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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
670
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Posted - 2012.04.28 22:42:00 -
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It's fun kids, but I would like to present this friendly public service announcement... you are getting close to over doing it. What is my reasoning you ask so politely? A month of Hulkageddon following a burn Jita event may be full of lulz, but it is starting to catch on everywhere. CCP is taking notice, and when CCP takes notice they can easily decide to notice that a certain mechanic/tactic/shipclass is being used to often, and to too great effect. Whether you agree with them or not.
I would prefer if Hulkageddon stays around, just like I would prefer to be flying a Nano'd HAC right now that defies all weapon tracking. But alas, I fear that by the end of this month all of the delicious tears that you crave will force the issue to be addressed by CCP in the following months.
You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess.
As these events progress and come into their own, it is all to easy to take it somewhere that could have unintended results for you. I don't know what the future holds, but I do know one thing... when CCP notices something big in game... we all tend to suffer a little bit from the backlash. It's on the news, it's on the forums and it is central to the highly publicized thingy that shall go unnamed. All of you have managed to troll and lol'd suicide ganking into the limelight like never before, and if history can be our teacher, to make an obvious meme, this is probably going to end badly. Or at the very least, not the way all of you want it to.
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T' Elk
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
434
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Posted - 2012.04.28 22:46:00 -
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What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno Came. It was meh. // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
670
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Posted - 2012.04.28 22:47:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected.
Ah I see... maybe you're new to eve then. * Doesn't bother to check your history.
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
829
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Posted - 2012.04.28 22:53:00 -
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So what exactly are you saying? We should tone down the Jita burning and Hulkaggedon to a diet version?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
15
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Posted - 2012.04.28 22:58:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
No offense meant, and I know you were being humorous... but... for those who may suffer from or have family members who suffer from one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders.. it isn't funny. In fact, it can be a very difficult thing to deal with.
~Z In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1101
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Posted - 2012.04.28 22:59:00 -
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Zora'e wrote:T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutismNo offense meant, and I know you were being humorous... but... for those who may suffer from or have family members who suffer from one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders.. it isn't funny. In fact, it can be a very difficult thing to deal with. ~Z
Sup. Autistic cousin. OP is damaged. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
671
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:00:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:So what exactly are you saying? We should tone down the Jita burning and Hulkaggedon to a diet version?
TBH, sort of... yes To be frank. I know it won't happen or anything, but the reality of what is liable to transpire after this month is looming IMO.
If people keep upping the bar like this, It is more or less inevitable isn't it?
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Zora'e
Nasty Pope
16
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:05:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Zora'e wrote:T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutismNo offense meant, and I know you were being humorous... but... for those who may suffer from or have family members who suffer from one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders.. it isn't funny. In fact, it can be a very difficult thing to deal with. ~Z Sup. Autistic cousin. OP is damaged.
My 1/2 Brother here. In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
T' Elk
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
436
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:10:00 -
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Zora'e wrote:T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutismNo offense meant, and I know you were being humorous... but... for those who may suffer from or have family members who suffer from one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders.. it isn't funny. In fact, it can be a very difficult thing to deal with. ~Z I don't actually give a ****. I know you meant well, but my soul just cannot be saved.
~T
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ // Inferno Came. It was meh. // The Beard is Back, Ladies and Gents! |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
202
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:13:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:Zora'e wrote:T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutismNo offense meant, and I know you were being humorous... but... for those who may suffer from or have family members who suffer from one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders.. it isn't funny. In fact, it can be a very difficult thing to deal with. ~Z I don't actually give a ****. I know you meant well, but my soul just cannot be saved. ~T He has been playing eve for quite a bit of time. I doubt he cares, and when he isn't trolling. He is usually not giving a ****. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Vetorept Fera
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
53
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:14:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:So what exactly are you saying? We should tone down the Jita burning and Hulkaggedon to a diet version?
I think what he's saying is: nerf nano'd untrackable HAC's! In pace requiescat |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
16
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:15:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:Zora'e wrote:T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutismNo offense meant, and I know you were being humorous... but... for those who may suffer from or have family members who suffer from one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders.. it isn't funny. In fact, it can be a very difficult thing to deal with. ~Z I don't actually give a ****. I know you meant well, but my soul just cannot be saved. ~T Fair enough. In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
54
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:25:00 -
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I think OP is saying that GSF is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.
Or maybe not.
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Actually I agree there could be a shoe drop as the blood flow continues unabated. CCP likes the sandbox but they also like balance.
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
49
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:31:00 -
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Sweet jesus, Captain Butthurt strikes again. Are you still harping on about all this? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:33:00 -
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I kinda think that the massive orgy of griefing and destruction we are engaging in is a test to see if CCP is still the company we all grew to love over the years, or a new, carebear friendly group who will nerf things like this.
I hope I don't have to find a new game because they fail the test, because EVE as it has been is awesome, tho lately they have been violating the core principle of the sandbox that this game used to be about. Namely, that people should be getting killed, and things like the boomerang thing were not exploits, but clever uses of the game. I remember an old thread about a similar issue, and when the complainers petitioned it, the GM flat out said that as long as the game allowed it, it could be used(obvious bugs excepted) as just an intelligent use of the mechanics.
Sad that it has changed as much as it has, but if it continues this trend it will not be the game I signed up to play all those years ago. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
671
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:40:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Sweet jesus, Captain Butthurt strikes again. Are you still harping on about all this? EDIT: I just realised why you are so butthurt over all this Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess. You rely on the loopholes and flaws in the game don't you? Scams, little "tricks" that few people know about? And then when the Goons or people like them, bring these things to CCP's attention and they get removed, well that just totally messes up your "fun" doesn't it? If it weren't for them old nasty Goons, you could keep using those little known exploits and a**hole tactics in order to keep feeling superior. Well well well, poor little Captain Butthurt really is hurting now isn't he. And that is the reason for all your anti-goon sentiment. You are a sad and lonely little man, and you have my pity.
U seem mad about something? Can you be more clear?
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
5
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:45:00 -
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While I'm appreciating humor, I still should ask you stay on topic. This thread hadn't been touched at all, but autistic disorders clearly aren't related to the theme (and honestly, it isn't good thing to joke about). ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
830
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:51:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:I think OP is saying that GSF is overpowered and needs to be nerfed.
More like, "Hey guys, some things are happening and I have an opinion on it!" Sadly for him; no one cares about it.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
49
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Posted - 2012.04.28 23:53:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Sweet jesus, Captain Butthurt strikes again. Are you still harping on about all this? EDIT: I just realised why you are so butthurt over all this Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess. You rely on the loopholes and flaws in the game don't you? Scams, little "tricks" that few people know about? And then when the Goons or people like them, bring these things to CCP's attention and they get removed, well that just totally messes up your "fun" doesn't it? If it weren't for them old nasty Goons, you could keep using those little known exploits and a**hole tactics in order to keep feeling superior. Well well well, poor little Captain Butthurt really is hurting now isn't he. And that is the reason for all your anti-goon sentiment. You are a sad and lonely little man, and you have my pity. U seem mad about something? Can you be more clear?
You appear to have confused being mad, with being highly amused. I am laughing my ass off at you. Not with you, but AT you. |
Brobocop McBro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:00:00 -
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I will single handedly avenge Goons for every miner killed during Hulkageddon. They should not be able to run rampant like this.
What they fail to realized is that I am who CCP cares about. I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them. I don't have any legs anymore so this game is really important to me and my govt actually pays for my gaming lol I have hulkageddon and I will complain if I am not able to punish them in game until they get banned instead.
They made this game for me not you guys. Don't ruin this for me please. |
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Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:03:00 -
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You didn't read the recent article from Eurogamer.net didn't you?
CCP has officially condoned the goonswarm attempt to destroy the EVE economy by giving the campaign it's blessing.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-04-27-ccp-players-attempt-to-destroy-eve-online-economy-is-f-ing-brilliant Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Brobocop McBro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:06:00 -
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I repeat
"What they fail to realized is that I am who CCP cares about. I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them. I don't have any legs anymore"
In the end I will win. I literally have nothing else to do. |
Jon Taggart
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:06:00 -
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Isn't that what happened to the War Dec mechanics when the Privateers were in full swing? It was used in excess to the point CCP took notice and changed it?
I wouldn't say tone it down though. Keep that fire burning and burning hot. |
TWHC Assistant
25
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:07:00 -
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Ganking is beginning to wear EVE out like the sexual organ of a masturbating teenager. The old is repeating itself and what once was great fun is becoming an act of desperation. Nothing is going to be as good as the first orgasm, but one can try a million times before one realizes it. |
Brobocop McBro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:11:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Ganking is beginning to wear EVE out like the sexual organ of a masturbating teenager. The old is repeating itself and what once was great fun is becoming an act of desperation. Nothing is going to be as good as the first orgasm, but one can try a million times before one realizes it.
Oh god I wish I still had an organ. I haven't masturbated in 6 years. I still remember it fondly though. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
517
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:13:00 -
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Brobocop McBro wrote:I repeat
"What they fail to realized is that I am who CCP cares about. I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them. I don't have any legs anymore"
In the end I will win. I literally have nothing else to do. Yes, the plex used for plexing never resulted in CCP getting money because the plex came from ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
TWHC Assistant
25
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:25:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Yes, the plex used for plexing never resulted in CCP getting money because the plex came from ...
The PLEX comes from players who cannot play the game but have to buy ISKs with money, while others are not able to pay a few dollars per month for a game, because they cannot care to have an income or who they give their ISKs to when they buy PLEX. It does not matter how you pay for the game, but it does matter what attitude you bring into it.
I cannot say that EVE has gotten worse than the real life already is. It is only getting there and you can find rich and powerful people as well as homeless addicts, with the majority of people living in boxes made of ticky tacky. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1421
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:27:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Zora'e wrote:T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutismNo offense meant, and I know you were being humorous... but... for those who may suffer from or have family members who suffer from one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders.. it isn't funny. In fact, it can be a very difficult thing to deal with. ~Z Sup. Autistic cousin. OP is damaged.
I have ass burgers.
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Bane Necran
387
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:31:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected.
Nothing he said is typical of autistic people, but amusingly, your reaction is. That brittle rage, the bitter rubble, take your time and bring the trouble. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
142
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:37:00 -
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Original post, I didn't see any butthurt in the comment. Most likely the main ships being used are his personal favs, so ccp looks at data, says this is op and we get ninja nerfed or something is all is my guess. Maybe projectiles lose some alpha? |
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Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
68
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Posted - 2012.04.29 00:46:00 -
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When all is said and done, the null-bots banned faster than produced, the pirates griefers and goons will cry " WE NEED ORE! WHY ARE SHIPS SO COSTLY? MIGHT WE HAVE SOME ORE AS WELL?" The carebears who have long stockpiled will hop in their battleships, fire their weapons and say "**** you"
tl;dr don't overdo it. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
368
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Posted - 2012.04.29 01:00:00 -
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Anybody that knows me will attest I have gone on record many times stating that insurance after ganks was dumb (and hey we got that fixed) and that exhumers do not really have sufficient defenses.
so no skin off my back :) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
517
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Posted - 2012.04.29 01:06:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:When all is said and done, the null-bots banned faster than produced, the pirates griefers and goons will cry " WE NEED ORE! WHY ARE SHIPS SO COSTLY? MIGHT WE HAVE SOME ORE AS WELL?" The carebears who have long stockpiled will hop in their battleships, fire their weapons and say "**** you"
tl;dr don't overdo it. Those abaddons on the jita undock were delicious killmails.
Want more. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Hann Sol00
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 01:35:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Anybody that knows me will attest I have gone on record many times stating that insurance after ganks was dumb (and hey we got that fixed) and that exhumers do not really have sufficient defenses.
so no skin off my back :)
I wonder if this event you are hosting is really because you want to make the game more fun, you know for the lols. I remember once you making fun of the layouts that ccp did to recoup the losses in 2011, so what are you are you really, an passionate gamer with a good idea (hulkwhatever) or you donGÇÖt give a **** about this game anymore. Now you are the Mitten sidekick and is really hard to say if you are influenced by the goon mentality and decided that making miners and people related to industry go away is a good thing. Is this extension of your event (from a week to a month) your tool to deliver your revenge to ccp because you got banned (it applies to the Mitanni as well).
I know, I know this event was plan before the Mitanni incident, but I am not sure is you really hate eve or you just want to make it more fun.
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Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
26
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Posted - 2012.04.29 01:36:00 -
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Soooo exploits are good? The whole reason GS takes advantage of and uses the exploits so much is to force CCP to change things. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
368
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Posted - 2012.04.29 01:53:00 -
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Hann Sol00 wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Anybody that knows me will attest I have gone on record many times stating that insurance after ganks was dumb (and hey we got that fixed) and that exhumers do not really have sufficient defenses.
so no skin off my back :) I wonder if this event you are hosting is really because you want to make the game more fun, you know for the lols. I remember once you making fun of the layouts that ccp did to recoup the losses in 2011, so what are you are you really, an passionate gamer with a good idea (hulkwhatever) or you donGÇÖt give a **** about this game anymore. Now you are the Mitten sidekick and is really hard to say if you are influenced by the goon mentality and decided that making miners and people related to industry go away is a good thing. Is this extension of your event (from a week to a month) your tool to deliver your revenge to ccp because you got banned (it applies to the Mitanni as well). I know, I know this event was plan before the Mitanni incident, but I am not sure is you really hate eve or you just want to make it more fun.
I think you overthink things. I love EVE, I get really mad when CCP does things to threaten my hobby, and I like causing mayhem, because I am a pirate.
And since mittens' goals and mine coincided this time, it seemed logical to work together on this occasion. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:01:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:It's fun kids, but I would like to present this friendly public service announcement... you are getting close to over doing it. What is my reasoning you ask so politely? A month of Hulkageddon following a burn Jita event may be full of lulz, but it is starting to catch on everywhere. CCP is taking notice, and when CCP takes notice they can easily decide to notice that a certain mechanic/tactic/shipclass is being used to often, and to too great effect. Whether you agree with them or not.
I would prefer if Hulkageddon stays around, just like I would prefer to be flying a Nano'd HAC right now that defies all weapon tracking. But alas, I fear that by the end of this month all of the delicious tears that you crave will force the issue to be addressed by CCP in the following months.
You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess.
As these events progress and come into their own, it is all to easy to take it somewhere that could have unintended results for you. I don't know what the future holds, but I do know one thing... when CCP notices something big in game... we all tend to suffer a little bit from the backlash. It's on the news, it's on the forums and it is central to the highly publicized thingy that shall go unnamed. All of you have managed to troll and lol'd suicide ganking into the limelight like never before, and if history can be our teacher, to make an obvious meme, this is probably going to end badly. Or at the very least, not the way all of you want it to.
not untrue actually
T' Elk wrote:What in the actual **** is wrong with you? Autism detected. troll detected your point?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
175
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:08:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:When all is said and done, the null-bots banned faster than produced, the pirates griefers and goons will cry " WE NEED ORE! WHY ARE SHIPS SO COSTLY? MIGHT WE HAVE SOME ORE AS WELL?" The carebears who have long stockpiled will hop in their battleships, fire their weapons and say "**** you"
tl;dr don't overdo it.
No, they really won't. While we suck on space pebbles in high sec, they mine whole moons in null. They're not running out of money any time soon, and they have far more than any carebear. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
HARD STEEL
Caldari Capital Construction Company
7
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:09:00 -
[39] - Quote
Dude, why don't YOU do something about it? Get all your friends together and make a change if you're that butt hurt about this.
