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Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:35:00 -
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Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance.
Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different.
I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others.
I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... "
Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point.
If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"?
Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry...
In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in?
Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great.
I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?
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Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.
"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."
And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable?
Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of."
You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
200
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:36:00 -
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Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
269
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:37:00 -
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CCP supports it because it pisses people like you off.
Also, too bad for the carebears that are only good at accumulating wealth. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:37:00 -
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because they can... isnt this the best advertisment last time? cheap... in almost every gaming portal... People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Groperson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:37:00 -
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~Devswarm Federation~ follow the clues ~ |
Evil Brock Nelson
T2 Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:38:00 -
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OP should set up a booth and bend over so that everyone can have a turn at him. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
186
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:38:00 -
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This post is why we kill you. CCP supports us. People flock to join EVE and pay $15/month.
The problem is with you. |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
50
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:39:00 -
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Those in power get to do what they like. Goonswarm are currently the corporation with the most power. Stick around long enough and you'll have forgotten about the Goons and will be complaining about some other corporation.
This is the nature of the sandbox. |
Sha Kharn
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:44:00 -
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Few days of suicide ganking and you feel the need to cry in public?
Go diaf...ingame of course |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
251
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:44:00 -
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The average whinebear:
Claims that EVE is a sandbox Doesn't like it when kids start kicking sand |
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Sha Kharn
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:46:00 -
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Yep that one sure has a sandy vaagina |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
164
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:50:00 -
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I don't think you understand Eve. Look at your quote "Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?"
No. You pay $15 to play Eve how you like, just like Goons pay $15 to play Eve how they like, which is what makes the game worth playing. |
MIkhail Illiad
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
24
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:50:00 -
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It's a player driven event, and if CCP step in and do something about it they are breaking the game and ruining the game experience. If you have a problem with "Jita Burns" here's a protip, don't go into Jita! And if your posting because you got ganked and thought CCP were going to save you then you probably deserved it. There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared.-á |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
427
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:51:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote: I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
Yes you can do whatever you want, but you're too busy thinking you should be wrapped in cotton wool and have your hand held to go out and do it.
I was in Jita just yesterday, sat near the undock watching what was going on. I didn't feel that Jita was 'off limits' to me in any way. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
107
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:52:00 -
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I cannot understand the logic in complaining about a group of people, instead of forming your own countergroup
I guess whiners gonna whine, and slackers gonna slack There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:53:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote: And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable?
Since Stoffer is an Ex-Goon he could be easily convinced to advocate this little event with a few free beers during Fanfest. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:53:00 -
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Holy **** look at that OP. You are so mad. SO MAD |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
288
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:53:00 -
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Burn Jita, hulkageddon and other events are the reason why EVE is the best MMO on the market. You cant do anyting close to this in other MMO's (Burn Stormwind?)
That said - Burn Jita doesnt bother me, cause I dont buy from Jita unless I just HAVE to. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
293
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:54:00 -
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Sandbox Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Shian Yang
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:55:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote:I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others.
Greetings capsuleer,
Welcome to New Eden. This is a harsh and cold universe where the weak wake up in clones until they tire of this life. I am curious though; why do you believe your way of life in New Eden should be enforced on others when you are unhappy that others try to enforce their way on you?
Are you that which you seem to despise?
In any event - you have control over your own destiny. You are an immortal roaming these stars. Your response is in your hands. You can complain. You can turn it around and fight back. You can do whatever you desire. You simply need to take the initiative.
Good luck and regards,
Shian Yang
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ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
66
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:55:00 -
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/facepalm ArmyOfMe > i swear my drones have become even more stupid after the patch Wanna Kill > as usually im way ahead of you, my drones have been drooling idiots for ages |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3938
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:55:00 -
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So CCP should step in, stop everyone from having fun, including us, the guys that wardecced us, the guys whoring on GCC killmails, and everyone else who is taking part in this in some way or another - just so that you can do your little freighter run? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sha Kharn
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:55:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance. Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different. I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.) I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others. I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked. Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual. But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... " Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point. If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"? Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry... In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in? Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great. I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted? Quote:
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.
"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."
And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable? Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of." You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.
In case op feels the need to remove fail post. Make a bed go sleep in it. |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:56:00 -
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I pay my fifteen dollars a month and yet RA stop me going to NOL to pick up my blaster worm fix your game asshats why do you support these griefers unless I get those and my drake out of R97 which ROL insist on griefing me by not letting me pick up then I shall be forced to go and play another space-based sandbox well anyway that's all for now later dudes |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2963
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:56:00 -
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im sorry we ganked you please come back to jita for your apology package |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:04:00 -
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It's a shame that you didn't care enough about your belongings to sign up for our Offical Goonswarm Federation Insurance Protection Policy (OGFIPP) which would have prevented the loss of your internet spaceship. Maybe next month you can plan ahead and prevent this type of unnecessary tragedy. |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
64
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:12:00 -
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"prevent other people from playing the game any way they like"
So you want CCP to not let Goons play how they want so you can play how you want? Civil issues should be decided on the battlefield. If Goons are exploiting something, then let the "government" step in.
Highsec already has a lot of safety nets built in. Be happy high sec is relatively safe. Goons are only once alliance. There is nothing stopping all the other alliance ganging up and splattering the Goons.
Anyway, high sec is about to get a lot safer with the x-pack. The Goons are doing one last blow-out. This is what makes Eve "fun".
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:15:00 -
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If the weekend long Burn Jita event pisses you off, wait til the new and improved month long Hulkageddon starts tomorrow. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
57
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:15:00 -
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Evil Brock Nelson wrote:OP should set up a booth and bend over so that everyone can have a turn at him.
That was the meanest post I have ever read.
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And one of the funniest... +1
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
834
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:18:00 -
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Your high sec problems with goons can be traced back to broken null mechanics. The sooner you high sec inhabitants get behind real changes that fix null mechanics the faster these issues with bored null power blocks will go away. It is a butterfly effect for sure.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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