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Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:59:00 -
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So I've finally convinced a buddy to give the EVE trial another go. The last time he tried it out on his own went disastrously and he gave up on the game after 3 days citing boredom.
Does anyone have any ideas of what I can suggest he do with 14 days time or next 0 skills points in order to get hooked on the game?
Alternatively what events were the catalysts for you to get hooked? Personally I got a caracal of mine ganked in lowsec back in 2008 and the rush of PvP is what hooked me.
*edit - I'm aware of the buddy trial, but he had already set up his trial account without letting me know so I couldn't toss him the 21 day trial. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3552
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:03:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote:So I've finally convinced a buddy to give the EVE trial another go. The last time he tried it out on his own went disastrously and he gave up on the game after 3 days citing boredom.
Does anyone have any ideas of what I can suggest he do with 14 days time or next 0 skills points in order to get hooked on the game?
Alternatively what events were the catalysts for you to get hooked? Personally I got a caracal of mine ganked in lowsec back in 2008 and the rush of PvP is what hooked me.
*edit - I'm aware of the buddy trial, but he had already set up his trial account without letting me know so I couldn't toss him the 21 day trial.
Spend a little time with him in a similar ship (ie: a T1 frigate)
Once he's got a few days worth of skills in, set him up with an appropriately fitted ship and get him to help you with stuff you're doing (if you PvP he can tackle, if you mission, he can kill frigates, etc etc)
Talk him through some basic market trading, production, etc. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:10:00 -
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get him involved in blowing somebody up, as many rifters as it takes |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:14:00 -
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Looking back at my own recent newbie experience - there's just no way. Until I reached about 3-4 mil SP it was touch and go. Lack of SP really limits the number and depth of things you can do. However somewhere between 6 and 8 million SP things started to get interesting. And right now I have enough PLEX to cover myself until winter.
So, my advice is keep holding his hand for about 3 months and make sure he focuses on something he likes and trains for it specifically. Self-sufficiency should be pretty high on the list. At least for me it was.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:27:00 -
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Simple answer, RvB. Even total newbs can have fun making stuff esplode - plus pretty much everyone is in it for the lols so there is a really good atmosphere.
Also, as has already been touched on, get him to focus on one races frigs and weapons, that way he can hold his own in much less time (really wish somebody told me that early on...) Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:36:00 -
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Yeah I'm going to make sure he knows to specialize, and if possible convince him to go on a roam with me.
I've also told him to try and to some high sec exploration when he's on his own, i think he might be able to do some basic small sites within 14 days. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1109
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:39:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:get him involved in blowing somebody up, as many rifters as it takes
This. Go gank someone with him. EVE is the only MMO where PvP has real consequences - he's new, his blood will start pumping and he'll be hooked. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Forest Archer
Ethos Mythos Pathos
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:13:00 -
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If he has any interest In pvp help him get a bit of action killing someone in lowsec or null, but it is hard to get people to a reasonable point in 14 days. Have him/her set a goal and help them towards it they can always change direction later. If you need help feel free to ask. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1109
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:15:00 -
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Forest Archer wrote:it is hard to get people to a reasonable point in 14 days.
you can be completely capable of ganking someone within 24h of character creation. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:16:00 -
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Forest Archer wrote:If he has any interest In pvp help him get a bit of action killing someone in lowsec or null, but it is hard to get people to a reasonable point in 14 days. Have him/her set a goal and help them towards it they can always change direction later. If you need help feel free to ask.
Thanks for the offer. I've got a pretty decent wealth of knowledge about the game (I've played on and off since 07) so I don't think there's much I'd need help with.
The main thing I'm looking for are ideas of things I can have him try that would get him hooked that he can actually do within the 14 day trial. That's where I'm drawing a blank. |
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Bohoba
Blue Ice Melts
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:19:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:get him involved in blowing somebody up, as many rifters as it takes This. Go gank someone with him. EVE is the only MMO where PvP has real consequences - he's new, his blood will start pumping and he'll be hooked.
this ^^
the tutorals are bugged as hell I just started 3 new accounts and the first 2 well if I was not an old hand at the game I would have been total frustrated I mean getting mods your told to install on your ship and you don't have the skill for it lol so u have to mine up to get the isk to get the skill to install the mod so you can complete the mission Cald was real bad Gall was ok still buggy but ya that will turn off a new player real fast.
oh what I did with my grandson was both hopped into a shuttle and ran to the end of o.o and back we had a blast lol Baddie got us on the last gate out but was great fun |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1109
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:19:00 -
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train to fly a t1 gank rifter, fly alongside him, profit. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
DU1 -Sia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:24:00 -
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Splash some cash on him, get him in a destroyer, with back ups, and go on a roam in null with him. Perhaps a quick tackle lesson on some rats first.
