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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:51:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:His post does not seem to make sense, however your post finally does. Quote:Oh, and just FYI, CCP is reactionary, for the most part. Someone has to report something before they anything about it. CCP is reactionary, therefore people must give them a reason to nerf something. How does one give them reason you might ask? By overuse of a ship/tactic/mechanic. Historically, how does CCP tend to react? They get over zealous with the nerfgun and we all suffer for it. Cause and effect Mr hardbear.
I believe the latest nerf I know of the boomerang ting was because a guy came on the forums and blabbed everything youd ever have to know about it then CCP ruled it an exploit. He did it with two or three other things in that same thread and eventually started crying cause CCP was calling all the neat things he figured out exploits.
THEN in subsequent forum posts he bragged how he found the exploit,, exploited its use and the like. Cant remember the guys' name but I havent seen him in a while. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
697
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:55:00 -
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You are ofc correct, and forum tears is a key venue for nerfage. I vividly remember Hardbears from all over EVE crying buckets of because of falcons.
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:14:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.. Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything. * eagerly awaits. Pssssst.... Those stats. Still waiting.
stats aside, I think the majority of people that ever played this game qualify by that definition... Otherwise in 9 years we wouldnt have that "hard core learning curve" reuptation thats been illuminated in this memorable picture http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3088/2335016192_6003c39c4c_z.jpg?zz=1
and a population higher than 300k total and 30-50k a day |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:17:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote: You are a sad and strange little man, and you have my pity. fix'd that for ya Buzz. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
698
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:59:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.. Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything. * eagerly awaits.
Ok well, it has been the better part of the day... I guess Tallian Saotome really was just pulling numbers out of his ass. TBH... I suspected.
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Talkietoaster
Orbital Manoeuvres in the Dark CompleXion Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:19:00 -
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Despite being a care bear deeply believing in the Sandbox (anti Hello Kitty Online) I tend to agree with the OP. "Why don't we just break out the lasers?" --á"An excellent plan, sir, with only two minor drawbacks. One, we don't have a power source for the lasers; and two, we don't have any lasers. " http://gplus.to/talkietoastereve |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:28:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.. Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything. * eagerly awaits. Ok well, it has been the better part of the day... I guess Tallian Saotome really was just pulling numbers out of his ass. TBH... I suspected.
like everyone else lol "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
193
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:04:00 -
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*Cooking up some popcorn*. |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:19:00 -
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Iamien wrote:*Cooking up some popcorn*.
Why the hell are you necroing old threads?
Get out, pubbie |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
82
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:19:00 -
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Iamien wrote:*Cooking up some popcorn*.
Necro all day erry day?
Like the GD doesn't have enough junk on the front page already. |
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Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:38:00 -
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Its kinda like a trip down memory lane... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
240
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:04:00 -
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I would like to publicly state here that my behavior of ganking miners is in no way shape or form associated with or connected to Hulkageddon V or any future iteration of it. I do it to terrorize those in highsec who feel that they can hide from those of us in low/nullsec and be variably safe.
I've never used any of the questionable tactics you've mentioned. Just good ole-fashioned scout, warp in, gank, warp pod out. So unless they put a big horn on the top of my Catalyst that blares in local "Ze gankerz are comingz! Ze gankers are comingz!" I doubt anything CCP can do will stop me whatsoever...short of making Concordokken 100% instant in any sec status system. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp
120
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:14:00 -
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Op must be seriously butt hurt. have you ever consider using a tank on your hulk? heaven forbid they start giggling like school girls seeing the gankers get popped when the hulk survives |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:59:00 -
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Xython wrote:You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts. And that's not even commenting on the bots -- when you have characters like that one guy with 23 accounts that he mines with 23x7, well, the numbers get a bit... skewed, don't they?
[citation needed]
Also... so what if that Hulk miner is the alt of a nullsec player? Does this somehow magically make their opinion on suicide ganking more positive? More importantly, does it make their subscription fee somehow worth less money than that of a "carebear?" CCP does not care if "half" of those hisec accounts are just alts of nullsec players. If 70% of their subscriptions are in hisec, then 70% of their real world, real money revenue comes from hisec.
