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mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.19 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: mamolian on 19/03/2009 20:11:03 Edited by: mamolian on 19/03/2009 20:10:13 http://eu.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=221003132
Noticed this thing for sale on the blizzard website.. I think such an item would be perfect for Eve-Online.. I would purchase one for each of my accounts.
Would this be something the rest of you fgts would be interested in?
Any dev's be willing to look into releasing this for Eve-Online? Could say goodbye to account sharing... Account thefts.. etc etc.. Would be a huge step forward in account security on all levels imo.
Cheers,
Mamo -----------
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:56:00 -
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I took a look, and the only people who would need something like that are those who go to sites that would likely put a trojan or keylogger on their computer in the first place, IE isk seller sites.
The fact that Blizzard is even offering this as an option tells me that they must get alot of reinbursment pittions for stolen gold. Just dont go to gold seller sites and you dont need a two password system. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:11:00 -
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Don't forget the eve petition system is inundated with similar petitions.. For players in high positions in large alliances.. this is a heaven send.. Its that extra security and peace of mind.. that your account is almost 100% safe from hacking attempts..
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian Don't forget the eve petition system is inundated with similar petitions.. For players in high positions in large alliances.. this is a heaven send.. Its that extra security and peace of mind.. that your account is almost 100% safe from hacking attempts..
I look at it like this:
so long as your login name is no where near the name of the character you play one your already half way there. Hell even a slight varriation provides decent protection
So long as your password isnt love, sex, or god (5 isk if you get that refrence), isnt at all related to the game you play and has a number in it you get decent protection.
Both of these combined can be called a two layer password as a hacker would need to be able to determine both your user name and password, a daunting task without the use of a virus, which your anti virus system would likely catch if its decent.
This device in my opinion would be CCP inadvertantly supporting the isk blackmarket. There are plenty of refrences on the net from other MMOs in which gold sellers implant trojans and keyloggers on their customers to steal the gold and anything else they can back so its not a CCP scare tactic. What this device does is protect the isk buyer from said viri and forces the isk seller to be honest which in turn, when players see that the backstabbing cant happen anymore will be more willing to cheat and use the isk seller which would lead to either overwelming the CSR's (or whatever abriveation they perfer) trying to track isk buyers and would most certainly tank the games economy from wide scale use of isk sites.
For alliance protection, EVERY alliance director or anyone who has access to assets, wallet or what have you would need to have this to provide protection. All or none, which is what we currently have. By practicing safe surfing, such as NOT going to isk seller sites, using a diffrent email than the one you used to register with the game when registering on fan sites and so forth your odds of getting a virus from another source not related to eve yet it being from an isk seller site is quite small.
Blizzard can do this due to the high level of sharding that has occured in WoW, each servers economic situation doesnt affect the other, so if ones economy tanks, the others wont. We on the other hand live on a single massive server and dont have that sort of built in safe guard. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 20/03/2009 16:01:19 It's nice idea if you can't keep your password secure, but it will not really sell in eve because everyone is sharing theyr account with friends (for the sake of money transfering/skill changins/playing them) and with token it would be impossible to do. Let's be honest, no account sharing rule in eula is dead ;p
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LiBraga
The Blood Pack B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
So long as your password isnt love, sex, or god (5 isk if you get that refrence), isnt at all related to the game you play and has a number in it you get decent protection.
The Plague says it in Hackers.... "so would your hieness like to change it please"
%isk to me... woohoo.... my wealth will increase 0.00000003% after this --------------- What! Caldari have dps now... noooo Aye, T2 HAMs FTW!!!!! |
mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:24:00 -
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Remember this would be an premium optional extra.. Its not something you could force on your subscribers ;)
Its something *some* of us would pay extra for! -----------
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian Remember this would be an premium optional extra.. Its not something you could force on your subscribers ;)
Its something *some* of us would pay extra for!
Which again defeats its purpose of protecting an alliance as you would have to require all directors or anyone with a roll to buy this item. That doesnt send a good public message.
"We require all our directors to have the password token for our alliances protection."
"Why? Are you guys a bunch of isk buyers?"
