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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:58:00 -
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TrollSuggestion Of The Day:
Delay CONCORD response time by a factor of 3, leaving gankers more time to deal damage, but let CONCORD confiscate/destroy the wreck of the victim as well as that of the ganker's ship. No loot for anyone.
Discuss. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:59:00 -
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I belive this person has failed to suicide gank.
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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:00:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I belive this person has failed to suicide gank. No, I am hoping for some ganker tears as well as a bit of constructive thought. |
Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:05:00 -
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Bad idea. It will make ganking only griefing tactics. Right now some well prepared suicide ganks are done for profit. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:06:00 -
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Shpenat wrote:Bad idea. It will make ganking only griefing tactics. Right now some well prepared suicide ganks are done for profit. It always gives the victim grief. Making it profitable does not change it. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:07:00 -
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Only if a ganker's criminal flag lasts until they make restitution to the victim and pay a fine for their actions. Until they do, they're shoot on sight in high-sec in concord systems and by the faction police/sentries that own the space in which the criminal action took place. The current policy of 15 minutes on the most wanted list is pretty insulting to the tough as nails professional gankers.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:12:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Only if a ganker's criminal flag lasts until they make restitution to the victim and pay a fine for their actions. Until they do, they're shoot on sight in high-sec in concord systems and by the faction police/sentries that own the space in which the criminal action took place. The current policy of 15 minutes on the most wanted list is pretty insulting for the tough as nails professional gankers.
Drop the flag altogether, but give a sec status penalty together with the confiscation/destruction of the items that are being fought over. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:16:00 -
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concord should be removed. Ganking receives a 1 hour GCC that allows anyone to shoot on sight and -5 sec status makes you remain that way until status is upgraded.
Let us govern ourselves. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:20:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Only if a ganker's criminal flag lasts until they make restitution to the victim and pay a fine for their actions. Until they do, they're shoot on sight in high-sec in concord systems and by the faction police/sentries that own the space in which the criminal action took place. The current policy of 15 minutes on the most wanted list is pretty insulting for the tough as nails professional gankers.
Drop the flag altogether, but give a sec status penalty together with the confiscation/destruction of the items that are being fought over. Only if the player's sec status immediately drops to -10 for willfully committing such a heinous, violent, murderous criminal act in civilized space. Even then there still needs to be some restitution made to the victim. Anything else is simply Welfare PvP.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:20:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:concord should be removed. Ganking receives a 1 hour GCC that allows anyone to shoot on sight and -5 sec status makes you remain that way until status is upgraded.
Let us govern ourselves. Sounds reasonable at first, but you will hate what it creates: self-declared space sheriffs in all of high-sec but who do not dare going into low-sec/0.0. |
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
297
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:22:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:THE L0CK wrote:concord should be removed. Ganking receives a 1 hour GCC that allows anyone to shoot on sight and -5 sec status makes you remain that way until status is upgraded.
Let us govern ourselves. Sounds reasonable at first, but you will hate what it creates: self-declared space sheriffs in all of high-sec but who do not dare going into low-sec/0.0.
I've always have been a firm believer that people can choose to go where they want. If they want to play sheriff of highsec, let them. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:23:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Only if the player's sec status immediately drops to -10 for willfully committing such a heinous, violent, murderous criminal act in civilized space. Even then there still needs to be some restitution made to the victim. Anything else is simply Welfare PvP. No. If the victim wants restitution then he can get it himself. |
Piquet Raddei
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:30:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:TrollSuggestion Of The Day:
Delay CONCORD response time by a factor of 3, leaving gankers more time to deal damage, but let CONCORD confiscate/destroy the wreck of the victim as well as that of the ganker's ship. No loot for anyone.
Discuss.
I see yet another player who doesn't have the talent or the balls to go outside the safeties of "high security space" to engage players that can actually shoot back...
How's that for a discussion? |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:32:00 -
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Piquet Raddei wrote:TWHC Assistant wrote:TrollSuggestion Of The Day:
Delay CONCORD response time by a factor of 3, leaving gankers more time to deal damage, but let CONCORD confiscate/destroy the wreck of the victim as well as that of the ganker's ship. No loot for anyone.
Discuss.
I see yet another player who doesn't have the talent or the balls to go outside the safeties of "high security space" to engage players that can actually shoot back... How's that for a discussion? I sense hate!! This idea needs to be implemented immediately. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:35:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Only if the player's sec status immediately drops to -10 for willfully committing such a heinous, violent, murderous criminal act in civilized space. Even then there still needs to be some restitution made to the victim. Anything else is simply Welfare PvP. No. If the victim wants restitution then he can get it himself. Then the sec loss should be permanent unless the victim "forgives" the criminal. Letting the players resolve conflict and ensuring that actions have consequences are important aspects of the sandbox.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:41:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Delay CONCORD response time by a factor of 3, leaving gankers more time to deal damage, but let CONCORD confiscate/destroy the wreck of the victim as well as that of the ganker's ship. No loot for anyone.
Learn to gank proper.
Take your ship loss with proud, instead of whining about your punishment. You know you will loose it like we carebears know, that we are not 100% save even in high sec.
Destroying the victims ship not just denies the loot to the ganker, it also denies the return of the remaining property to the victim, which might maybe get luckily faster back than you.
Greetings from a proud carebear
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
333
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:50:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:concord should be removed. Ganking receives a 1 hour GCC that allows anyone to shoot on sight and -5 sec status makes you remain that way until status is upgraded.
Let us govern ourselves.
So let's remove concord. 0.0 alliances then have their playground all together to gank people instead of fighting over turf in null sec. Since there is no concord plus the fact that high sec income needs to be nerfed even more it's easy to sit on the ABC's and moongoo and have plenty of Isk to pay for ship losses.
