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Slaveone
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:51:00 -
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In another demonstration of developer misconduct CCP renamed Kenzoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded. This has never been done for an alliance, character, or corporation, ever.
Please vote up to disband BOBR.
NOT CA. NOT AN ALT. JUST A FAN OF THE BADEST ALLIANCE IN THE GAME ;) |
Soul Raven
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:57:00 -
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Harry Besebes
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:14:00 -
[3]
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:14:00 -
[4]
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Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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Zangert
Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:19:00 -
[5]
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Julian Shran
Elderan Navy SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:20:00 -
[6]
Yarr!!
(and yes I DO like my hat :P... ) |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:21:00 -
[7]
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Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:21:00 -
[8]
Totally messed up CCP. What the hell were you thinking?
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Rexels
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:22:00 -
[9]
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Nichola Kreed
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:22:00 -
[10]
Edited by: Nichola Kreed on 23/03/2009 21:23:23 disband it, BOB must loss it sov!
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EdFromHumanResources
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:22:00 -
[11]
------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
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Bruce Fullerene
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:22:00 -
[12]
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David Corbett
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:22:00 -
[13]
Consistency is key. ---
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dr00l
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:22:00 -
[14]
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Aglaea
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:23:00 -
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I wouldn't be so hasty to label it "developer misconduct" as we don't know what happened yet. It could have been a GM.
I am, however, supporting this. I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else. Thanks.
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Psilocin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:23:00 -
[16]
Yes.
FOFOFOOOO! |
Jackal79
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:23:00 -
[17]
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Totally Slick
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:23:00 -
[18]
if a GM made a mistake they can just change it back but this thread won't really have any effect on CCP at all |
SkiLLzThaTKiLLz X
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:23:00 -
[19]
. -- SkiLLzThaTKiLLz X | DarkArch0n X
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NRCom
Gemini Sun
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:24:00 -
[20]
Yes to a disband, one rule for all.
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Dynamic Man
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:24:00 -
[21]
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Incantare
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:24:00 -
[22]
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zSecondary
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:25:00 -
[23]
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:25:00 -
[24]
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ZangHaul
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:25:00 -
[25]
Edited by: ZangHaul on 23/03/2009 21:26:58 Edited by: ZangHaul on 23/03/2009 21:25:13
Originally by: Totally Slick if a GM made a mistake they can just change it back but this thread won't really have any effect on CCP at all
wasn't the CSM program initiated because of the last time BoB was given preferential treatment?
stupid default character mistake (Zangert)
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Itt Burns
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:25:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Aglaea I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else.
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DrDevice
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:25:00 -
[27]
I support this
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Helen
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:25:00 -
[28]
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Jemanu
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:26:00 -
[29]
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Tomic
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:26:00 -
[30]
I support this.
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Endeva
Caldari tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:26:00 -
[31]
also posting with alts is forbidden so i vote for your ban.
Recruiment thread |
Mikel Banks
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:26:00 -
[32]
I feel as if they are getting preferential treatment and have circumvented game mechanics by not losing sov, and not paying 1 Billion (1.000.000.000) Isk.
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Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:27:00 -
[33]
STOP THE FAVORITISM kill the favorite.
-Xindi Kraid: Delivering acerbic wit and scathing comments with just a dash of 'stab you in the eye' |
Lunas Feelgood
S.A.S
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:27:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 23/03/2009 21:28:50 How embarrasing CCP.. What wrong with you? Didnt you learn a lesson last time??.. Get you house in order plz..Seriously
Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
Originally by: BOB
"I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
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Telefishopolis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:27:00 -
[35]
They should be forced to disband their alliance or at least reset their sov, as any other alliance in the game should have to do if the alliance wanted to change its name.
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Davor
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:27:00 -
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Pretty sure Kenny wasn't misspelled, they hadn't had a problem with when it was a pet alliance. +support
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TheFrabbot
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:27:00 -
[37]
1 game 1 rule
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Feran Giall
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:27:00 -
[38]
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Delfinu
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:27:00 -
[39]
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CaptainAttitude
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:28:00 -
[40]
Edited by: CaptainAttitude on 23/03/2009 21:28:56
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Rand Paul
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:28:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Rand Paul on 23/03/2009 21:28:12
Originally by: Aglaea I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else. Thanks.
Agreedo
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Allahs Warrior
I.M.M
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:28:00 -
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yes, or just give all of us the option to rename ourselves, and give us all the "batphone"
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Helen
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:28:00 -
[43]
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Frabba
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:28:00 -
[44]
Originally by: TheFrabbot 1 game 1 rule
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MitchPT
Shade. Penumbra Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:29:00 -
[45]
no-one should be above the rules.... |
NokNok
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:29:00 -
[46]
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Gorfob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:29:00 -
[47]
T20
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Blah DeBlah
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:30:00 -
[48]
get a grip - this blows
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Deaduck
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:30:00 -
[49]
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Phsyco Bob
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:30:00 -
[50]
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Visakoth
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:30:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Aglaea I wouldn't be so hasty to label it "developer misconduct" as we don't know what happened yet. It could have been a GM.
I am, however, supporting this. I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else. Thanks.
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CountingCrow
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:30:00 -
[52]
Originally by: TheFrabbot 1 game 1 rule
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:30:00 -
[53]
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Zy'or Tealon
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:31:00 -
[54]
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The new Bug Reporting process rules! Use it and help make EvE even better!
