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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
283
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:54:00 -
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Mocam wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Mocam wrote: Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.
Action: A bunch of Freighters and JF's blew up in Jita. Consequence: This qq post. Working as intended. And the same was said about Titans & Super carriers blowing up small ships. "Working as Intended" by those involved, until it changed but that took months... close to a year before they fixed it yet CCP seems to be trying to address player concerns at a far faster clip than before... We'll see if the player-base annoyance gets far enough where CCP decides that corrections to stop nullsec players from finding such petty activities as market manipulation and trade-hub camping preferable to war. That is the problem right now - too few threats to null coupled with a huge population that feels it cannot leave highsec. That composite is "game breaking". It needs fixing and no, they aren't all "carebears" - simply put, players joining EVE come into this game with the facts that it is a harsh noir style world where PvP is broadly spread out. Every single day in pretty much any forum or chat channel about this game, you will find posts to that effect. As such, having that many in such a small space while "end-game" nullsec is so "lacking in content" as to have the residents there going elsewhere "to find action", while their holdings remain safe from threat. That points out some seriously messed up game mechanics when that place is so safe and secure. Yes there are problems that need fixing and if the real problems are fixed, this artificial fluff will go away.
So basically what you are saying is that calls for the balancing of a ship and module type, and calls for the elimination of an actual style of play are the same thing? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
576
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:09:00 -
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its a sandbox |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
504
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:17:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:I can still go to jita. Working as intended.
This, fundamentally, is 100% spot on. So I am not empty quoting, this man was in Jita.
I seen him with my own EYES! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:22:00 -
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Quote:I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
Pointing out where, almost immediately, you made your error.
You can do anything in this game that you want to, and are able to, just like anyone else.
If you feel you can't do something because of the actions of other players, that's YOUR issue... not anyone else.
We all have the same tool set at our disposal, including you. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:26:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:I was under the idea that theres no such thing as harassment in this game You REALLY have to work at it before CCP will actually consider it harassment, but there is. If you camp someone into a station for a month, thats harassment. . eh thats called war not harassment, I assumed thats WHY the war system is set up to BE able to do that If you camp a corp in, its war, if you camp an individual in, its harassment.... Everything is fair if you can give a reason for doing it other than the lulz tho.
If you cant one person in a oe person corp its called war lol there really isnt harassment in this game or lets say Ive never SEEN anyone get a ban for it |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:27:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:its a sandbox
hey i said that |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:27:00 -
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Thread answer: to **** YOU off "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:31:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote: I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
Everyone is free to do whatever they want whenever they want as long as it isn't cheating. You're free to kick them out of jita if you want. You're also free to use one of the other three market hubs. You're even free to go invade goon space and get them back for burn jita. You're also free to kiss my hairy ass if you don't like your options. There are no PvP disabled safe zones in Eve. There never have been and there never will be. It's not like this is some big surprise. There's nothing new here. Jita has tons of ships killed every day. It's one of the most violent systems in Eve. If you wanted zones where PvP is impossible you should have signed up for a game that has them. I hear WoW is popular with your kind. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:33:00 -
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"I understand it's a sandbox, buttt when I get killed we should pause for a moment and pretend this is WoW."
I quit other MMOs to get away from people like you, OP.
It's really a shame that Earth & Beyond got sunset. It's been almost a decade now, and I enjoyed the hell out of that game... but it was really perfect for all these hi-sec carebears because you could mine and explore and kill pirates/aliens to your little heart's content... and the only pvp was really terrible strictly consentual, arena-style combat!
I miss that game. It had potential and it would mean that EveO would have that many less carebare children and terrible pubbies |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:39:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote: I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
That's not even close to what's happening. What's happening here is like if we were playing chess and I killed your queen, then you threw a massive fit and demanded the rules of chess be changed to save your queen. This is not a case of someone blocking my access to what I paid for. Player driven content and drama is exactly what I'm paying for. YOU'RE the one trying to block my cable. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
950
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:45:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote: I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
This is exactly what happened. Goons and their meta games need to be stopped! THINK OF MY ******* CHILDREN!!
If you can't find the sarcasm,you need to skill yourself... at BC5. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:46:00 -
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Amanda Holland wrote:If you cant one person in a oe person corp its called war lol there really isnt harassment in this game or lets say Ive never SEEN anyone get a ban for it I've never seen anyone do it, have only heard about it once.
About the only way to manage it in a way that would get you any kind of GM attention would be if it was a NPC corp toon, since anything else can be classified as a tactical attack on someone ;)
Like I said, you have to REALLY work at it to get any kind of GM attention for harassment.
Or, actually, you can just call people hate filled racial epithets, which is punishable with an instant permaban. Never seen that one actually enforced tho, even tho its clearly stated in the EULA, only seen people get muted in local for it. If it was actually enforced, TEST alliance would not exist.
