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Psycho Nomad
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:03:00 -
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I'm seriously considering goin loco. The only hangups i have are the sec status problems and the difficulty of making enough money to have a nice flow of ships.
I'm about to make a corp, i've been putting together for a while, public, and i'm torn between being a strictly law abiding Merc/PVP corp or switchin up and flippin the plans into a highly organized crime syndicate. The structure is VERY there. And applying it to a more underworld frame would be easy. theres just a few logistical and monetary questions i can't answer as acurately as i'de like.
Like, how viable would havin'g pos's be to a crime syndicate? Is there any way of keeping the sec status issue under control without having to grind missions/Ratt endlessly? (BOOOOOORINGGGG) Whats the best way to negate logistical difficulties if sec statuses DO drop to below -5 at any point.
I can presume the difficulties may possibly outweigh the fun to be had, so a balance must be found.
i have a few theories as to how to put it together already but i'm here asking for input from you lot aswell for obvious reasons
any advice would be greatly received. ----- I corpse tank... Ships r for noobs. |
Psycho Nomad
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:05:00 -
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oh, by the way, the reason i'm possibly gonna make this choice is its a game at the end of the day, and piracy simply seems like by far the most fun to be had. It's just a shame u get punished for it so much. ----- I corpse tank... Ships r for noobs. |
Doomicon
DOG Unit Alpha
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:12:00 -
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I had this same question about 2 days ago. I'm semi-interested in the answer, but me personally... I'm throwing all caution into the vacum.
Started selling all my stuff this morning, have about 11mil ISK, and gonna take my n00b 2.6mil sp and my Incursus to lowsec and not look back.
hisec is booooring. don't really care if I make it, it's a game.
I figure I'll be reduced to trying rat <0.4 in a Velator in a week, but no worries here
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Sol'Kanar
SRIUS BISNIS Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:12:00 -
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Lo-sec pirates have logistical complications when they tank their sec status. I'd recommend having an alt for moving ships and mods between high and low security space.
Lo-sec is sparsely populated, and the majority of pilots there are looking for kills just like you are. This makes profit from PvP alone difficult. It's doable, but you'll still be considered part of the shanty town of eve.
Welcome to the projects.
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Meldanor
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Meldanor on 20/03/2009 15:20:02
Originally by: Sol'Kanar Lo-sec pirates have logistical complications when they tank their sec status. I'd recommend having an alt for moving ships and mods between high and low security space.
Lo-sec is sparsely populated, and the majority of pilots there are looking for kills just like you are. This makes profit from PvP alone difficult. It's doable, but you'll still be considered part of the shanty town of eve.
Welcome to the projects.
This is pretty dead on if you're talking about making piracy your only cash flow. With my particular style I have done decently and have continued to see profits, but I'm not one to jump into battle just for the sake of doing so. If you plan on trying to make money doing this you have to weigh the risk vs profit of each of your battles and try to engage in those that will hopefully net you nice sums while risking very little. But even then, it's still a very difficult proposition. |
Alia Xi
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:21:00 -
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Piracy is the best fun you can have at a computer with your clothes on - fact!
If you're going to do it, do it properly! To hell with sec status and ratting to keep it under control. Move to low sec, live there and run with it.
By all means make a hauler alt to move stuff around with - it's necessary when you're at -5 or below. Some people whine about metagaming, but unless you have a reliable empire pilot willing to haul your stuff into low sec then it's a logistical nightmare.
If you find yourself really hard up for cash (avoid this by ransoming, being careful and using cheaper things) then you can always rat or even mission in low sec . It's the back end of space, but there are still facilities here.
If there's a few of you, in cheap but well fitted ships you'll be able to ransom/pillage targets much larger your size and earn a decent living.
Don't worry, being blinky is fun - you'll like it
Blog | Larkonis Tassler 4 CSM |
Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:26:00 -
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Pirate for fun.
Make isk with a carebear alt. |
Montmorency
The Athiest Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:28:00 -
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get a hauler alt with a freighter or a jump freighter(dear god they do wonders for logistics) and your all set.
the isk isnt to much of a problem if u got the skills and live in the right place
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari Path Of The Cursed
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:30:00 -
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I haven't run missions or anything of that sort for a couple months, and I routinely pull in plenty of cash. :)
With all my Love, 'Little Cinnamon'
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 20/03/2009 15:44:18 Getting my Yarr on was the best decision I've made thus far in Eve.
EDIT: Personally i see-saw between poor and flush, if you know how to make isk either on your ebil piwate character, or get enough from ransoms then you'll be fine.
Fly Frigs and Cruisers, join a good corp.
[i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1 |
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn I haven't run missions or anything of that sort for a couple months, and I routinely pull in plenty of cash. :)
You're hanging out in Youl! That's what, 0.8?