Quote: Test your software or your users will!
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Moscow Blue
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:32:00 -
[55]
T20 Reloaded
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Re'lizar Histere
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:32:00 -
[56]
What's up for the next time they're disbanded, BOB Revolutions?
supported
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:32:00 -
[57]
Un-signed. The BoB name was only lost because of CCP's poor game design (it's ****ing stupid that a single person could ever do that, especially someone who isn't even the leader of the alliance), so they have every right to make up for their mistakes to some degree and restore the alliance name. -----------
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Julie Hayes
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:32:00 -
[58]
1 game 1 rule
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Kellyl
Integrity.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:33:00 -
[59]
I support.
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:33:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:33:00 -
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Oh look something that the CSM was originally designed to deal with.
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Vx15i
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:33:00 -
[62]
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Lord Wing
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:33:00 -
[63]
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Saka Mizuno
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:33:00 -
[64]
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Totally Slick
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:34:00 -
[65]
1. e-mail [email protected] 2. ??? 3. Profit |
Kurik Chryllos
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:34:00 -
[66]
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:34:00 -
[67]
I support all alliances being treated consistently by CCP. Do we have any official info on how this change happened?
I'm not in an alliance, so I'm not the most educated on alliance game mechanics. Is it impossible for alliances to change names and keep sov? ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
rValdez5987
Amarr PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:34:00 -
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I disagree. If they want their name, let them have it. You still have their space so why complain over a NAME. |
Sentinel Eeex
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:34:00 -
[69]
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Dahlia Houghton
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:34:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Un-signed. The BoB name was only lost because of CCP's poor game design (it's ****ing stupid that a single person could ever do that, especially someone who isn't even the leader of the alliance), so they have every right to make up for their mistakes to some degree and restore the alliance name.
Oh wow.
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Bary OBama
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:34:00 -
[71]
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Gilbert Drillerson
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:35:00 -
[72]
Does this mean that next time someone gets alliance director access to an enemy alliance, they can simply kick out all the existing corps, accept a few alt corps into the alliance and then take over all space and sov from the old hostile alliance ?
I think not.... if Kenny wants a new name, he has to pay and wait :)
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0902/gs.gif Dont get mad - Get even |
Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:35:00 -
[73]
Why so serioooooouuuuusssss?
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Yatro
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:35:00 -
[74]
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thatboydc
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:36:00 -
[75]
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lahoj
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:36:00 -
[76]
ahuj9
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Tetra gramaton
Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:36:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Tetra gramaton on 23/03/2009 21:36:33 I support this
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Hanabi Kazan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:36:00 -
[78]
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Hauling Theo
Blue Labs
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:37:00 -
[79]
ONe stone to rule em all, but one rule to stone em all.
THIS is messed up.
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Disco Sucks
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:37:00 -
[80]
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Gluefire
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:37:00 -
[81]
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:37:00 -
[82]
There has been situations in the past were something as simple as forgetting about the alliance bill has force alliance to restart an alliance and start regaining sov. Its unfair for an alliance to circumvent the rules which other alliance are forced to follow.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:37:00 -
[83]
Smelly at best ..
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Rax Disciprin
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:37:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
We're sorry you did such a terrible job on retaining your alliance name but if a game starts with such a horrible ruleset it's usually a bad idea to change it mid-game, especially for one whiny, run-down, finished group of pathetic morons like yourselves.
Just saying.
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Exae
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:38:00 -
[85]
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Xaen
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:38:00 -
[86]
Most public blatant favoritism ever displayed by CCP.
Undo it. - Support fixing the UI|Suggest Jita fixes|Compact logs |
Telefishopolis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
We're sorry you did such a terrible job on retaining your alliance name but if a game starts with such a poor game mechanic it's usually a bad idea to change it mid-game, especially for one whiny, run-down, finished group of pathetic morons like yourselves. If you start with a rule set, finish with it. With your alliance's history of preferential treatment, this action is not adding to its credibility.
Just saying.
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Melor Rend
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:39:00 -
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:40:00 -
[89]
More ,More More ,by the gods more.
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Lunas Feelgood
S.A.S
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:40:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
This really doesnt matter bux.. If you wanted to have another name you should do what everyone els have todo dispand make a new alliance.. Surdenly this happend and you argument was it was unfair that you lost the name in the first place????
Wtf EVE isnt fair, life isnt fair. But we follow the rules as stated we dont go cry to our GM friends to help us out.. Cheat and unfair for all the other players.. You should be ashamed and so should CCP
Originally by: Jade Constantine You can't expect seasoned Eve players with an awareness of history
Originally by: BOB
"I played EVE for 5 years and all I got left is crappy forum alts"..
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Salastil
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:40:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
There is a mechanic preventing this, your leaders decided talking on a microphone made you trustworthy so they removed this in favor of instantly unlocking or locking of BPO or other corporate tasks. One such task is kicking corporations and stealing the wallet. Don't expect your debit card to not be used when the pin is written on the front of it when it's stolen.
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Supposing CEO
DarkSide Defenders
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:40:00 -
[92]
WTB Internal Affairs.
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Nichola Kreed
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:40:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Pesadel0 Why so serioooooouuuuusssss?
why cheat
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Ivan Shenovich
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:40:00 -
[94]
No tinfoil hats here, but if a unit or individual within CCP has decided to start ignoring otherwise-universal policy (again) it needs to be ended early. Thanks! |
Shikome Alluin
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:40:00 -
[95]
- Aloha mr Hand |
Haid Arcan
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:41:00 -
[96]
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moneygrabbingwhore
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:41:00 -
[97]
why havnt we seen any posts or replys from ccp yet, they must be bricking it
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WhiteTigersGod
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:41:00 -
[98]
Disband them now.
