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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
650
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:49:00 -
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Davin Nix wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Western Civilization is on the brink, but its on the brink due to people who are willfully ignorant of the truth, even when proof is presented. Whilst I agree that the wilfully ignorant are a royal pain in the arse I must ask... What exactly are we on the brink of? I've only been back a year but at the moment, at least in the UK the only thing i'm on the brink of is having all of my money taxed away by the government. That and this lovely new recession everyone is talking about but we're getting pretty good at those now I think. I don't know how things are across the pond but things aren't too unstable where i'm standing Dav Not gonna debate, just go watch idiocracy. Its scary how accurate it is towards trends(at least here in the US) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:52:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote: Not gonna debate, just go watch idiocracy. Its scary how accurate it is towards trends(at least here in the US)
alrighty, i'll check it out, Cheers |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
41
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:54:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more
If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense. |
Francisco Bizzaro
67
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:56:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:After some thought, I have concluded that if you tried - really tried, you could probably play EVE as a non-PvP game by only ever doing missions, only using rookie ships and ships you built from minerals you refined from your own mission loot, never buying or selling anything on the market... This could be an interesting experiment. Kind of like that guy who max-leveled WoW using only hand-to-hand combat and without armour. Build a cap ship in Eve without ever opening the market window except to buy skill books.
Oh sorry ... did I say 'interesting'? I think I was looking for another word which means the opposite of that. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
333
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:56:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
I actually don't troll on the forums all that much. I point out terrible ideas on a regular basis though.
You do know that when you point a finger at someone that 3 fingers point at you, right.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3580
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:57:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Malcanis wrote:After some thought, I have concluded that if you tried - really tried, you could probably play EVE as a non-PvP game by only ever doing missions, only using rookie ships and ships you built from minerals you refined from your own mission loot, never buying or selling anything on the market... This could be an interesting experiment. Kind of like that guy who max-leveled WoW using only hand-to-hand combat and without armour. Build a cap ship in Eve without ever opening the market window except to buy skill books. Oh sorry ... did I say 'interesting'? I think I was looking for another word which means the opposite of that.
"DeMichael Crimson"? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jonah Gravenstein
269
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:58:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
EVE is a Sandbox. YOU are not understanding. It is NOT PvP, it is NOT PvE.
Until you can grasp that, you are playing a delusion.
You're right Eve is a sandbox, the joy of a sandbox like Eve is that apart from some quite basic rules and mechanics the only limit is your imagination. It's neither PVP nor PVE, but both are those are valid choices that just happen to infringe on each other.
The only things you can actually call PVE are solo mining and solo missioning, everything else in the game that is considered PVE is actually PVP, ie: competition between players.
Running incursions, you're trying to outdo the other fleets on the field because only one gets paid. PVP
If you're mining in a fleet you try to outdo each other with bad jokes, bullshit, poor taste in music and erotica. PVP
If you're missioning in a fleet, see mining + blowing up more stuff or earning more bounty than your fleet mates. PVP
Playing the markets can be absolutely brutal PVP, you can lose billions in seconds without even undocking. PVP War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
647
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:00:00 -
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Davin Nix wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Davin Nix wrote: My key issue with your post now is the incredible assumption that all western folks are brainwashed which is hilarious.
Talk about creating statements out of thin air. I said no such thing. And that is provable above in the thread. I said they were 'easily brainwashed"....which by default implies potential. I never, not never, said ALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS brainwashed. But the Goons certainly are. And they excellently demonstrate the potential. Sorry that you read so fast or something that rather important details get missed and then UNTRUE FALSEHOODS posted about what was actually typed. Better luck next time. Errr do you read your own posts? Ahem... if i may: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:You
just
don't
get
it.
God, you guys are so brainwashed. I see how easily Western Civilization WILL fall to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat. This is very revealing.
Brainwashing really really works. I have highlighted the key phrases in bold, just in case you read it too quickly Correct me if i'm wrong but... that shows that what was as you so aptly describe 'actually typed' was not in fact 'easily brainwashed' it does in fact say ' are brainwashed' ...which to use your own phrasology, implies a current state of affairs. The goons are not brainwashed, and the west is not easily brainwashed. They just aren't doing what you want, you're angry and you are channelling this anger into a fundamentally flawed argument with no basis of evidence. Please, next time you challenge a statement, actually check what you wrote beforehand, else you will, once again risk making statements which are inherently false. Dav p.s. 'UNTRUE FALSEHOODS' Is a tautologically redundant phrase p.p.s As to my other post, my question was not directed towards you. You clearly have very little actual knowledge regarding Western civilisation... or indeed Eastern civilisation. Furthermore your reasoning is so flawed I wouldn't be able to trust any answer you gave.
again, wasted breath.
from above: I'm NOT here to argue or debate out of game politics. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:01:00 -
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Twulf wrote:
If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense.