Eek, but so do I. Am I'm almost back at 5.0. Keep my alts at neg sec tho..
..but to get back at topic; the "easier" low sec incomes would be ransoming, or having a [good] gatecamp going. With good I mean the whole she-bang, scouting, proper setup, multiple safespots near gate, etc. You need to be cost-effective so if you can mix cheap t1 hulls/t2 fits with instalocking HIC and good scouting you're set.
The tougher would be to try to live on other pirates, which basicly means that you have to better than the average, and solo.. which is a risk in itself.
And the middle-man version would be to go with alts to make your isk. Like trader, missionrunner, hauler, or the best but most timeconsuming (to get started), industrialist. This, however, semi-turn you into a carebear. Yup, I'm running this version. It's highly profitable but you can basicly do whatever you want in PvP. On the other hand you're circumventing the "fulltime pirate" idea.. 's a matter of opinion if you feel pirating is the be-all, end-all, thing.. or just something you feel like doing. -
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar Blood Money Bootcamp Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.20 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Doomicon I had this same question about 2 days ago. I'm semi-interested in the answer, but me personally... I'm throwing all caution into the vacum.
Started selling all my stuff this morning, have about 11mil ISK, and gonna take my n00b 2.6mil sp and my Incursus to lowsec and not look back.
hisec is booooring. don't really care if I make it, it's a game.
I figure I'll be reduced to trying rat <0.4 in a Velator in a week, but no worries here
This is the exact right approach to starting piracy. Just do it! Sure you'll have problems to solve, but at the same time, you'll be having the most fun you can have in this game, IMHO.
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:16:00 -
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Its easy enough to make another isk to get by as long as you fly what you can afford to lose.
I highly recommend Got cooch? the video where an incursis kicks 7 shades of **** out everything it encounters. á á
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:25:00 -
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Can someone suggest a few low-sec areas that are decently, but not overly, populated?
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Cortex Reaver
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Cortex Reaver on 20/03/2009 16:42:09
Originally by: Cutie Chaser Can someone suggest a few low-sec areas that are decently, but not overly, populated?
lawl yAehs pelas tell me waher alle teh killingz peopls are so I can taek teh killed
You have to investigate them. There's no single area that's going to be jam packed or "decently" populated in low sec it's kind of random. I would say anywhere high sec meets low sec usually has greater activity than low sec surrounded by low sec.
To the OP I would say no. It's nearly impossible to make a living off piracy alone. While yes in my opinion it's the most fun you can have in EvE completely, it doesn't pay for it'self and this is the trade off I guess. Anyone who says OH I MAKE X ON RANSOMS A WEEK AND IT PAYS FOR ALLL MY PIRACY is full of it because they're either lying or they're limiting themselves to flying rifters or t1 cruisers and getting cheap kills which can fund a crap ship hangar with ease. Anyway just my two cents
-CR
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Azirapheal
Amarr Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Doomicon I had this same question about 2 days ago. I'm semi-interested in the answer, but me personally... I'm throwing all caution into the vacum.
Started selling all my stuff this morning, have about 11mil ISK, and gonna take my n00b 2.6mil sp and my Incursus to lowsec and not look back.
hisec is booooring. don't really care if I make it, it's a game.
I figure I'll be reduced to trying rat <0.4 in a Velator in a week, but no worries here
this is what i did in my second week of life, still going :D
the yarr is strong with you... contact ronindata ingame and tell him azi sent you
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Nexus Kinnon
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:53:00 -
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Apparently gate camping can be quite profitable if you manage to take over a lowsec pocket which has a trade pipe running through it.
Quote: It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Psycho Nomad I'm seriously considering goin loco.
...says the self-proclaimed psycho.
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
My Blog - Fighting for Eden |
Psycho Nomad
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:15:00 -
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thanks for all the replies, even though they havn't really given me anything i didn't know already.
What i'm tryna figure out is if its possible to set up a decent logistical side of a cartel. Let me explain.
Every good corp needs a solid logistical backing. Period. Now i'm thinkin its possible to set up a dedicated indy wing and spit out cheap ships/fittings for said pvp, while pushin a certain amount of 'x' item onto the local market (depending on the volume consistency/supply & demand reletive value of 'x' item... e.t.c.) as a means of growing capitol and begin to dominate an area of the local market. it'll be harder in low sec but hell, thats the fun of it. Now im talkin, find the best resources in the area i'm gonna be basin meself n the corp. Set up the minin agenda w/ combat support while gatherin intel on the sizes/organization/possible capabilities of other corps round the area, seek out the 'easy pickings' corps and grief the sheest outa them basically tellin them to feck orf cuz its our ground now. While aproaching the more 'contendable' pirate corps via a more diplomatic means, creating allies and whatnot through mutual self interest.