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Bozinius
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:42:00 -
[99]
Tired of favoritism in this game.
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Zaribeth
Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:42:00 -
[100]
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furry vespa
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:42:00 -
[101]
This does not seem right !
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:42:00 -
[102]
Originally by: rValdez5987 I disagree. If they want their name, let them have it. You still have their space so why complain over a NAME.
It's not the name. It's the blatant favoritism.
TWO of CCP's rules were broken with this act and by themselves.
Violations:- CCP does not do name changes upon player request.
- CCP does not allow naming your player, corporation, or alliance something that parodies an existing player, corporation or alliance. Band of Brothers Reloaded is a painfully obvious parody of Band of Brothers the corporation that existed PRIOR to "Band of Brothers Reloaded". And yes, I'm well aware that this corporation was created by Goonswarm specifically to block the original Band of Brothers members from reclaiming their name. But not one single aspect of this was done using exploits or any other even prohibited means.
There's no explaination for it other than favoritism. The name KenZoku was not a violation of the ToS. Thus it was not eligible for a GM name change.
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Lady Shortcloak
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:43:00 -
[103]
I fully endorse this proposal
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:43:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Hauling Theo ONe stone to rule em all, but one rule to stone em all.
THIS is messed up.
Yeah, but a flawed GAME MECHANIC that will only have ONE victim, BoB, isn't messed up?
Please explain why it takes 24 hours to leave a corp, takes 24 hours to JOIN an alliance, takes even 10 hours to DESTROY a character....but it takes only a millisecond to insta pop a whole alliance? Please, explain in a legitimate way without bias how this is isn't messed up?
I am all ears.
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Gramonda
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:43:00 -
[105]
Why does this not surprise me anymore ?
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Vosace
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:43:00 -
[106]
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isqander
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:44:00 -
[107]
Or just change the name to Band of Developers... Or just officially bring Tanis Alliance into the GBC. Either. Whatever.
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:44:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
This is the **** that makes everyone so angry. While goonsawrm used a valid IN GAME mechanic to remove your alliance (broken or not) YOU GOT WHAT NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER GOTTEN. Two wrongs never make a right and certainly - petition to change the sov mechanic - BUT YOU DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT.
Its not about whats fair - this isnt hello kitty online - its about he rules, and making you play by them.
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Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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Moore Ballard
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:44:00 -
[109]
Same rules should apply to everyone.
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Bebes Yasdnil
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:45:00 -
[110]
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:45:00 -
[111]
Supporting this idea 100% They can rename all they want but they still have to follow the same rules. Either set them back to kenzoku or drop sov and do it right.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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gnshadowninja
Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:46:00 -
[112]
I support this, currently have 4 Petitions over 4 characters on this because this is the worse thing ive seen on a MMORPG ever.
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Everyone Else
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:46:00 -
[113]
Anyone know if this change will affect sov timers in already contested systems? will they reset etc in a vague attempt to give kenny an advantage in some way as before? |
Justinor
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:46:00 -
[114]
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Rafus
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:46:00 -
[115]
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Nichola Kreed
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:47:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin Un-signed. The BoB name was only lost because of CCP's poor game design (it's ****ing stupid that a single person could ever do that, especially someone who isn't even the leader of the alliance), so they have every right to make up for their mistakes to some degree and restore the alliance name.
EVE have tons of poor game design(scam contracts etc,) why all idiots seats there and cry but only BOB get restore? yeah it can change alliance name but it must pay bill and loss sov!
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Dahlia Houghton
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:47:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Hauling Theo ONe stone to rule em all, but one rule to stone em all.
THIS is messed up.
Yeah, but a flawed GAME MECHANIC that will only have ONE victim, BoB, isn't messed up?
Please explain why it takes 24 hours to leave a corp, takes 24 hours to JOIN an alliance, takes even 10 hours to DESTROY a character....but it takes only a millisecond to insta pop a whole alliance? Please, explain in a legitimate way without bias how this is isn't messed up?
I am all ears.
Explain why he was left with the roles after being absent for so long?
I am all ears.
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Ecid Q'Wulf
Blue Labs
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:47:00 -
[118]
Special consideration for a special alliance, makes me sick. ________
One like many, exactly like everyone else. |
Sin'Jin
DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:47:00 -
[119]
One rule for all.
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Sara Sahara
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:48:00 -
[120]
yea how does this affect pos/sov timers and such?
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Julian Shran
Amarr Elderan Navy SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:48:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Hauling Theo ONe stone to rule em all, but one rule to stone em all.
THIS is messed up.
Yeah, but a flawed GAME MECHANIC that will only have ONE victim, BoB, isn't messed up?
Please explain why it takes 24 hours to leave a corp, takes 24 hours to JOIN an alliance, takes even 10 hours to DESTROY a character....but it takes only a millisecond to insta pop a whole alliance? Please, explain in a legitimate way without bias how this is isn't messed up?
I am all ears.
Straight from the rulebooks:
"The executor of an Alliance is given the authority to act on behalf of the Alliance in all matters. This authority is subject to review by the Alliance council. The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor Support."