ONLY THE HARD.-á ONLY THE STRONG. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
175
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:10:00 -
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Momoyo wrote:Soooo exploits are good? The whole reason GS takes advantage of and uses the exploits so much is to force CCP to change things.
Hey, now, stop that. We're not here to let a long history of helping the game get in the way of the narrative carebears like to spin. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
262
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:13:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jayrendo Karr wrote:When all is said and done, the null-bots banned faster than produced, the pirates griefers and goons will cry " WE NEED ORE! WHY ARE SHIPS SO COSTLY? MIGHT WE HAVE SOME ORE AS WELL?" The carebears who have long stockpiled will hop in their battleships, fire their weapons and say "**** you"
tl;dr don't overdo it. Those abaddons on the jita undock were delicious killmails. Want more.
Confirming that we do not have asteroids in nullsec. And they are definitely not massive. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:14:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: I would prefer if Hulkageddon stays around
You can't fool me! You're a spy sent from the industry forum aren't you? I have ways of making you talk. *pulls out cattle prod* |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
210
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:14:00 -
[43] - Quote
Quote:"I tell you what, it's going to be f***ing brilliant," Jon Lander, senior producer of Eve Online, told Eurogamer this morning. "Absolutely brilliant.
Quote:"Last night I got an email - Jita was at 2100. Time dilation kicked in at 15 per cent. And there were people just watching the sh*t that was going down. It was brilliant. It was absolutely great."
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg insisted that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online stand out from other games, and that it's CCP's duty to sit back and watch.
Yeah man sure sounds like they don't like us doing this. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:22:00 -
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ISD LoneLynx wrote:While I do appreciate humor, I still should ask you stay on topic. This thread hadn't been touched at all, but autistic disorders clearly aren't related to the theme (and honestly, it isn't good thing to joke about).
Autistic disorders, such as aspergers, are one of the funnier things to joke about actually. Have you actually seen people wuth aspergers function? It's p funny stuff.
If you opened your heart to this realization you would be able to soak in the glory that is within this humor. |
Snooood
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:26:00 -
[45] - Quote
Don't play EVE guys, CCP might nerf it! |
Anya Klibor
Malum Crusis
72
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:28:00 -
[46] - Quote
Snooood wrote:Don't play EVE guys, CCP might nerf it!
I ******* KNEW THAT WAS THEIR PLAN ALL ALONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/tinfoil_hat |
DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:43:00 -
[47] - Quote
Tens of thousands of ships all destroyed in highsec without wardec and all done while having no discernible effect to the attackers as there still making profit from it.
Yup Broken. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
178
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:46:00 -
[48] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:Tens of thousands of ships all destroyed in highsec without wardec and all done while having no discernible effect to the attackers as there still making profit from it.
Yup Broken.
It's working exactly the way it's supposed to. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:50:00 -
[49] - Quote
Uh huh and ccp are known for leaving things unchanged when it involves highsec and mass explosions.
Lot of people who don't know there precious sandbox's history. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
493
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:51:00 -
[50] - Quote
If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game. |
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Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
22
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:52:00 -
[51] - Quote
I think it would be quite cunty of CCP to nerf something because it is used excessively because they do nothing about things that are never used. There are metric **** tons of ships never used because they are worthless. So, CCP, if you want to put time in to something put it in to bettering the unused instead of screwing the used. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
671
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:54:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ah look, I have once again sparked an intelligent debate!
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DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.29 02:54:00 -
[53] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game.
Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.
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Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:02:00 -
[54] - Quote
So lets assume CCP nerfs tornado, we will just gank in ravens or whatever else gives us the best bang for a buck. How is this any different, gank is a gank don't matter how it's done. 200 thrasher fleet have taken down a Charon today http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13214225 so we nerf thrashers, rifters, what else? |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
179
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:04:00 -
[55] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game. Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox.
Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
517
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:07:00 -
[56] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day. You... don't like the mining ops?
Report to the highsec reeducation camp immediately. (Jita ) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:09:00 -
[57] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game. Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox. Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day.
Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.
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Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
179
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:14:00 -
[58] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game. Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox. Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day. Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.
NOFUNALLOWED.JPG
Get over yourself. It's a fun contest that came with a full month's warning. The mechanic has been in the game for years, as has Hulkaggedon because Concord doesn;t even give a **** in the lore, let alone mechanics. CCP does not want to remove suicide ganking from the game because it amounts to space vandalism, and that is a thing that PIRATES DO. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
673
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:16:00 -
[59] - Quote
FYI, the easiest nerf to suicide ganking would have nothing to do with nerfing Alpha or boosting Hulk tanks. It would be about how concord deals with -5 sec status pilots and below. Concord could in theory prevent ships of >- 5 pilots from entering warp after boarding and/or they could immediately neut/ECM after boarding, and what are you going to do then? If they really want to **** on you they could make you grind more sec for each gank, by increasing the sec hit as well.
You people are not thinking like CCP might. They don't have to change any ship to seriously nerf ganking.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1315
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:16:00 -
[60] - Quote
I agree with the OP.
Look at the past.
Stacking MWDs. Fun until everyone started doing it = nerf bat
Ghost training. Not a problem until everyone started doing it = nerf bat
Nano HACs. A real hoot until everyone started doing it = nerf bat
And on and on and on.
So where are we now?
Ganking miners. YEE HAA! until everyone started doing it = ???
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
4
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:19:00 -
[61] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game. Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox. Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day. Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.
You don't mention the best in EvE, player events like Hulkageddon? Thats a pitty, you are not helping EvE grow then. |
DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:21:00 -
[62] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game. Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox. Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day. Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance. NOFUNALLOWED.JPG Get over yourself. It's a fun contest that came with a full month's warning. The mechanic has been in the game for years, as has Hulkaggedon because Concord doesn;t even give a **** in the lore, let alone mechanics. CCP does not want to remove suicide ganking from the game because it amounts to space vandalism, and that is a thing that PIRATES DO.
So at eve uni they don't teach you how to read a post.. go on tell me where exactly I said they need to remove suicide ganking or fun.
As pointed out every time mass explosions beyond wardecs have occured in highsec CCP have responded, without exception. Hulkageddon is hardly the mass destruction it's made out to be, but all the other events of late will be stacked on top of its numbers due to proximity.
Your from EVE Uni, act like you've had an education in EVE history please. CCP responds to these events and thats why EVE is successful, not because they let it just race away from them uncontrolled.
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Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
179
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:23:00 -
[63] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I agree with the OP. Look at the past. Stacking MWDs. Fun until everyone started doing it = nerf bat Ghost training. Not a problem until everyone started doing it = nerf bat Nano HACs. A real hoot until everyone started doing it = nerf bat And on and on and on. So where are we now? Ganking miners. YEE HAA! until everyone started doing it = ??? Mr Epeen
This is Hulkaggedon V. Protip: That V isn't a letter.
People have been ganking miners just like this for a very long time, in very, very large numbers, "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
If suicide ganking is your only fun in EVE... oh dear. Capital ship and t3 pilots cry best. |
Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
179
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:[ So at eve uni they don't teach you how to read a post.. go on tell me where exactly I said they need to remove suicide ganking or fun.
As pointed out every time mass explosions beyond wardecs have occured in highsec CCP have responded, without exception. Hulkageddon is hardly the mass destruction it's made out to be, but all the other events of late will be stacked on top of its numbers due to proximity.
Your from EVE Uni, act like you've had an education in EVE history please. CCP responds to these events and thats why EVE is successful, not because they let it just race away from them uncontrolled.
CCP responds when there's an issue. They called Burn Jita '******* Brilliant.' I doubt they'll suddenly get mad about Hulkaggeddon after five years. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:28:00 -
[66] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:[ So at eve uni they don't teach you how to read a post.. go on tell me where exactly I said they need to remove suicide ganking or fun.
As pointed out every time mass explosions beyond wardecs have occured in highsec CCP have responded, without exception. Hulkageddon is hardly the mass destruction it's made out to be, but all the other events of late will be stacked on top of its numbers due to proximity.
Your from EVE Uni, act like you've had an education in EVE history please. CCP responds to these events and thats why EVE is successful, not because they let it just race away from them uncontrolled.
CCP responds when there's an issue. They called Burn Jita '******* Brilliant.' I doubt they'll suddenly get mad about Hulkaggeddon after five years.
Yeah and "Greed is good" and ambulation was quoted as the same... oh look it affected subs they withdrew there stance and changed it... again learn EVE history.
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Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
179
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:33:00 -
[67] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:[ So at eve uni they don't teach you how to read a post.. go on tell me where exactly I said they need to remove suicide ganking or fun.
As pointed out every time mass explosions beyond wardecs have occured in highsec CCP have responded, without exception. Hulkageddon is hardly the mass destruction it's made out to be, but all the other events of late will be stacked on top of its numbers due to proximity.
Your from EVE Uni, act like you've had an education in EVE history please. CCP responds to these events and thats why EVE is successful, not because they let it just race away from them uncontrolled.
CCP responds when there's an issue. They called Burn Jita '******* Brilliant.' I doubt they'll suddenly get mad about Hulkaggeddon after five years. Yeah and "Greed is good" and ambulation was quoted as the same... oh look it affected subs they withdrew there stance and changed it... again learn EVE history.
Whatever, chief. They'll lose far, far more subs attacking piracy than they will letting a handful of mining ships get popped because they were too stupid to watch local. Eve has always been a game about murderous space pirates; you'll just have to learn to deal with it. It's one month where mining is marginally more dangerous. The bill is being paid by a third party with in game money using in game means. If they try to take it down, they'll have to rework the whole system and alienate far more people than they'll please. This string of in-game, player reated events has generated far more interest in the game than the generic ongoing wars of the past few years combined. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:48:00 -
[68] - Quote
But it isn't ALL about murderous space pirates... I mean what sort of murderous space pirates involve themselves in nearly a decade of thoughtful teaching at I dunno some kind of Space university?
And what kind of murderous space pirates would have nothing to do with murderous space pirate activites when there engaged in there own non (mostly non) murderous activites all throughout the game area's where it is not just allowed but encouraged?
Stop trying to put my argument into your words haven't you noticed yet it doesn't work.
OP made a point that after all the recent activity he feels that CCP will make changes, I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with him because that is EXACTLY what CCP have done every time highsec gets messed around with on such a scale (again Hulkageddon itself I don't class as that big a deal) and why wouldn't ccp make changes like they have every other time as EVE is constantly growing and improving with them making such changes.
Your argument is stop doing what works CCP leave it all as it is. EVE is dynamic in that it DOES change all the time. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
210
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:02:00 -
[69] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game. Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox. Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day. Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.
Would you like to tell me how we're abusing game mechanics? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:08:00 -
[70] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.
You know, the first time I heard about EVE, it was back in 2006, and a couple co-workers were talking about how one of them got hotdropped by a pirate titan while he was in a cruiser. As he told me about it, I thought 'Holy hell! This game sound crazy! I gotta check this out.' Now that I know the game, I think he was full of it, but those things do happen nowadays, and things like burn jita and hulkageddon are similar in nature.
Yesterday, I was sitting in the chat room for one of the burn jita live streams, and I saw at least 10 21 day trials handed out in the space of an hour because of burn jita. That was in one chat room that never appeared to break 30 people, and I know there were more. Do you think CCP is upset by this? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Xander Riggs
EVE University Ivy League
180
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:14:00 -
[71] - Quote
DU1 -Sia wrote:But it isn't ALL about murderous space pirates... I mean what sort of murderous space pirates involve themselves in nearly a decade of thoughtful teaching at I dunno some kind of Space university?
And what kind of murderous space pirates would have nothing to do with murderous space pirate activites when there engaged in there own non (mostly non) murderous activites all throughout the game area's where it is not just allowed but encouraged?
Stop trying to put my argument into your words haven't you noticed yet it doesn't work.
OP made a point that after all the recent activity he feels that CCP will make changes, I'm wholeheartedly agreeing with him because that is EXACTLY what CCP have done every time highsec gets messed around with on such a scale (again Hulkageddon itself I don't class as that big a deal) and why wouldn't ccp make changes like they have every other time as EVE is constantly growing and improving with them making such changes.
Your argument is stop doing what works CCP leave it all as it is. EVE is dynamic in that it DOES change all the time.
No, my argument is to fix what's actually broken. High sec ganking is not broken. Burn jita is a whopping two day event. Hulkaggedon only lasts a month. Events like these drum up interest in the game, drive ship and module purchases and production, and are generally well recieved by the players.
Also, stop bringing up Eve University like its somehow relevant. Eve Uni is impartial, and many, many of its members go on to become pirates themselves. The idea that you can't help new players while at the same time accepting the game for what it is is downright pants-on-head ********. "No, sorry, you think piracy should be allowed. You're not allowed to learn about wormholes." "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:14:00 -
[72] - Quote
you didnt read the OP did you
Hulkageddon not the Goon temper tantrum
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:20:00 -
[73] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:
People have been ganking miners just like this for a very long time, in very, very large numbers,
in very small numbers actually... The Goon temper tantrum in Jita has killed more ships total (ganker and gank um ee) in two days now than the last hulkageddon did in a week. The more HaG happens the less of an impact it has cause anyone other than bots (and me) are smart enough to not mine during it (Ive mined during it the past 5 times in high sec in an untanked hulk and Ive never even been attacked). The more often it happens the more likely miners are to dock up during it but stockpile minerals beforehand so theres really no upswing even in the price.
Hey Goons, you wanna make a rael impact on the game? Hulkageddon year. "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
184
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:20:00 -
[74] - Quote
Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
210
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:38:00 -
[75] - Quote
corestwo wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game. Exactly, as so many keep saying EVE has overall grown consistently over the years, after ccp consistently reinforces it's rules and plug exploits and abuse of there sandbox. Eve has grown over the years because of thingsl ike Hulkageddon. When you tell people about the joys of Eve, you sure as **** don't tell them about staring at an asteroid for three hours or running 'Rogue Drone Harassment' 14 times a day. Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance. Would you like to tell me how we're abusing game mechanics?
I'm still waiting.
I suspect I'll be waiting for quite some time because no abuse of game mechanics occurred today. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1856
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:54:00 -
[76] - Quote
GAWD, the ganker EPEEN is swinging large in this thread.
OP is correct and like my dad always said - better get it while the getting is good cuz when it's gone, there ain't no more. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.04.29 06:14:00 -
[77] - Quote
Vaal Erit wrote:Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do.
huh I missed some patchnotes then, other than the insurance nerf that every suicide ganker says didnt matter what all are you talking about? Cause you got tier 3 BCs basically built for suicide ganking, and the insurance thing (that, again everyone has said doesnt matter at all) is the only negative thing I can think of off hand
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.04.29 06:23:00 -
[78] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:If CCP make bad game design choices in response to players doing the kind of thing that makes EVE great then the people who legitimately suffer as a consequence will be the CCP employees who find themselves out of work because their game failed and their company went bust.
The players will just go and play a better game.
Better game? They might find a different game, but I don't think there's a true competitor to EVE on EVE's level at this time. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
810
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Posted - 2012.04.29 06:31:00 -
[79] - Quote
Not advocating a specific side of the discussion here, but you guys may want to remember this. Which slice of this pie do you think it's in CCP's best interests to appeal to, if they have no choice but to do it at the expense of other slices? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
850
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Posted - 2012.04.29 06:33:00 -
[80] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense. What is this about?
