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Luxior
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:44:00 -
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Hey so my computer is currently being fixed or otherwise I would check myself...(right now im using a laptop that can't run eve :-( )
Have T3 ships (specifically the Tengu) hit the market yet and if so whats the price?
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TimMc
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:48:00 -
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lol not even close.
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Krennel Darius
Caldari New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2009.03.15 23:55:00 -
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And even if they had, you'd be paying billions of Isk to get one.
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CrestoftheStars
Caldari Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2009.03.16 13:44:00 -
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a eta on this, any idea's ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded |
Bimjo
Caldari SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2009.03.16 13:50:00 -
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Is this the one where you have to reverse engineer a relic or similar ? ====================
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Nadezhda Andropov
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Posted - 2009.03.16 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: CrestoftheStars a eta on this, any idea's
I have an idea that maybe you should get a damp piece of kitchen towel and wipe your forehead with it, someone's scribbled with felt-tip pen on it
As for the T3 ships...well, it's anyone's guess isn't it really? I think the first ones were technically supposed to be coming off the production lines at the weekend, assuming parts collection went according to plan. I think, though.
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Bimjo
Caldari SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2009.03.16 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Bimjo Is this the one where you have to reverse engineer a relic or similar ?
aahh yes it is, reverse engineer hull and 5 subsystems,then when you have appropriate blueprints you can start building it EVE WIKI : HOW TO BUILD T3 Cruisers
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Etien Aldragoran
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.16 14:02:00 -
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Very close. Keep your eyes to the Sales forum. I know several people have already reverse engineered individual bpcs but we've not seen anyone spit out quite the volume or range of ships and subsystems that we've got cooking.
As for price, it will be driven by demand and how badly people want to own the first tech 3 ships for the foreseeable future thanks to the time and effort it takes to make these things.
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:02:00 -
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T3 Ship hull BPC's hit the contracts market last night saw a 3 run Tengu BPC up for 1 Bil and a 3 run Loki up for 1.5 Bil. Given that they have just started to pop up it shouldnt be to much longer until we see the subsystem BPC's going up, im expecting the first subsystem BPC's to be around 500mil to 750mil per.
At those prices to build say 3 Tengu's with all 5 sub systems, it will cost around 12 Bil just for the BPC's. Add to that the cost of the t3 salvage and fullerene's, the cost of the pos mods to do t3 reactions and t3 hull and subsystem construction, pos running cost's, normal mat's and T3 component bpo's. The final cost's per ship at current prices are going to be VERY high right now. Im guessing over 6bil at the current prices per ship + 5 subsystems. That's Most of that cost is just on the BPC's alone.
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Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: DrefsabZN T3 Ship hull BPC's hit the contracts market last night saw a 3 run Tengu BPC up for 1 Bil and a 3 run Loki up for 1.5 Bil. Given that they have just started to pop up it shouldnt be to much longer until we see the subsystem BPC's going up, im expecting the first subsystem BPC's to be around 500mil to 750mil per.
At those prices to build say 3 Tengu's with all 5 sub systems, it will cost around 12 Bil just for the BPC's. Add to that the cost of the t3 salvage and fullerene's, the cost of the pos mods to do t3 reactions and t3 hull and subsystem construction, pos running cost's, normal mat's and T3 component bpo's. The final cost's per ship at current prices are going to be VERY high right now. Im guessing over 6bil at the current prices per ship + 5 subsystems. That's Most of that cost is just on the BPC's alone.
To me, this begs the argument that anybody rich enough to afford them wouldn't be stupid enough to buy them. It's far better to play with them on Singularity. I think one way to make t3 ships more afforable would be to make wormholes more stable and increase the length of time they stay open. -- Eventus stultorum magister. |
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
To me, this begs the argument that anybody rich enough to afford them wouldn't be stupid enough to buy them. It's far better to play with them on Singularity. I think one way to make t3 ships more afforable would be to make wormholes more stable and increase the length of time they stay open.
Don't get me wrong I think these prices are insane and you wont catch me paying them, me and my guys are building our own t3 ships the hardware rather than pay those silly prices. But even then its a lot of effort still.
I think its just early days prices will come down as more supply hits the market, but theres people out there with insane amounts of isk and they will pay to be one of the first to be in a t3.