This would include kicking Corps out of and disbanding alliances. It was not a 'quit' it was a disband abd those takes seconds and a mouseclick.
Not a FLAWED game mechanic, but simply a MECHANIC.... Yarr!!
(and yes I DO like my hat :P... ) |
La Cucaratscha
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:48:00 -
[122]
Seems like there is a substitute for internalk Security - CCP GM'S/DEV'S
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MASSIVEMURDERMACHINE
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:48:00 -
[123]
Yall should just calm down and send a friendly email to [email protected] and explain your concerns |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:49:00 -
[124]
If you think that something happened, which shouldn't have, then contact internal affairs rather than trying to cause drama.
It's bloody obvious that, that's the entire point of this.
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:49:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: rValdez5987 I disagree. If they want their name, let them have it. You still have their space so why complain over a NAME.
It's not the name. It's the blatant favoritism.
TWO of CCP's rules were broken with this act and by themselves.
Violations:- CCP does not do name changes upon player request.
- CCP does not allow naming your player, corporation, or alliance something that parodies an existing player, corporation or alliance. Band of Brothers Reloaded is a painfully obvious parody of Band of Brothers the corporation that existed PRIOR to "Band of Brothers Reloaded". And yes, I'm well aware that this corporation was created by Goonswarm specifically to block the original Band of Brothers members from reclaiming their name. But not one single aspect of this was done using exploits or any other even prohibited means.
There's no explaination for it other than favoritism. The name KenZoku was not a violation of the ToS. Thus it was not eligible for a GM name change.
Quoted for the less intelligent. I can look at all of the THREADS that goons post and can see crap loads of people with all intents and purposes doing what amounts to "parodies an existing player, corporation or alliance". I don't see ANYONE *****ign and moaning like little girls about that. Nah, because they are pro-goon. It's that simple. This amounts to nothing more than a tantrum.
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CurlUpAndDie
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:49:00 -
[126]
disband them! ___________________________
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ChowMung
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:49:00 -
[127]
Edited by: ChowMung on 23/03/2009 21:49:23
Originally by: Buxaroo
Yeah, but a flawed GAME MECHANIC that will only have ONE victim, BoB, isn't messed up?
Not the only victim. And it's no ones fault but Molle's for throwing around roles willy nilly. If sov attacks are so awful can CCP put the 100b Finfleet evaced from a Goon station a short while ago back into a Goon station?
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Onwyn Orbatsuu
Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:49:00 -
[128]
disband the cheaters!
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stopdropandlol
Gallente Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:49:00 -
[129]
wow as if the prior favoritism and devs in bob spawning **** for them and other ****, they do it again. gg ccp gg
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kakakakakakkakkakkakkaka
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:50:00 -
[130]
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Skyraker7
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:50:00 -
[131]
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teji
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:51:00 -
[132]
Edited by: teji on 23/03/2009 21:53:09
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Hauling Theo ONe stone to rule em all, but one rule to stone em all.
THIS is messed up.
Yeah, but a flawed GAME MECHANIC that will only have ONE victim, BoB, isn't messed up?
Please explain why it takes 24 hours to leave a corp, takes 24 hours to JOIN an alliance, takes even 10 hours to DESTROY a character....but it takes only a millisecond to insta pop a whole alliance? Please, explain in a legitimate way without bias how this is isn't messed up?
I am all ears.
UMAD?
edit: much too serious post
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VAGINUS SANDIMAX
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:51:00 -
[133]
I want my name changed to Sandy Vagina.
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Lanzinator
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:51:00 -
[134]
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Beaty Swollocks
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:52:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Beaty Swollocks on 23/03/2009 21:52:56 Hahahah like these threads in this forum ever accomplish ANYTHING.
Why don't you all emoragequit over it instead ? Would defo keep the forums cleaner of all your drivel.
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Gorespawn
Blue Labs
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:52:00 -
[136]
Dont like this at all !
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Lord Testament
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:52:00 -
[137]
i want to be able to change my name too :(
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:53:00 -
[138]
Ohh damm we killed Kenny.
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Anders Kraneled
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:53:00 -
[139]
Poasting in a beaver-riffic thread.
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kakakakakakkakkakkakkaka
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:54:00 -
[140]
Please explain why it takes 24 hours to leave a corp, takes 24 hours to JOIN an alliance, takes even 10 hours to DESTROY a character....but it takes only a millisecond to insta pop a whole alliance? Please, explain in a legitimate way without bias how this is isn't messed up?
Hours to Join an alliance.. 24 Hours to Destroy a character .. 10 1 Millisecond to insta-pop a whole alliance... priceless
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Billy Sastard
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:55:00 -
[141]
Now I know that my small contribution to CCP's coffers makes no real difference, but this is likely the proverbial 'straw' which, if left unaddressed, will break the back of the camel that is my continued subscription to the EVE-Online service.
I am continually losing confidence in CCP as a company in the face of incidents such as this which show blatant favoritism. The fact that BOB got disbanded due to what some consider a flawed game mechanic has nothing to do with it. It has been CCP policy that no name changes occur, and this is a complete reversal of that policy. To add to this insult, the fact that this alliance was able to circumvent a 1,000,000,000 ISK fee as well as sov reset... Well lets just say that I am not exactly happy with CCP at the moment and am feeling the desire to find something more productive to do with my $45 a month in subscription fees and time spent playing EVE.
