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King Dave
Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 18:49:16
Originally by: The Slayer
Originally by: King Dave
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB.
Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased!
Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...).
I don't see how that matters as you are the uber powerful goonswarm? They shouldn't of had any space anyway to have sov?!
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer
Originally by: King Dave
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB.
Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased!
Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...).
IMHO:
You will NEVER have certainty that the game isn't rigged. Human beings are (in large enough numbers) going to have a few who break the rules. THAT is a certainty. Asking for a large corporation (CCP) to be 100% honest, 100% of the time, is naive (again, imho).
You want to REALLY get CCP's attention, you will cancel your account - en mass. Complaining on the boards will probably (imho) accomplish nothing.
Getting 2500 people to cancel accounts, even temporarily, will make them sit up and take notice. If you can get an entire (unnamed) 0.0 alliance to cancel for one day - that would get the accountants and administrators on the case of the GM's/Developers to fix this NOW!
Otherwise, welcome to GM/Devs Eve-Online... And don't be surprised when it goes to p****!
No, I have no affiliation with any 0.0 entity, yes, this is my main, no I don't work for CCP... ________________________________________ Honor is that which you do when no one else is looking. |
Graubart
Gallente Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:00:00 -
[453]
Band of Developers
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KeratinBoy
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:01:00 -
[454]
Originally by: King Dave
I don't see how that matters as you are the uber powerful goonswarm? They shouldn't of had any space anyway to have sov?!
If you cheat when you are winning, you are a cheater and your accomplishments mean nothing.
If you cheat when you are losing, you are a cheater and your accomplishments mean nothing.
TAFKABoBTKNBoBRASJF:LFKJEI can't get ahead either way, which is ludicrous compared to their proclamations of 1337ness. Even with the deck stacked in their favour time and again, no lessons learned, no ability to do anything other than hide behind favouritism and broken mechanics.
Hell, their biggest supporter is Jade Constantine. What does that tell you?
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Marius Duvall
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 18:49:16
Originally by: The Slayer
Originally by: King Dave
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB.
Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased!
Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...).
I don't see how that matters as you are the uber powerful goonswarm? They shouldn't of had any space anyway to have sov?!
You're pretty dumb.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again)
So you want CCP to nerf their sov again, rather than claim space by shooting stuff? I think you spent too much time working in Gala Bingo mate --
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King Dave
Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 19:20:31
Originally by: Marius Duvall
You're pretty dumb.
You take this game pretty seriously for a goonie.
Originally by: KeratinBoy
If you cheat when you are winning, you are a cheater and your accomplishments mean nothing.
If you cheat when you are losing, you are a cheater and your accomplishments mean nothing.
TAFKABoBTKNBoBRASJF:LFKJEI can't get ahead either way, which is ludicrous compared to their proclamations of 1337ness. Even with the deck stacked in their favour time and again, no lessons learned, no ability to do anything other than hide behind favouritism and broken mechanics.
Hell, their biggest supporter is Jade Constantine. What does that tell you?
It doesn't actually tell me anything, i hardly read these forums, i thought Jade got caod banned years ago?
Anyway, I don't see how bob having their name changed is actually an advantage? I mean, you can surely steam-roll the insignificant space they own anyway?
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Varaxian
Amarr Corp 1 Allstars PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:19:00 -
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And so are you for taking pixle games to serious.
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Gail Sohmbadi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron So you want CCP to nerf their sov again, rather than claim space by shooting stuff? I think you spent too much time working in Gala Bingo mate
No, all anyone wants is CCP to either
a) rename BoBR to Kenzoku, and let them use IN GAME MECHANISMS to change their name, just like anyone else would have to.
or
b) Allow anyone to change their Alliance/Corporation/Character name via the petition system.
Anything other than one of these two options suggests that while we are all equal, some are more equal than others.
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King Dave
Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:22:00 -
[460]
Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 19:26:36
Originally by: Varaxian And so are you for taking pixle games to serious.
I have been playing since 03, i'm not gonna lie and pretend i don't take eve seriously :P
Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi
a) rename BoBR to Kenzoku, and let them use IN GAME MECHANISMS to change their name, just like anyone else would have to.
Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. It would be wrong if CCP didn't have any support for them (Customer loyalty?). Considering your sole mission in this game was to disrupt everyone else's gameplay, i don't see why CCP should favour your alliance atall?
I think you guys are just jealous and annoyed your called Goonswarm.
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
Bob was the oldest alliance ingame
Not true actually. The Phoenix Alliance still exists ya know.