I think this is the best way of setting up a reliable logistical backbone.
the only problem really is breaking from my current ties, Im in a 0.0 anti pirate alliance, and have been from the first two weeks. So my choice would cut off any possible ties i would have had with them after breaking off, if i chose to stay 'str8'.
But then theres the whole argument of if being a game and piracy is by far the most fun to be had in eve. I'm talkin no small time mess about ****. I'm talkin majour mass scale organized crime syndicate ****zle. Obviously further down the line as it'l take time to build. eventually becoming an alliance. based on brute force, machiavelle, bullying griefing and general piracy to do what is needed to get big time.... yagets me drift.
The only problem, as mentioned is not knowing how difficult it'll be to set up something so organized, and for it to pay off well enough to be successfull... not to mention the difficulty in knowing wether any other pirate organization is dam trust worthy enough to build something more outa the roots of what i have planned.
so what say you? worth goin for it? ----- I corpse tank... Ships r for noobs. |
Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Chomin H''ak on 20/03/2009 17:42:30
Originally by: Psycho Nomad What i'm tryna figure out is if its possible to set up a decent logistical side of a cartel. Let me explain.
Every good corp needs a solid logistical backing. Period. Now i'm thinkin its possible to set up a dedicated indy wing and spit out cheap ships/fittings for said pvp, while pushin a certain amount of 'x' item onto the local market (depending on the volume consistency/supply & demand reletive value of 'x' item... e.t.c.) as a means of growing capitol and begin to dominate an area of the local market. it'll be harder in low sec but hell, thats the fun of it. Now im talkin, find the best resources in the area i'm gonna be basin meself n the corp. Set up the minin agenda w/ combat support while gatherin intel on the sizes/organization/possible capabilities of other corps round the area, seek out the 'easy pickings' corps and grief the sheest outa them basically tellin them to feck orf cuz its our ground now. While aproaching the more 'contendable' pirate corps via a more diplomatic means, creating allies and whatnot through mutual self interest.
I think this is the best way of setting up a reliable logistical backbone.
I'll tell you what I've done, though I'm not a low sec dweller as of yet.
Get your main's trading skills up. You can get the skills set up to be able to trade throughout the entire region without leaving home. I do everything with my main just because I only use one client. Nothing ticked me off as much as having to log out and then log back in and contract this or that to my main and then repeat. Plus, if you want to see how sales/purchases are faring, you can't simply open up the market, you have to do the log-out/log-in(X2).
I'm not saying this is the best way, I'm just saying it saves time and allows you more comprehensive control over your orders.
It helps to have an indy hauler to move frigs/mods/ammo, but bigger than that and it's a true investment of time away from your main's potential. Anything bigger than frigs and buy a cruiser/whatever BPO, research it, move it to a low sec manufacturing wing, and make a metric crapton of those to PvP in/sell (you can make a nice sum by selling in low sec, though the volume isn't usually as good).
If you're talking about a POS, then low sec is not the place unless you're skilled/experienced enough or have a small armada backing you, imo. Logistically, it's a nightmare for a small corp.
(unless you're dual client-ing, then everything I said is moot)
I personally research/trade on my main so I have easier access, but that's my style. If I had it my way, everyone else would do the same. Screw alts (especially if they're cute)
Edit: Yes, definitely go for it, no matter how. Do what you want, it's your game.
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
My Blog - Fighting for Eden |
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zombeee
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.20 19:40:00 -
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You can make enough and more, but you need friends. Solo pirate is a setup for failure. Join a corp.
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Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
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Posted - 2009.03.20 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: zombeee You can make enough and more, but you need friends. Solo pirate is a setup for failure. Join a corp.
....says the alt in the newb corp.
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
My Blog - Fighting for Eden |
TimMc
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chomin H'ak
Originally by: zombeee You can make enough and more, but you need friends. Solo pirate is a setup for failure. Join a corp.
....says the alt in the newb corp.
It is true though. Solo PvP will seldom make you money. You will replace ships often and when you hit a hauler you will not be able to get it.
Organised pirate corps that keep their losses low can make it profitable, but more often than not its just entertainment. However bare in mind that camping a gate for 4 hours is pretty boring, but can be profitable.
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Lancer Maelstorm
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 20:20:00 -
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*** Incoming wall of text***
It is quite possible to make a living off of piracy, but if you are just starting off you will probably need to do a bit of piracy and carebear at the same time.
Back when I started to become a pirate, I based myself deep in low-sec a few jumps from a few 0.0 entry systems. I went out and bought/researched a few ammo/drone BPO's that I figured I could make a decent profit off of. It was a pretty dead place, but people were willing to buy bane torps/ fusion M for about three times the mineral value.