CCP PLEASE ADDRESS THIS GLARING CIRCUMVENTION OF ESTABLISHED RULES, IF THE UNWASHED MASSES ARE FORCED TO FOLLOW THE RULES, SO SHOULD BOB/KENNY/REBOB/WHATEVER... <-------------------------------------------------> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein |
Lee Bian
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:56:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Pesadel0 Ohh damm we killed Kenny.
so how does it feel to be in a group of cheaters? i mean it's obvious it happened once again and you can't really deny it
so how does it feel?
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Nichola Kreed
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:56:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714
Originally by: rValdez5987 I disagree. If they want their name, let them have it. You still have their space so why complain over a NAME.
It's not the name. It's the blatant favoritism.
TWO of CCP's rules were broken with this act and by themselves.
Violations:- CCP does not do name changes upon player request.
- CCP does not allow naming your player, corporation, or alliance something that parodies an existing player, corporation or alliance. Band of Brothers Reloaded is a painfully obvious parody of Band of Brothers the corporation that existed PRIOR to "Band of Brothers Reloaded". And yes, I'm well aware that this corporation was created by Goonswarm specifically to block the original Band of Brothers members from reclaiming their name. But not one single aspect of this was done using exploits or any other even prohibited means.
There's no explaination for it other than favoritism. The name KenZoku was not a violation of the ToS. Thus it was not eligible for a GM name change.
Quoted for the less intelligent. I can look at all of the THREADS that goons post and can see crap loads of people with all intents and purposes doing what amounts to "parodies an existing player, corporation or alliance". I don't see ANYONE *****ign and moaning like little girls about that. Nah, because they are pro-goon. It's that simple. This amounts to nothing more than a tantrum.
your new short name .BOB. is parodies to a existing alliance' short name BOB, it is not the bob corp under goon rule, it is and empire war dec alliance lead by maximum yarrage
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Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:57:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Lee Bian
Originally by: Pesadel0 Ohh damm we killed Kenny.
so how does it feel to be in a group of cheaters? i mean it's obvious it happened once again and you can't really deny it
so how does it feel?
I donĤt talk to headless man :)
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Ace Zer0
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:57:00 -
[145]
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Rek Esket
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:58:00 -
[146]
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Reverand Pastor
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:01:00 -
[147]
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Noshtane
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:02:00 -
[148]
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Igus
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:02:00 -
[149]
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Parapolizei
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:02:00 -
[150]
Awaiting devblog explaining this new feature where any alliance, corp, or player can change their name.
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moneygrabbingwhore
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:02:00 -
[151]
CCP " IM NOT LISTENING " lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalanull
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killerco
Dutch T2 Production
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:03:00 -
[152]
I support the fact that all should be treated equally.
But i like too add that i believe bob was disbanded by an illegal game-mechanic. In my opinion only the alliance leader should be allowed too undo an alliance.
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Samuel Grindhoof
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:03:00 -
[153]
i never thought something like that would go over my lips...well...my fingers....whatever...but the goons are just ****ing right. 1 game 1 rule
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Julian Shran
Amarr Elderan Navy SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:03:00 -
[154]
Originally by: kakakakakakkakkakkakkaka Please explain why it takes 24 hours to leave a corp, takes 24 hours to JOIN an alliance, takes even 10 hours to DESTROY a character....but it takes only a millisecond to insta pop a whole alliance? Please, explain in a legitimate way without bias how this is isn't messed up?
Hours to Join an alliance.. 24 Hours to Destroy a character .. 10 1 Millisecond to insta-pop a whole alliance... priceless
Simple the mechanic you speak of is a 'quit' not a disband.
The 'quit' mechanic is so people cannot wardec and avoid wardecs simply by quitting alliances and corps. The Disband option has no such exploit associated so it is instant and the Executor Corp and that CEO is empowered to do anything up to and including disbanding the whole thing. Following is why he was still allowed to do so. BoB was complacent and should have payed attention. Quote from CCP rulebooks: "Declaration of Executor Support
All corporations in an Alliance can declare their support for another corporation to fill the executor role. If the present executor does not have the support of more than 50% of the member corporations, he cannot act on behalf of the Alliance. The corporation and its CEO will still be listed as the executor, but all administrative functions will be disabled (this is indicated by an error message that is displayed whenever usage of such a function is attempted by the executor). This means that the Alliance is effectively powerless until such time as the support of the executor is restored or a new executor is declared through gaining more than 50% of the support of the member corporations. The system will attempt to activate an executor once every 24 hours. Only when the established executor regains support or a new one is put in place will access to the administrative functions be restored.
As the executor of an Alliance is in a position of power, he must be replaced in cases where he does not possess more than 50% of the support of the member alliances, has stopped playing the game or is otherwise unreachable. Note that changing the CEO of the executor corporation automatically entails that the new CEO is listed as executor. The procedure through which executors are changed is based on the Declaration of Executor Support, which is a simplified form of voting. Every corporation in an Alliance can modify their support for the executor at any time. The default setting is to support the current executor. A declaration of support is only valid if a corporation has been a member of the Alliance for seven consecutive days. The declaration of support is confidential and is only available to the CEO and Directors of the corporation.
The Alliance system constantly checks whether an executor has 50% or more of the support of the member corporations. If support drops below 50%, the executor will be informed of this through the display of an error message when attempting to use administrative functions."
Yarr!!