Plus there's this alliance run by thins guy called Chribba...
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |
Marcus Druallis
Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 24/03/2009 19:35:18 Edited by: Marcus Druallis on 24/03/2009 19:34:32
Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 19:26:36
Originally by: Varaxian And so are you for taking pixle games to serious.
I have been playing since 03, i'm not gonna lie and pretend i don't take eve seriously :P
Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi
a) rename BoBR to Kenzoku, and let them use IN GAME MECHANISMS to change their name, just like anyone else would have to.
Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. It would be wrong if CCP didn't have any support for them (Customer loyalty?). Considering your sole mission in this game was to disrupt everyone else's gameplay, i don't see why CCP should favour your alliance atall?
I think you guys are just jealous and annoyed your called Goonswarm.
They have already shown their support to customer loyalty when they cheated for them in the past. Now it's favoritism --
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave You take this game pretty seriously for a goonie.
It is kind of odd how the goons will scam and swindle and do all kinds of mischief and then cry bitter tears if they think something is unfair.
Let My People Go |
King Dave
Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:37:00 -
[464]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis They have already shown their support to customer loyalty when they cheated for them in the past. Now it's favoritism
Well i don't see why your whining, they have hardly any space left anyway?
Originally by: Himo Amasacia
Originally by: King Dave
Bob was the oldest alliance ingame
Not true actually. The Phoenix Alliance still exists ya know.
Plus there's this alliance run by thins guy called Chribba...
Those alliances are relevant too i suppose. Considering they own less space than the alliance which was bob.
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Yonker
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:39:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: The Slayer
Originally by: King Dave
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
or, is this just yet another instance of, you guessed it, CCP cheating for BOB.
Yeh, that name change certainly gave bob an advantage! Damn you CCP for being so biased!
Perhaps you missed the part where it saved them from having to disband their alliance and reforum under the new name losing all sov claims (again) and having to fork out a billion isk for the new name (pocket change I know but they dont have r64's any more so...).
IMHO:
You will NEVER have certainty that the game isn't rigged. Human beings are (in large enough numbers) going to have a few who break the rules. THAT is a certainty. Asking for a large corporation (CCP) to be 100% honest, 100% of the time, is naive (again, imho).
You want to REALLY get CCP's attention, you will cancel your account - en mass. Complaining on the boards will probably (imho) accomplish nothing.
Getting 2500 people to cancel accounts, even temporarily, will make them sit up and take notice. If you can get an entire (unnamed) 0.0 alliance to cancel for one day - that would get the accountants and administrators on the case of the GM's/Developers to fix this NOW!
Otherwise, welcome to GM/Devs Eve-Online... And don't be surprised when it goes to p****!
No, I have no affiliation with any 0.0 entity, yes, this is my main, no I don't work for CCP... ________________________________________
Pretty sure the T20 scandal showed that a large body of players has the ability to affect the company in other ways than simply canceling their account.
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Marius Duvall
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:45:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Poreuomai It is kind of odd how the goons will scam and swindle and do all kinds of mischief and then cry bitter tears if they think something is unfair.
Game mechanics vs. GM intervention.
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Lieutenant EXTREME
Amarr Maximum Pulsing Golden Laser Geddongs with Lasers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:48:00 -
[467]
Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 19:26:36
Originally by: Varaxian And so are you for taking pixle games to serious.
I have been playing since 03, i'm not gonna lie and pretend i don't take eve seriously :P
Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi
a) rename BoBR to Kenzoku, and let them use IN GAME MECHANISMS to change their name, just like anyone else would have to.
Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over. It would be wrong if CCP didn't have any support for them (Customer loyalty?). Considering your sole mission in this game was to disrupt everyone else's gameplay, i don't see why CCP should favour your alliance atall?
I think you guys are just jealous and annoyed your called Goonswarm.
How are you this dumb for an '03 player? "Hey let's favor the older alliances with special favors to make it even more sucky for newer players."
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Piggyblink
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:51:00 -
[468]
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: King Dave You take this game pretty seriously for a goonie.
It is kind of odd how the goons will scam and swindle and do all kinds of mischief and then cry bitter tears if they think something is unfair.
Scamming and swindling is 100% allowed for everyone in Eve, name changes are not, you are pretty dumb. |
Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:01:00 -
[469]
Making petitions is also allowed.
Let My People Go |
Gail Sohmbadi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:04:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Poreuomai Making petitions is also allowed.
Yesterday, I petitioned to change the name of one of my alts. If it is accepted, I will complain no more. If it is denied, then this whole enterprise remains worthwhile.
