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Zhor Blade
Domtar Industrial Research and Exploration Company
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:14:00 -
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Anyone ever experience an extra amount of traffic during Hulkageddon? Seems WHs would be a pretty decent target. |
discordigant
Doomheim
34
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:17:00 -
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This doesn't affect us at all. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
219
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:22:00 -
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Zhor Blade wrote:Anyone ever experience an extra amount of traffic during Hulkageddon? Seems WHs would be a pretty decent target.
They aren't already? It takes just as long to find miners before and after miners during Hulkageddon. Only a dumbass would waste time looking for hulks in wspace when they can gank one by warping to the top belt in any highsec. |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
23
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:25:00 -
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in wh there is 24/7 Hulgageddon. |
Nemo deBlanc
Phoibe Enterprises
28
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:56:00 -
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You're kidding, right? WH's are a horrible target. You bring a few ships in hulk-hunting, there's a very good chance they'll never make it back to high sec.
And just to echo the above, this doesn't affect us. At all. I literally could not care less what happens in high sec. If every high sec ship in the game spontaneously combusted tomorrow, I'd probably lol. |
Drunein
Lockheed Nighthawk
9
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:13:00 -
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Hulkageddon is for all those kids that don't know how to operate without a system member list.
Us WH pilots play POSageddon. |
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
36
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:27:00 -
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Nemo deBlanc wrote:You're kidding, right? WH's are a horrible target. You bring a few ships in hulk-hunting, there's a very good chance they'll never make it back to high sec.
And just to echo the above, this doesn't affect us. At all. I literally could not care less what happens in high sec. If every high sec ship in the game spontaneously combusted tomorrow, I'd probably lol.
I'd dance a jig! Especially the mission fit and pvp t3's! You know how much that would push the prices up for our parts!?! |
Leontyne Gaterau
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
50
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Posted - 2012.04.29 12:06:00 -
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I like Hulkageddon because I like shooting sleepers.
Did you see what I did there? Didya? Didya? |
Lexylia
1ST GERMAN POPPLERS CORPORATION
5
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:11:00 -
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Maggeridon Thoraz wrote:in wh there is 24/7 Hulgageddon.
This man speak the truth |
Pythag Malikai
Project Longshot
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:30:00 -
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The only way you're catching Hulks in WH space is if they're asleep at the wheel (e.g. not watching D-Scan). Of course, since mining is crazy boring, I'm sure the number of people who aren't watching D-Scan is actually pretty high.
I personally haven't seen much luck in catching miners in Grav sites in wormholes. |
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Zhor Blade
Domtar Industrial Research and Exploration Company
3
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:44:00 -
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Yeah. The only reason I was asking is because I do find myself only checking d-scan every 3-5 minutes while mining Gravs. I'm in a C1 with lowsec static so I don't get a lot of visitors.
I figured I couldn't be the only one letting my guard down on occasion. Of course I would still probably see the probes before they actually pinned me down though. Hopefully. |
Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services Exotic Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:12:00 -
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Zhor Blade wrote: Of course I would still probably see the probes before they actually pinned me down though. Hopefully.
If someone who is hunting you really knows what he is doing....his probes should be visible on your dscan for 10~12 seconds max. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
56
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:55:00 -
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Vjorn Angannon wrote:Zhor Blade wrote: Of course I would still probably see the probes before they actually pinned me down though. Hopefully. If someone who is hunting you really knows what he is doing....his probes should be visible on your dscan for 10~12 seconds max.
Lies.
You are quite safe mining in WH space. Keep doing it! Don't listen to the haters. |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
277
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:22:00 -
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Just remember hi sec miners; wormholes are totally safe and you can totally come mine in them. Nothing bad will happen at all. |
Lexylia
1ST GERMAN POPPLERS CORPORATION
5
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:29:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Just remember hi sec miners; wormholes are totally safe and you can totally come mine in them. Nothing bad will happen at all.
100% truth we respect minier and thier part of keep the economy run. |
Mumtaz Khan
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
40
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Posted - 2012.04.29 19:24:00 -
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We get a lot of extra traffic when we get high sec exits, because we are sending out swarms of catalysts to kill all miners, haulers, and salvagers. This sec status isn't going to wreck itself, y'know. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.04.29 20:31:00 -
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I can confirm, mining in a WH is safe.. i have yet to loose a hulk to a suicide ganker in a destroyer.. even after the buff to their damage. Missile enhancers.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1235061& |
Malkev
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM
47
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Posted - 2012.04.29 20:33:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:Just remember hi sec miners; wormholes are totally safe and you can totally come mine in them. Nothing bad will happen at all. And even if something bad does happen, just wait an hour or so and go back to mining in the same site! |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
720
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:18:00 -
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ppl may make semi-sarcastic "w-space mining is safe" comments but, IMO, it **is** safer than highsec mining ... providing you do it properly.