The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.29 07:26:00 -
[81] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do. huh I missed some patchnotes then, other than the insurance nerf that every suicide ganker says didnt matter what all are you talking about? Cause you got tier 3 BCs basically built for suicide ganking, and the insurance thing (that, again everyone has said doesnt matter at all) is the only negative thing I can think of off hand Well, there are the constant upgrades to CONCORD response time, and changing things the the boomerang maneuver(which wasn't an exploit when I heard about it petitioned years ago, it was 'intelligent use of game mechanics' as long as you eventually died to CONCORD), to name a couple. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
520
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Posted - 2012.04.29 07:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Well, there are the constant upgrades to CONCORD response time, and changing things the the boomerang maneuver(which wasn't an exploit when I heard about it petitioned years ago, it was 'intelligent use of game mechanics' as long as you eventually died to CONCORD), to name a couple. Let's all focus our efforts on alphastrike ganking, and see what happens.
It will definitely be interesting to say the least. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Kieron VonDeux
17
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Posted - 2012.04.29 08:22:00 -
[83] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:CCP responds when there's an issue. They called Burn Jita '******* Brilliant.' I doubt they'll suddenly get mad about Hulkaggeddon after five years.
I seem to remember the Privateers getting interviewed for a news item just before the great War Dec nerf, because they overplayed the that several years back.
I won't go so far as say that what the OP says is likely but it wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.04.29 08:25:00 -
[84] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do. huh I missed some patchnotes then, other than the insurance nerf that every suicide ganker says didnt matter what all are you talking about? Cause you got tier 3 BCs basically built for suicide ganking, and the insurance thing (that, again everyone has said doesnt matter at all) is the only negative thing I can think of off hand Well, there are the constant upgrades to CONCORD response time, and changing things the the boomerang maneuver(which wasn't an exploit when I heard about it petitioned years ago, it was 'intelligent use of game mechanics' as long as you eventually died to CONCORD), to name a couple.
The thing is, that Manifesto postnought had it right -- CCP has been coddling high sec for far, FAR too long. There is no way in hell just managing to keep Concord from killing you for a few seconds -- presuming they eventually kill you -- is an exploit. It never has been, nor will it ever be.
Fat carebears who think this is just another WOW clone need to wake up and realize they're never going to get to put elf ears on their ship no matter how much they whine to CCP about it. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
452
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Posted - 2012.04.29 08:30:00 -
[85] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Oh noes CCP might nerf suicide ganking? You mean like they do every expansion? Whatever shall we do. huh I missed some patchnotes then, other than the insurance nerf that every suicide ganker says didnt matter what all are you talking about? Cause you got tier 3 BCs basically built for suicide ganking, and the insurance thing (that, again everyone has said doesnt matter at all) is the only negative thing I can think of off hand Well, there are the constant upgrades to CONCORD response time, and changing things the the boomerang maneuver(which wasn't an exploit when I heard about it petitioned years ago, it was 'intelligent use of game mechanics' as long as you eventually died to CONCORD), to name a couple.
Alphastrike for the first, Boomerang has been known as an exploit forever I KEEP hearing. Just cause YOU didnt hear of it as such doesnt change anything. I came into the game in 2005, The first thing I heard about CONCORD was that if you figured out a way to keep yourself from dying to them thats an exploit. Kinda assumed it was from then forward. So having an exploit closed doesnt really seem THAT huge an issue to me. Doesnt that follow along the vaunted Ganker mantra of Risk vs Reward anyways? The whole ganking thing has been fairly easy to do, Id think making it harder wouldnt be met with as much resistance. Then again, this is the same attitude Im seeing from the Incursion runners, it gets harder you dont adapt, you give up.
Whatever happened to HTFU and Adapt or die? "Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::
Yes |
Ashrik Tyr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.29 08:33:00 -
[86] - Quote
So either we suicide gank in hi-sec, have loads of fun doing so, and risk an "exploit" (if you can call it that) being patched out. In the meanwhile creating loads of news and buzz for both the game and our corp/alliance which results in a surge of activity and new/old subscriptions, as well as loads of market activity for those who normally only accrue capital in Empire space. All the while making loads of money from the advanced-planned alloy nerf, tech, and general mineral prices skyrocketing.
Or we don't have fun in the fear the CCP will change something, maybe, despite describing this event as "f-ing brilliant".
Help guys, I can't decide what to do.
The OP has applied some warped version of a just-world fallacy to a spaceship videogame. |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
3
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Posted - 2012.04.29 08:33:00 -
[87] - Quote
The only reason I could see for CCP to 'nerf' hulkageddon is if they start losing subscriptions over it.
Veteran miners are out in null-sec or W-Space doing grav sites and cashing in on those morphite prices, so they're not gonna be bothered by this. It's the budding, up-and-coming miners that might become too frustrated if they can't do their chosen profession for a whole month and consequently decide to go play another game.
Not sure what to think about it. I like that you can do it, but I'm not sure I like the effect it may have. Kinda like every other controversial issue in life.
/Aron |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
520
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Posted - 2012.04.29 08:38:00 -
[88] - Quote
Ashrik Tyr wrote:So either we suicide gank in hi-sec, have loads of fun doing so, and risk an "exploit" (if you can call it that) being patched out. In the meanwhile creating loads of news and buzz for both the game and our corp/alliance which results in a surge of activity and new/old subscriptions, as well as loads of market activity for those who normally only accrue capital in Empire space. All the while making loads of money from the advanced-planned alloy nerf, tech, and general mineral prices skyrocketing.
Or we don't have fun in the fear the CCP will change something, maybe, despite describing this event as "f-ing brilliant".
Help guys, I can't decide what to do. Surrender to our pubbie overlords. We're doomed, their whines will blot out all logic. It's all over, there's nothing left for us but slavery in a CONCORD-run police state. PvP will be an unintended exploit. The only use for guns is to shoot red crosses. Incursions are the most risky thing you can do. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
520
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Posted - 2012.04.29 08:39:00 -
[89] - Quote
Aron Croup wrote:It's the budding, up-and-coming miners that might become too frustrated if they can't do their chosen profession for a whole month and consequently decide to go play another game. You mean the up-and-coming miners with their hulks? Hm ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
3
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Posted - 2012.04.29 08:44:00 -
[90] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Aron Croup wrote:It's the budding, up-and-coming miners that might become too frustrated if they can't do their chosen profession for a whole month and consequently decide to go play another game. You mean the up-and-coming miners with their hulks? Hm ...
Doesn't take that long to get in a hulk... only a tiny bit more skill training than getting in a covetor.
But I reckon you wouldn't know much about that ;-)
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:39:00 -
[91] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Not advocating a specific side of the discussion here, but you guys may want to remember this. Which slice of this pie do you think it's in CCP's best interests to appeal to, if they have no choice but to do it at the expense of other slices?
You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts. And that's not even commenting on the bots -- when you have characters like that one guy with 23 accounts that he mines with 23x7, well, the numbers get a bit... skewed, don't they?
Every single time CCP has given in to the carebears EVE subscriptions have suffered. Every single time they have stood up against them subscriptions have risen. |
Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
73
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:52:00 -
[92] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits.
Yes, exploits.
Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
263
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Posted - 2012.04.29 09:55:00 -
[93] - Quote
Backlash? Isn't that the same backlash that's threatened every hulkageddon but never happens?
Events like these bring Eve back to life again! What it desperately needs. It becomes less grind and more game play. Variation is what it needs. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:02:00 -
[94] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits.
Yes, exploits. Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day.
Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit, people have petitioned about this before and been told it is not. As long as the criminal eventually dies to Concord, they're not evading Concord, are they?
CCP caved in to the EVE hating Carebears (again) and should be taken to task for it. In the meantime, just fly cheaper ships and make the pubbies burn. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
263
|
Posted - 2012.04.29 10:03:00 -
[95] - Quote
Xython wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits.
Yes, exploits. Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day. Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit, people have petitioned about this before and been told it is not. As long as the criminal eventually dies to Concord, they're not evading Concord, are they? CCP caved in to the EVE hating Carebears (again) and should be taken to task for it. In the meantime, just fly cheaper ships and make the pubbies burn.
They won't because it is the carebears that bring the money into CCP's bank. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
757
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:12:00 -
[96] - Quote
Miilla wrote:They won't because it is the carebears that bring the money into CCP's bank.
I question that assertion given how badly the game's subscriptions are affected whenever there's a "Carebear Expansion" put out.
In fact, I even question the idea that there are more Highsec players than Nullsec players. Consider that every single Goon I know has at least one Market alt, often multiples, often combined with several PI or Datacore farming alts (3x PI / Datacore alt will pay for that account + your main), often combined with ten hour hero alts.
And of course, there's the "bot situation." When you have people running 20+ Ice Miner bots at the same time, well, the numbers get a bit skewed as well.
In short, while the much lauded fanfest pie chart suggests that Highsec players outnumber Nullsec by about a 2-3:1 ratio, I find those numbers to be suspect. I would be interested in seeing how many accounts fall into both categories at once, and see the chart adjusted accordingly.
I think we'd see a huge difference.
Asheron's Call under Microsoft used the "The botters pay more" excuse as a justification to allow rampant botting, which eventually destroyed the game. There were more people in Jita tonight than in the entirety of AC across 7 servers, and the games launched relatively close to one another. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
578
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:22:00 -
[97] - Quote
I currently have 2 characters in Nullsec (my main game) and 4 in hisec so yeah id go with the fact that hisec has more actual characters for sure, but maybe not that many more actual people behind the accounts.
So yeah, I consider myself to be a nullsec player (as 90% of my time is spent there) but 2/3 of my actual characters are in hisec. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
73
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:44:00 -
[98] - Quote
Xython wrote:Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit, people have petitioned about this before and been told it is not. As long as the criminal eventually dies to Concord, they're not evading Concord, are they?
I don't disagree with you fully on this, however the people that were using it to completely avoid CONCORD was the reason it was brought to light.
Only a true Noonga can master the Boomerang. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
145
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:51:00 -
[99] - Quote
Brobocop McBro wrote:I will single handedly avenge Goons for every miner killed during Hulkageddon. They should not be able to run rampant like this. What they fail to realized is that I am who CCP cares about. I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them. I don't have any legs anymore so this game is really important to me and my govt actually pays for my gaming lol I have hulkageddon and I will complain if I am not able to punish them in game until they get banned instead. They made this game for me not you guys. Don't ruin this for me please. See kiddies.
Mining. Bad for you.
Takes your legs and leaves you nothing but credit card bills.
Errr and stumps. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
810
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Posted - 2012.04.29 11:20:00 -
[100] - Quote
Xython wrote:You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts.
Do you have any statistics to substantiate this claim? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2012.04.29 11:50:00 -
[101] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yes, exploits.
Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day.
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I'm not sure where people are getting that it was planned with CCP. Here. Have some tinfoil. Sorry its early in the morning here.. Quote:"There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay. So CCP knew at least that long ago what was planed. So, all of you who wonder why the Boomerang suddenly became an exploit? There you go
Funny thing: Goons plan Burn Jita Boomerang is suddenly an exploit and fixed. Cooincidence *noms tinfoil*
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
fgft Athonille
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:26:00 -
[102] - Quote
u r one one mad bad op |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
682
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:34:00 -
[103] - Quote
fgft Athonille wrote:u r one one mad bad op
Stupid meme is stupid TBH, saying that an op seemed mad does not mean it had any angry connotation. I will be mad however if suicide ganking in general is nerfed into the floor. And so will you
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Zed Jackelope
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
6
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:46:00 -
[104] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess.
Wrong.
1. Warping away from a suicide gank was never an exploit, it was only an exploit if you successfully avoided Concord. You still could not dock, you still could not jump through a gate, you still could not jump through a wormhole. All you could do is stay in warp until they caught up to you and you were popped.
2. Abandoning your drones should never have been an exploit, because Concord should NEVER have shot at abandoned drones in the first place. Abandoned drones are trash, anyone can pick them up, and they do not attack anyone. That is an oversight on the Devs for not thinking of the obvious. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
682
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:48:00 -
[105] - Quote
Zed Jackelope wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess. Wrong. 1. Warping away from a suicide gank was never an exploit, it was only an exploit if you successfully avoided Concord. You still could not dock, you still could not jump through a gate, you still could not jump through a wormhole. All you could do is stay in warp until they caught up to you and you were popped. 2. Abandoning your drones should never have been an exploit, because Concord should NEVER have shot at abandoned drones in the first place. Abandoned drones are trash, anyone can pick them up, and they do not attack anyone. That is an oversight on the Devs for not thinking of the obvious.
Now you seem angry. I will offer a **** you, because CCP "fixed" these usable features as a direct result of players bringing more attention to them. Kiss <3.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:24:00 -
[106] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Yes, exploits.
Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day.
Sorry its early in the morning here..
Quote:"There was one bug [the 'bookmark escaping agro bug'] in the game that meant that if they do the things they're going to do, they could have escaped the in-game consequences. So we fixed that bug about three weeks ago. And they went, okay.
So CCP knew at least that long ago what was planed.
So, all of you who wonder why the Boomerang suddenly became an exploit? There you go Funny thing: Goons plan Burn Jita Boomerang is suddenly an exploit and fixed. Cooincidence *noms tinfoil*
Xython wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits.
Yes, exploits. Suicide ganking is not an exploit. I hope I have in some way increased your IQ this day. Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit, people have petitioned about this before and been told it is not. As long as the criminal eventually dies to Concord, they're not evading Concord, are they? CCP caved in to the EVE hating Carebears (again) and should be taken to task for it. In the meantime, just fly cheaper ships and make the pubbies burn.
It was never an expliot till Goons planned "burn Jita" with CCP and CCP figures out you all could avoid CONCORD
Its not hard to figure out whose to blame for that one, Goon
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:25:00 -
[107] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:I currently have 2 characters in Nullsec (my main game) and 4 in hisec so yeah id go with the fact that hisec has more actual characters for sure, but maybe not that many more actual people behind the accounts.
So yeah, I consider myself to be a nullsec player (as 90% of my time is spent there) but 2/3 of my actual characters are in hisec.
A CCP guy tweeted 71% of accounts are in high Someone can find the link Im sure I dont have it
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Kyshonuba
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:58:00 -
[108] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
A CCP guy tweeted 71% of accounts are in high Someone can find the link Im sure I dont have it
Xython wrote:
In short, while the much lauded fanfest pie chart suggests that Highsec players outnumber Nullsec by about a 2-3:1 ratio, I find those numbers to be suspect. I would be interested in seeing how many accounts fall into both categories at once, and see the chart adjusted accordingly.
I think we'd see a huge difference. .....
Actually there where 2 of them. CCP Dr.EyjoG at EVE Fanfest 2012: State of the Economy (4:40)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&feature=relmfu
You are right, that the mere numbers of "player avatars" residing in high/low sec, are an imprecise indicator for "real player" numbers participating in low/0 sec gameplay. Maybe we can encourage CSM or CCP to get a better approximation ? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:15:00 -
[109] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:As these events progress and come into their own, it is all to easy to take it somewhere that could have unintended results for you.
Beleive me, they've already forgotten about THE Alliance Panel. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:17:00 -
[110] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Sweet jesus, Captain Butthurt
Anyone else ready to declare 'butthurt' one of those verbotten OVERused overly-Geek terms ???? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:20:00 -
[111] - Quote
HARD STEEL wrote: Get all your friends together and make a change if you're that butt hurt about this.
The WORD again. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:22:00 -
[112] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Original post, I didn't see any butthurt in the comment.
And another. I'm not even to page 2. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:28:00 -
[113] - Quote
EVE Stig wrote:
Hey Goons, you wanna make a rael impact on the game? Hulkageddon year.
Goons have nothing to do with Hulkageddon as an event, beyond the mittani's co-sponsorship.
Don't give credit where it is not due. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:31:00 -
[114] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense. What is this about?
http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4991&tid=1 There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:34:00 -
[115] - Quote
Xython wrote: Boomerang is not nor ever was an exploit
You are just full of it.
