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Tamarana
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:41:00 -
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I was messing around and understood that a Nyx 1650 Mton, with Nanofiber and maybe other stuf it could be reduced to less than 1.500, probably less than 1000 Mton. So theoretically, it could be moved inside and outside a wormhole. You just need to fit it right and refit it at the end point. Even a titan could be reduced to less than 1.000 Mton.
This, I suppose, it imply, someone with the resources and motivated could slip supercapitals in Jita. Just find the right WH system and cycle the WH opening until it open in Jita.
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Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:42:00 -
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:58:00 -
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Tamarana wrote:I was messing around and understood that a Nyx 1650 Mton, with Nanofiber and maybe other stuf it could be reduced to less than 1.500, probably less than 1000 Mton. So theoretically, it could be moved inside and outside a wormhole. You just need to fit it right and refit it at the end point. Even a titan could be reduced to less than 1.000 Mton.
This, I suppose, it imply, someone with the resources and motivated could slip supercapitals in Jita. Just find the right WH system and cycle the WH opening until it open in Jita.
Is there some part of the "caps are not allowed in high sec space" that you don't quite get? |
Tamarana
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:26:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote: Is there some part of the "caps are not allowed in high sec space" that you don't quite get?
Just tell to the Nxy parading around Jita 4-4 yesterday! Or the Sansha during Incursions and Live Events. It is obvious to me that capitals can fly in high sec in the right circumstances.
Under the game mechanics, Capital Ships can not be built in high sec, the can not be fit inside a freighter, they can not use stargates and cynos can not be opened in high sec.
But capitals can and use WH to go in and out a WH system. The limiting factor is weight. This prevent supercap to enter a Wh using their usual fitting. But, with unusual fittings... it could be possible. And, if it is possible to enter, it would be possible to exit.
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jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:34:00 -
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1. Nanofiber internal structures do not alter the mass of a ship, only its inertial modifier.
2. The only module that can REDUCE the mass of a ship is a HIC's warp disruption field generator, and those can only be fit by HICs.
3. There are a couple of wormholes to and from hisec to C5/C6 that are large enough to allow capital ships. However, if you try to jump any non-freighter capital through them (from the w-space side at least), you just get an error message. CCP is way ahead of you on that one. I have no idea what happens if someone tries to jump a non-freighter capital from the hisec side, but as far as I know no-one has ever tried.
Dear hisec capital owners: For science!
4. Capitals in hisec are either legacy or GM action, and if they are ever used in combat they are treated as an exploit and removed. As yet, Chribba's relentless aggression against the veldspar asteroids of Amarr has been treated as the lone exception to the rule. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:46:00 -
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Tamarana wrote:Katja Faith wrote: Is there some part of the "caps are not allowed in high sec space" that you don't quite get? Just tell to the Nxy parading around Jita 4-4 yesterday! Or the Sansha during Incursions and Live Events. It is obvious to me that capitals can fly in high sec in the right circumstances. Under the game mechanics, Capital Ships can not be built in high sec, the can not be fit inside a freighter, they can not use stargates and cynos can not be opened in high sec. But capitals can and use WH to go in and out a WH system. The limiting factor is weight. This prevent supercap to enter a Wh using their usual fitting. But, with unusual fittings... it could be possible. And, if it is possible to enter, it would be possible to exit.
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Tamarana
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:53:00 -
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So they probably coded the WH reusing the code for SGates. This would explain because we didn't know of any capsuleer able to enter Jove space from the WH. They are closed like the SGs |
jonnykefka
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:56:00 -
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I was incorrect; They only have enough mass to allow freighters. Even the smallest carrier (niddy) is too massive to fit through a hisec to C5/C6, so it's all done with mass constraints. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:47:00 -
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^^ You will get an error if you try to jump a super or titan through a WH even if you are within its mass limits.
There have been ways to get supers into WHs in the past but not sure off the top of my head if anyones ever managed to assemble them inside once they are in there as IIRC the SMA doesn't have enough space to do it - technically someone may have got capitals into highsec using one of the fitting bugs in the past and assembled them in station. Also AFAIK CCP has removed all of them that people did manage to get into WHS but not sure on this - any that do remain would be subjected to the same rules as legacy highsec capitals - do anything other than showboat in them and they will be ported out. |
Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.29 17:55:00 -
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1. Jita is a wormhole no fly zone, it has been setup to have NO signature spawn in it EVER. No exploration sites, no mining sites, no wormholes.