A single player sandbox should of course operate in the way you suggest. However, eve is a massively multiplayer online sandbox. And the very mechanics which allow the formation of corporations and alliances encourage such behaviour. The fight for control of resources necessitates the formation of large alliances and corporations as simple escalation. This is a survival tactic. Just because every once in a while a large alliance uses the power they have to mount a campaign such as burn jita is not making the game unfair as such. It is in fact a clever move to raise prices and undoubtedly some people are making vast amounts of isk out of it.
to be successful in eve you cannot play alone. If you'd prefer this, go play X3 or some other single player space sim Dav |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:03:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
again, wasted breath.
from above: I'm NOT here to argue or debate out of game politics.
So why do you make such sweeping references to other cultures, insist you never made them and then ignore them in subsequent posts?
You are a very special individual Dav |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
648
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:06:00 -
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Davin Nix wrote:So why do you make such sweeping references to other cultures, insist you never made them and then ignore them in subsequent posts?
You are a very special individual Dav
Because I never made 'sweeping references to cultures".
God you trolls are pathetic. get too many spankings as a child ? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Davin Nix wrote:So why do you make such sweeping references to other cultures, insist you never made them and then ignore them in subsequent posts?
You are a very special individual Dav Because I never made 'sweeping references to cultures". God you trolls are pathetic. get too many spankings as a child ?
You are kidding right? or do you have short term memory loss? My condolences if you do indeed suffer from such a condition but in the meantime, as a reminder:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:God, you guys are so brainwashed. I see how easily Western Civilization WILL fall to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat. This is very revealing.
Brainwashing really really works.
How is that in any way NOT a sweeping reference to another culture? My childhood was rather pleasant though thank you, what is less pleasant is your continued ignorance and failure to admit that your arguments are inherently erroneous. Not to mention your convenient memory lapses concerning some of your more ridiculous outbursts.
Dav |
Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
69
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:10:00 -
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jita is not the center of the game, eve is not doing **** in jita. this thread is pure shat |
Francisco Bizzaro
67
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:12:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is. What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense. Skyrim is a good game. He might enjoy that. Unfortunately he signed up for an MMO.
What is the point of an MMO sandbox if players aren't controlling the in-game society?
And lets tone down the hyperbole about "decide how the rest should play". Nobody decided anything for anyone else this weekend. Plenty of freighters got through, plenty of traders traded in Jita, plenty of people (hi!) went on about their business completely independent of this. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
651
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:13:00 -
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Twulf wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is. What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense. Its a PVP sandbox. Not just a plain old sandbox. Every aspect is designed to put you in competition with other players(missions being the only exception to this rule)
Edit: To the guy who says solo mining is not PVP. You are incorrect, because you are competing with other miners for the ore(not that there is a lack of ore to go around, but competition was the design goal there too) and you are pvping when you sell said or, or use it to manufacture things(competing for profit, competing for industry slots)
The 'PVE' portions, with the exception of mission running, were all designed originally to force us to compete for resources so they count as pvp. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
142
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:19:00 -
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Twulf wrote:If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense.
They haven't controlled all of highsec, it is not a sustainable action and took preparations. The resulting consumation of ships will be good for all industry and traders.
There are what, 2k more systems that a person can run business in? Unless you are after a complete slave set, you can get whatever you want almost anywhere else. Jita is by default on autopilot avoidance list, so for general play, shouldn't even notice.
If a person is going to jita, it is for a reason that can be done anywhere else, unless you have some stuff bought before burn-day that might hinder you a bit. Dang, that happened to me during the fall of white noise, stuff gets left behind. The difference is burn jita will die off, you just have to wait because it is an MMO. |
Jonah Gravenstein
270
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:28:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote: To the guy who says solo mining is not PVP. You are incorrect, because you are competing with other miners for the ore(not that there is a lack of ore to go around, but competition was the design goal there too) and you are pvping when you sell said or, or use it to manufacture things(competing for profit, competing for industry slots)
The 'PVE' portions, with the exception of mission running, were all designed originally to force us to compete for resources so they count as pvp.
Good point. I'll correct that, TY for pointing it out. Always bet on lazy & stupid, not always in that order.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:43:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Edit: To the guy who says solo mining is not PVP. You are incorrect, because you are competing with other miners for the ore(not that there is a lack of ore to go around Well, you can see some sites where the belts are just mined clean out. Even with grav sites/hidden belts, it's always the cherry picking people race for.