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Soldis
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:09:00 -
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With what the cheating DEV/GM did, Kenzoku member corporations don't even have Kenzoku in their Alliance History tab. There is NO precendant for this.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Poreuomai Making petitions is also allowed.
Stian Empire really should have petitioned the spelling mistake in their name instead of having to disband and reform a new alliance costing an extra bil, and resetting all sov.
oh, hang on.
Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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john roe
Caldari Children of Gjallarhorn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:11:00 -
[473]
Originally by: Soldis With what the cheating DEV/GM did, Kenzoku member corporations don't even have Kenzoku in their Alliance History tab. There is NO precendant for this.
precedEnt* fixed it for'ya
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Gail Sohmbadi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over.
Since it obviously needs to be repeated:
SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares.
Unfortunately, Haargoth had the same roles in Tinfoil as SirMolle, and was only able to close the alliance in minutes because SirMolle had already removed the in-game safeguards.
Claiming that the disbanding of Bob was unfair is the same as saying that a person who didn't wear a helmet while motorcycling, then died of a head injury, died unfairly. In both cases, the safeguards were available, but they were willfully ignored.
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King Dave
Gallente The Glenn Quagmire Finishing School for Young Ladies Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 20:15:49
Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi
Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over.
Since it obviously needs to be repeated:
SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares.
Unfortunately, Haargoth had the same roles in Tinfoil as SirMolle, and was only able to close the alliance in minutes because SirMolle had already removed the in-game safeguards.
Claiming that the disbanding of Bob was unfair is the same as saying that a person who didn't wear a helmet while motorcycling, then died of a head injury, died unfairly. In both cases, the safeguards were available, but they were willfully ignored.
Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about.
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Soldis
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave Edited by: King Dave on 24/03/2009 20:15:49
Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi
Originally by: King Dave Bob was the oldest alliance ingame till you guys screwed them over.
Since it obviously needs to be repeated:
SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares.
Unfortunately, Haargoth had the same roles in Tinfoil as SirMolle, and was only able to close the alliance in minutes because SirMolle had already removed the in-game safeguards.
Claiming that the disbanding of Bob was unfair is the same as saying that a person who didn't wear a helmet while motorcycling, then died of a head injury, died unfairly. In both cases, the safeguards were available, but they were willfully ignored.
Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about.
If you don't have anything valid to post, shut up. Being screwed over for your own mistake is not the same as asking for DEV help because your alliance sucks.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gail Sohmbadi
SirMolle deleted all shares in the BoB executor corp, to avoid having to wait 24 hours for his Alliance changes to go through. This meant that ANYONE with equivalent roles in Tinfoil, (The Executor Corp for BoB,) had the same ability to make instant changes to the Alliance. The whole reasons voting shares even EXIST is to prevent someone from screwing over the alliance, yet SirMolle deleted these shares.
Silly Goon. It doesn't work like that. Regardless of the share status in the executor corp you can still instantly kick alliances and disband the alliance.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Gail Sohmbadi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gail Sohmbadi on 24/03/2009 20:26:58
Originally by: Soldis If you don't have anything valid to post, shut up. Being screwed over for your own mistake is not the same as asking for DEV help because your alliance sucks.
QFT.
Originally by: King Dave Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about.
Yours was just the most recent post to ignore the facts. There were a lot of others missing this very salient point for the last several pages. (Hint: Transgendered roleplaying space prostitutes)
Edit: Speak of the devil!!! ^^^^
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Retepp Nedsmul
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:26:00 -
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This is terrible. I started playing Eve because of all the the latest Goonswarm/BoB antics. This game is so great because all the content is player driven. No other MMO is like this. Anything within the mechanics of the game is considered fair. The concept that a GM can affect the actions between corporations behaving within the game mechanics is inexcusable in Eve.
I joined up for the opportunity to possibly be involved in something truly unique in this genre, but if the devs will just roll back stuff like this, why the hell am I playing this game over some other random MMO. |
KeratinBoy
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: King Dave
Didn't say it was unfair, I said it screwed them over, which it did. Stop trying to hate me and find something else to whine about.
Stop being so obtuse. There is no correlation between holding space and the age of an Alliance. Until now. It is an anomaly in favour of an entity that has colluded with CCP before. Continually showing favour to an entity, even after safeguards were put in place, does nothing but wreck any faith in those safeguards.
Clarification was sought and, yet again, CCP's official post on the matter did not contain any relevant information. Either petitions to change names outside of game mechanics are now granted for all or IA have had their authority destroyed. CCP need to pick one.
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