"No! Its for our protection from hackers and virus!"
"Wouldnt you only get those from isk sites or if your username/pass were crap?"
Alternatively change the wording to reflect you as an individual in that conversation.
Let me ask you this: Are you an isk buyer? Do you acount share? If no to either what practical purpose, other than being a useless piece of security at best, a way to protect yourself from isk buyer sites hacking you at worst would you need this sort of thing? Im not being an ass with this im just trying to show you what you get with such a security feature. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.20 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: mamolian on 20/03/2009 18:57:58
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: mamolian Remember this would be an premium optional extra.. Its not something you could force on your subscribers ;)
Its something *some* of us would pay extra for!
Which again defeats its purpose of protecting an alliance as you would have to require all directors or anyone with a roll to buy this item. That doesnt send a good public message.
"We require all our directors to have the password token for our alliances protection."
"Why? Are you guys a bunch of isk buyers?"
"No! Its for our protection from hackers and virus!"
"Wouldnt you only get those from isk sites or if your username/pass were crap?"
Alternatively change the wording to reflect you as an individual in that conversation.
Let me ask you this: Are you an isk buyer? Do you acount share? If no to either what practical purpose, other than being a useless piece of security at best, a way to protect yourself from isk buyer sites hacking you at worst would you need this sort of thing? Im not being an ass with this im just trying to show you what you get with such a security feature.
Are you ****ing ******ed in some way?
Serious question.
Any major alliance leader/director/T2 BPO owner/producer/wealthy player.. who is worried about possible theft of his/her login details.. will own such a device.. And will not be required to be asked to go purchase one..
If such a device was released for customer use by CCP.. I would imagine a lot of folks would be interested in buying it.. simply to safeguard years worth of work.
This argument "omg isk buyer!" is the biggest bunch of **** I've ever read. There are many different ways account details can be stolen.. Corporate/Alliance infiltration.. trust building.. Virii/trojans.. from completely unrelated sources to either the game or Isk selling websites..
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Jarna
Amarr Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.03.20 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: LiBraga
Originally by: Jacob Mei
So long as your password isnt love, sex, or god (5 isk if you get that refrence), isnt at all related to the game you play and has a number in it you get decent protection.
The Plague says it in Hackers.... "so would your hieness like to change it please"
%isk to me... woohoo.... my wealth will increase 0.00000003% after this
Gah, you beat me to it.
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Jarna
Amarr Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.03.20 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: mamolian Don't forget the eve petition system is inundated with similar petitions.. For players in high positions in large alliances.. this is a heaven send.. Its that extra security and peace of mind.. that your account is almost 100% safe from hacking attempts..
I look at it like this:
so long as your login name is no where near the name of the character you play one your already half way there. Hell even a slight varriation provides decent protection
So long as your password isnt love, sex, or god (5 isk if you get that refrence), isnt at all related to the game you play and has a number in it you get decent protection.
Both of these combined can be called a two layer password as a hacker would need to be able to determine both your user name and password, a daunting task without the use of a virus, which your anti virus system would likely catch if its decent.
This device in my opinion would be CCP inadvertantly supporting the isk blackmarket. There are plenty of refrences on the net from other MMOs in which gold sellers implant trojans and keyloggers on their customers to steal the gold and anything else they can back so its not a CCP scare tactic. What this device does is protect the isk buyer from said viri and forces the isk seller to be honest which in turn, when players see that the backstabbing cant happen anymore will be more willing to cheat and use the isk seller which would lead to either overwelming the CSR's (or whatever abriveation they perfer) trying to track isk buyers and would most certainly tank the games economy from wide scale use of isk sites.
For alliance protection, EVERY alliance director or anyone who has access to assets, wallet or what have you would need to have this to provide protection. All or none, which is what we currently have. By practicing safe surfing, such as NOT going to isk seller sites, using a diffrent email than the one you used to register with the game when registering on fan sites and so forth your odds of getting a virus from another source not related to eve yet it being from an isk seller site is quite small.