Now ice mining ... yeah. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
502
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:47:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA
So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Munba Uanid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:55:00 -
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I'm with the OP Only ones having fun now are the goons greifing other players. Noobs havent a chance now. New players are the lifeblood of a game. They not only get slated on the forums for being new but get ripped off, greifed and now continually ganked. Goons are killing EVE This acc is unsubing in 2 weeks. Hi sec is meant to be for hi seccy safe stuff. RE concord. Not a place where goons can come and display their small weiners at will by ganking everyone whenever they want.
No you cant have my stuff This is only my forum alt all the good stuff has been given in corp.
tears no. just saying as it is.
bring on the slating |
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WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
94
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:55:00 -
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I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
You can go to jita. You have a (very) minor increased risk of being ganked last weekend. Why do you feel people shouldnt be allowed to do what they want while following the rules of the game?
Care to point out where goons have broken any rules?
Care to point out where it explicitly states your safety is GUARANTEED in any system?
Its ironic that your complaint centers on a lack of freedom when your implied remedy is to further restrict freedom.
On a personal note I enjoyed smartbombing goon ships this weekend. More of this sort of thing please.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
693
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:58:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it. The tears...
It's so weird how so much of the time the internet turns p*****s into tough guys. I think this is the only forum on the internet that makes some people turn into p*****s. I wonder how that happens... Cipher?
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
70
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:58:00 -
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My thx go to goons for an awesome new story about EVE. Also thx to OP and many others in this thread for sharing their tears. i enjoyed all them. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3581
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:59:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it.
Suicide ganking isn't in and of itself "griefing". Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:01:00 -
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Munba Uanid wrote:I'm with the OP Only ones having fun now are the goons greifing other players. Noobs havent a chance now. New players are the lifeblood of a game. They not only get slated on the forums for being new but get ripped off, greifed and now continually ganked. Goons are killing EVE This acc is unsubing in 2 weeks. Hi sec is meant to be for hi seccy safe stuff. RE concord. Not a place where goons can come and display their small weiners at will by ganking everyone whenever they want. No you cant have my stuff This is only my forum alt all the good stuff has been given in corp. tears no. just saying as it is. bring on the slating
new players dont start in Jita, nor do they start flying hulks... Goons aren't shooting new players in starter systems, they're shooting haulers in Jita. High sec isn't designed to be universally safe, it's designed to be MORE safe. If you autopilot in an untanked hauler, or afk mine in a belt then you are not playing the game and shouldn't be moaning about people getting ganked. If you join a half decent corp as I did when I first started the game they will help you out, financially and with advice and information. In this specific case however, simply avoiding Jita for a few days solves all of your problems. Before you go and unsub, convo me in game and spend your last 2 weeks playing in a helpful corp, maybe then you'll think twice about dropping out entirely. Dav |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
374
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:EVE is a Sandbox. YOU are not understanding. It is NOT PvP, it is NOT PvE.
Until you can grasp that, you are playing a delusion. Hmmmmmm, I'm really not sure if your just trolling, or are honestly confused?
What *exactly* do you think constitutes a "sandbox"? Is it just non-linear game-play? No leveling cap? No "class" restrictions? Is it just an empty map? Is it where no-one else can bother you?
Have you invested *any* time in researching what happens in Eve or has happened? Have you checked out what type of things the Devs allow, or don't allow?
Or is it your contention that *ONLY* combat actions constitute "pvp" in Eve? Hint: You would be wrong!
PVP is best described as:
Wikipedia wrote:PvP can be broadly used to describe any game, or aspect of a game, where players compete against each other.
Or, is it your contention that Eve is a "sandbox", but CCP (the business), the Developers, the GM's and all the volunteers have somehow missed, for the last 9 years, that players are interfering (and interacting with) other players in thier game? Possibly this is some kind of oversight?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Sister Rhode
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:15:00 -
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CCP supports it because they didn't design a game for carebears.
Nothing is stopping you from logging in, going to Jita and shooting us. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
585
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:15:00 -
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Idiot. CCP arnt backing the even, tehy arnt 'allowing GSF to be a powerful force'. They are leaving Eve to be the sandbox it is meant to be. They also know that if tehy step in on this then a precedent is set and when does that end? When a coalition is too powerful? When an alliance is too powerful? When a corp has too many supercaps? When a player has too much SP adn isk and cant be defeated?
No, CCP must let the players deal with a player created event. Otherwise what is the point, we may as well play something else. This is the only thing that makes Eve stand alone and be the game we love. And if you do not like it, you know what to do. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Milla Lekarariba
Mustang Freight and Industry
12
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:15:00 -
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They are not supporting it, but neither are they doing the opposite either...
All within game mechanics, so there is no issue,
Nothing stopping someone taking the fight to the goons and trying to get them out..
Just no-one really seems to care |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:36:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it. you are griefing me with your posts |
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