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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Angelspirit Edited by: Angelspirit on 24/03/2009 12:22:11 Get over it!, its just a name and gain no Advantage from it!!!!
Stop wasting CSM time with this Crap
Quoting Stupid
Bypassing existing rules, and double standards are things the CSM should be very interested in.
Hint: Try Change your name
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Necronomicon
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
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Supported, utterly disgraceful CCP
KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
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Jmanis Catharg
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
[1053]
Post on the first page summed it up.
Play by the rules the rest of us play by, or don't play at all.
Whether or not a mechanic is broken, a mechanic it is nonetheless, and until it's declared an exploit (or not), it's fair game, however your moral stance on it may be. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Barantz
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Barantz on 24/03/2009 12:44:00 Yet another database change provided to BoB against the rules, and for free, from a CCP employee.
CCP do you not see that you have close to ZERO trust left from the player base, with regards to your integrity and the integrity of the game.
If someone at CCP, in BoBs pocket, will do such a highly visible change to the games databases, it is beyond question that there have been many changes made on their behalf which are not visible.
The one world model for an MMO was something special and unique; unfortunately it is now and forever blighted.
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Mr John22ta
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:41:00 -
[1055]
Edited by: Mr John22ta on 24/03/2009 12:41:36 This is out of line CCP. One rule for all.
If they didn't like their alliance name, they should have disbanded and reformed. The original BoB was disbanded through legit game mechanics.
No other alliance would be able to do this, so why BoB? This needs to be looked at by internal affairs, although I suspect the outcome would be a whitewash.
Just to add, I am no supporter of Goon's, in fact i have spent a lot of time killing them. I just think this is BS
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Demonikan
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:42:00 -
[1056]
Supported 2nd account, again disgraceful.
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Rongar Maximus
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:43:00 -
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Hima Chhetri
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:43:00 -
[1058]
I was rather impressed when the first disband stood with no gm interference. But then they blatantly change the name for BoBR's personal benefit. I thought we had gotten past this crap but obviously not, I think ill go for a free name change petition on the way!!!
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InigoMontoya
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:43:00 -
[1059]
3rd account, terrible play by CCP.
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Navaj0
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:44:00 -
[1060]
One game One rule.
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JiN Azuma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:47:00 -
[1061]
Something needs to be done.
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Marquis Zenas
m3 Corp BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:50:00 -
[1062]
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Nihil4nth
DRUCKWELLE Evolution The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:51:00 -
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:53:00 -
[1064]
TBH I'm a little surprised at the Eve population, I thought we were supposed to be a stoic, mature bunch.
Think about this. You're raging about an alliance getting their name changed.
I honestly didn't know we had this many dry vag.inas in Eve, holy smokes someone call President Obama this is an emergency, Kenny got their name back, call the Marines, call the Air Force, send the Seventh Fleet to Sweden, by all things holy this can not stand.
Grow up.
Look on the bright side, you get to kick BoB's arse some more.
What would rather have, fairness or fun? ---
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:54:00 -
[1065]
Originally by: Cipher7
TBH I'm a little surprised at the Eve population, I thought we were supposed to be a stoic, mature bunch.
Think about this. You're raging about an alliance getting their name changed.
I honestly didn't know we had this many dry vag.inas in Eve, holy smokes someone call President Obama this is an emergency, Kenny got their name back, call the Marines, call the Air Force, send the Seventh Fleet to Sweden, by all things holy this can not stand.
Grow up.
Look on the bright side, you get to kick BoB's arse some more.
What would rather have, fairness or fun?
I share the view of above poster.
I think this is silly.
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Ninja Monkie
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:54:00 -
[1066]
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Darvin Felth
Oberon Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:55:00 -
[1067]
CCP get ur fecking house in order ...
Smoking Whippets since 1967 ....
were the sweeney son and we aint had any dinner
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Telgar
ICE is Coming to EVE
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:56:00 -
[1068]
Everybody just say : Rules are rules.
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Bla QuaZebra
ZipZoom Kaboom Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:56:00 -
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:58:00 -
[1070]
Welp, after skimming first 10 pages, has CCP responded at all?
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Lolsof
Defcon One Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:59:00 -
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:01:00 -
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also this thread become a place where we can discuss this issue if you cant post in caod
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:01:00 -
[1073]
Wow, rarely have I seen so much alt posting on the forums.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Excello
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Excello on 24/03/2009 13:04:11
Originally by: Karezan That's not a neutral stance where you want CCP to apply rules fairly, that's an attempt at using a messy situation and trying to leverage it in such a way you can screw BoB over even more. That's an attempt by BoB's enemies to try and own BoB some more by forum whoring and making ridiculous demands. That has nothing to do with fairness, because the fair approach would be renaming them back and figuring out which GM allowed this to happen and why. [/quote
Ok, Then why have rules if you intend to break them?