2. A LONG time ago, Nanofibers affected mass, this was changed in the great nano nerf everyone speaks of. The only modules that modify mass are the warp disruption field generators that only hictors can use.
Quote:3. There are a couple of wormholes to and from hisec to C5/C6 that are large enough to allow capital ships. However, if you try to jump any non-freighter capital through them (from the w-space side at least) Actually CCP just made the mass limit for the highsec wormholes large enough to fit freighters, but the max mass limit is below that of all the capitals. There's no special exclusion by ship type directly. |
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Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.04.29 18:31:00 -
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When it comes to mass limits, the general rule is that the connection will always defer to the smaller hole on what can and can't get in or out. For example, a battleship built in a c1 will never be able to leave because the c1 has a mass limit on what can go through. Even some of the weightier Bc cant get in or out without offlining modules that affect mass first. It's for that reason that capitals will never make it into high via a wormhole. Anything hole leading to hi just doesn't have the mass stability to allow the capital in. The hole holes that allow cap travel between them are low sec, null sec, c5 and c6. |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative
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Posted - 2012.04.29 19:56:00 -
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Im sure I and many other WH cap pilots have spent weeks of research into shaving that 0.05billion kg off of a Hel. Trust me it isnt happening.
Sometimes if a cap is reinbursed it is reinbursed into the station the pilot is currently in. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR CAPS TO GET INTO HIGHSEC. They are then swiftly moved back to low as soon as they are discoved. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:10:00 -
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There are no mods, apart from HIC bubbles, that reduce mass of a ship. Stop failing. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:05:00 -
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Wow, reading about mass limits on all hisec-connecting wormholes, one wonders if CCP designed it that way. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:18:00 -
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Alec Freeman wrote:Sometimes if a cap is reinbursed it is reinbursed into the station the pilot is currently in. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR CAPS TO GET INTO HIGHSEC. They are then swiftly moved back to low as soon as they are discoved.
There are also those "grandfathered" in from very long ago, like Chribba's Veldnaught. |
Royal Jedi
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:28:00 -
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This thread is just all kinds of awful... |
TotalRapeage
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:00:00 -
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Royal Jedi wrote:This thread is just all kinds of awful...
So is your face. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:09:00 -
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TotalRapeage wrote:Royal Jedi wrote:This thread is just all kinds of awful... So is your face.
This is why you have no "likes." |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:39:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Alec Freeman wrote:Sometimes if a cap is reinbursed it is reinbursed into the station the pilot is currently in. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR CAPS TO GET INTO HIGHSEC. They are then swiftly moved back to low as soon as they are discoved. There are also those "grandfathered" in from very long ago, like Chribba's Veldnaught.
Chribba has more caps in high sec than just the Veldnaught. Although the Veldnaught is the only cap in a 1.0 system. I believe he has a few carriers and even a Titan in High sec systems. But they can not engage in combat while in high sec, thus why he uses them for mining.
Not sure how Chribba got them there, but there used to be a bug with jumping that if you jumped from a low sec system to another low sec system on the opposite side of a high sec area and you did not have enough Cap/Iso to complete the jump or if the cyno ship was destroyed before the jump was complete you would pop out in a random system between the two jump points. This would sometimes be a high sec system. This bug has long ago been fixed but has left some legacy capitals in high sec.
I do know that these ships are forbidden to participate in combat in high sec. Not sure if they are insta ported out or if it triggers a concord response but they can not fight in high sec, even for plexing. They can be flown with no combat modules equipped for show boating or used for mining, that is all. There is nothing stopping a cap ship from jumping out of high sec to low or null. But players who have one of these generally consider it a collectors item well worth keeping there. |
Suni Khan
Trojan Manufacture LTD Frentix Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:44:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Not sure how Chribba got them there, but there used to be a bug with jumping that if you jumped from a low sec system to another low sec system on the opposite side of a high sec area and you did not have enough Cap/Iso to complete the jump or if the cyno ship was destroyed before the jump was complete you would pop out in a random system between the two jump points. This would sometimes be a high sec system. This bug has long ago been fixed but has left some legacy capitals in high sec. .
Do you even understand how a jump drive works?
These caps there are either made in HS when that was still possible. Or they we accidently reimbursed into HS. Or they were transported there if the character was offline for 6 months flying it. and the pilot would be send back to the close location. |
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