If he tried before he will know of the time for skills, but show him how much fun can be had with very little and he should realize the potential. |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
52
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:31:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:train to fly a t1 gank rifter, fly alongside him, profit.
I've already told him that by the end of the 14 day trial, we'll have murdered someone together. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:35:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Simple answer, RvB. Even total newbs can have fun making stuff esplode - plus pretty much everyone is in it for the lols so there is a really good atmosphere.
Also, as has already been touched on, get him to focus on one races frigs and weapons, that way he can hold his own in much less time (really wish somebody told me that early on...)
This. Perhaps consider giving yourself and your friend a 21 day trial and start a fresh toon with him (he chooses the race) and you work together. If he hits snags, you'll hit the same snags and you two work them out.
If you are financially able to, have your friend train cybernetics to 1 and buy hit a set of +3s. In RVB podding is not permitted. Also dump a few million isk on your friend so that he can have some ships to pop while learning. Find a weekend fleet in RVB and go to town. Yeah, it is mini-blob warfare, but if your friend has his name on a few kill-mails it might be enough blood in the water to keep him going.
If he sticks around, I would recommend a training path handle level 3 missions so that he can stay awash in cheap PVP frigates if need be. Perhaps even run him down the basic road to make his own ammo so that he understands the value of loot and such.
My two hundredths of an isk.
-Mad Don't think of it as a nerf to drone poop, just think of it as a buff to metal scraps. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1109
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:05:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote: My two hundredths of an isk.
I call them isklets. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
160
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:08:00 -
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I think it depends a lot on what he's into, but most importantly get him involved with other people. Get him to join Eve University or RvB. Pay for a few Agony classes for him. I think that's what gets most people to stick around, when they feel they're part of something (thrown into an NPC corp doesn't count). |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
758
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:09:00 -
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i scanned some wormholes down and brought my 5-day old coworker's pilot into w-space, showed him the New Eden gate, took him back through another wh into the southern coalition deployment where I told him to warp to 100 to the station where AAA threw carriers and **** with fighter drones out trying to kill this civilian shield booster punisher i was kind of shocked that a goddamn punisher km got this sort of response, but i was really shocked that he managed to get away
unfortunately he eventually died because he didn't know how to warp to gates except through autopilot, but he had a good time |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
488
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:18:00 -
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I tryed my hardest to get my rl friends to play but they are older. (30ish) They were hardcore mmos players who played wow, aion, ffxi and some others. Hell, one even helps run mlg. Their excuse was they heard too many bad things about the game and was too complicated. If they have never played a mmo before it would have been a lot easier to get the to play. With all the other theme park mmos out today its too hard to get people who have played them to come play eve. Just my own experiance. I have more space likes than you.-á |
Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
15
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:38:00 -
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When I first played EVE, within the trial time, I found some nearby lowsec on the map, took my coercer there, warped blindly to belts, and got in a fight with a crusader -- which actually didn't go too badly for me, because he kept running into rocks. So he warped off and a cruiser came in and popped me. Shortly after this, I arranged a 1v1 with someone, went into lowsec with them, and then had the bright idea of getting the jump on him and starting the fight early... under gate guns. The impairor I brought out a minute later to loot my wreck also died to the gate guns :(
Sometime later, I decided that I wanted a Blood Raider frigate. How do you get those? By doing missions in nullsec, of course! I managed to complete one mission (in either an executioner or a punisher) before the locals camped the station and put me on the express train back to highsec.
At one point during this, I found an OOG site that had galaxy-wide market prices, and decided to make money by finding the absolute cheapest trit and selling it where it'd sell the most. The absolute cheapest trit was somewhere way out in the nullsec 'north'. Looking back, I'm pretty sure a pilgrim killed me when I undocked in a shuttle bearing 50m3 of the cheapest trit around (after ~40 jumps). All I saw before I died was darkness and drones.
I had some considerably better experiences later on, but this stuff is what hooked me on EVE. I don't remember anything about the old player experience except that Aura talked more. I don't remember a single word of any of the mission text. I don't remember the first time I mined. But I remember darkness and drones.