That being said I think if they made some of the artifact's and fullerene's a little bit more abundant then that should help things out as well as thats where our main efforts are focused, finding that damned C540 is proving to be fun and the only artifacts we have found so far have been the wrecked ones.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Inhumation Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:34:00 -
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I've heard reports of them flying around already, but I don't think selling them on the market will be sufficiently profitable for a little while yet
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 15:37:00 -
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those relic and BPC's must fear in some isk for the person who got them =)
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Bethulsunamen
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.03.16 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 16/03/2009 16:15:40 I dont understand why the ships will cost in the Billions, when the friggin salvage and loot sells for like 1000 isk a piece.. Yeah i know the prices are ****ed up right now, but still. If they get parts that cheap (98% below regional average) then the damn finished ship shouldnt cost more than a T1 Battleship to be honest ^_^
The only reason i'm waiting for T3 ships to start being mass-produced is so the Sleeper salvage and loot prices will finally stabilize so i can sell my stuff, at least for more money than friggin K-Space salvage ^_^
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Tzigan Jegos
Dirty Gypsies Trading Co.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 16:43:00 -
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Hint: If you lose your tech 3 ship, you will lose a single level of one (random) racial subsystems skill. For example, you are flying the Amarr Legion ship and your subsystems skills are all at level 3. You are attacked and lose the ship, the system selects one random subsystems skill and brings it down to level 2. Please note that you do not lose skills if you eject from or self destruct a tech 3 ship
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So lose a ship, lose skillpoints ? That sucks. Good thing they're rank 1 skills. The dog that trots about finds a bone. - Gypsy proverb |
Borsek
Gallente A.A.A space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2009.03.16 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bethulsunamen Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 16/03/2009 16:15:40 I dont understand why the ships will cost in the Billions, when the friggin salvage and loot sells for like 1000 isk a piece.. Yeah i know the prices are ****ed up right now, but still. If they get parts that cheap (98% below regional average) then the damn finished ship shouldnt cost more than a T1 Battleship to be honest ^_^
The only reason i'm waiting for T3 ships to start being mass-produced is so the Sleeper salvage and loot prices will finally stabilize so i can sell my stuff, at least for more money than friggin K-Space salvage ^_^
That would be possible if you would get BPOs from reverse engineering... then the prices would drop to normal levels :) I eat pie, then you die. |
DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: DrefsabZN on 16/03/2009 17:02:11
Originally by: Bethulsunamen Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 16/03/2009 16:15:40 I dont understand why the ships will cost in the Billions, when the friggin salvage and loot sells for like 1000 isk a piece.. Yeah i know the prices are ****ed up right now, but still. If they get parts that cheap (98% below regional average) then the damn finished ship shouldnt cost more than a T1 Battleship to be honest ^_^
The only reason i'm waiting for T3 ships to start being mass-produced is so the Sleeper salvage and loot prices will finally stabilize so i can sell my stuff, at least for more money than friggin K-Space salvage ^_^
If you had a look at all the cost's involved you would see why for the moment they cost those prices. First of all Fullerene-C540 costs between 2.5 and 4mil per unit at the moment. You need 250 units to build 1 T3 ship thats 625mil at best right there. There are other rare components and Fullerene's which also push up the price.
You then need to get the BPC's, you ether have to buy them at over 1bil for just the hull bpc (you still would need the 5 subsystem bpc's), or reverse engineer them yourself. To RE them you will need artifacts, hybrid decryptor's, t3 data cores oh and the pos to do all this at. None of this is going to be cheap for a while.
The supply of T3 ships will be governed by the supply of BPC's from what I can tell. Its not been going long enough to see exactly what that will settle down to but its going to be a lot harder to get the BPC's than to just get a t1 battleship built.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Borsek That would be possible if you would get BPOs from reverse engineering... then the prices would drop to normal levels :)
Why, I got a set of BPOs from T30....
*runs and hides* -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Anisa Schardl
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:22:00 -
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People need to stop crying to CCP to make changes, and realize this for what it is : a brand new market. It will take it a long time to saturate and reach a state that even remotely resembles equilibrium.
Right now, it can be approximated to a luxuries market with very low supply. Aka, the prices for most people will seem beyond ludicrous.
If you're a normal person just waiting to buy, give it six months. Then come back and the prices MAY have stabilized. Again, the entire market has to saturate, this isn't just a new ship being built with old components. For comparison, the Orca WAS a new ship being built with old components, and it took over two months for the price to fall to it's current level.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bethulsunamen Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 16/03/2009 16:15:40 I dont understand why the ships will cost in the Billions, when the friggin salvage and loot sells for like 1000 isk a piece.. Yeah i know the prices are ****ed up right now, but still. If they get parts that cheap (98% below regional average) then the damn finished ship shouldnt cost more than a T1 Battleship to be honest ^_^
The only reason i'm waiting for T3 ships to start being mass-produced is so the Sleeper salvage and loot prices will finally stabilize so i can sell my stuff, at least for more money than friggin K-Space salvage ^_^
Slavage is just a small part of the whole picture. You could spend days mining gas non-stop just to get enough units of gas to make a few t3 ships. Even at veldspar mining rats, thats a lot of time that people will expect compensation for. --
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: DrefsabZN Don't get me wrong I think these prices are insane and you wont catch me paying them, me and my guys are building our own t3 ships the hardware rather than pay those silly prices. But even then its a lot of effort still.
"If I build it myself, it's free".
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Katy Karkinoff
Minmatar Psycho Chicks
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: DrefsabZN Don't get me wrong I think these prices are insane and you wont catch me paying them, me and my guys are building our own t3 ships the hardware rather than pay those silly prices. But even then its a lot of effort still.