"GÇÿIf you gain a Global Criminal Countdown by committing an illegal action in high security space, it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid, or warp within the same grid, where you gained that GCC; even if you later return to that grid while still affected by that GCC."
http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972
So WHO exactly wants EVE EASY ??? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:36:00 -
[116] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote: So yeah, I consider myself to be a nullsec player (as 90% of my time is spent there) but 2/3 of my actual characters are in hisec.
THIS actually seems to be the majority 'situation' in the game. But then a bear is a bear, whether Care- or Null-. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
182
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:37:00 -
[117] - Quote
I can clearly see why CCP has "endorsed" both Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.
Let's face it, both add CONTENT which is sorely lacking at this time.
We need ships destroyed on a large scale and all the null-bears are dug into their respective areas like tics and not willing (or able with current sov, blob, hot drop, bridging mechanics) to make any serious headway in null-wars.
So, as I see it, any content is good content.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:39:00 -
[118] - Quote
Kyshonuba wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
A CCP guy tweeted 71% of accounts are in high Someone can find the link Im sure I dont have it
Xython wrote:
In short, while the much lauded fanfest pie chart suggests that Highsec players outnumber Nullsec by about a 2-3:1 ratio, I find those numbers to be suspect. I would be interested in seeing how many accounts fall into both categories at once, and see the chart adjusted accordingly.
I think we'd see a huge difference. .....
Actually there where 2 of them. CCP Dr.EyjoG at EVE Fanfest 2012: State of the Economy (4:40) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&feature=relmfuYou are right, that the mere numbers of "player avatars" residing in high/low sec, are an imprecise indicator for "real player" numbers participating in low/0 sec gameplay. Maybe we can encourage CSM or CCP to get a better approximation ?
I really dont think they want to for some reason or another or they would have by now
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:EVE Stig wrote:
Hey Goons, you wanna make a rael impact on the game? Hulkageddon year.
Goons have nothing to do with Hulkageddon as an event, beyond the mittani's co-sponsorship. Don't give credit where it is not due.
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:43:00 -
[119] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:I can clearly see why CCP has "endorsed" both Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.
Let's face it, both add CONTENT which is sorely lacking at this time.
We need ships destroyed on a large scale and all the null-bears are dug into their respective areas like tics and not willing (or able with current sov, blob, hot drop, bridging mechanics) to make any serious headway in null-wars.
So, as I see it, any content is good content.
Way I see it the Boomerang was "fixed" BECAUSE of Burn Jita lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:43:00 -
[120] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
263
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:45:00 -
[121] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well.
We should make it a year long. Every year. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:46:00 -
[122] - Quote
Miilla wrote:[quote=Krixtal Icefluxor]
We should make it a year long. Every year.
Again, you would be horrible to play Monopoly with. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
211
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:48:00 -
[123] - Quote
Kyshonuba wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
A CCP guy tweeted 71% of accounts are in high Someone can find the link Im sure I dont have it
Xython wrote:
In short, while the much lauded fanfest pie chart suggests that Highsec players outnumber Nullsec by about a 2-3:1 ratio, I find those numbers to be suspect. I would be interested in seeing how many accounts fall into both categories at once, and see the chart adjusted accordingly.
I think we'd see a huge difference. .....
Actually there where 2 of them. CCP Dr.EyjoG at EVE Fanfest 2012: State of the Economy (4:40) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&feature=relmfuYou are right, that the mere numbers of "player avatars" residing in high/low sec, are an imprecise indicator for "real player" numbers participating in low/0 sec gameplay. Maybe we can encourage CSM or CCP to get a better approximation ?
Just a note on this, I have something like 18 characters across 8 accounts. Currently, a mere 7 of them reside in nullsec and that's only recently, before that it was 3. Many nullsec players have at least one alt in highsec if for no other reason than to be able to check market prices in jita or purchase items in jita to have shipped to 0.0. Basically, that statistic is garbage because there's far too much unknown about it. if CCP is basing design choices on it, they're idiots. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 14:49:00 -
[124] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. You sure of that I dont remember it being more than normal
corestwo wrote:CCP ... idiots.
Youre Goon... you dont know this already?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:00:00 -
[125] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. It was never for one week. Hulkageddon I 111.10.16 - 111.10.19
Hulkageddon III was July 9th, 2010 through July 18th, 2010.
Hulkageddon IV was "the last week of feb + 1 extra weekend." According to Helicity
was two a month then? Thats the only one I cant find a date for
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
624
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:04:00 -
[126] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. It was never for one week. Hulkageddon I 111.10.16 - 111.10.19 Hulkageddon III was July 9th, 2010 through July 18th, 2010. Hulkageddon IV was "the last week of feb + 1 extra weekend." According to Helicity was two a month then? Thats the only one I cant find a date for
Indeed correct The cancelled November 2011 H'geddon was to be a month long. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
76
|
Posted - 2012.04.29 15:08:00 -
[127] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
well give that theyre the reason its a month this time and not a week.... I think credit is where it IS due on that one
The month long Hulkageddon is the idea of Helicity Boson, not the Goons. LAST years was a month as well. It was never for one week. Hulkageddon I 111.10.16 - 111.10.19 Hulkageddon III was July 9th, 2010 through July 18th, 2010. Hulkageddon IV was "the last week of feb + 1 extra weekend." According to Helicity was two a month then? Thats the only one I cant find a date for Indeed correct The cancelled November 2011 H'geddon was to be a month long. Regardless, it's Helicity's event, not the Goons.
Didnt really mean it was, I meant if the GOONS want to influence things hold a year long hulkageddon TYPE event lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:36:00 -
[128] - Quote
Kyshonuba wrote:Actually there where 2 of them. CCP Dr.EyjoG at EVE Fanfest 2012: State of the Economy (4:40) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms&feature=relmfuYou are right, that the mere numbers of "player avatars" residing in high/low sec, are an imprecise indicator for "real player" numbers participating in low/0 sec gameplay. Maybe we can encourage CSM or CCP to get a better approximation ?
I would love to see that. Specifically, I would like to see 2 new data mines be done and made available to the playerbase:
Data Mine 1: Number of accounts that ONLY have characters in highsec / nullsec / characters in both
Data Mine 2: Number of Unique Class C networks that ONLY have characters in Highsec / Nullsec / characters in both
Because Data Mine 1, while useful, would not catch players that have an entire other account in highsec, like dual boxing a market alt or whatnot.
I would also like to know if that data dump includes canceled accounts, say characters that have not logged in in > 3-6 months. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:45:00 -
[129] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:I can clearly see why CCP has "endorsed" both Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.
Let's face it, both add CONTENT which is sorely lacking at this time.
We need ships destroyed on a large scale and all the null-bears are dug into their respective areas like tics and not willing (or able with current sov, blob, hot drop, bridging mechanics) to make any serious headway in null-wars.
So, as I see it, any content is good content.
They "endorsed" Burn Jita and Hulkageddon because they have people with Doctorates and Masters Degrees in Economics working for them, who took one look at the raw EVE economy data and fainted dead away. After they woke up they started rocking to themselves chanting "Oh god, oh god, the Inflation." They didn't come back from the dark unhappy place until someone started chanting the Fibonacci sequence nearby in a calm, soothing voice.
Burn Jita and Hulkageddon are absolutely necessary to help reboot the EVE economy after literally years of damage due to bot miners, drone alloys, and other completely abused mechanics.
Consider that they made a rather big deal about talking about wanting to fix the "neglected other 2 tiers of EVE" -- Harvesting for Minerals and Crafting -- in the upcoming months. No doubt this will include a fix for bot mining, which will further fix the economy.
Personally, if they can find a way to restore glory to the Nullsec miner, and help reboot the Nullsec PVP ecosystem it would be even better, but you know how it is -- baby steps.
I think that would have the carebears up in arms even more than anything else, to be honest. "What, you mean I have to actually coordinate and play with others if I want to make pantloads of money in the game? That's stupid~~~!!!" |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:03:00 -
[130] - Quote
You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee. |
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Alain Kinsella
104
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:05:00 -
[131] - Quote
Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High.
I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null.
It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back.
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:12:00 -
[132] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee.
You still seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should go do a victory lap in Jita in your freighter. Be sure to fill it with as much expensive stuff as you can beforehand. That'll show us Goons. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:17:00 -
[133] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee. You still seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should go do a victory lap in Jita in your freighter. Be sure to fill it with as much expensive stuff as you can beforehand. That'll show us Goons.
You seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should post some more words. That'll show us.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
760
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:19:00 -
[134] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee. You still seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should go do a victory lap in Jita in your freighter. Be sure to fill it with as much expensive stuff as you can beforehand. That'll show us Goons. You seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should post some more words. That'll show us.
Nah, best not to feed the trolls, even when they're cute widdle ones like you. :) |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:22:00 -
[135] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:You people are so obtuse. Even rats know when their ship is sinking.
After the incoming nerfs, I will bump this thread with great glee. You still seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should go do a victory lap in Jita in your freighter. Be sure to fill it with as much expensive stuff as you can beforehand. That'll show us Goons. You seem pretty mad, bro. Perhaps you should post some more words. That'll show us. Nah, best not to feed the trolls, even when they're cute widdle ones like you. :)
Still mad, broh? Try being condescending, that'll show us who's boss!
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
625
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:25:00 -
[136] - Quote
Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back.
High Sec Bears will never go to null.
Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that.
Any more game killing ideas ? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
286
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:30:00 -
[137] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Sweet jesus, Captain Butthurt strikes again. Are you still harping on about all this? EDIT: I just realised why you are so butthurt over all this Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang. You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
Yes... all obvious exploits, but as you troll this thread, just remember one thing, they were easy to look past until they were used in excess. You rely on the loopholes and flaws in the game don't you? Scams, little "tricks" that few people know about? And then when the Goons or people like them, bring these things to CCP's attention and they get removed, well that just totally messes up your "fun" doesn't it? If it weren't for them old nasty Goons, you could keep using those little known exploits and a**hole tactics in order to keep feeling superior. Well well well, poor little Captain Butthurt really is hurting now isn't he. And that is the reason for all your anti-goon sentiment. You are a sad and lonely little man, and you have my pity.
I read this and I thought, Cutter Isaacson is the one that reads like he's butthurt ... |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:36:00 -
[138] - Quote
A little friendly reminder to everyone.
CCP actually enjoyed events like Burn Jita and Hulkageddon. As for the idea of players trying to destroy the economy using the in-game tools provided, what do they intend to do about it? As CCP said, they are just going to sit back and watch. That's it. And they will watch with a smile as they eat popcorn. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
626
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:41:00 -
[139] - Quote
Henry Haphorn wrote:As CCP said, they are just going to sit back and watch. That's it. And they will watch with a smile as they eat popcorn.
This has faint echoes of the orchestra on the Titanic. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
762
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:49:00 -
[140] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back. High Sec Bears will never go to null. Hulks can fit no turrets or launchers so the comment about miners shooting back is idiotic. Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that. Any more game killing ideas ?
Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships.
I suppose in Highsec, where after years of bleating at CCP it's somewhat difficult to gank a ship (and even if you are in danger of being ganked, your illegal bot program auto detects this and warps you off) that's true, but in real EVE anyone going it solo like that had better be watching local like a goddaamned hawk or get used to losing ships every few hours. |
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:02:00 -
[141] - Quote
Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back. High Sec Bears will never go to null. Hulks can fit no turrets or launchers so the comment about miners shooting back is idiotic. Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that. Any more game killing ideas ? Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships. I suppose in Highsec, where after years of bleating at CCP it's somewhat difficult to gank a ship (and even if you are in danger of being ganked, your illegal bot program auto detects this and warps you off) that's true, but in real EVE anyone going it solo like that had better be watching local like a goddaamned hawk or get used to losing ships every few hours.
"Real EVE"? Kid, give us a break. You're in GSF, which means don't even play EVE - you play SomethingAwful.com. You don't even know what it's like to play EVE; IE, starting with nothing and building yourself up. You come onto this game and instantly get free ships, 1 on 1 apprentice tutoring, safe access to null-sec resources, and all the cushy protection from your nandydandy null-sec carebear alliance. You've never even logged onto EVE Online.
And then you come onto the forums and have a cryfest about hardbears mining in hi-sec. You realize that Hi-Sec is open to you, right? Instead of getting all butthurt about hardbears scraping some ISK together in hi-sec, why not HTFU, fit a tank on a Hulk, and go out and join them? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
632
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:03:00 -
[142] - Quote
Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Any more game killing ideas ?
Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships.
I'm only gonna grab this one idiotic point here.
THIS DOES NOT WORK. YOU KNOW THIS.
There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
741
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:04:00 -
[143] - Quote
Nah keep exhumers in highsec, it's great seeing some crybaby fit his hulk with 6000 ehp out of greed and then cry crocodile tears when some nobody in a destroyer crumples his paper tank |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:04:00 -
[144] - Quote
Xython wrote:And you know what: I never quite agreed with the idea of killing "the game," but the more I realize that you guys are playing something other than EVE and trying to force the rest of us to play along, the more eager I am to kill YOUR game.
Again: You're in GSF. You don't play EVE. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
58
|
Posted - 2012.04.29 17:05:00 -
[145] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Any more game killing ideas ?
Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships. I'm only gonna grab this one idiotic point here. THIS DOES NOT WORK. YOU KNOW THIS.
No dude, having escorts totally prevents alphaganking. All you have to do is fly really close together so your shields merge. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:05:00 -
[146] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Nah keep exhumers in highsec, it's great seeing some crybaby fit his hulk with 6000 ehp out of greed and then cry crocodile tears when some nobody in a destroyer crumples his paper tank
I don't think you know what "crocodile tears" means. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
763
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:00:00 -
[147] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:No dude, having escorts totally prevents alphaganking. All you have to do is fly really close together so your shields merge.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
How about a scout at the gate. You see a bunch of ganking ships warp in, you warn your fleet and they warp the miners out.
In Nullsec, you bubble the gate. Gives you more time to warp out. Maybe a scout a gate out as well. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
499
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:07:00 -
[148] - Quote
Goons have a manifesto to destroy MMO's and their leader has openly admitted to breaking the EULA. CCP is a reactive company and not proactive, and won't do anything until people quit.
And enough people have to quit to **** their investors off.
Thats their MO. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:08:00 -
[149] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:No dude, having escorts totally prevents alphaganking. All you have to do is fly really close together so your shields merge. You have no idea what you're talking about. How about a scout at the gate. You see a bunch of ganking ships warp in, you warn your fleet and they warp the miners out. In Nullsec, you bubble the gate. Gives you more time to warp out. Maybe a scout a gate out as well. That's why highsec is more risky than nullsec, right? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
632
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:15:00 -
[150] - Quote
Xython wrote: How about a scout at the gate. You see a bunch of ganking ships warp in, you warn your fleet and they warp the miners out.
High Sec traffic is too high for this to ever work. You don't play in high Sec so you would not know.
FLEE every single time someone jumps in system ? I think not.
Only defense is to add to Contact every possible idiot Alliance in the game, yours included, and keep eyes on Local for Red. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
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Demosthenes O'Connor
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:50:00 -
[151] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back. High Sec Bears will never go to null. Hulks can fit no turrets or launchers so the comment about miners shooting back is idiotic. Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that. Any more game killing ideas ? Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships. I suppose in Highsec, where after years of bleating at CCP it's somewhat difficult to gank a ship (and even if you are in danger of being ganked, your illegal bot program auto detects this and warps you off) that's true, but in real EVE anyone going it solo like that had better be watching local like a goddaamned hawk or get used to losing ships every few hours. "Real EVE"? Kid, give us a break. You're in GSF, which means don't even play EVE - you play SomethingAwful.com. You don't even know what it's like to play EVE; IE, starting with nothing and building yourself up. You come onto this game and instantly get free ships, 1 on 1 apprentice tutoring, safe access to null-sec resources, and all the cushy protection from your nandydandy null-sec carebear alliance. You've never even logged onto EVE Online. And then you come onto the forums and have a cryfest about hardbears mining in hi-sec. You realize that Hi-Sec is open to you, right? Instead of getting all butthurt about hardbears scraping some ISK together in hi-sec, why not HTFU, fit a tank on a Hulk, and go out and join them?