If you're in a grav site then probes are needed to find you GÇô either at the time or to locate the site beforehand.
If your intending attacker scans down the sites beforehand and waits or comes back then thereGÇÖs not an awful lot you can do about that except be aligned, watchful, and cautious GǪ and a stationary miner is not highly likely to get into warp before a covops frig gets a point on him (except if said frig is piloted by an incompetent like me). OFC DS-spamming is all you have to protect you against the incoming non-covops and even the most cautious miner will have trouble maintaining adequate frequency of DS checks for the long time you spend harvesting that high-end ore.
If your attacker has not pre-scanned the sites he does not need to have probes within your DS detection range for an awful long time. So, again your main protector is DS-spamming.
OFC, another element of GÇ£doing it properlyGÇ¥ is the management of your wormholes. I usually mined when I had a very secure system. I would collapse the static and not activate the new one, and I would have no other active wormholes in-system. While mining I always had my scanner-dood cloaked with a max-range DS probe deployed GǪ looking for new wormholes spawning and / or unexpected ships in system. If a new sig appeared IGÇÖd keep mining and heGÇÖd scan the sig to see if it was a new wormhole GǪ all the while keeping a watch for any ships coming thru it. If an unexpected ship appeared, without a new WH spawning, itGÇÖd be everyone heading back to the POS right away GǪ coz we got ourselves a camper.
My other observation, from my last few weeks of intensively hunting through low-end w-space, is that not an awful lot of w-space mining is going on out there. When I find an active system the activity is sleeper-killing 90+% of the time. The vast majority of the rest is industry / PI and twice they were harvesting gas. Only once, out of a hundred or so systems recently visited, have I found mining ships in space GǪ and they packed up and logged just as I located the grav site
So, as for Hulkageddon impacting w-space miners - ROFL! Any w-space miner who gets caught is prolly dead anyways, whether or not hulkageddon is happening. The majority of ppl who do hulkageddon (rawrrr, moar, & yo ho ho) are usually not up to coping with w-space dynamics and I reckon the likelihood of them getting themselves killed, rather than their intended targets, is prolly pretty high. Yawn!!
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discordigant
Doomheim
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:26:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:ppl may make semi-sarcastic "w-space mining is safe" comments but, IMO, it **is** safer than highsec mining ... providing you do it properly. If you're in a grav site then probes are needed to find you GÇô either at the time or to locate the site beforehand. If your intending attacker scans down the sites beforehand and waits or comes back then thereGÇÖs not an awful lot you can do about that except be aligned, watchful, and cautious GǪ and a stationary miner is not highly likely to get into warp before a covops frig gets a point on him (except if said frig is piloted by an incompetent like me). OFC DS-spamming is all you have to protect you against the incoming non-covops and even the most cautious miner will have trouble maintaining adequate frequency of DS checks for the long time you spend harvesting that high-end ore. If your attacker has not pre-scanned the sites he does not need to have probes within your DS detection range for an awful long time. So, again your main protector is DS-spamming. OFC, another element of GÇ£doing it properlyGÇ¥ is the management of your wormholes. I usually mined when I had a very secure system. I would collapse the static and not activate the new one, and I would have no other active wormholes in-system. While mining I always had my scanner-dood cloaked with a max-range DS probe deployed GǪ looking for new wormholes spawning and / or unexpected ships in system. If a new sig appeared IGÇÖd keep mining and heGÇÖd scan the sig to see if it was a new wormhole GǪ all the while keeping a watch for any ships coming thru it. If an unexpected ship appeared, without a new WH spawning, itGÇÖd be everyone heading back to the POS right away GǪ coz we got ourselves a camper. My other observation, from my last few weeks of intensively hunting through low-end w-space, is that not an awful lot of w-space mining is going on out there. When I find an active system the activity is sleeper-killing 90+% of the time. The vast majority of the rest is industry / PI and twice they were harvesting gas. Only once, out of a hundred or so systems recently visited, have I found mining ships in space GǪ and they packed up and logged just as I located the grav site So, as for Hulkageddon impacting w-space miners - ROFL! Any w-space miner who gets caught is prolly dead anyways, whether or not hulkageddon is happening. The majority of ppl who do hulkageddon (rawrrr, moar, & yo ho ho) are usually not up to coping with w-space dynamics and I reckon the likelihood of them getting themselves killed, rather than their intended targets, is prolly pretty high. Yawn!!