"If I build it myself, it's free".
or he's saying that he'll build them himself evading the price gouge people put on components for new stuff. Internalize the labor means no people inflating cost 500000%
weird.
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:37:00 -
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lol I certainly don't think its free I value the time of me and my corp mates more than that :P I just think that its better for us than buying stuff at current market prices :D Besides its that nice feeling knowing that you actually made it yourselves :D
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Bethulsunamen Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 16/03/2009 16:15:40 I dont understand why the ships will cost in the Billions, when the friggin salvage and loot sells for like 1000 isk a piece.. Yeah i know the prices are ****ed up right now, but still. If they get parts that cheap (98% below regional average) then the damn finished ship shouldnt cost more than a T1 Battleship to be honest ^_^
The only reason i'm waiting for T3 ships to start being mass-produced is so the Sleeper salvage and loot prices will finally stabilize so i can sell my stuff, at least for more money than friggin K-Space salvage ^_^
Slavage is just a small part of the whole picture. You could spend days mining gas non-stop just to get enough units of gas to make a few t3 ships. Even at veldspar mining rats, thats a lot of time that people will expect compensation for.
You need slaves to build them?
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Bethulsunamen
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: DrefsabZN Edited by: DrefsabZN on 16/03/2009 17:02:11
Originally by: Bethulsunamen Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 16/03/2009 16:15:40 I dont understand why the ships will cost in the Billions, when the friggin salvage and loot sells for like 1000 isk a piece.. Yeah i know the prices are ****ed up right now, but still. If they get parts that cheap (98% below regional average) then the damn finished ship shouldnt cost more than a T1 Battleship to be honest ^_^
The only reason i'm waiting for T3 ships to start being mass-produced is so the Sleeper salvage and loot prices will finally stabilize so i can sell my stuff, at least for more money than friggin K-Space salvage ^_^
If you had a look at all the cost's involved you would see why for the moment they cost those prices. First of all Fullerene-C540 costs between 2.5 and 4mil per unit at the moment. You need 250 units to build 1 T3 ship thats 625mil at best right there. There are other rare components and Fullerene's which also push up the price.
You then need to get the BPC's, you ether have to buy them at over 1bil for just the hull bpc (you still would need the 5 subsystem bpc's), or reverse engineer them yourself. To RE them you will need artifacts, hybrid decryptor's, t3 data cores oh and the pos to do all this at. None of this is going to be cheap for a while.
The supply of T3 ships will be governed by the supply of BPC's from what I can tell. Its not been going long enough to see exactly what that will settle down to but its going to be a lot harder to get the BPC's than to just get a t1 battleship built.
Really? I think i might take up gas-harvesting then, seems profitable :D Got a few WH systems mapped out with plenty of gas-sites. Why fight Sleepers if there's more profit to be had from the gas? Thanks for the tip =P
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 17:43:00 -
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Good luck on finding the C540 sites they are rare hence the nice price tag, still if you find them you can make some good isk even if you sell at a fair price.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.16 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: DrefsabZN lol I certainly don't think its free I value the time of me and my corp mates more than that :P I just think that its better for us than buying stuff at current market prices :D Besides its that nice feeling knowing that you actually made it yourselves :D
Or you could sell the ship right now, while the market prices are still huge, and wait a few weeks for your own ships once prices are more setled.
If you don't do that, it's the same as you buying it directly from someone else at those insane prices. It's isks you don't get compared to isks removed from your wallet, but either way, you just have now in your hangar a ship worth XX isks. ------------------------------------------
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DrefsabZN
Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.16 18:34:00 -
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Thats basically what im talking to my guys about doing, as long as we can sell stuff at great prices Im saying do it, who cares if we arnt some of the first people flying around in t3's. Lets get a fat corp wallet and then do our own ships when things settle down.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.03.16 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Katy Karkinoff
Originally by: Gypsio III
Originally by: DrefsabZN Don't get me wrong I think these prices are insane and you wont catch me paying them, me and my guys are building our own t3 ships the hardware rather than pay those silly prices. But even then its a lot of effort still.
"If I build it myself, it's free".
or he's saying that he'll build them himself evading the price gouge people put on components for new stuff. Internalize the labor means no people inflating cost 500000%
weird.
It doesn't work like that. If the sell price of a T3 cruiser is 2 bill (complete with 500000% mark-ups), then a T3 cruiser that he builds internally is still worth 2 bill - because that's what it can be sold for.
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Hrothgar Doran
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Posted - 2009.03.16 19:53:00 -
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Offering a perhaps overly pessimistic view, is there a chance that the tech three market won't stabilize properly ever? (and somebody please point out some huge flaw in this)
Tech three ships are still only cruisers, and once the novelty has worn off, will the demand/supply ever right out to reduce the prices to something more then tech two ships, but still not a rediculously priced luxury for a very few lucky people in eve (or damned hard workers)
They take a lot to produce, and certainly the tech three industry alone is something that could keep busy a corp of hundreds easily, but will there be such a corp?
Like I said before, somebody please shoot me out of the water, I want my Proteus with 36km disruptor range
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