Edit: Convenient link to the relevant excerpt from the EULA Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
216
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:55:00 -
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And when the subs go down and they knoweth why a Deus Ex Machina will descend from the sky and protect the wounded and sore immortals from further capital flight to other MMOs.
Sandbox? Sure. EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:55:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance. Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different. ... I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others. ... Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point. ... Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry... ... Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great. I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted? ... Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of." You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.
This is a long post, but I don't entirely disagree with it. I draw the line where most others do, though I am in disagreement with the majority of responses as they are framed.
Basically, what I have to say is this:
GSF is doing what they want and it is completely acceptable from a game design standpoint. If you disagree with it as a player, it is as a player you should deal with it. There are plenty of options and you don't have to let them gank your freighter or prevent you from enjoying your game.
Foreknowledge is the best knowledge. Something we rarely have in real life, yet in this game, players like those behind Burn Jita and Hulkageddon are perfectly willing to provide that for all players. This isn't some event that spontaneously combusted, but one that took some careful planning and preparation.
The players were warned it was coming, and the Devs knew about it early on, either from GSF making there intentions known publicly or GSF informing the Devs that the node needed to be reinforced by other means. Same as is required for Alliance fights to prepare that node for battle when it occurs. I don't know whether this official notification was required in this case or not with all the prior warning that was given on the forums well in advance. Probably still regardless.
There is a purpose for Burn Jita. Not everyone may be aware of it, but it provides the players an opportunity to profit, mixes things up, and may well eventually break a stalemate in the market with the conclusion of Hulkageddon. It isn't something that is done for no reason, and it may well be that the Devs see an opportunity to make use of it for other purposes never intended by the playerbase. I would, were I them.
I don't mean advertising either, though it obviously is doing that with or without their assistance. It has to do with ISK, and encompasses both economic analysis in events like these and can include other things I'll not mention here.
This isn't like the cable company laughing at people for missing their favorite TV show. That is a rather poor analogy and unfounded. You are perfectly within your rights and ability to play EVE the way you want, if not within the standard method you would normally follow. Things have changed and you must adapt. This is dynamic gameplay made possible by a portion of the playerbase for both your and there entertainment.
What entertainment you derive from it is entirely up to you, and you can make the best or worst of it as you see fit. I'm sure you would be quite happy if you had found a way to profit from it, as I would be. I haven't because I was unwilling to risk my limited means on such an endeavour, but it doesn't mean I have not enjoyed it or at least been interested by the ongoing events.
tl;dr: You don't have to be negatively affected by events such as these; it is your choice to allow them to affect you this way, and to continue to do so is counterproductive to your enjoyment of the game.
*Disclaimer: Certain sections of your post have been randomly eliminated to make room for me to type this. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
20
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:58:00 -
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You make the statement that people who pay their $15.00 a month should be allowed to play the game the way they want... except this game is a game that is centered around PVP, and it's CCP's game. They make the rules. They choose the gameplay style. They decide what is right and wrong in their universe. Not you.
There ARE aspects of the game I don't like. However, I am bright enough to know that I pay to PLAY in a universe created by CCP, which means I play by CCP's rules. Not mine.
So, the long and short of it is. If you don't like how CCP runs their game. Unsub.
Seriously not trying to be nasty about it. I've unsubbed a number of times when CCP has done something that tweaked my nads. But the fact is, it's their game. Not yours. And this is the kind of stuff they like to see in their game. Player driven content.
It might suck for someone that gets their hulk or whatever blown up... but that's the game you signed on to play, when you payed your sub and clicked accept and entered the game.
So, either accept that is the nature of the game, or refuse to accept it, and quit.
~Z In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:59:00 -
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Corbin Blair wrote:Kurai Kihaku wrote: I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
That's not even close to what's happening. What's happening here is like if we were playing chess and I killed your queen, then you threw a massive fit and demanded the rules of chess be changed to save your queen. This is not a case of someone blocking my access to what I paid for. Player driven content and drama is exactly what I'm paying for. YOU'RE the one trying to block my cable.
the above is right. You should get banned from the forums if you throw a hissy fit or QQ itd make the game more managable |
Lictor Yeva
WoonGaffe
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:02:00 -
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Zora'e wrote:So, either accept that is the nature of the game, or refuse to accept it, and quit.
~Z
We do have what amounts to a democratically elected 'government' in EVE. We have channels of communication with the devs. If there's something you don't like, unsubbing is not your only option ... |
Kariva
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:08:00 -
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You don't see the bigger picture .. It's all about money.
Someone sold those tornadoes. Someone is playing with the market speculating moon go, mineral prices, ice prices .... It's all fan but some people at the top made a loot of isk speculating the markets....
What do you think is hulkagedon? It's a perfect way to earn money (isk ) Think who is sponsoring prizes in hulkagdon ???? those who control the market ...... look at the hulk prices rising
Why i should sell hulk for 200kk when i can organize hulk... and sell it for 350kk it's just profit ....