Exactly this.
The interior of any major alliance territory is almost exactly like high sec. Nullbears in major alliances do not live anything like a hardscrabble existence.
Don't forget the blobs of people flying together so they are in far less danger. Blobbing is smart but people shouldn't let the fantasy of playing an unkillable pilot flying in a blob make them think they are any sort of hero flying on the bleeding edge of danger. I mean really.
"Boring Jita" was just a temporary infestation, a fart in a hurricane. It was fun but so is a weekend in cabo.
Ships got destroyed and replaced as usual only this weekend it was a wee bit more concentrated.
If "let's build a shitload of ships and suicide gank people in one location for a couple of days" is some of the best player content to be found in EVE then perhaps this is why the game has never blown up as much as it could? ~48387~ |
DF3CT
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:55:00 -
[152] - Quote
On a different note I thin they should apply an SP learning Debuff or debuffs depending on how high the bounty is.
Something....anything to stem the tide of people abusing it.
Perhaps even wardec bounties. Something like that. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.04.29 19:19:00 -
[153] - Quote
Demosthenes O'Connor wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back. High Sec Bears will never go to null. Hulks can fit no turrets or launchers so the comment about miners shooting back is idiotic. Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that. Any more game killing ideas ? Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships. I suppose in Highsec, where after years of bleating at CCP it's somewhat difficult to gank a ship (and even if you are in danger of being ganked, your illegal bot program auto detects this and warps you off) that's true, but in real EVE anyone going it solo like that had better be watching local like a goddaamned hawk or get used to losing ships every few hours. "Real EVE"? Kid, give us a break. You're in GSF, which means don't even play EVE - you play SomethingAwful.com. You don't even know what it's like to play EVE; IE, starting with nothing and building yourself up. You come onto this game and instantly get free ships, 1 on 1 apprentice tutoring, safe access to null-sec resources, and all the cushy protection from your nandydandy null-sec carebear alliance. You've never even logged onto EVE Online. And then you come onto the forums and have a cryfest about hardbears mining in hi-sec. You realize that Hi-Sec is open to you, right? Instead of getting all butthurt about hardbears scraping some ISK together in hi-sec, why not HTFU, fit a tank on a Hulk, and go out and join them? Exactly this. The interior of any major alliance territory is almost exactly like high sec. Nullbears in major alliances do not live anything like a hardscrabble existence. Don't forget the blobs of people flying together so they are in far less danger. Blobbing is smart but people shouldn't let the fantasy of playing an unkillable pilot flying in a blob make them think they are any sort of hero flying on the bleeding edge of danger. I mean really. "Boring Jita" was just a temporary infestation, a fart in a hurricane. It was fun but so is a weekend in cabo. Ships got destroyed and replaced as usual only this weekend it was a wee bit more concentrated. If "let's build a shitload of ships and suicide gank people in one location for a couple of days" is some of the best player content to be found in EVE then perhaps this is why the game has never blown up as much as it could?
100x this.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
741
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Posted - 2012.04.29 19:36:00 -
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npc corp posters analyze nullsec |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
691
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Posted - 2012.04.29 20:44:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:npc corp posters analyze nullsec
All the cool kids in nullsec post with NPC alts. Just saying.
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Mishraile Viliana
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:26:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.
You know, the first time I heard about EVE, it was back in 2006, and a couple co-workers were talking about how one of them got hotdropped by a pirate titan while he was in a cruiser. As he told me about it, I thought 'Holy hell! This game sound crazy! I gotta check this out.' Now that I know the game, I think he was full of it, but those things do happen nowadays, and things like burn jita and hulkageddon are similar in nature. Yesterday, I was sitting in the chat room for one of the burn jita live streams, and I saw at least 10 21 day trials handed out in the space of an hour because of burn jita. That was in one chat room that never appeared to break 30 people, and I know there were more. Do you think CCP is upset by this?
So the event got them some free trials, now tell me how many do you think will stick around and start paying after they realize that they are the favorite prey for these mighty pvpers.
As for the OP as far as I can see he is only reminding you that high sec is supposed to be a relative safe zone where new players can learn about the game and build up some capital to try something else and older players are able to recover their losses after being blown up without have to suck up to some powerhungry fools in null. Lets just compare it to real life pickpocketing, no shopping center will be without it but as long as it stays within certain limits the police will do nothing more then their normal patrols the moment the number of occurance is deemed to high these patrols will be more frequent to counter an excessive nuisance. In eve this would mean the moment that ccp decides that your fun is having an excessive negative impact on enough highsec players they will take steps to bring it back to what they consider an acceptable level, possible being a bit heavyhanded about it. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:31:00 -
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Mishraile Viliana wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:DU1 -Sia wrote:Not really, I tell them about the huge fleet's I've been part of in nul, about how it truly made me feel like I was a pilot in a spaceship involving thousands ships fighting over who gets the system... I don't mention the actions of self entitled fools who abuse game mechanics to get one up on the game while risking nothing and being fed like babies from there alliance.
You know, the first time I heard about EVE, it was back in 2006, and a couple co-workers were talking about how one of them got hotdropped by a pirate titan while he was in a cruiser. As he told me about it, I thought 'Holy hell! This game sound crazy! I gotta check this out.' Now that I know the game, I think he was full of it, but those things do happen nowadays, and things like burn jita and hulkageddon are similar in nature. Yesterday, I was sitting in the chat room for one of the burn jita live streams, and I saw at least 10 21 day trials handed out in the space of an hour because of burn jita. That was in one chat room that never appeared to break 30 people, and I know there were more. Do you think CCP is upset by this? So the event got them some free trials, now tell me how many do you think will stick around and start paying after they realize that they are the favorite prey for these mighty pvpers. As for the OP as far as I can see he is only reminding you that high sec is supposed to be a relative safe zone where new players can learn about the game and build up some capital to try something else and older players are able to recover their losses after being blown up without have to suck up to some powerhungry fools in null. Lets just compare it to real life pickpocketing, no shopping center will be without it but as long as it stays within certain limits the police will do nothing more then their normal patrols the moment the number of occurance is deemed to high these patrols will be more frequent to counter an excessive nuisance. In eve this would mean the moment that ccp decides that your fun is having an excessive negative impact on enough highsec players they will take steps to bring it back to what they consider an acceptable level, possible being a bit heavyhanded about it.
If you sign up for a game because you saw a massive griefing spree going on and that made you interested, why the hell would you be upset when you get ganked every now and then? Its not like it is hard to join a nullsec or wormhole entity and move somewhere that lacks griefers(tho both places have their own dangers) and most of those people got recruited to existing organization because they were doing a buddy invite.
Additionally, if you are getting ganked more than once or twice a month, you are doing it seriously wrong. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
691
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:34:00 -
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And here i was thinking that people joined EVE because of this instead
Ah... the good old days * wipes away tear.
On second thought... it's so much better to have people joining because they dream of (marketed) ripping off of alliances and ganking idiots. So much better!
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:40:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: It is better, tho I didn't join in hope of doing it. I joined because a universe where that is possible, and encouraged, is incredible, and something I want to be part of. Taking away our ability to do those horrible things, whether I do them or not, takes away from the concept that I was so amazed to discover.
I am all over these forums pushing for griefing and ganking. Check my killboards, you will discover I have never killed a mining ship or an industrial of any variety. Its not what I do, or really even want to do(tho I was very very tempted on Burn Jita), but I don't want this to be a game where it doesn't happen, because thats what EVE is really about. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Lictor Yeva
WoonGaffe
9
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:55:00 -
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Demosthenes O'Connor wrote:If "let's build a shitload of ships and suicide gank people in one location for a couple of days" is some of the best player content to be found in EVE then perhaps this is why the game has never blown up as much as it could?
That's a pretty interesting perspective, but is it entirely fair after 9 years of epic glory that is EVE online to say that 2 days of Jita shenanigans is the best player content around?
I will concede that the current trend in griefing, scamming, suicide ganking, tear harvesting and so forth appears to be growing and more and more pilots seem to get their fun from these sort of activities, rather then the 'Blob A fights Blob B' wars of old, as evidenced by the ever-growing popularity of hulkageddon.
Question is what to do about it. It's a sandbox, it's emergent game play. Should we really break with that concept just to rein in the ******** bullies who step on our pretty sand castles?
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DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:55:00 -
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Someone said what mechanic abuse.
Might I refer said person to the goon thread about how tech is so over valued that they have nothing else to do except to fund a rampage in highsec.
Highsec remember it stands for high security, has shown clearly that the existing mechanics are not working. The mechanics are there to encourage sanctioned concord warfare via the wardec system, and or to encourage players to move out of highsec for full scale unadulterated war.
Burn Jita in all its explosive glory has shown the opposite, its shown that current mechanics are no discouragement at all, and that in fact you can make serious money by just ignoring the highsec status in relation to alpha suicide ganking. Add in that a recent dev blo stated you will be able to buy back security via tags means potentially even what does stand in place to deter people becomes even more ineffectual.
As for HaG honestly sod the hulk highsec pilots, anyone who sits in a 300m ship with a paper tank stationary in a system anyone can get in and out of deserves to get popped, hulks wanna mine go to null and earn the protection.
But current suicide ganking after tier3 BC's introduction, brings about 1 complete failure of the system, freighters. They have just been made defunct by game mechanics. Freighters are essentially highsec craft, for there are quicker more expensive options in low/null, but with the ease of them being alphad in highsec for profit even after gank losses, what now is the point of them?
As another of my posts said, kudos to goons, at fault or not, again they show CCP the failings of there game... well done ;) |
Zubrette
The Skunkworks
12
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:06:00 -
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To be honest, most of the exploits Skunkworks employed were completely ridiculous and should have been fixed. Your exploits are no different. Suck it up. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
899
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:13:00 -
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Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High.
How about we ban all T2 and T3 ships from hi-sec? No? You see how stupid it is to say "let's ban exhumers from hi-sec"?
(Exhumers are just the T2 variant of T1 mining barges. Just like HACs and AFs are the T2 variant of things like T1 cruisers and frigates.) |
Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
4
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:17:00 -
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ISD LoneLynx wrote:While I do appreciate humor, I still should ask you to stay on topic. I made no edits to this thread, but autistic disorders clearly aren't related to the theme (and honestly, it isn't good thing to joke about).
What the hell does ISD stand for? Internet Space Dipshit? Why would I care what you say?
Here I'll give ya an edit:
Autistic is just the nice new hipster word for ********. Next time just do your un-payed job and edit. We don't need to know what you think is good to joke about....and yeah the goofy ******** bastards are funny. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
637
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:30:00 -
[165] - Quote
Scrapyard Bob wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High.
How about we ban all T2 and T3 ships from hi-sec? No? You see how stupid it is to say "let's ban exhumers from hi-sec"? (Exhumers are just the T2 variant of T1 mining barges. Just like HACs and AFs are the T2 variant of things like T1 cruisers and frigates.) You are right, but at the same time Hulks were meant to be used in null and low when they were designed. Rather than ban them an actual realistic idea would be to give them bonuses to mining ABCs, such as something that reduces the chance of crystal breakage(crystal breakage is semi random, right?) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:50:00 -
[166] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High.
How about we ban all T2 and T3 ships from hi-sec? No? You see how stupid it is to say "let's ban exhumers from hi-sec"? (Exhumers are just the T2 variant of T1 mining barges. Just like HACs and AFs are the T2 variant of things like T1 cruisers and frigates.) You are right, but at the same time Hulks were meant to be used in null and low when they were designed. Rather than ban them an actual realistic idea would be to give them bonuses to mining ABCs, such as something that reduces the chance of crystal breakage(crystal breakage is semi random, right?) Ideas like ship "x belongs in place y" seems just as unsandbox like as all the proposals here to ban reduce or make ganking harder. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
639
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:28:00 -
[167] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High.
How about we ban all T2 and T3 ships from hi-sec? No? You see how stupid it is to say "let's ban exhumers from hi-sec"? (Exhumers are just the T2 variant of T1 mining barges. Just like HACs and AFs are the T2 variant of things like T1 cruisers and frigates.) You are right, but at the same time Hulks were meant to be used in null and low when they were designed. Rather than ban them an actual realistic idea would be to give them bonuses to mining ABCs, such as something that reduces the chance of crystal breakage(crystal breakage is semi random, right?) Ideas like ship "x belongs in place y" seems just as unsandbox like as all the proposals here to ban reduce or make ganking harder. True. After all, it would be perfectly sandboxy to let titans and supercarriers roam free in highsec, and you would love that wouldn't you?
Letting us use bubbles and bombs in highsec wouldn't hurt anything either, would it? The fact that we can use none of these things ruins the sandbox.
Hell, its not like my suggestion would in anyway nerf hulks as they are now, it would just encourage hulk pilots to find a way to move to nullsec to make full use of their profit generating abilities, much like the dudes I have been interviewing all day today. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Senarian Tyme
Serenity Rising LLC Vanguard.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:36:00 -
[168] - Quote
Lictor Yeva wrote:Demosthenes O'Connor wrote:If "let's build a shitload of ships and suicide gank people in one location for a couple of days" is some of the best player content to be found in EVE then perhaps this is why the game has never blown up as much as it could? That's a pretty interesting perspective, but is it entirely fair after 9 years of epic glory that is EVE online to say that 2 days of Jita shenanigans is the best player content around? I will concede that the current trend in griefing, scamming, suicide ganking, tear harvesting and so forth appears to be growing and more and more pilots seem to get their fun from these sort of activities, rather then the 'Blob A fights Blob B' wars of old, as evidenced by the ever-growing popularity of hulkageddon. Question is what to do about it. It's a sandbox, it's emergent game play. Should we really break with that concept just to rein in the ******** bullies who step on our pretty sand castles?
Just put some rusty nails into your sandcastle and smile as they stomp away. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
499
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:50:00 -
[169] - Quote
We get fair warning for bleating over the injustices of open-world PVP's now?
Neat, I thought it was just continual. Thanks for the warning, though. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:24:00 -
[170] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High.
How about we ban all T2 and T3 ships from hi-sec? No? You see how stupid it is to say "let's ban exhumers from hi-sec"? (Exhumers are just the T2 variant of T1 mining barges. Just like HACs and AFs are the T2 variant of things like T1 cruisers and frigates.) You are right, but at the same time Hulks were meant to be used in null and low when they were designed. Rather than ban them an actual realistic idea would be to give them bonuses to mining ABCs, such as something that reduces the chance of crystal breakage(crystal breakage is semi random, right?) Ideas like ship "x belongs in place y" seems just as unsandbox like as all the proposals here to ban reduce or make ganking harder. True. After all, it would be perfectly sandboxy to let titans and supercarriers roam free in highsec, and you would love that wouldn't you? Letting us use bubbles and bombs in highsec wouldn't hurt anything either, would it? The fact that we can use none of these things ruins the sandbox. Hell, its not like my suggestion would in anyway nerf hulks as they are now, it would just encourage hulk pilots to find a way to move to nullsec to make full use of their profit generating abilities, much like the dudes I have been interviewing all day today. Again, trying to direct where a mining ship should be isn't terribly purposeful. I to this day still don't see how 30k EHP somehow screams this is a nullsec ship. EHP in the millions on a ship or area effect damage like bombs have logical arguments, but the performance and tank of a hulk don't nearly measure up, which is why caps and bombs aren't in highsec and hulks are. If the exhumers were infact meant to be a nullsec ships due to their resilience, they really are terrible ships. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
692
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:27:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: It is better....