These days, in Rookie Help, the go-to suggestions are RvB (safe, cuddly pvp in a cramped and featureless highsec battlefield, blobs, arranged 1v1s against people who don't fit points, and more!) and PvE. What does this Letter of Recommendation do? Nothing! Trash it! You'll just die a lot and then not be able to PvE in half of highsec! Should I go into this wormhole? No! It's dangerous! When can I go into nullsec? Only when you're all grown up, little one. Or better yet: never. There's just death out there. |
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DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:43:00 -
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You have been around since 07, so since you should make isk fairly easy.. first thing to do is buy him a plex.. get his account fully activated so he is not stuck to trial limits and feels more attactched to the game ( plus increases your 14 day problem) .. if he is a buddy of yours, getting him a plex should be no problem to you... I had to buy 4 plexes for my neighbor before he could run on his own.. if you are training him up and taking him on lo sec raids, you will be getting your isk worth back.. so now that he has this time, start applying some of these other answers to your question people have posted.. make sure to show him hi sec D scan anomalies and static 1-2/10 ded sites and how to find them also.. really helps a noob getoff on his own with isk quick and feel more special about his lowly position in the game by having a good income compared to the avrg noob |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
52
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:02:00 -
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DonHel wrote:You have been around since 07, so since you should make isk fairly easy.. first thing to do is buy him a plex.. get his account fully activated so he is not stuck to trial limits and feels more attactched to the game
I'd have no problem getting a plex for him, but I'm not forcing the dude to play the game. If he likes the game and wants to continue beyond the trial i'll get him a plex. He's a friend not an indentured servant. The problem lies with getting him to want to continue.
As an update, A friend and I were just trying to defend some customs offices in lowsec. I told my buddy who's on the trial about it, and he warped in and valiantly assaulted the attackers in his impairor. He exploded 3 seconds later and was laughing hysterically. |
DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:04:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote:DonHel wrote:You have been around since 07, so since you should make isk fairly easy.. first thing to do is buy him a plex.. get his account fully activated so he is not stuck to trial limits and feels more attactched to the game I'd have no problem getting a plex for him, but I'm not forcing the dude to play the game. If he likes the game and wants to continue beyond the trial i'll get him a plex. He's a friend not an indentured servant. The problem lies with getting him to want to continue. As an update, A friend and I were just trying to defend some customs offices in lowsec. I told my buddy who's on the trial about it, and he warped in and valiantly assaulted the attackers in his impairor. He exploded 3 seconds later and was laughing hysterically.
all the more reason to plex him, quit being cheap and using words like indentured servant to cover it.. |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:12:00 -
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DonHel wrote:all the more reason to plex him, quit being cheap and using words like indentured servant to cover it..
No need to turn this thread into an argument like every other thread in general discussion.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
521
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:35:00 -
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While I know many will disagree, however I feel that instancing the NPE would be very beneficial to new player retention. It would allow CCP to better control how players develop in their first couple days, it will also allow CCP to add more of a indepth storyline for players to get a better understanding of the lore of New Eden. You could also add in a mechanic that would allow for something like a new player thunderdome to get new players a better understanding and use to PVP, while going against similar skilled players. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1330
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:44:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote: As an update, A friend and I were just trying to defend some customs offices in lowsec. I told my buddy who's on the trial about it, and he warped in and valiantly assaulted the attackers in his impairor. He exploded 3 seconds later and was laughing hysterically.
That is exactly how I got addicted to the game.
The sooner you realize ships are to be used and thrown away, not coddled and cared for, you understand EVE.
I think your friend has got a good start and I'd be surprized if he didn't stick around.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:45:00 -
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Joseph Dreadloch wrote:DonHel wrote:all the more reason to plex him, quit being cheap and using words like indentured servant to cover it.. No need to turn this thread into an argument like every other thread in general discussion.
not trying to start an argument, I just find that a player who has a full account early is more then likely to delve into the game and feel like part of the community faster the someone who looks at the market and says 500 mil isk wtf I cant ever make that, this is to slow and I cant do anything and dont want to pay 15 bucks to do nothing for another month ( though there is really plenty to do.. this is the general feeling) |
Landrae
Sinners Among Saints Tus Network
315
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:52:00 -
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Get him into a catalyst as fast as possible! No better way to start eve than with hulkageddon!
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |
MadraRuaa
Heavy Asset Relocation Inc
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:15:00 -
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Send him to Jita to watch the vulgar display of power, if that carnage is not enough to keep him interested then.... The problem with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and putting things in it. |
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