(and yes I DO like my hat :P... ) |
Jon Lucien
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:04:00 -
[155]
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EYEDOLL
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:05:00 -
[156]
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:06:00 -
[157]
give them all the special treatment you want CCP, its not gonna save them and its not gonna make them any less of a hollow husk of an alliance of has-beens v0v
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:06:00 -
[158]
unf unf unf
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Hellaciouss
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:07:00 -
[159]
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Donatien de'Sade
Ars Notoria
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:08:00 -
[160]
In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move |
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Iloni Atoriandra
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:10:00 -
[161]
I shall be writing a very angry letter to IA about this.
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Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:10:00 -
[162]
molle to alliance - not to fear i will just pick up the bat phone and ccp will help us out
wonder if this is t20 strikes back -
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Traderjohn
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:10:00 -
[163]
Edited by: Traderjohn on 23/03/2009 22:10:34 Support this, They should have lost all sov if they wished to change there Name. EULA even has a section regarding changing name if the name is offensive, The Kenzoku alliance name is not an offensive name if you even check in google.
Should CCP decide to keep this they will lose a number of subscriptions due to CCP showing a bias in this decision to allow a change as small as a name to an alliance known for strong connections with CCP, e.g.
Moon Exploit - Having 20 control towers setup the same way in 1 system, then the moon exploit came out and the towers came down.
T20 - BPO spawns
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Fuzuli
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:11:00 -
[164]
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Noghri ViR
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:11:00 -
[165]
--------------------------------------------- Noghri ViR for CSM Vote for me here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=28
http://noghri08.wordpress.com/ |
Waagaa Ktlehr
Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:11:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 23/03/2009 22:14:39 Cookies, Cake, Cream and Pie was better anyway.
This name sucks :-(
Supporting this because the CSM is a farce and can't do crap about this anyway. \o/
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Bedrock
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:11:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Tomic I support this.
quoting dis cause im down
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:12:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Hubris molle to alliance - not to fear i will just pick up the bat phone and ccp will help us out
wonder if this is t20 strikes back
It would be nice to know the Developer (individual) responsible for this decision ----------------------------------------------
Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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Von Kleist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:12:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
Cry more, post less.
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Sihirbaz
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:12:00 -
[170]
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:13:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Bedrock
Originally by: Tomic I support this.
quoting dis cause im down
Traitor!
/me gets the pitchforks
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Dred Tather
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:13:00 -
[172]
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Cilia Sundara
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:13:00 -
[173]
I am, for one, raging about this particular matter!
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Glaztic
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:14:00 -
[174]
Gotta agree with Goons: "one game, one rule"
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Eskalin
Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:14:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Cookies, Cake, Cream and Pie was better anyway.
This name sucks :-(
this TBQH and evidently with the name change we get 40 titans and a fleet of jove bs's
If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
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Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:14:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Von Kleist
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
Cry more, post less.
Play more and ***** less how about that?
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Italian Wedding
Soup Of The Day
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:14:00 -
[177]
Just wait till April 1st guys, this is obviously an april fools joke.
Right? D:
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Seth Shadoow
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:15:00 -
[178]
quote dis if your daun!
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Traderjohn
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:15:00 -
[179]
I would request that CSA take up this matter with CCP having a bias view on name changes.
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Lilya Ormus
S.A.S Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:16:00 -
[180]
band of devs
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Traderjohn
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:16:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Traderjohn on 23/03/2009 22:17:57 Sorry copy posted, thoughts above :)
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destinationZERO
Minmatar Pain Management Services
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:16:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Traderjohn I would request that CSA take up this matter with CCP having a bias view on name changes.
Dont forget the moons. The moons, man!
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Korrakas
Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:16:00 -
[183]
Even though I steadfastedly supported BoB unitl now, they must learn to play
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Tempest Wind
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:17:00 -
[184]
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:17:00 -
[185]
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:17:00 -
[186]
your all big meanies , go away
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:19:00 -
[187]
on behalf of my fellow Castory. Just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean it cannot be done. ------
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Tachoh
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:19:00 -
[188]
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:19:00 -
[189]
Originally by: elohllird your all big meanies , go away
Sorry, please don't phone a GM about it :(
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Veturia
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:19:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Von Kleist
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
Cry more, post less.
Play more and ***** less how about that?
Nobody in Eve has a second account, broham~
Just sayin'.
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Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:19:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Yaay on 23/03/2009 22:19:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tl-c1PusrM
DD changes
Docking PVP games |
Buxaroo
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:19:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Traderjohn I would request that CSA take up this matter with CCP having a bias view on name changes.
Says the guy who is the only one to get a mothership back by petition. The irony.
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Greme
Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:19:00 -
[193]
I support this bandwagon!
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Sertan Deras
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:20:00 -
[194]
Supporting this.
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Hayleine
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:21:00 -
[195]
This just in - after careful review CCP has determined that "Band of Brothers Reloaded" exceeds the Alliance name character limit and has corrected the error by shortening it to "Band of Brothers".
I mean, we wouldn't want to break any rules now, would we?
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:21:00 -
[196]
Edited by: Dianeces on 23/03/2009 22:21:32 Hrghrhg. Damn forums and their ****ty software~
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Endis
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:22:00 -
[197]
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:22:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Xikulis
Originally by: elohllird your all big meanies , go away
Sorry, please don't phone a GM about it :(
There all bloody engaged atm think its your fault
/me shakes fist
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Sertan Deras
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:22:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Traderjohn I would request that CSA take up this matter with CCP having a bias view on name changes.