If a null-sec player has an extra account that mines/trades in hisec, and they keep getting suicide ganked there, then they may well just cancel that extra account just like any other frustrated hisec miner/trader. That means revenue loss for CCP, and they're going to look at the loss of that extra subscription no differently than the loss of a lone subscription from a purely casual hisec player. It's all the same to their accounting department.
I'm not trying to propagandize either hisec or nullsec lifestyle here, merely pointing out some real-world economic realities that CCP most definitely place higher than anyone personal opinions on which play style is superior. They are a business, they want to make money, and thus if they have any sense they will side with the biggest slice of the pie. If you're "50%" alts are all in hisec, then they're part of that hisec pie no matter how much you love your nullsec mains. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.07.10 21:26:00 -
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Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back. High Sec Bears will never go to null. Hulks can fit no turrets or launchers so the comment about miners shooting back is idiotic. Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that. Any more game killing ideas ? Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships. I suppose in Highsec, where after years of bleating at CCP it's somewhat difficult to gank a ship (and even if you are in danger of being ganked, your illegal bot program auto detects this and warps you off) that's true, but in real EVE anyone going it solo like that had better be watching local like a goddaamned hawk or get used to losing ships every few hours. And you know what: I never quite agreed with the idea of killing "the game," but the more I realize that you guys are playing something other than EVE and trying to force the rest of us to play along, the more eager I am to kill YOUR game.
lol so hard at this foolish statement! I do not mine in a hulk, but it would not matter if I did. I have never seen a hulk die to a gank attack in high sec. And I have seen lots of hulks mine right along side of me. Heck I have even watched destroyers warp in and start mining right along side of the hulks. lol!
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Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.07.10 21:29:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:If a null-sec player has an extra account that mines/trades in hisec, and they keep getting suicide ganked there, then they may well just cancel that extra account just like any other frustrated hisec miner/trader. .
Thing is a nullsec player (usually) spends enough brain power to figure out how to make the inevitable suicide gank as unlikely as possible, thus maximizing his profits thanks to lower volume of minerals sold by high sec players that don't want to spend said certain amount of time thinking about the problem. And imho the majority of the second group of miners are either bots or very lazy macro miners. At least I hope so for the sake of the future of humanity. |
Apostate Lucius
The Plebian Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.07.10 23:07:00 -
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Haquer wrote: Get out, pubbie
B-b-b-but, I just got here... Let Caesar never forget, though he may rule with the authority of the gods, he is allowed to rule by the whim of the people. |
Russell Casey
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2012.07.11 00:04:00 -
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Give these people a gun, tell them it'll make free isk and they'll shoot themselves in the foot every time. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
123
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:11:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: they were easy to look past until they were used in excess.
Carebears will say that about the T2 fitted catalysts.
Gankers will say that about AFK hulks in highsec.
What you are doing wrong is implicitly comparing a true sandbox effect to an exploit. Explain "excess" and how you think there is more suicide ganking than, say, people AFK'ing mining in belts. Or running missions.
The fact player actions can have an effect on market prices is what keeps the sandbox running... And EVE is all about the sandbox.
Most highsec miners I know are happy about hulkaggendon since they are making a higher profit while dodging gankers. Those that whine always have had their arguments narrowed down to the fact they simply don't want to fit a proper tank. Either that or they are stealth bots/circular argument trolls. |
stoicfaux
1231
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:16:00 -
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Color me silly, but isn't the "backlash" to Hulkageddon simply the tiericide of the mining ships scheduled for the winter expansion? Lowered skill requirements plus options for a BS level tank and/or improved AFK mining equals anti-suicide-ganking-miners, high-sec buff, no?
On the down (or up depending on your viewpoint) side, lowering the skill requirements and easier mining should translate into mineral price drops.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:44:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Color me silly, but isn't the "backlash" to Hulkageddon simply the tiericide of the mining ships scheduled for the winter expansion? Lowered skill requirements plus options for a BS level tank and/or improved AFK mining equals anti-suicide-ganking-miners, high-sec buff, no?
On the down (or up depending on your viewpoint) side, lowering the skill requirements and easier mining should translate into mineral price drops.