It's all about the fun But it's rely all about the MONEY....... Ice field to low sec. It's all about controlling the market . Lower ice supply = bigger profits for power blocks ... Why are people crying to move lvl 4 to low sec. They say it's to much reward to low risk...
So what do you call ganking in high sec .....??? That's fair it's "sandbox"
76kkktitan dd logistics no to powerful nerfed... (not a sandbox) 76kkk titan killing a 200kk dictor /bs nerfed ... (not a sandbox) 4kk ship's killing a 300kk hulk it's sandbox stop crying....... CCP is stupid i many cases they see the same things differently .... High sec corp are not a powerful bloc that has any voice in CSM so nothing will eve be done in that matter. CCP at some poin will have to decide when the want to give all power to 0.0 power block or to ballance it equaly to all sec space (high safe mining industry)(low pvp/faction warfare) (null power blocks play). No one should have the control over all (high/low/null) what is happenng right now...
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Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
124
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:08:00 -
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Please go back to WoW this game is obviously not for you...
But i will leave these words of wisdom for you:
"The term sandbox refers more to the mechanics of a game and how, as in a physical sandbox, the user is entertained by his ability to play creatively, boundless of artificial structural constraints, and with there being "no right way" of playing the game." |
Jonah Gravenstein
264
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:10:00 -
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<< Carebear << Lives in sandbox << Accepts GSF as the fly in the ointment << Loves GSF for being the fly in the ointment
Mittens & Company are the archetypal villains that every good story needs, without stuff like Burn Jita and Hulkageddon Eve would be just another MMO I wouldn't play, with them it's the only MMO I play.
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:But i will leave these words of wisdom for you:
"The term sandbox refers more to the mechanics of a game and how, as in a physical sandbox, the user is entertained by his ability to play creatively, boundless of artificial structural constraints, and with there being "no right way" of playing the game."
I'm so quoting this at the next person that tells me I'm playing the game wrong because I'm a carebear. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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Zora'e
Nasty Pope
20
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:16:00 -
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Lictor Yeva wrote:Zora'e wrote:So, either accept that is the nature of the game, or refuse to accept it, and quit.
~Z We do have what amounts to a democratically elected 'government' in EVE. We have channels of communication with the devs. If there's something you don't like, unsubbing is not your only option ...
Technically true.
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:19:00 -
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...because this game is about the players.
If there is one thing I could teach every b**** a** nub, it's that you play people. Not the game.
Burn Jita is only one of many examples of that (and I would argue a really poor example but f*** everyone because I am not a nice guy)
This game is about doing stuff. If you can imagine it you can do it. That is the promise. There aren't a lot of rules in this game when you really "burn" down to brass tacks. I'm not a mittans fan, at all. I think he's actually kind of an idiot. ...but god damn if he doesn't go big. You have to respect that. Any any one of you toolbags could do something just as big. So why don't you? Burn Jita was way over hyped but it sends a good message to the player base. You can get f***** up at any time. He who f***s is he who profits. Stop being such pansies. Anyone can make stuff like this happen. You just need to have the will and the vision. Isn't that why we play this game? Stop crying start planning would be my advice. Let's burn EvE.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
802
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:28:00 -
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I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA |
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:31:00 -
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mechtech wrote:I don't think you understand Eve. Look at your quote "Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?"
No. You pay $15 to play Eve how you like, just like Goons pay $15 to play Eve how they like, which is what makes the game worth playing. Did you think for even 2 seconds before posting that?
Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. |
Jonah Gravenstein
264
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:32:00 -
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Gogela wrote:
This game is about doing stuff. If you can imagine it you can do it. That is the promise. There aren't a lot of rules in this game when you really "burn" down to brass tacks. I'm not a mittans fan, at all. I think he's actually kind of an idiot. ...but god damn if he doesn't go big. You have to respect that. Any any one of you toolbags could do something just as big. So why don't you? Burn Jita was way over hyped but it sends a good message to the player base. You can get f***** up at any time. He who f***s is he who profits. Stop being such pansies. Anyone can make stuff like this happen. You just need to have the will and the vision. Isn't that why we play this game? Stop crying start planning would be my advice. Let's burn EvE.
Would hit "like" more if it was possible.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
950
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:32:00 -
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Gogela wrote:...because this game is about the players.
You had me at hello.... |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
20
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:33:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA
Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh?
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
951
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:36:00 -
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Zora'e wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh? Lol! You're kidding!...... Right? |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
21
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:40:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Zora'e wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh? Lol! You're kidding!...... Right?
Not at all... CCP Soundwave, Naked at the Pub Crawl
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
806
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:42:00 -
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Zora'e wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Zora'e wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh? Lol! You're kidding!...... Right? Not at all... CCP Soundwave, Naked at the Pub Crawl
Always happens when I drink. |
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