Says the guy who is the only one to get a mothership back by petition. The irony.
Yah, except there is a policy of returning ships lost due to bugs. There is also a policy of never providing requested name changes, which seems to have been ignored for you.
I don't expect you to see why this is wrong, as bias as you are, but it is.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:23:00 -
[200]
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Hertford
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:23:00 -
[201]
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Iss Hogai
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:23:00 -
[202]
--- In the end, everything is grey...
Pilot of the Griffin of DOOM |
fuze
Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:23:00 -
[203]
Don't blame .BoB. but CCP.
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Butternut Squash
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:23:00 -
[204]
The issue is not that Ken tried it ... it is that CCP allowed it, broke all the rules in the book and blatantly disregarded their own EULA.
Butters
I am jealous of my wife ... she already has a titan :D |
Nichola Kreed
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:23:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Nicholas Barker on behalf of my fellow Castory. Just because it hasn't been done before doesn't mean it cannot be done.
so does free t2 BPOS from devs. BOB will die soon and proven to an alliance of fail that cant make a stand even with dev's help. move on goons kick this cheater out of eve
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Pathfinder Joe
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:23:00 -
[206]
Haha, I love how you all ;_; over a name change. |
Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:24:00 -
[207]
Edited by: Ephemeron on 23/03/2009 22:24:38
Has it been confirmed that this was CCP intervention or is this just speculation?
If CCP decided to start providing alliance renaming services, what are the rules to request one? and how much do they charge?
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Claekine
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:24:00 -
[208]
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Samuel Grindhoof
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:24:00 -
[209]
what i would really like to see is a word from CCP. just an expl. how it could come to...that. sure, chance is low that it wouldnt make most people here laugh their a**** off....but anyway! and it would spare .BOB. from inventing excuses and pretty empty phrases
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Cippalippus Primus
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:25:00 -
[210]
z0r -clp
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Fulber
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:25:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Traderjohn I would request that CSA take up this matter with CCP having a bias view on name changes.
Says the guy who is the only one to get a mothership back by petition. The irony.
Ship reimbursement is much like alliance name changes in that both are handled by lhauglhalughaughlaguhlaughlauglhuuhlghulaug |
Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:25:00 -
[212]
Originally by: elohllird There all bloody engaged atm think its your fault
/me shakes fist
Awwww drats, did you try the "bat phone"? Worked pretty well when Haargoth was picking on you.
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CHAOS100
Widowmakers
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:26:00 -
[213]
ITT: BoD tries to gain sympathy about use of legitimate game mechanics on them.
Pathetic CCP. --------------
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:26:00 -
[214]
BOBR should be changed back to kenny, they picked it, they keep it. -------------
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Amali Go
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:26:00 -
[215]
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Praetor Novak
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:26:00 -
[216]
Why did they get special treatment and be allowed to rename their alliance? CCP would've told any other alliance NO. This is just another example of CCP bowing down to their pet alliance.
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Ivbeen Cloned
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:27:00 -
[217]
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Aimee Alvera
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:27:00 -
[218]
THere at least needs to be a full investigation and explanation into how this was allowed
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:28:00 -
[219]
Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 23/03/2009 22:37:05 To those threatening to quit, can you please for the love of god quit already. Your inability to emo rage quit properly and not just use it as some kind of pressure tool is the reason that we're currently having to cope with lag fests.
So emo whining ***gots, you are the ones ruining my game, now get out! :-)
TraderJohn, quit already, you've quit when T20 got outed, you've quit when you lost your Aeon and your alliance got spanked harder than ever in a less laggy situation than what's normal in today's eve... And yet... You're gonna quit again!?
Originally by: Traderjohn Edited by: Traderjohn on 23/03/2009 22:10:34 Support this, They should have lost all sov if they wished to change there Name. EULA even has a section regarding changing name if the name is offensive, The Kenzoku alliance name is not an offensive name if you even check in google.
Should CCP decide to keep this they will lose a number of subscriptions due to CCP showing a bias in this decision to allow a change as small as a name to an alliance known for strong connections with CCP, e.g.
Moon Exploit - Having 20 control towers setup the same way in 1 system, then the moon exploit came out and the towers came down.
T20 - BPO spawns
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Lord Hate
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:28:00 -
[220]
Who are BOBR cant find them ingame?
No Alliance can be found with 'BOBR' in the beginning of its name. |
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Garek
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:28:00 -
[221]
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KIZERIAN
SKORPION LEGION
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:29:00 -
[222]
Shame on you again CCP.
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Monstercable
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:29:00 -
[223]
Voting "yes" not because of goons v. bob but because favoritism in the application of rules kills games dead.
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Zuluwise
Gravis Unbound Initiative Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:29:00 -
[224]
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Von Kleist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:30:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Von Kleist on 23/03/2009 22:31:25
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Von Kleist
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
Cry more, post less.
Play more and ***** less how about that?
Oh dear, I'm sorry. I didn't know I should register on your killboard to post all the ones you're missing. I'm sure it was just an oversight.
{edit: I actually have been away for a bit on vacation)
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ElvenLord
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:30:00 -
[226]
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:31:00 -
[227]
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Shiva Caldacan
Reversed Engineering
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:31:00 -
[228]
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Karina Bellac
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:31:00 -
[229]
Edited by: Karina Bellac on 23/03/2009 22:32:20 "Band of Brothers Reloaded" is 25 characters long. As per the EVE Online Naming Policy
Quote:
2. CHARACTER NAMES
* a. Valid player character names:
o Must be at least 4 characters. o Cannot exceed 24 characters.