Inferno did such a good job of buffing industry like everyone said it would that they want to do it again. [sic] |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
362
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:54:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Xython wrote:You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts. And that's not even commenting on the bots -- when you have characters like that one guy with 23 accounts that he mines with 23x7, well, the numbers get a bit... skewed, don't they? [citation needed] Also... so what if that Hulk miner is the alt of a nullsec player? Does this somehow magically make their opinion on suicide ganking more positive? More importantly, does it make their subscription fee somehow worth less money than that of a "carebear?" CCP does not care if "half" of those hisec accounts are just alts of nullsec players. If 70% of their subscriptions are in hisec, then 70% of their real world, real money revenue comes from hisec.
That was the percentage of Characters, not accounts or players were in HS at the time of that snapshot.
According to the snapshot, there were 611k Characters in HS, 50k in LS, 90k in Null, and 20k in WH space. Now, EvE does not have 780k accounts, so clearly, the snapshot is not representative of accounts.
(By the way, the QEN Snapshot also showed 37k Characters in Jita)
Unless CCP does a Census, asking people where they consider their home to be and get good, high quality results, the distribution of players is essentially unknowable.
PS: Why would someone in 0.0 have a HS Mining alt? Mining's pretty good in 0.0 -RubyPorto
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PompousDour
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.07.11 04:36:00 -
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Thread! From the depths of Hell, I summon Thee! |
Tesal
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:34:00 -
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I think ganking is a problem when more people quit because of it than sub because of it. Its a simple cost benefit analysis, ergo if suicide gankers cause too many miners to quit they will get nerfed. There are currently 13k kills on the leader board. with 7k of them being exhumers. The junior league already has 5.7k kills on it, those being newbs for the most part who can't afford or aren't skilled enough to fly an exhumer. Based on the numbers, it seems to definitely be getting out of hand. http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/
Some people in this thread are also a bit confused about the length of Hulkageddon this year. Goons are funding it indefinitely to the tune of 100m isk per 10 exhumers killed. Indefinitely as in never ending. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1627
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:39:00 -
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Tesal wrote:I think ganking is a problem when more people quit because of it than sub because of it. Its a simple cost benefit analysis, ergo if suicide gankers cause too many miners to quit they will get nerfed. There are currently 13k kills on the leader board. with 7k of them being exhumers. The junior league already has 5.7k kills on it, those being newbs for the most part who can't afford or aren't skilled enough to fly an exhumer. Based on the numbers, it seems to definitely be getting out of hand. http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/Some people in this thread are also a bit confused about the length of Hulkageddon this year. Goons are funding it indefinitely to the tune of 100m isk per 10 exhumers killed. Indefinitely as in never ending.
M0o caused more damage yet EVE continued to grow. EVE thrives on this stuff. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:14:00 -
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All the tools you need to stop us are in the game. So far, crying and empty threats haven't worked. Time to try something new. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1174
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:20:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:All the tools you need to stop us are in the game. So far, crying and empty threats haven't worked. Time to try something new. No, they just need to keep pushing that string, it'll pay off ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
362
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tesal wrote:I think ganking is a problem when more people quit because of it than sub because of it. Its a simple cost benefit analysis, ergo if suicide gankers cause too many miners to quit they will get nerfed. There are currently 13k kills on the leader board. with 7k of them being exhumers. The junior league already has 5.7k kills on it, those being newbs for the most part who can't afford or aren't skilled enough to fly an exhumer. Based on the numbers, it seems to definitely be getting out of hand. http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/Some people in this thread are also a bit confused about the length of Hulkageddon this year. Goons are funding it indefinitely to the tune of 100m isk per 10 exhumers killed. Indefinitely as in never ending. M0o caused more damage yet EVE continued to grow. EVE thrives on this stuff.
And Zombies did more concentrated damage than Burn Jita for much cheaper, masters of efficiency, those recycled corpses are. -RubyPorto
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
238
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:16:00 -
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Burn them all! Rifters will be the only affordable ship in Eve in no time. Besides rookie ships of course. EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1174
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Posted - 2012.07.11 09:04:00 -
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Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Burn them all! Rifters will be the only affordable ship in Eve in no time. Besides rookie ships of course. Rifers <3
Take you seen the T2 blaster fitted Ibis? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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