Some solid advice for people new to WH's, if you take every precaution your only threat should be a camper that has previously scanned down the grav and lies in wait for hours in the hope you crush connections and start mining.
But that's if you err like mining i suppose. |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:38:00 -
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Is there any reason why people don't use probes instead of D-Scanners?
Bubbles for "hee-hee" factor seem cheap as well. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
720
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:52:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Is there any reason why people don't use probes instead of D-Scanners? Bubbles for "hee-hee" factor seem cheap as well.
In w-space people **do** use probes, they **do** use DS, and they also **do** use bubbles. Not clear, otherwise, what you might actually be asking. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:08:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Is there any reason why people don't use probes instead of D-Scanners? Bubbles for "hee-hee" factor seem cheap as well. In w-space people **do** use probes, they **do** use DS, and they also **do** use bubbles. Not clear, otherwise, what you might actually be asking.
Why DS over Probes for passive watching? |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
720
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:40:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Why DS over Probes for passive watching?
ItGÇÖs not really a case of GÇ£DS over ProbesGÇ¥. They both have benefits and disadvantages, alongside using the system scanner without probes. Using all three, and choosing what to use in which situation, equips you with a powerful suite of detection and location tools.
The DS is entirely undetectable so you can watch without being seen. That is a fantastic GÇÿproGÇÖ. The cons of the DS include its limited range (managed by selecting where you DS from) and inability to provide warp-to locations on ships or comic signatures.
Probes can be seen on DS if theyGÇÖre in range. Although I regularly monitor systems by placing a single deep-space probe way off out in deep space and setting it to 256AU, that way itGÇÖs only potentially visible for the few seconds it takes me to set it up and the fraction of a second when/if I recall it. Probes, however, do allow you to establish warpable locations for ships and for cosmic signatures.
Using the system scanner without probes is also undetectable, and will provide you with warpable bookmarks for the cosmic anomalies that are within range. Like the DS, though, it will not provide warpable bookmarks for ships or cosmic anomalies.
The only way (short of being in a fleet with them) to warp to a ship in space or in a cosmic signature is to use probes to locate either the ship or the cosmic signature. A ship in a cosmic anomaly can be found without the use of probes, by locating the anomaly with your system scanner. Often the DS can be used to sort out which anomaly theyGÇÖre at, by checking at different distances and cross referring to the system scanner output.
Similarly you can find POSes, and ships at POSes, solely by the use of your DS GǪ without dropping a single probe to give yourself away.
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illy velo
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
24
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:03:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote: Probes can be seen on DS if theyGÇÖre in range. Although I regularly monitor systems by placing a single deep-space probe way off out in deep space and setting it to 256AU,
Confirming that you do this...
I remember having you guys in our last WH and frustrating the hell out of us. |
Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial
720
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:00:00 -
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illy velo wrote:Confirming that you do this...
Hey, thanks for the confirmation ... altho I doubt many ppl'd think I was making that bit up
illy velo wrote:I remember having you guys in our last WH and frustrating the hell out of us.
Not sure which system that might be, but we do get to visit lots and lots and are usually camping several at any one time.
If we did have ppl in your system they would prolly be doing that if they were hunting, gathering opposing force data, or watching for habits. If they were hunting for kills they'd prolly have worked out your quiet times and scanned the sigs / anoms then, and would only drop a single deep space probe, way out in deep space, while you're active. If they were harrassing they'd prolly be putting the probes in close, within the confines of the system, so you could see them on DS. The w-space equivalent to an afk cloaky in sov null, but only good for an hour at a time.
In the first case they'd be not wanting to be 'seen' . In the second they'd be wanting their presence to be known, but their exact activities and purpose not. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
Haulie Berry
86
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:01:00 -
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Pythag Malikai wrote:The only way you're catching Hulks in WH space is if they're asleep at the wheel (e.g. not watching D-Scan).
It takes a little bit of dedication, but if you do it right, D-scan will not save them. |
Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
277
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:04:00 -
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For those interested in more on d-scanning and how it can save your bum in a hole, check the d-scan thread in this subforum. |
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