CCP EULA is the governance of how CCP manage queries and investigations, When ever CCP need to check somethin, they refer to EULA.
Originally by: Karezan In this case, BoB was disbanded, they lost their name, their sov, everything. They reformed under a new alliance name that they still had lying around somewhere (with the 1b paid for when they created Kenny), and started over at sov 1. They had to reform the alliance on that same day, because it had to be done before DT so sov claiming would start again. They had no time, as an alliance, to discuss a new name or anything of that nature, simply because of the time constraint. Is it really that unreasonable for them to be allowed to now pick a name they like better (however lame it may be), because they didn't have a realistic chance at doing so when they had to emergency reform the alliance? [/quote
Maybe so. However this was a game mechanic to force an alliance to close down, Correct me if im wrong, but CCP are not meant to become involved with internal game politics for ANY reason, This is also stated in EULA just FYI.
Adequate time or not, a game mechanic was used. As i said above CCP should not become involved with in game politics. I dont think its a case of favortism, I think this is a case of bias where none should be. An alliance with strong Dev / GM connections in the past with incidents like T20 print spawns, Reimbursement of supercapitals where no grounds are found. Moon exploits, where 20 control towers are the same in 1 system for the purpose to make dyspro in large amounts. These are just 3 that have been publicly announced. See if CCP are not allowed to, should i ask how much more help has been given to Kenzoku / Band of Brothers alliance in the past that has not became public
CCP have 2 decisions from what i can see. 1: Force BoB to change there name back to Kenzoku and make them play the game just like everyone else. If you want to change your name you disband the alliance like everyone else and not ask for your alliance name to be changed. EULA rules are what CCP standby. or 2: Rename the alliance back to Kenzoku. Dianabolic is one of the directors who even said they didnt care about there name, So why should it need to be changed?
This whole issue is the fact that it is digging up past history where CCP dont want it to go. This statment that CCP will release as to why a non offensive name should be changed should be an interesting read for sure.
I still request CSA to take up this issue with CCP.
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Giant Little
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:06:00 -
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I for one could never in good conscience vote for the disbanding of an alliance based solely on the fact that they've been renamed as a result of a petition. If this renaming is in fact deemed ĉa developer misconductĉ then at most "Band of Brothers Reloaded" should be renamed "KenZoku" ... disbanding an alliance (any alliance) based on a vote would disturb the balance of the game and have far reaching consequences.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean anybody is watching you...
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Iva Soreass
Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Iva Soreass on 24/03/2009 13:07:33
Originally by: GM Grimmi Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and weĈd like to take this opportunity to address those issues.
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
Now cry more or emoragequit about it.
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t4rg3t
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:07:00 -
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Grishius
Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:08:00 -
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Navaj0 One game One rule.
Bla bla. Get over it people.
First - regarding playerbase and no trust in CCP - I'm part of the playerbase and I don't agree with above remarks. I have plenty of trust in CCP and fixing this name issue does not subtract from that. Claims that this would have not been done for another alliance under similar circumstances are so far unproven.
Names get changed all the time for including offensive words - fixing an annoying consequence of a broken game mechanic is not a bad reason IMHO.
I'm not a member of BoB, never have been a mmeber of any BoB corp - I've never been allied with them or worked closely with them (AFAIR).
But I welcome that they will be recognizable as BoB again. Where exactly is the bad in that?
How many BPs did BoB get pout of this name change? None. Isk? None. Ships? None Dyspro Moons? None. Any other material benefit? None.
There's no real problem here.
That a bored BoB director betrayed them and gave access to Goons is BoBs bad luck. That the Goons used that opportunity is their good luck and quick reaction. Good for them. That they maximized their fun by grabbing the name in a newly created alliance - very goonish - wouldn't expect less from them. Bit of fun too.
But IMHO CCP should have given the name (nothing else of course) back right away. It was an unintended side-effect of game mechanics. Aka a bug. GMs fix effects of bugs via petition all the time.
Of course the same should apply to any alliance that lost their name in the same way to the same bug. Were there any other cases? If such an alliance comes forward and can't get a similar name change - then yes - that would be unfair. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE |
Cerlestes
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:10:00 -
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