The thing is that most people who cry "Let's govern ourselves" are people who don't want to govern but to dictate. Most of them are members of large powerblocks who are virtually untouchable for others unless an even bigger powerblock of coalition of blocks decides to engage. And even then it can prove to be a long and ardous struggle. Mainly because of the "my blod is bigger than your blob" tactic.
0.0 is almost stagnant and only actions from CCP, some hardcore betrayal or just the loss of will are the things that make shifts possible.
I know exactly what happens once Concord would get removed, and so do the cry babies who wish for nothing more than being able to dip their e-peen into a concord free space with untrained combat pilots.
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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:19:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Then the sec loss should be permanent unless the victim "forgives" the criminal. Letting the players resolve conflict and ensuring that actions have consequences are important aspects of the sandbox. No. Whatever the victim did must have triggered the attack by the ganker. Each side has their own terms of truth and justice. CONCORD then already takes the side of the victim by destroying the ganker!
To ensure security must CONCORD destroy all wrecks so that no foundation remains for crime being a profitable business. Just like they are confiscating illegal goods do they need to apply the same principle here. |
TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:27:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:TWHC Assistant wrote:Delay CONCORD response time by a factor of 3, leaving gankers more time to deal damage, but let CONCORD confiscate/destroy the wreck of the victim as well as that of the ganker's ship. No loot for anyone. Gankers need to learn to gank proper. Gankers should take their ship loss with proud, instead of whining about their punishment. They know they will loose it like we carebears know, that we are not 100% save even in high sec. Destroying the victims ship not just denies the loot to the ganker, it also denies the return of the remaining property to the victim, which might maybe get luckily faster back than you. Greetings from a proud carebear What gankers need to learn is no one's business but the gankers'. Do not make CONCORD the teachers of gankers. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:40:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:And even then it can prove to be a long and ardous struggle. Mainly because of the "my blod is bigger than your blob" tactic. Not really. When your blob gets to significantly bigger, the other side begins discounting all their assets, and usually will not want their sov, POS, tech anyway.
It's odd how little these things are worth under the shadow of a supercapital fleet.
There is also the "fail cascade"] (which we are doing right now, am I right?) where the enemy alliance, being outblobbed, simply has member corps all go somewhere else... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
616
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:00:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I belive this person has failed to suicide gank. No, I am hoping for some ganker tears as well as a bit of constructive thought. Only works on three conditions
1. All ships BC and up...get 3x hitpoints. Hulks are excluded and recieve 10x the hitpoints of an Amarr titan. 2. Destroyers are nerfed to 5 guns and now require at least 60 days worth of skilling to jump into (more investment of time) 3. CONCORD Pods all the offending parties 4. Full Character death, character biomassed, account banned, and charge to the CC to start a new account.
Done, ganking is now harder, difficult, and costs more. Plus the tears of "I can't shoot it without repercussions" when the fact is...you can still shoot it peroid, it just doesn't die...makes the server fans where the forums locate kick into overdrive from the massive flood of whining |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
797
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:04:00 -
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Supported, with additional feature suggestion: Keystone Concord Cops
Concord should warp in with flashing lights and sirens blasting. Epic chase scenes should ensue across multiple systems with Concord ships smashing up vendor carts and upsetting patio furniture as they inevitably crash into one another.
Innocent bystanders at every gate should be encouraged to look panicky as they get bumped out of the way or accidently webbed or neuted by Concord.
At least one T1 hauler should get split in half by a Concord police cruiser barrel-rolling out of control.
The eventual sec-status hit should be inversely proportional to the damage done during the chase. Put on a good show and Concord lets you off easy. :) Here's your sign... |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
726
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:07:00 -
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Yes. Let us get away with murder. It's only fair. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:50:00 -
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Posting in train wreck thread. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Yatama Kautsuo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:57:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:concord should be removed. Ganking receives a 1 hour GCC that allows anyone to shoot on sight and -5 sec status makes you remain that way until status is upgraded.
Let us govern ourselves.
b+ñm, more than half of eve accounts unsubbed |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:57:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Only if the player's sec status immediately drops to -10 for willfully committing such a heinous, violent, murderous criminal act in civilized space. Even then there still needs to be some restitution made to the victim. Anything else is simply Welfare PvP.
Absolutely not. Being -10 should be something to brag about, a reward for those of us who truly care about harvesting the frozen corpses of the innocent. It is absolutely unacceptable to give this reward for a single pathetic highsec gank.
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The Crushah
the unified Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:01:00 -
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I think it would be cool to be able to "bribe" CONCORD and the Faction Police. A payment that lets them look the other way briefly while you do your dirty deed. You can make the bribe sufficiently high that it cannot be a regular thing, but for that carebear that absolutely, positively needs to die, you get a 2 minute window. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:04:00 -
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I seem to recall dozens of dead jump freighters and normal freighters this weekend from ganks. And there is a problem... where exactly? |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:08:00 -
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Yatama Kautsuo wrote:THE L0CK wrote:concord should be removed. Ganking receives a 1 hour GCC that allows anyone to shoot on sight and -5 sec status makes you remain that way until status is upgraded.
Let us govern ourselves. b+ñm, more than half of eve accounts unsubbed
You got the evidence to back that claim up or are you just assuming that many others would puss out like you? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.30 17:12:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:You got the evidence to back that claim up or are you just assuming that many others would puss out like you?
You seem to misunderstand: the 50% that would be leaving would be the highsec carebears who would be constantly ganked without CONCORD, not the gankers who would be in paradise for a few days until all of the faction-fitted mission battleships are dead. |
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