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Zack Janeway
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Posted - 2009.03.18 04:56:00 -
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I am the happy owner of that Caldari Destroyer parked over there and have been for a few days. After looking in the item database, I see that none of the cruisers are anywhere near my destroyer in turret points. Should I just skip them and go to BBs? What BB(tech 1) has the most turrets? What skill do I need to inject BB training? KTHXBAI
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Stateless101
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:01:00 -
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don't skill up to fast it pays to master frigs first
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:01:00 -
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Yes cruisers are useless. They only make up 40% of all ships you can fly.
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Zack Janeway
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:04:00 -
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@stateless: I think I was pretty good at frigs untill I got my rear kicked by some cruisers and rouge drones.
@wolfblood: Please no sarcastic comments. I an here for help. Not flaming.
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:07:00 -
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BB? you talking about a blackbird?
Since your caldari then yes, skipping cruisers wont hurt since they are for the most part, completely worthless with exception of the blackbird. Since your a gunnery person, you should get a Moa at least for your missions until you can afford the ferrox.
That aside, are you doing missions or pvp or both or mining etc etc. Each ship has their uses, but in general caldari cruisers are underpowered against the rest out there.
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:12:00 -
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Just messing with ya man. BB= Battle Ships. Master every class ship first.
Frig to 5, mechanic to 5, and engenering to 5 get you assault ships (T2 frigs). After assault ships you need cruiser 5 weapon upgrades to 5 space ship command to 5, then i think you can get into heavy assault ships. Thats if you wanna go the PvP route.
What do you want to do in EvE exactly?
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Psionist
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hurtado Soneka BB? you talking about a blackbird?
Since your caldari then yes, skipping cruisers wont hurt since they are for the most part, completely worthless with exception of the blackbird. Since your a gunnery person, you should get a Moa at least for your missions until you can afford the ferrox.
That aside, are you doing missions or pvp or both or mining etc etc. Each ship has their uses, but in general caldari cruisers are underpowered against the rest out there.
BB is a military acronym for battleship.
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hurtado Soneka BB? you talking about a blackbird?
Since your caldari then yes, skipping cruisers wont hurt since they are for the most part, completely worthless with exception of the blackbird. Since your a gunnery person, you should get a Moa at least for your missions until you can afford the ferrox.
That aside, are you doing missions or pvp or both or mining etc etc. Each ship has their uses, but in general caldari cruisers are underpowered against the rest out there.
Caldari ships in general are fleet ships. They all have a specific role to play in the fleet. Caldari are horrible in 1v1 combat but in specifc roles they rock.
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Stateless101
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:15:00 -
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dont underestimate a competent pilot with a t1 frig, let alone t2 as for cruisers, try the vexor, it can handle level 1, 2, and 3 mishes with ease
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:25:00 -
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Assuming youre doing pve and short on cash. Yes you want to upgrade to the moa and then the ferox. Missiles are better but if you want to train hybrids thats the path to follow, and if you skip cruisers it will take longer to get the money together for a ferox.
Honestly, youll really be much happier with the reformance of missiles for pve. The path would be caracal->drake. And the drake is definitley a better ship than the ferox for many reasons.
Also more turrets doesnt mean much. First destroyers get a 25% penalty to rate of fire which turns 8->6. And cruisers sized guns are simply much more powerful.
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Psionist
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Stateless101 Edited by: Stateless101 on 18/03/2009 05:18:24 dont underestimate a competent pilot with a t1 frig, let alone t2 as for cruisers, try the vexor, it can handle level 1, 2, and 3 mishes with ease if u dont wanna crosstrain, follow Hurtado's advice, sniping is great for NPCs and fleet support
Too true. I've seen a gang of newly-created characters in punishers (amarr frigate) take out some mining groups and escorts. Was quite surprising, and I'm just glad I wasn't in there.
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Traderboz
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:26:00 -
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IMO early on you should be going for a mission-oriented build so that you can get your income stabilized. You really don't need to spend much time in a Caracal, but you're going to want to get into a Drake when you can. Slow down a bit and train your drake skills up a bit (I'm not talking t2 heavy missiles, but get t2 tank and get enough to t2 tank a Raven).
Then you can move up to Raven if you like, or just stick with your drake and further skill it up. A drake is more than capable of handling level 4 missions, so you have some flexibility there.
So, can you skip crusier early on? Sure. Will it hurt? No. But don't skip battlecruisers. Go for a drake, then slow down a bit and catch up on your training.
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Stateless101
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zack Janeway I am the happy owner of that Caldari Destroyer parked over there and have been for a few days. After looking in the item database, I see that none of the cruisers are anywhere near my destroyer in turret points. Should I just skip them and go to BBs? What BB(tech 1) has the most turrets? What skill do I need to inject BB training? KTHXBAI
To answer the end of your inquiry, Rokh and spaceship command lvl4, caldari cruiser IV, plus u need sharpshooter, shield management and plenty more to put it to good use
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:34:00 -
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The thing is you will still need to buy and train cruisers in order to get into those ships.
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Stateless101
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:38:00 -
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and dont feel pressured to switch to missiles, hybrids lack control over damage type and can easily miss their targets, but their hits do more damage and with caldari; from very far away
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Psionist
Originally by: Hurtado Soneka BB? you talking about a blackbird?
Since your caldari then yes, skipping cruisers wont hurt since they are for the most part, completely worthless with exception of the blackbird. Since your a gunnery person, you should get a Moa at least for your missions until you can afford the ferrox.