Blizzard can do this due to the high level of sharding that has occured in WoW, each servers economic situation doesnt affect the other, so if ones economy tanks, the others wont. We on the other hand live on a single massive server and dont have that sort of built in safe guard.
Just for some defense against WoW players who get accounts hacked. Since WoW allows for the custom programming of AddOns there are cases where keyloggers are placed in the AddOn. It is impossible to determine a safe Mod from an unsafe one and virus programs won't catch it. Hell, Avast! even thought the file that Blizzard uses fro system spec scanning was a virus for one day till it got fixed.
All I'm saying is, not everybody who gets their account hacked was buying Gold. Yes, you could stop using AddOns, but AddOns are fun.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.03.20 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Jacob Mei on 20/03/2009 21:49:00
Originally by: mamolian
Stuff...
Ill be honest man you sound paranoid with a good dose of a lack of common sence.
1. Any major alliance leader/director/T2 BPO owner/producer/wealthy player.. who is worried about possible theft of his/her login details.. will own such a device.. And will not be required to be asked to go purchase one..
Lets say I am a director of an alliance and there are, for arguement sake, 12 other directors. 11 of us gets this thing, one doesnt. That one happens to get hacked/virused/what have you. It only takes one unlocked window to let a thief into your house so you WILL HAVE TO REQUIRE all members to have this for an alliance, there is no two aways about it and as a fellow customer honestly good luck telling other fellow customers to get it if they dont want it.
The T2 BPO, producer, wealthy owner has various free alternatives in the game already, such as not telling other people they have a t2 BPO to begin with, not advertising they are multi trillianares and so forth.
2. There are many different ways account details can be stolen.. Corporate/Alliance infiltration.. trust building.. Virii/trojans/keyloggers.. from completely unrelated sources to either the game or Isk selling websites..
The only way your account would be hacked due to corporate/alliance infilitration is if you had your details in the secure section of your clan forum and if you frankly are that idiotic to do something like that you deserve what is coming to you.
Trust building..... Do you tell your girlfriend/boyfriend/what have you your social security, bank account and pin number because you trust them? I certainly hope not, so why would you tell someone you met online that info?
3. Virii/trojans/keyloggers..
The odds of getting a virus from say an x rated site that implants a trojan on your computer for your eve online password is insignifiantly small, they are more likely interested in getting you to type out your CC in the next time you make a purchase.
4. It comes down to this.. almost 100% account security for those amongst us who are not entirely computer literate.
This stuff is fundimentally basic. You run an anti virus every time you go to a questionable site or the AV goes off (if you are surfing without an AV then God help you) due to a virus.
You -DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHARE YOUR PASSWORD WITH ANYONE, PERIOD-
If you are paranoid about the stuff you have aquired in game you take steps to hide it where a hacker wont find it such as in an anchored secure container in high sec. Even if someone finds the container they cant break into it and the things are so hard to crack that it would take an armada of ships and concord looking the other way to destroy it and even then they wouldnt have the item.
Quite frankly if CCP were to release such a thing it would be an utter waste of time and investment on their part. Look I really dont like sounding like an ass in the F&D forum but your coming up with some pretty weak reasons for such a thing.
Quote: Just for some defense against WoW players who get accounts hacked. Since WoW allows for the custom programming of AddOns there are cases where keyloggers are placed in the AddOn. It is impossible to determine a safe Mod from an unsafe one and virus programs won't catch it. Hell, Avast! even thought the file that Blizzard uses fro system spec scanning was a virus for one day till it got fixed.
All I'm saying is, not everybody who gets their account hacked was buying Gold. Yes, you could stop using AddOns, but AddOns are fun.
Okay fair enough I can buy that however this is eve where your not allowed to have plugins and any tool that are released the author releases the source code to show there is no viri in it. Where as the WoW situation calls for something like this for its players the Eve situation does not. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.21 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei pretty weak reasons for such a thing.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2009.03.21 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: Jacob Mei pretty weak reasons for such a thing.
Go out of my face you ****in ******.
Dude you know I didnt resort to profanity but if you cant critisim of an idea and people poking holes in your reasoning your ideas will never be taken seriously. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
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