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Syn1
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:06:00 -
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Is there a superiority in the effectiveness of Amarr AFs/interceptors versus Minmatar AFs/interceptors in solo pvp? Whaat about in small gang pvp? Is the difference (if any) significant or just very minimal?
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:14:00 -
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The retribution is better at taking punishment and raw power than the mimitar AF and makes a great small gang ship but mimitar AF can solo very well indeed.
Mimitar intis are not in good shape while the Amarr sader is one of the best you can get.
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Myrkala
Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 The retribution is better at taking punishment and raw power than the mimitar AF and makes a great small gang ship but mimitar AF can solo very well indeed.
Mimitar intis are not in good shape while the Amarr sader is one of the best you can get.
You can't take away the 4 mids from the Stiletto though, those ARE useful. But for dogfighting I don't know. "Ruppie ain't no puppie." |
z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:20:00 -
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ishkur and tarnais. á á
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Syn1
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:42:00 -
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Thanks for the answers.
Concerning pure solo pvp, how does the crusader compare to the wolf or jaguar?
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Myrkala
Minmatar Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Syn1 Thanks for the answers.
Concerning pure solo pvp, how does the crusader compare to the wolf or jaguar?
They have very high native resists to EM and Thermal which you will be shooting at them.
A plated wolf will last a while with 90% EM and 67,5% Therm resists, some might even tank your damage, it will be similar with a Jag but they tend to tank more. "Ruppie ain't no puppie." |
baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:55:00 -
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I wouldnt realy advise taking on assault ships with intercepters.
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 I wouldnt realy advise taking on assault ships with intercepters.
Except for a Light Missile Hawk or an Ishkur there's not much an AF could do against a decent Sader pilot. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP. |
Syn1
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:14:00 -
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What I mean is, using wolf/jaguar or crusader/retribution in solo pvp, not against each other. Does any ship have a significant advantage in the number of targets it would be able to fight effectively against?
This character is an alt, my main is indy heavy. In the very long term, I want to beeline this char's skills on 1. AF/Interceptors 2. Bships
I hate the look of Minmatar ships (except Rift/Jag/Wolf) but I respect the potential their small ships have in solo pvp. I am debating whether going Amarr small ships for solo pvp would be ok in order to waste less SP by crosstraining around, or whether I should go for Minmatar AFs and then cross spec to Amarr Bships eventually.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty
Originally by: baltec1 I wouldnt realy advise taking on assault ships with intercepters.
Except for a Light Missile Hawk or an Ishkur there's not much an AF could do against a decent Sader pilot.
Its rather easy to drive off a sader in a retri.
Originally by: Syn1 What I mean is, using wolf/jaguar or crusader/retribution in solo pvp, not against each other. Does any ship have a significant advantage in the number of targets it would be able to fight effectively against?
If your going solo then a sader will do nicely but the retri is a no go since it only has the one slot and the vengence is only good if auto cannons are fitted.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.03.20 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 20/03/2009 03:24:18 The Sader is a nice interceptor. It's fast-ish, pulse lasers are a decent weapon system (good range) and it mounts four of them. It can do ~100ish DPS outside of web range (though very close to overheated web range).
The Ranis does more gank but has a much shorter range (e.g. inside their web and scram range).
Amarr AFs however are lacking compared to the minmatar options. The Retri has one mid slot which means it can't tackle. The Vengeance has a rocket bonus Honestly dunno what you're supposed to do with either.
Minmatar AFs... the 400mm plated Wolf is very chewy to fight against. You also see a fair few dual-MSE jaguars about and I guess they're chewy too. Even with just one MSE it's not bad HP-wise and it's a bit quicker than a plated AF.
No clue about their interceptors. On paper they look sufficiently worse compared to my other options for me not have given them a try yet. Four mid-slots does look interesting (shield buffer? tracking disruptor? multi-points?).
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Tactical Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.20 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain No clue about their interceptors. On paper they look sufficiently worse compared to my other options for me not have given them a try yet. Four mid-slots does look interesting (shield buffer? tracking disruptor? multi-points?).
The Stiletto doesn't really have the PG for much buffer, so I tend to just fly untanked with whatever type of EWar my gang wants. I guess you could use a MAPC and an MSE, making it almost a heavy tackler. I might have to try that soon.
As for the claw, 400mm plate fits can be fun and very survivable in gangs as a heavy tackle, but I'm not going to say it's the best ship for the job (that MSE stiletto I considered above is looking like it can take that role, I really need to try that. Only thing it's missing is half the DPS, which will only make a difference in certain frig gangs). ----
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UMEE
Tactical Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.20 04:56:00 -
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AF's: jaguar ceptors: crusader (for long range tackle and dogfights), stiletto (just for tackle/EWAR)
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lljkDeathscythe
Carebear Poachers plc SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: z0de ishkur and tarnais.
qft, dont even think of flying anything else except maybe 1 of the matar AFs and thats pushing it..
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Vyllana
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Posted - 2009.03.20 06:17:00 -
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Nothing wrong with harpies either, several viable fits for it.
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