That aside, are you doing missions or pvp or both or mining etc etc. Each ship has their uses, but in general caldari cruisers are underpowered against the rest out there.
BB is a military acronym for battleship.
BS is EVE acronym for battleship... BS in military acronym is prolly something that gets censored.
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Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
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Tolsimir Wolfblood
Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:40:00 -
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so if you are shooting guristas your still good.
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Elhina Novae
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Blade.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 05:44:00 -
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I rmember skipping cruisers and jumping directly inte a battlecruiser for missions ------------
Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem?
Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
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Renarla
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:02:00 -
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Skipping Cruisers is horrible and an easy way to lose a lot of isk early in your career. Your ship's strength is not measured by the amount of turrets it can fit. Remember that the Moa might only have 5 turret hardpoints, but it uses medium guns instead of small. These will do a lot more damage to targets larger than frigates. The only ships with 8 turret points are Destroyers and Battleships, but that certainly doesn't mean everything else is useless. In fact, Destroyers are one of the lesser used ship classes, not useful for much other than flying through Level 1 missions. 8 Turrets are pretty much their only plus.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.03.18 06:15:00 -
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It is not a good idea to skip cruisers - if your aim is to get good at some higher platform then you dont need to be on cruisers for long, but the isk/bang relation kinda peaks with cruisers thus you will encounter situations where your regular cruiser is the most effective tool for it.
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Laipan Tevethian
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:10:00 -
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Uhm you do know that cruisers use medium guns right. So (Destroyer < cruiser) if your looking at missions.
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Skjorta
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:17:00 -
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I've played about 3 years and still fly cruisers regularly.
Fast, decent dps, can get decent tanks on some..
and...
cheap!
This is a bad troll thread, but still i loves me some cruisers.
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: GyokZoli on 18/03/2009 11:25:29
Originally by: Zack Janeway I am the happy owner of that Caldari Destroyer parked over there and have been for a few days. After looking in the item database, I see that none of the cruisers are anywhere near my destroyer in turret points. Should I just skip them and go to BBs? What BB(tech 1) has the most turrets? What skill do I need to inject BB training? KTHXBAI
The best caldari ship/s for level 1 missions: Kestrel The best caldari ship/s for level 2 missions: Caracal The best caldari ships/s for level 3 missions: Drake/Cerberus The best caldari ships/s for level 4 missions: Raven/CNR/Nighthawk/Golem
Oh and the caldari destroyer is a crap, you can use that only for level 1 missions.
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Zarmox
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:46:00 -
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Previous poster GyokZoli has put it clearly and correctly.
Next get a Caracal for your level 2 missions and train up your learning skills, missile skills, engineering, mechanics, etc.
You can use your destroyer for salvaging the wrecks.
I am doing level 3 missions in Drake.
Good luck.
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Zaran Darkstar
Divine Slaves
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:48:00 -
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I d say train cruisers to lvl 4 and then go for BSes. Train them lvl 4 as well.After all it's the BS that makes you money... Train also the missiles or turret generic skills to 4 and after you do that you will have realised probably if you want to get cruisers to 5 and if you prefer to get missile platform to 5 or turret platform to 5. Train cruisers to lvl 4 regardless if you plan to fly them ever. In any case even if you end to hate cruisers you will have lost only about 6 days in total training amount which is not that big SP loss. |
Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Psionist
BB is a military acronym for battleship.
we (by and large) are not the military. eve players (by and large, that is to say every player except those who are career naval officers) refer to them as BS's. -100 smartarse points for you.
OP: cruisers have less hardpoints, but can fit the next sized weapons up, medium guns. the DPS is slightly less then a dessie, but the tank and versatility are greatyl enchanced, and along with those comes survivability.
to illustrate: a dessie will not survive lvl 2 of the blockade, a very common mission. i guarantee it. a cruiser will.
a dessie will not survive an encounter with a wolf in PvP. a cruiser will.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:12:00 -
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Quite the opposite. You should skip Destroyer altogether and go for cruiser instead, but not until you've learned how to fly a frigate.
Destroyers only have two worth-while purposes right now: as cheap salvage ships and as a stepping stone towards interdictors (and you will know if and when you need those — until then, ignore them). They have some fringe, novelty uses beyond this, but not enough to care about until you've learned more about the game. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity Fluidic Anti-Gravity
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Morel Nova on 18/03/2009 12:30:50
Originally by: Sir Substance
a dessie will not survive an encounter with a wolf in PvP. a cruiser will.
I'v seen well piloted Thrasher destroyers take out assault frigs, so I wouldnt be so sure. also a lot of crusiers will die to assault frigs because they will struggle to track them with medium guns
generally destroyers are crap though, mostly due to slot layout and huge sig radiuses/no tank Put in space whales!
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Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:33:00 -
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To be honest, if you plan to fly battlecruisers and battleships (or even capital ships) then you are going to need to train the cruiser skill anyways, so getting a moa might not be a bad idea.
Still, I have been able to do level 2 missions in a cormorant, and 3's in a Feros, so skipping to battlecruisers won't really harm hou that much. Mid you I was using tech 2 guns and tanking modules, so your results may vary.
-Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye' |
ry ry
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Posted - 2009.03.18 12:50:00 -
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Quote: Should I just skip cruisers altogether?
no.
you don't need to max them, but for the sake of a few days it's worth having the option. one day i can guarantee you'll want to fly a cruiser, even if it's a pos-shield repping osprey or some such ****.
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