Then dare I say that you are an idiot kind sir. And no, I do not wish to further converse with you (nor entertain the ludicrous idea of) how EVE Never Fades HQ compares (or does not compare) to the "stealing from alliance" trailer. Reason being....they are not on the same level, galaxy or dimension of awesome.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
534
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:37:00 -
[172] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:We get fair warning for bleating over the injustices of open-world PVP's now?
Neat, I thought it was just continual. Thanks for the warning, though. Meh, what do you expect when they copy thread titles from better posters... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Mordus Angels
152
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Posted - 2012.04.30 05:29:00 -
[173] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: It is better.... Then dare I say that you are an idiot kind sir. And no, I do not wish to further converse with you (nor entertain the ludicrous idea of) how EVE Never Fades HQ compares (or does not compare) to the "stealing from alliance" trailer. Reason being....they are not on the same level, galaxy or dimension of awesome.
That trailer you linked was so dull I couldn't even force myself to finish it. The thing to remember about treachery and double dealing being possible is that it means that trust has real meaning in this game. Because trust the most valuable commodity in the game and you can't have real trust where betrayal isn't an option.
In the end the Goons are probably the most honest and trustworthy group in this game. This is why they are successful. They tell everyone straight up that unless you are blue to them they will do their damnedest to scam you, gank you and make you miserable. You always know where you stand with Goons you are either an ally or a potential victim. It's not their fault everyone thinks they are a special snowflake.
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:14:00 -
[174] - Quote
I was under the understand that the devs used things like Hulkageddon TO test the rules in the game and when cracks become evident TO seal them up.
Well HaG and the forums as I believe the boomerang thing was nixed cause one guy went on the forums and went "look what I can do" |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:40:00 -
[175] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote: It is better.... Then dare I say that you are an idiot kind sir. And no, I do not wish to further converse with you (nor entertain the ludicrous idea of) how EVE Never Fades HQ compares (or does not compare) to the "stealing from alliance" trailer. Reason being....they are not on the same level, galaxy or dimension of awesome. I never said it was a bad trailer. It takes more than pretty pictures to make me want to play a game, tho, and if you are so shallow that you would choose to play a game based on its trailer and not its gameplay, then you sir, are a truly sad individual. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:52:00 -
[176] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Again, trying to direct where a mining ship should be isn't terribly purposeful. I to this day still don't see how 30k EHP somehow screams this is a nullsec ship. EHP in the millions on a ship or area effect damage like bombs have logical arguments, but the performance and tank of a hulk don't nearly measure up, which is why caps and bombs aren't in highsec and hulks are. If the exhumers were infact meant to be a nullsec ships due to their resilience, they really are terrible ships. I'm sorry that you fail to understand how nullsec survival works. You don't expect ANYTHING to survive a gank. Even titans get ganked in nullsec.
Exhumers in general, and hulks in specific, were designed with nullsec mining in mind. They were given big enough tanks to be able to deal with the rats out here, and thats all they need. If you have half a brain, then you don't sit there and wait for someone to show up, you warp out as soon as you see yellow in local. If you cannot warp out before they manage to probe out the hidden belt you are in(you don't think nullsec miners mine in normal belts, do you?) and then warp to you, then you are clearly afk mining and doing it wrong.
You don't survive being ganked by having a big tank, you survive being ganked by being smart enough not to be there when the ganker arrives, and since you know anyone you see who isn't blue is a ganker, its not all that hard. Again, this assume you are not an afk miner, in which case I hope you get ganked to hard you finally quit eve, because you are terrible.
Then again, I guess I should just sell your name to my pirate friends so they know whos name to run through their locators for an easy kill. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
724
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:So what exactly are you saying? We should tone down the Jita burning and Hulkaggedon to a diet version? He's saying there are those who are slaves to their excesses, and CCP is mom slapping things out of their hands.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:46:00 -
[178] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Again, trying to direct where a mining ship should be isn't terribly purposeful. I to this day still don't see how 30k EHP somehow screams this is a nullsec ship. EHP in the millions on a ship or area effect damage like bombs have logical arguments, but the performance and tank of a hulk don't nearly measure up, which is why caps and bombs aren't in highsec and hulks are. If the exhumers were infact meant to be a nullsec ships due to their resilience, they really are terrible ships. I'm sorry that you fail to understand how nullsec survival works. You don't expect ANYTHING to survive a gank. Even titans get ganked in nullsec. Exhumers in general, and hulks in specific, were designed with nullsec mining in mind. They were given big enough tanks to be able to deal with the rats out here, and thats all they need. If you have half a brain, then you don't sit there and wait for someone to show up, you warp out as soon as you see yellow in local. If you cannot warp out before they manage to probe out the hidden belt you are in(you don't think nullsec miners mine in normal belts, do you?) and then warp to you, then you are clearly afk mining and doing it wrong. You don't survive being ganked by having a big tank, you survive being ganked by being smart enough not to be there when the ganker arrives, and since you know anyone you see who isn't blue is a ganker, its not all that hard. Again, this assume you are not an afk miner, in which case I hope you get ganked to hard you finally quit eve, because you are terrible. Then again, I guess I should just sell your name to my pirate friends so they know whos name to run through their locators for an easy kill. You missed my point completely. First off, if your pirate friend wait for me to be in a hulk to gank me, i hope they have something else to do in the meantime. If you think I'm afraid of ganks, you're sorely mistaken. If you think you can impress my by threatening to hire other to do your dirty work, I guess there's no helping you. But more to the point, this isn't about surviving ganks, it's about a noncombat ship being confined to more combative space. As you yourself have stated if the only difference is tanking of NPC's then really there is no strong reason to direct people to null/low for the use of the ship. It's advantages are universal as far as it's capacity as a miner and in highsec, where you can't just say "look, an unknown in local" it does provide some chance of survival of a gank attempt, should you be caught in one, which would have worked on a lesser ship. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:00:00 -
[179] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:You missed my point completely. First off, if your pirate friend wait for me to be in a hulk to gank me, i hope they have something else to do in the meantime. If you think I'm afraid of ganks, you're sorely mistaken. If you think you can impress my by threatening to hire other to do your dirty work, I guess there's no helping you. But more to the point, this isn't about surviving ganks, it's about a noncombat ship being confined to more combative space. As you yourself have stated if the only difference is tanking of NPC's then really there is no strong reason to direct people to null/low for the use of the ship. It's advantages are universal as far as it's capacity as a miner and in highsec, where you can't just say "look, an unknown in local" it does provide some chance of survival of a gank attempt, should you be caught in one, which would have worked on a lesser ship. First, not a threat, just a joke. Way to take things far too seriously.
Second, there is no such thing as non-combative space in EVE, so we have found out why you are failing to understand.
Third, you are correct, as things stand there is no real reason to take a hulk to nullsec(unless you want to mine ABCs), other than the fact that an intelligent person can mine in more safety in null than in high, even tho it was designed with nullsec in mind. That is exactly why I was suggesting GIVING them a reason.
This is the whole problem with the current attitudes of the mining profession, as well as the problem with the risk:reward balance in highsec vs nullsec. Highsec gives you an illusory sense of safety because you think CONCORD is supposed to save you, while nullsec makes you feel in danger, which will make you behave in ways that will increase your odds of survival. If you play smart in highsec, you can be far safer because of CONCORD, but people like to stay in well populated systems and mine while AFK.
I can tell ya that a solo miner in a hulk, without any kind of boosting support, can make 50 mil/hr mining ABCs, which seems to make the miners I work with all kinds of happy(I haven't mined in 3 years or so, so I dunno how much highsec mining makes) but they do have to go into hiding fairly often because of hostiles in local.
I guess this is the last reply to you tho, since you appear to refuse to actually understand how the game is supposed to work, and think your hulk should just be able to tank a gank fleet. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:17:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:You missed my point completely. First off, if your pirate friend wait for me to be in a hulk to gank me, i hope they have something else to do in the meantime. If you think I'm afraid of ganks, you're sorely mistaken. If you think you can impress my by threatening to hire other to do your dirty work, I guess there's no helping you. But more to the point, this isn't about surviving ganks, it's about a noncombat ship being confined to more combative space. As you yourself have stated if the only difference is tanking of NPC's then really there is no strong reason to direct people to null/low for the use of the ship. It's advantages are universal as far as it's capacity as a miner and in highsec, where you can't just say "look, an unknown in local" it does provide some chance of survival of a gank attempt, should you be caught in one, which would have worked on a lesser ship. First, not a threat, just a joke. Way to take things far too seriously. Second, there is no such thing as non-combative space in EVE, so we have found out why you are failing to understand. Third, you are correct, as things stand there is no real reason to take a hulk to nullsec(unless you want to mine ABCs), other than the fact that an intelligent person can mine in more safety in null than in high, even tho it was designed with nullsec in mind. That is exactly why I was suggesting GIVING them a reason. This is the whole problem with the current attitudes of the mining profession, as well as the problem with the risk:reward balance in highsec vs nullsec. Highsec gives you an illusory sense of safety because you think CONCORD is supposed to save you, while nullsec makes you feel in danger, which will make you behave in ways that will increase your odds of survival. If you play smart in highsec, you can be far safer because of CONCORD, but people like to stay in well populated systems and mine while AFK. I can tell ya that a solo miner in a hulk, without any kind of boosting support, can make 50 mil/hr mining ABCs, which seems to make the miners I work with all kinds of happy(I haven't mined in 3 years or so, so I dunno how much highsec mining makes) but they do have to go into hiding fairly often because of hostiles in local. I guess this is the last reply to you tho, since you appear to refuse to actually understand how the game is supposed to work, and think your hulk should just be able to tank a gank fleet. Tanking ganks has been done before, but I suppose this could be put more on the lack of proper preparation on the gankers part. I never said highsec was non-combative, but there are clear differences in combat practices in the various sec bands. I've never been bubble camped in highsec (though the time it happened in null it was my dumb ass fault... on both occasions ), I have been ganked in highsec, once successfully, once not, but in each case it was for a specific reason I was chosen, whereas in low it was just because they saw someone who wasn't one of them and thought they could kill it (they were right). Different rules of engagement change the way PvP is done in most cases and in the case of high it makes the hulk a good contender for a mining ship across all sec bands. Sure, one could suggest it be more focused elsewhere, but it seems ironic for someone who is advocating their ability to do what they want in game to be suggesting that the tools of others be pigeonholed like that, which was really my point more than anything else. |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:24:00 -
[181] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Tanking ganks has been done before, but I suppose this could be put more on the lack of proper preparation on the gankers part. I never said highsec was non-combative, but there are clear differences in combat practices in the various sec bands. I've never been bubble camped in highsec (though the time it happened in null it was my dumb ass fault... on both occasions ), I have been ganked in highsec, once successfully, once not, but in each case it was for a specific reason I was chosen, whereas in low it was just because they saw someone who wasn't one of them and thought they could kill it (they were right). Different rules of engagement change the way PvP is done in most cases and in the case of high it makes the hulk a good contender for a mining ship across all sec bands. Sure, one could suggest it be more focused elsewhere, but it seems ironic for someone who is advocating their ability to do what they want in game to be suggesting that the tools of others be pigeonholed like that, which was really my point more than anything else. Ok, breaking my no reply thing since you actually posted a reasonable response :)
I don't, in any way what so ever, think that any ship currently allowed in highsec should be removed from it.
I DO think that giving a hulk a bonus to mining ABC ores, ON TOP of what it already has, would be a good thing, as it would provide both a reason for miners to take their hulks down to null, and provide a much needed boost to nullsec industry.
I honestly can understand why you seem so opposed to a 100% buff to hulks, just because it doesn't also buff highsec miners. I happen to like miners, tho I do think most highsec miners do need to HTFU and get over their fear of low and null. I run daily mining ops out in nullsec(I do it from an orca or rorqual) and those that we have are really great dudes, who almost never get mad about losing their hulks, because they realize it happens.
Yes, the rules are different, but you seem to think that mining outside of highsec is fieryhelldeathofdoomincarnate, or that nullsec should not be a more profitable place to be to balance the fact that it is more dangerous(as long as you play smart, highsec is extremely safe, but we get people we KNOW will kill us all the time) and alot more work(do you think sov takes and holds itself?)
Hulks, and exhumers as a whole, could use some buffs to make them more appropriate to sectors of space other than highsec, and this could very easily be done without actually nerfing them for highsec. Give hulks bonuses to mining ABCs, and give Covetors, say, a massive agility boost, so they can get out of danger in lowsec in a reasonable way(grabbed that off the top of my head) and you have just made mining low and nullsec ores a much more viable option, without having to rebalance half the game around it.
Edit: Can you break your paragraphs up so its easy to break the post into multiple quotes for ease of addressing individual points? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
49
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:56:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ganking miners. YEE HAA! until everyone started doing it = ??? Does it need a "nerf"? If there are no ores left, who will build all the nice battleships of ... what again? Will "reprocessing" looted items compensate it enough?
At last i wonder, why so much people seems to be fixed to Jita. If it's too risky to buy/sell in Jita, then it might be more profitable (in the average) to sell/buy elsewhere for 5 ISK less profit per item?
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 10:00:00 -
[183] - Quote
Gerald Taric wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Ganking miners. YEE HAA! until everyone started doing it = ??? Does it need a "nerf"? If there are no ores left, who will build all the nice battleships of ... what again? Will "reprocessing" looted items compensate it enough? At last i wonder, why so much people seems to be fixed to Jita. If it's too risky to buy/sell in Jita, then it might be more profitable (in the average) to sell/buy elsewhere for 5 ISK less profit per item? Probably not, but low and nullsec miners will get so rich its not even funny Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Alain Kinsella
104
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Posted - 2012.04.30 10:55:00 -
[184] - Quote
I think there's a misquote going 'round (or perhaps worded it wrong). My suggested 'ban' would go alongside either giving them a real tank (i.e. a Drake) or decent agility (i.e. Blockade Runner). Some of this is based on the common saying around here that 'no ship should out-mine a Hulk,' which in turn makes me keep placing it into the Capital ship class - end-of-the-line.
I do admit the below is a better idea. I'm used to looking over the very long term (1.5-2+ years in Eve's case) as I maintain a tape backups environment. Unfortunately that does cause the occasional 'not seeing what's in front of you.'
There's still the problem of what to do with the Mackinaw and the Procurer. The former really does need a fitting tweak - just a little one. The latter is a challenge, as its only common purpose in life now is being the seed ship for a Skiff.
Tallian Saotome wrote: I don't, in any way what so ever, think that any ship currently allowed in highsec should be removed from it.
I DO think that giving a hulk a bonus to mining ABC ores, ON TOP of what it already has, would be a good thing, as it would provide both a reason for miners to take their hulks down to null, and provide a much needed boost to nullsec industry.
I honestly can understand why you seem so opposed to a 100% buff to hulks, just because it doesn't also buff highsec miners. I happen to like miners, tho I do think most highsec miners do need to HTFU and get over their fear of low and null. I run daily mining ops out in nullsec(I do it from an orca or rorqual) and those that we have are really great dudes, who almost never get mad about losing their hulks, because they realize it happens.