I had to buy/haul trit a few times (mind you a hauler full of trit covered a lot of ammo) I tried getting a few ship BPO's, but they were just not worth the effort, so I sold them.
I would do a few level 3 missions when I didnt feel like pirating, which would cover the rest of the needed minerals. I made about 20-30m profit a week off of my bpo's (Income - mineral value ofc)... not a lot, but it covered my stupid losses as I was learning how to PvP.
Anyhow, enough of the carebear stuff... The biggest tip would to be fly insurable stuff, Frigs work well once you are starting off, but once you figure out the systems and where people usually are, i'd say try to step it up to cruisers (Vexor if you train for t2 drones, thorax if you train for t2 guns, both are very nice) Personally, I chose the thorax, but failed miserably, as there were a lot of gatecamps where I was based out of.. so I stepped it up to a Brutix (Pre-web nerf though)
Low-sec is a challenging place to start PvPing by yourself, as stated by someone else, as there are a lot of pirates out there looking for kills as well... Though you can use that to an advantage, there might be a few people out there willing to take sentries to try to kill you, which will help you in the fight. Finding a Corporation will help you, but it definately is possible to learn solo as long as you have patience, common sence and a lot of time =)
// End wall
tl;dr version: Its possible, might need to carebear to cover some lossees, takes time to learn.
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N'tek alar
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: N''tek alar on 20/03/2009 22:26:16 Edited by: N''tek alar on 20/03/2009 22:25:32
Originally by: Psycho Nomad I'm seriously considering goin loco. The only hangups i have are the sec status problems and the difficulty of making enough money to have a nice flow of ships.
I'm about to make a corp, i've been putting together for a while, public, and i'm torn between being a strictly law abiding Merc/PVP corp or switchin up and flippin the plans into a highly organized crime syndicate. The structure is VERY there. And applying it to a more underworld frame would be easy. theres just a few logistical and monetary questions i can't answer as acurately as i'de like.
Like, how viable would havin'g pos's be to a crime syndicate?
Perfectly viable
Is there any way of keeping the sec status issue under control without having to grind missions/Ratt endlessly? (BOOOOOORINGGGG)
Don't pod, Do some ratting when not pirating, 0.0 is good for this (bring an af and you'll be fine), although now that there's BS rats in low sec, That might be enough as long as you don't pod
Whats the best way to negate logistical difficulties if sec statuses DO drop to below -5 at any point.
Hauler alts, Train them to fly a hauler capable of hauling up to BCs/command ships, and train BS 3.
I can presume the difficulties may possibly outweigh the fun to be had, so a balance must be found.
i have a few theories as to how to put it together already but i'm here asking for input from you lot aswell for obvious reasons
any advice would be greatly received.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:49:00 -
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I've made billions exclusively through piracy. If you can't then you're just doing it wrong. Piracy is the one profession that people won't succeed in if they're stupid or lazy.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Pirate for fun.
Make isk with a carebear alt.
Totally the wrong attitude.
Pirate to make 100% of your isk. If you don't, then you're not a pirate. You're a (very crappy) wanna be carebear PVPer.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.03.20 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cortex Reaver
To the OP I would say no. It's nearly impossible to make a living off piracy alone. While yes in my opinion it's the most fun you can have in EvE completely, it doesn't pay for it'self and this is the trade off I guess. Anyone who says OH I MAKE X ON RANSOMS A WEEK AND IT PAYS FOR ALLL MY PIRACY is full of it because they're either lying or they're limiting themselves to flying rifters or t1 cruisers and getting cheap kills which can fund a crap ship hangar with ease. Anyway just my two cents
-CR
You're in Accursed and you're spewing the above crap? What the hell happened to Doc and how did he let you in his corp?
I make billions pirating and fly expensive (for most people) ships, and I don't run missions on an alt for ISK.
If you really believe what you said above, you're not a pirate.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Easley Thames
The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.20 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Pirate for fun.
Make isk with a carebear alt.
Totally the wrong attitude.
Pirate to make 100% of your isk. If you don't, then you're not a pirate. You're a (very crappy) wanna be carebear PVPer.
I agree with you about ransoms + loot being viable income but I know for a fact you run missions from previous posts you have made comparing expensive BS fits in PVE, so isn't this a bit hypocritical?
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Icekubez
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.21 01:32:00 -
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I know the question is about viability and I think that has been answered enuff. But on a side note seeming as you had to come here to ask showing ur not experianced and you havent learned to "survive" on your own yet in low/0.0 sec its in my opionion your not "yet" in a position to lead a corp in that enviroment.
It is a leader your signing upto being n all
jus sayin
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