Yes, the rules are different, but you seem to think that mining outside of highsec is fieryhelldeathofdoomincarnate, or that nullsec should not be a more profitable place to be to balance the fact that it is more dangerous(as long as you play smart, highsec is extremely safe, but we get people we KNOW will kill us all the time) and alot more work(do you think sov takes and holds itself?)
Hulks, and exhumers as a whole, could use some buffs to make them more appropriate to sectors of space other than highsec, and this could very easily be done without actually nerfing them for highsec. Give hulks bonuses to mining ABCs, and give Covetors, say, a massive agility boost, so they can get out of danger in lowsec in a reasonable way(grabbed that off the top of my head) and you have just made mining low and nullsec ores a much more viable option, without having to rebalance half the game around it.
Edit: Can you break your paragraphs up so its easy to break the post into multiple quotes for ease of addressing individual points?
I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:03:00 -
[185] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Rants for pages
I don't think your medication is working properly anymore, just saying. Eve never fades is win because it is win, it represents the dream of eve not simply shiny. The good Null sec miners are already filthy rich, and even better.... why don't you go try an get rich in low sec for me? I would be happy to nuke my sec status again if people decided to start doing that.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
645
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:32:00 -
[186] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Rants for pages I don't think your medication is working properly anymore, just saying. Eve never fades is win because it is win, it represents the dream of eve not simply shiny. The good Null sec miners are already filthy rich, and even better.... why don't you go try and get rich in low sec for me? lol I would be happy to nuke my sec status again if people decided to start doing that. All in all, I hope that I have offered proof enough that your medication is no longer effective. Contact your local healthcare professional for dose modification for best results. After a year or too you know, your body gets used to it and then you might as well be taking a placebo. If its a rant, report it, as rants are a violation of the TOS for the forums and will get those posts deleted, and probably me forum banned for a day or 2.
ofc, abusing the reporting system for petty reasons is also a TOS violation, so if I am not actually ranting, but engaging in intelligent debate, you might just get yourself banned
Perhaps we should find out who exactly is ranting without thinking, and who is engaging in some actual intelligent constructive discussion? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:45:00 -
[187] - Quote
Another ridiculous statement, you are on a roll. Half of everyone here would be banned if that was even remotely true. Also, CCP seems to have banned your inappropriate signature. I guess someone at the top doesn't like what you have to say either?
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:50:00 -
[188] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote: I'm sorry that you fail to understand how nullsec survival works. .
lol ah mining in null... *nomming rock* "AAAAH RED/NUL IN SYSTEM" *WARPS to POS/station*
repeat. I felt like a cockroach :p
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Another ridiculous statement, you are on a roll. Half of everyone here would be banned if that was even remotely true. Also, CCP seems to have banned your inappropriate signature. I guess someone at the top doesn't like what you have to say either?
man I hate ppl that bang on the report button when they dont agree with a statement. NOT cause it violates the rules but cause they dont agree...
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Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
20
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:59:00 -
[189] - Quote
I actually agree, to a point, with the OP's post. Anytime an action gets alot of attention by CCP, there's a risk they are going to deem it needs adjusting. Since it appears that suiciding hulks/barges is very popular these days, judging by the amount of crying on the forums, it wouldn't surprise me that CCP has been looking at it. They do have a company to run/keep alive. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Dragoons.
144
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:04:00 -
[190] - Quote
So people overuse\exploite ships into doing things that CCP find undesireable, so CCP ballance them and this is bad? |
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:10:00 -
[191] - Quote
TheBlueMonkey wrote:So people overuse\exploite ships into doing things that CCP find undesireable, so CCP ballance them and this is bad?
I find your ability to read text and miss the point entirely, while at the sometime drawing to wildly misconstrued conclusions, quite mesmerizing. Can you do it again?
* anticipates.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
646
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:16:00 -
[192] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Another ridiculous statement, you are on a roll. Half of everyone here would be banned if that was even remotely true. Also, CCP seems to have banned your inappropriate signature. I guess someone at the top doesn't like what you have to say either? Someone was offended by a song about gynocology and reported me. Was removed as not being eve related, try again
Amanda Holland wrote:
lol ah mining in null... *nomming rock* "AAAAH RED/NUL IN SYSTEM" *WARPS to POS/station*
repeat. I felt like a cockroach :p
Usually, yeah, tho I am usually just permanently parked in the pos myself boosting from an orca or rorqual on my indy alt.
Occasionally tho, I take pity on them and park a carrier in the belt with them, which has the startling effect of causing us to be left alone by 90% of the hostiles that come in, and those that do ignore the hulk to tackle me, giving me a chance to cal in backup while the miners escape.
More than one way to skin a cat. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:19:00 -
[193] - Quote
Tallian Saotome, so what your saying is... someone at the top did not like what you had to say either. Cool. Can we be brosefs now? Just remember to say no homo afterward, else our manly love might be misconstrued by others.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
646
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:24:00 -
[194] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome, so what your saying is... someone at the top did not like what you had to say either. Cool. Can we be brosefs now? Just remember to say no homo afterward, else our manly love might be misconstrued by others. I sure hope you are not one of those hardbears. I'd have to call BS on the no homo in that case Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:27:00 -
[195] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome, so what your saying is... someone at the top did not like what you had to say either. Cool. Can we be brosefs now? Just remember to say no homo afterward, else our manly love might be misconstrued by others. I sure hope you are not one of those hardbears. I'd have to call BS on the no homo in that case
I am not well vised with this new and hip term? Can you explain?
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
646
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:40:00 -
[196] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome, so what your saying is... someone at the top did not like what you had to say either. Cool. Can we be brosefs now? Just remember to say no homo afterward, else our manly love might be misconstrued by others. I sure hope you are not one of those hardbears. I'd have to call BS on the no homo in that case I am not well vised with this new and hip term? Can you explain? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102811&find=unread
Also happens to be a term for a certain type of person in the homosexual community, which makes it exceptionally amusing.
Oh, and just FYI, CCP is reactionary, for the most part. Someone has to report something before they anything about it. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3570
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:42:00 -
[197] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome, so what your saying is... someone at the top did not like what you had to say either. Cool. Can we be brosefs now? Just remember to say no homo afterward, else our manly love might be misconstrued by others. I sure hope you are not one of those hardbears. I'd have to call BS on the no homo in that case I am not well vised with this new and hip term? Can you explain? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102811&find=unreadAlso happens to be a term for a certain type of person in the homosexual community, which makes it exceptionally amusing. Oh, and just FYI, CCP is reactionary, for the most part. Someone has to report something before they anything about it.
Must. Not. Google.... Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:43:00 -
[198] - Quote
His post does not seem to make sense, however your post finally does.
Quote:Oh, and just FYI, CCP is reactionary, for the most part. Someone has to report something before they anything about it.
CCP is reactionary, therefore people must give them a reason to nerf something. How does one give them reason you might ask? By overuse of a ship/tactic/mechanic. Historically, how does CCP tend to react? They get over zealous with the nerfgun and we all suffer for it.
Cause and effect Mr hardbear.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
895
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:47:00 -
[199] - Quote
Brobocop McBro wrote:... I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them...
You do realise that the people who plex are actually worth "more" than you, right?
Worst case scenario for CC (i.e. monthly sub) --> $15.00 PLEX --> $17.50 (well, $17.495) |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3572
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:35:00 -
[200] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:His post does not seem to make sense, however your post finally does. Quote:Oh, and just FYI, CCP is reactionary, for the most part. Someone has to report something before they anything about it. CCP is reactionary, therefore people must give them a reason to nerf something. How does one give them reason you might ask? By overuse of a ship/tactic/mechanic. Historically, how does CCP tend to react? They get over zealous with the nerfgun and we all suffer for it. Cause and effect Mr hardbear.
Well CCP have always openly supported and encouraged Hulkageddon. It drives a number of the goals for the state of the game. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:41:00 -
[201] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:His post does not seem to make sense, however your post finally does. Quote:Oh, and just FYI, CCP is reactionary, for the most part. Someone has to report something before they anything about it. CCP is reactionary, therefore people must give them a reason to nerf something. How does one give them reason you might ask? By overuse of a ship/tactic/mechanic. Historically, how does CCP tend to react? They get over zealous with the nerfgun and we all suffer for it. Cause and effect Mr hardbear. Oh, I can't disagree with you there, entirely. However, it has reached a point where nerfs of this nature are cutting so close to the bone that they will destroy the sandbox. If that happens, well, EVE dies and CCP fails, because the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.
CCP has to ask themselves, a short term, large income, or a long term moderate income.
On top of this, the 'hardcore' players provide most of the content that people come to play EVE for, which means if you alienate them you no longer have stories in the press about Burn Jita, or the Guiding Hand Social Club heist, which have proven to be the absolute best marketing for EVE there is(we all know the CCP generated content is pretty crap, in terms of gameplay). Hulkageddon is one of the most well know player run events that occur in a regular basis.
So, the final question is this: Will CCP keep to the spirit of the game, and leave the sandbox alive, keeping the sure money, or are they going to gamble on the big money from getting the carebear market(also known as casual in wider gaming circles)and risk the company.
And here is where I point out that CCP already tried to gamble on the big money, and Monoclegate was the result.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I am saying that I pray CCP learned their lesson from Incarna, and doesn't make the same mistakes of catering to the carebear crowd again. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
58
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:42:00 -
[202] - Quote
Velicitia wrote:Brobocop McBro wrote:... I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them... You do realise that the people who plex are actually worth "more" than you, right? Worst case scenario for CC (i.e. monthly sub) --> $15.00 PLEX --> $17.50 (well, $17.495)
monthly subs are almost invarient, plex sales would go up and down all the time - ie only one of them is good for real-world going to a bank and securing a line of credit etc - ie a subbed customer like myself is far more valuable than a plexed customer.
Sub also only needs the game to be fun to work, where as plex requires extremely dogged attention to the economy.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
896
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:52:00 -
[203] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:Velicitia wrote:Brobocop McBro wrote:... I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them... You do realise that the people who plex are actually worth "more" than you, right? Worst case scenario for CC (i.e. monthly sub) --> $15.00 PLEX --> $17.50 (well, $17.495) monthly subs are almost invarient, plex sales would go up and down all the time - ie only one of them is good for real-world going to a bank and securing a line of credit etc - ie a subbed customer like myself is far more valuable than a plexed customer. Sub also only needs the game to be fun to work, where as plex requires extremely dogged attention to the economy.
all plex needs is someone willing to shell out $17 for (or $34.95 for a GTC). it's no different than selling any other item from a store.
Sub -> $15 from (player A) on the first of the month PLEX --> $17 from (player B) on the 17th, which is then resold ingame to (Player C) for however many million ISK, and applied to Player C's account on the whateverth.
Now, obviously, having "too many" PLEX out there ends up being a liability (oh, hey, we have to give another "free" month out to everyone because we had two months of unused PLEX sitting in people's hangars from 3 months ago) ... but that's getting a lot farther into economics than I'm familiar with. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:52:00 -
[204] - Quote
Tauranon wrote:Velicitia wrote:Brobocop McBro wrote:... I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them... You do realise that the people who plex are actually worth "more" than you, right? Worst case scenario for CC (i.e. monthly sub) --> $15.00 PLEX --> $17.50 (well, $17.495) monthly subs are almost invarient, plex sales would go up and down all the time - ie only one of them is good for real-world going to a bank and securing a line of credit etc - ie a subbed customer like myself is far more valuable than a plexed customer. Sub also only needs the game to be fun to work, where as plex requires extremely dogged attention to the economy. lol, you think major corporations go to banks for a line of credit based on subscription numbers.
They have investors who study the mechanics of the game(as far as income is concern, not in-game mechanics) and base their decisions on that.
I might also point out here that CCP has effectively kept the icelandic economy afloat, single-handedly, when every other business, and all of their banks, collapsed. Even if they DID have to go to the bank for a line of credit, they would get it becuase they are the ones who did the bail-outs. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch
58
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:31:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Tauranon wrote:Velicitia wrote:Brobocop McBro wrote:... I am the average miner that has 5 accounts and pays their bills every month buying my accounts with a credit card instead of plexing in order to help them... You do realise that the people who plex are actually worth "more" than you, right? Worst case scenario for CC (i.e. monthly sub) --> $15.00 PLEX --> $17.50 (well, $17.495) monthly subs are almost invarient, plex sales would go up and down all the time - ie only one of them is good for real-world going to a bank and securing a line of credit etc - ie a subbed customer like myself is far more valuable than a plexed customer. Sub also only needs the game to be fun to work, where as plex requires extremely dogged attention to the economy. lol, you think major corporations go to banks for a line of credit based on subscription numbers. They have investors who study the mechanics of the game(as far as income is concern, not in-game mechanics) and base their decisions on that. I might also point out here that CCP has effectively kept the icelandic economy afloat, single-handedly, when every other business, and all of their banks, collapsed. Even if they DID have to go to the bank for a line of credit, they would get it becuase they are the ones who did the bail-outs.
Its like 2011 never happened. Seriously CCP cannot use plex based income to sustain the kind of loan they had running in 2011 (reportedly $12mil), nor could they use it to apply for new loans - because it manifestly failed to meet financial objectives and caused them to need to lay off 20% of their staff in 2011. They also indicate that there are about 40,000 people using plexes and gtcs. ie the bulk of the user base is subbed.
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Victor Markov
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:01:00 -
[206] - Quote
I am new to Eve and had little idea what was going on Jita. All I knew is the ship right in front of me exploded. I hung around and took screenshots to show my friends. Now this hulk thing is going on and I was telling my sister in law about and now she wants to try the 21 days free.
Good or bad it is interesting.... this appeals to me. It also makes we wonder in my noob ways, why do people not fight back? Could the Jita attackers not have been pushed out? Can the hulks not take escort? How do the hulks handle it in lowsec? Will this event drive up the cost of raw minerals? Won't this mean people who have stockpiled be making more money?
I am not really sure what the issue is...but I enjoy the fact that it is an issue and the players have this sort of power. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
696
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:02:00 -
[207] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat..
Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything.
* eagerly awaits.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:15:00 -
[208] - Quote
I read enough of this thread to see it change from talking possible nerfs due to overuse of game machanics, to a discussion of PLEX vs subs and the income they generate.
In an attempt to stay on topic (and someone may have already pointed this out): the Boomerang was nerfed because it allowed direct avoidance of Concord, which has always been defined as an exploit, regardless of how creative.
I, too, have been pondering where all the suicide gankage is going. We can speak generically about ship prices and suicide gankers whacking the very players who harvest raw materials, but that seems like ONLY speculation until we see what happens over time. If it gets to the point that the player run economy cannot produce goods that anyone can afford, then I'm sure CCP will do ... something ...
Equally, it is so very far from balanced when a cheap little T1 destroyer can easily gank a ship costing (what?) 100X more. In the name of balance I would expect CCP to eventually do ... something ...
Now defining the "something" and the timining of administrative intervention (the backlash as the OP proposes) is much harder without specific feedback from CCP GMs and DEVs on this level of issue.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:36:00 -
[209] - Quote
Urgg Boolean wrote:Equally, it is so very far from balanced when a cheap little T1 destroyer can easily gank a ship costing (what?) 100X more. In the name of balance I would expect CCP to eventually do ... something ... 30x, i think. Something like a 10mil T2 catalyst to a 330 mil hulk (if it has no tank and none of that fancy faction stuff).
Ratio looks worse if the hulk tanks and you need two catalysts, and of course better if you are somehow able to get the pod, which might have implants. Not easy to get pods in highsec though!
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
696
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:45:00 -
[210] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.. Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything. * eagerly awaits.
Pssssst.... Those stats. Still waiting.
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:51:00 -
[211] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:His post does not seem to make sense, however your post finally does. Quote:Oh, and just FYI, CCP is reactionary, for the most part. Someone has to report something before they anything about it. CCP is reactionary, therefore people must give them a reason to nerf something. How does one give them reason you might ask? By overuse of a ship/tactic/mechanic. Historically, how does CCP tend to react? They get over zealous with the nerfgun and we all suffer for it. Cause and effect Mr hardbear.
I believe the latest nerf I know of the boomerang ting was because a guy came on the forums and blabbed everything youd ever have to know about it then CCP ruled it an exploit. He did it with two or three other things in that same thread and eventually started crying cause CCP was calling all the neat things he figured out exploits.
THEN in subsequent forum posts he bragged how he found the exploit,, exploited its use and the like. Cant remember the guys' name but I havent seen him in a while. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
697
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:55:00 -
[212] - Quote
You are ofc correct, and forum tears is a key venue for nerfage. I vividly remember Hardbears from all over EVE crying buckets of because of falcons.
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:14:00 -
[213] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.. Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything. * eagerly awaits. Pssssst.... Those stats. Still waiting.
stats aside, I think the majority of people that ever played this game qualify by that definition... Otherwise in 9 years we wouldnt have that "hard core learning curve" reuptation thats been illuminated in this memorable picture http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3088/2335016192_6003c39c4c_z.jpg?zz=1
and a population higher than 300k total and 30-50k a day |
Nariya Kentaya
Tartarus Ventures Surely You're Joking
181
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:17:00 -
[214] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote: You are a sad and strange little man, and you have my pity. fix'd that for ya Buzz. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
698
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:59:00 -
[215] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.. Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything. * eagerly awaits.
Ok well, it has been the better part of the day... I guess Tallian Saotome really was just pulling numbers out of his ass. TBH... I suspected.
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Talkietoaster
Orbital Manoeuvres in the Dark CompleXion Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:19:00 -
[216] - Quote
Despite being a care bear deeply believing in the Sandbox (anti Hello Kitty Online) I tend to agree with the OP. "Why don't we just break out the lasers?" --á"An excellent plan, sir, with only two minor drawbacks. One, we don't have a power source for the lasers; and two, we don't have any lasers. " http://gplus.to/talkietoastereve |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:28:00 -
[217] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:the majority carebears are known to be a temporary, short term users, while 'hardcore' players are guaranteed money if you keep them. 'Hardcore' players are a reliable long term revenue stream, and while its not a LARGE revenue stream, its enough to keep the company afloat.. Please direct me to stats that support your assertion? I mean, we would not want people to assume that your pulling numbers out of your ass or anything. * eagerly awaits. Ok well, it has been the better part of the day... I guess Tallian Saotome really was just pulling numbers out of his ass. TBH... I suspected.
like everyone else lol "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
193
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:04:00 -
[218] - Quote
*Cooking up some popcorn*. |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:19:00 -
[219] - Quote
Iamien wrote:*Cooking up some popcorn*.
Why the hell are you necroing old threads?
Get out, pubbie |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
82
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:19:00 -
[220] - Quote
Iamien wrote:*Cooking up some popcorn*.
Necro all day erry day?
Like the GD doesn't have enough junk on the front page already. |
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Kyle Ward
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:38:00 -
[221] - Quote
Its kinda like a trip down memory lane... The Sandbox, you're playing it wrong! |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
240
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:04:00 -
[222] - Quote
I would like to publicly state here that my behavior of ganking miners is in no way shape or form associated with or connected to Hulkageddon V or any future iteration of it. I do it to terrorize those in highsec who feel that they can hide from those of us in low/nullsec and be variably safe.
I've never used any of the questionable tactics you've mentioned. Just good ole-fashioned scout, warp in, gank, warp pod out. So unless they put a big horn on the top of my Catalyst that blares in local "Ze gankerz are comingz! Ze gankers are comingz!" I doubt anything CCP can do will stop me whatsoever...short of making Concordokken 100% instant in any sec status system. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp
120
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:14:00 -
[223] - Quote
Op must be seriously butt hurt. have you ever consider using a tank on your hulk? heaven forbid they start giggling like school girls seeing the gankers get popped when the hulk survives |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
11
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:59:00 -
[224] - Quote
Xython wrote:You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts. And that's not even commenting on the bots -- when you have characters like that one guy with 23 accounts that he mines with 23x7, well, the numbers get a bit... skewed, don't they?
[citation needed]
Also... so what if that Hulk miner is the alt of a nullsec player? Does this somehow magically make their opinion on suicide ganking more positive? More importantly, does it make their subscription fee somehow worth less money than that of a "carebear?" CCP does not care if "half" of those hisec accounts are just alts of nullsec players. If 70% of their subscriptions are in hisec, then 70% of their real world, real money revenue comes from hisec.
If a null-sec player has an extra account that mines/trades in hisec, and they keep getting suicide ganked there, then they may well just cancel that extra account just like any other frustrated hisec miner/trader. That means revenue loss for CCP, and they're going to look at the loss of that extra subscription no differently than the loss of a lone subscription from a purely casual hisec player. It's all the same to their accounting department.
I'm not trying to propagandize either hisec or nullsec lifestyle here, merely pointing out some real-world economic realities that CCP most definitely place higher than anyone personal opinions on which play style is superior. They are a business, they want to make money, and thus if they have any sense they will side with the biggest slice of the pie. If you're "50%" alts are all in hisec, then they're part of that hisec pie no matter how much you love your nullsec mains. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.07.10 21:26:00 -
[225] - Quote
Xython wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alain Kinsella wrote:Just ban Exhumers from High-Sec and be done with it already. You can then tweak them for proper tanks without making them overshadow mining in High. I'll admit it would be an interesting 'backlash' - is it a nerf? I'm not so sure. It's certainly in line with CCPs stated goals of getting more industry out to Null. It would also make Hulkageddon an interesting sport. Suddenly the miners can shoot back. High Sec Bears will never go to null. Hulks can fit no turrets or launchers so the comment about miners shooting back is idiotic. Your knucklehead idea would lose TENS of thousands of subs, and CCP will not want or do that. Any more game killing ideas ? Because a Mining Op is always 100% Hulks and never includes combat ships that are PVP fit and ready to defend the ships. I suppose in Highsec, where after years of bleating at CCP it's somewhat difficult to gank a ship (and even if you are in danger of being ganked, your illegal bot program auto detects this and warps you off) that's true, but in real EVE anyone going it solo like that had better be watching local like a goddaamned hawk or get used to losing ships every few hours. And you know what: I never quite agreed with the idea of killing "the game," but the more I realize that you guys are playing something other than EVE and trying to force the rest of us to play along, the more eager I am to kill YOUR game.
lol so hard at this foolish statement! I do not mine in a hulk, but it would not matter if I did. I have never seen a hulk die to a gank attack in high sec. And I have seen lots of hulks mine right along side of me. Heck I have even watched destroyers warp in and start mining right along side of the hulks. lol!
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Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
12
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Posted - 2012.07.10 21:29:00 -
[226] - Quote
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:If a null-sec player has an extra account that mines/trades in hisec, and they keep getting suicide ganked there, then they may well just cancel that extra account just like any other frustrated hisec miner/trader. .
Thing is a nullsec player (usually) spends enough brain power to figure out how to make the inevitable suicide gank as unlikely as possible, thus maximizing his profits thanks to lower volume of minerals sold by high sec players that don't want to spend said certain amount of time thinking about the problem. And imho the majority of the second group of miners are either bots or very lazy macro miners. At least I hope so for the sake of the future of humanity. |
Apostate Lucius
The Plebian Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.07.10 23:07:00 -
[227] - Quote
Haquer wrote: Get out, pubbie
B-b-b-but, I just got here... Let Caesar never forget, though he may rule with the authority of the gods, he is allowed to rule by the whim of the people. |
Russell Casey
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2012.07.11 00:04:00 -
[228] - Quote
Give these people a gun, tell them it'll make free isk and they'll shoot themselves in the foot every time. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
123
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:11:00 -
[229] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote: they were easy to look past until they were used in excess.
Carebears will say that about the T2 fitted catalysts.
Gankers will say that about AFK hulks in highsec.
What you are doing wrong is implicitly comparing a true sandbox effect to an exploit. Explain "excess" and how you think there is more suicide ganking than, say, people AFK'ing mining in belts. Or running missions.
The fact player actions can have an effect on market prices is what keeps the sandbox running... And EVE is all about the sandbox.
Most highsec miners I know are happy about hulkaggendon since they are making a higher profit while dodging gankers. Those that whine always have had their arguments narrowed down to the fact they simply don't want to fit a proper tank. Either that or they are stealth bots/circular argument trolls. |
stoicfaux
1231
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:16:00 -
[230] - Quote
Color me silly, but isn't the "backlash" to Hulkageddon simply the tiericide of the mining ships scheduled for the winter expansion? Lowered skill requirements plus options for a BS level tank and/or improved AFK mining equals anti-suicide-ganking-miners, high-sec buff, no?
On the down (or up depending on your viewpoint) side, lowering the skill requirements and easier mining should translate into mineral price drops.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:44:00 -
[231] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Color me silly, but isn't the "backlash" to Hulkageddon simply the tiericide of the mining ships scheduled for the winter expansion? Lowered skill requirements plus options for a BS level tank and/or improved AFK mining equals anti-suicide-ganking-miners, high-sec buff, no?
On the down (or up depending on your viewpoint) side, lowering the skill requirements and easier mining should translate into mineral price drops.
Inferno did such a good job of buffing industry like everyone said it would that they want to do it again. [sic] |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
362
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Posted - 2012.07.11 02:54:00 -
[232] - Quote
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:Xython wrote:You're forgetting that roughly half of those highsec characters are nullsec market alts. And that's not even commenting on the bots -- when you have characters like that one guy with 23 accounts that he mines with 23x7, well, the numbers get a bit... skewed, don't they? [citation needed] Also... so what if that Hulk miner is the alt of a nullsec player? Does this somehow magically make their opinion on suicide ganking more positive? More importantly, does it make their subscription fee somehow worth less money than that of a "carebear?" CCP does not care if "half" of those hisec accounts are just alts of nullsec players. If 70% of their subscriptions are in hisec, then 70% of their real world, real money revenue comes from hisec.
That was the percentage of Characters, not accounts or players were in HS at the time of that snapshot.
According to the snapshot, there were 611k Characters in HS, 50k in LS, 90k in Null, and 20k in WH space. Now, EvE does not have 780k accounts, so clearly, the snapshot is not representative of accounts.
(By the way, the QEN Snapshot also showed 37k Characters in Jita)
Unless CCP does a Census, asking people where they consider their home to be and get good, high quality results, the distribution of players is essentially unknowable.
PS: Why would someone in 0.0 have a HS Mining alt? Mining's pretty good in 0.0 -RubyPorto
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PompousDour
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.07.11 04:36:00 -
[233] - Quote
Thread! From the depths of Hell, I summon Thee! |
Tesal
27
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:34:00 -
[234] - Quote
I think ganking is a problem when more people quit because of it than sub because of it. Its a simple cost benefit analysis, ergo if suicide gankers cause too many miners to quit they will get nerfed. There are currently 13k kills on the leader board. with 7k of them being exhumers. The junior league already has 5.7k kills on it, those being newbs for the most part who can't afford or aren't skilled enough to fly an exhumer. Based on the numbers, it seems to definitely be getting out of hand. http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/
Some people in this thread are also a bit confused about the length of Hulkageddon this year. Goons are funding it indefinitely to the tune of 100m isk per 10 exhumers killed. Indefinitely as in never ending. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1627
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:39:00 -
[235] - Quote
Tesal wrote:I think ganking is a problem when more people quit because of it than sub because of it. Its a simple cost benefit analysis, ergo if suicide gankers cause too many miners to quit they will get nerfed. There are currently 13k kills on the leader board. with 7k of them being exhumers. The junior league already has 5.7k kills on it, those being newbs for the most part who can't afford or aren't skilled enough to fly an exhumer. Based on the numbers, it seems to definitely be getting out of hand. http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/Some people in this thread are also a bit confused about the length of Hulkageddon this year. Goons are funding it indefinitely to the tune of 100m isk per 10 exhumers killed. Indefinitely as in never ending.
M0o caused more damage yet EVE continued to grow. EVE thrives on this stuff. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:14:00 -
[236] - Quote
All the tools you need to stop us are in the game. So far, crying and empty threats haven't worked. Time to try something new. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1174
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Posted - 2012.07.11 06:20:00 -
[237] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:All the tools you need to stop us are in the game. So far, crying and empty threats haven't worked. Time to try something new. No, they just need to keep pushing that string, it'll pay off ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
362
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:00:00 -
[238] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tesal wrote:I think ganking is a problem when more people quit because of it than sub because of it. Its a simple cost benefit analysis, ergo if suicide gankers cause too many miners to quit they will get nerfed. There are currently 13k kills on the leader board. with 7k of them being exhumers. The junior league already has 5.7k kills on it, those being newbs for the most part who can't afford or aren't skilled enough to fly an exhumer. Based on the numbers, it seems to definitely be getting out of hand. http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/Some people in this thread are also a bit confused about the length of Hulkageddon this year. Goons are funding it indefinitely to the tune of 100m isk per 10 exhumers killed. Indefinitely as in never ending. M0o caused more damage yet EVE continued to grow. EVE thrives on this stuff.
And Zombies did more concentrated damage than Burn Jita for much cheaper, masters of efficiency, those recycled corpses are. -RubyPorto
IB4TS |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
238
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Posted - 2012.07.11 07:16:00 -
[239] - Quote
Burn them all! Rifters will be the only affordable ship in Eve in no time. Besides rookie ships of course. EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1174
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Posted - 2012.07.11 09:04:00 -
[240] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:Burn them all! Rifters will be the only affordable ship in Eve in no time. Besides rookie ships of course. Rifers <3
Take you seen the T2 blaster fitted Ibis? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
62
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Posted - 2012.07.11 09:11:00 -
[241] - Quote
Poasting in a zombie butthurt thread. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Mallak Azaria
303
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:11:00 -
[242] - Quote
Ganking Exhumers for amusment has become less amusing. I'm going to switch to ganking mission runners. They are the new blight of highsec. |
Private Pineapple
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
225
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:31:00 -
[243] - Quote
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made CCP look at and nerf the boomerang.
What?
Eternum Praetorian wrote:You made them notice that abandoning your drones was a bannable offense.
What? I am the Kingpin of the Crime and Punishment forum.
I am the rightful heir to the CSM 8 throne.
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Tesal
27
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:25:00 -
[244] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Tesal wrote:I think ganking is a problem when more people quit because of it than sub because of it. Its a simple cost benefit analysis, ergo if suicide gankers cause too many miners to quit they will get nerfed. There are currently 13k kills on the leader board. with 7k of them being exhumers. The junior league already has 5.7k kills on it, those being newbs for the most part who can't afford or aren't skilled enough to fly an exhumer. Based on the numbers, it seems to definitely be getting out of hand. http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/Some people in this thread are also a bit confused about the length of Hulkageddon this year. Goons are funding it indefinitely to the tune of 100m isk per 10 exhumers killed. Indefinitely as in never ending. M0o caused more damage yet EVE continued to grow. EVE thrives on this stuff.
Yah, and tankable concord got nerfed. Point made.
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baltec1
Bat Country
1629
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Posted - 2012.07.11 17:31:00 -
[245] - Quote
Tesal wrote:
Yah, and tankable concord got nerfed. Point made.
They hit EVE trade lanes 3 times more after the nerf Granted not as grand but they still caused chaos. |
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