Quote:
4. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies.
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Untan
Minmatar Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:31:00 -
[230]
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:32:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Xikulis
Originally by: elohllird There all bloody engaged atm think its your fault
/me shakes fist
Awwww drats, did you try the "bat phone"? Worked pretty well when Haargoth was picking on you.
what is this bat phone you speak of, is it bat shaped or an actual alive bat that has been cunningly implanted with a phone? /me shudders
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Snura
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:32:00 -
[232]
---- - while ( flamingPeople(ON_INTERNET) ) { e*****++; }
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Traderjohn
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:33:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Fulber
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Traderjohn I would request that CSA take up this matter with CCP having a bias view on name changes.
Says the guy who is the only one to get a mothership back by petition. The irony.
Ship reimbursement is much like alliance name changes in that both are handled by lhauglhalughaughlaguhlaughlauglhuuhlghulaug
Maybe your right, however CCP did reimburse a BoB Titan from the E-O fight in tribute. So maybe you need to check this one aswell. Thanks
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Chemming
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:33:00 -
[234]
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Lucy Strike
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:33:00 -
[235]
Why the **** are you whining?? Arent you supperior to them in military might? OR? Didnt you achive glorious victory?? no you didnt so STFU and fight. They are waiting right now... And you know it..
So when it comes down to it goonwagon aint nothing but a bag of stale air. Like everyone knows. Even your "buddies" will set you red in a while to control the moons "you so gloriously" got hold of.
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Traderjohn
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:34:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Karina Bellac Edited by: Karina Bellac on 23/03/2009 22:32:20 "Band of Brothers Reloaded" is 25 characters long. As per the EVE Online Naming Policy
Quote:
2. CHARACTER NAMES
* a. Valid player character names:
o Must be at least 4 characters. o Cannot exceed 24 characters.
Quote:
4. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies.
Oh and This is what i meant before :)
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Necronym
Ruthless Aggression Epidemic.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:34:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Necronym on 23/03/2009 22:34:02
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Windsoord Maelstrom
Evolution Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:34:00 -
[238]
My vote was to become "Barbie is 50!", then next week become "Wolverine" then to switch off to "Transformer 2" this summer. This is of course while we all play http://www.hellokittyonline.com/us/
P.S. We're still better than you.
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Ackaroth
Digital assassins The Foray Project
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:35:00 -
[239]
Pretty fuggin gay. I'm sure everyone says they will unsub or this will cost CCP money but tbh we are all still playing after all the other BS thats happened.
Still tho, this is pretty sad. CCP's little sandbox, not ours. ~*~*~ Unofficial Member of the "Spies in refrigerators" fan club.
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Jezebel Harlot
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:36:00 -
[240]
Cue ten gabillion goon and allies alt voting any whining. /not signed
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NeoTech
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:36:00 -
[241]
Simple, don't cheat BoB, for once atleast.
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Balthamael
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:38:00 -
[242]
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Ann Ripley
Caldari FinFleet Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:39:00 -
[243]
Jesus i hope you tards that are complaining quit the game. Less idiots to listen to.
Incoming wahhhhhhbulance....
We are still better than you ;) "Insert witty comment here" |
Sabrosa Namaste
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:39:00 -
[244]
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Mogren
Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:39:00 -
[245]
Burn.
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Zedrik Cayne
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:39:00 -
[246]
This will be dealt with? --
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying piħatas.
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Robert Knight
On The Brink Of Insanity
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:40:00 -
[247]
Bad Slave, bad
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Palmer Eldritch
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:40:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Lucy Strike Why the **** are you whining?? Arent you supperior to them in military might? OR? Didnt you achive glorious victory?? no you didnt so STFU and fight. They are waiting right now... And you know it..
So when it comes down to it goonwagon aint nothing but a bag of stale air. Like everyone knows. Even your "buddies" will set you red in a while to control the moons "you so gloriously" got hold of.
Yo
That's all stuff that happens in game. It's cool.
Special favours from the devs for favoured alliances aren't the same thing. They're not so cool.
Kenny don't need dev help. They're better than us. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
Mr Blue
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:41:00 -
[249]
whats up ccp
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:41:00 -
[250]
-------------------------- NOTR B A N A N A S |
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Lucy Strike
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:42:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Lucy Strike on 23/03/2009 22:46:25 Perhaps they just did it to **** you off ;) but your politeness is disturbing...
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:42:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Ann Ripley Jesus i hope you tards that are complaining quit the game. Less idiots to listen to.
Incoming wahhhhhhbulance....
We are still better than you ;)
better at self destructing your moros's and logging with aggro, I've killed you both times when you tried these stunts, no its pretty clear that you're failed iteration of terrible alliance isnt even better than atlas or c0ven.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:42:00 -
[253]
if you disagree with me then you should probably post a response and stop reading my signature. |
Jemanu
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:43:00 -
[254]
Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason. null
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Reverand Pastor
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:43:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Lucy Strike Why the **** are you whining?? Arent you supperior to them in military might? OR? Didnt you achive glorious victory?? no you didnt so STFU and fight. They are waiting right now... And you know it..
So when it comes down to it goonwagon aint nothing but a bag of stale air. Like everyone knows. Even your "buddies" will set you red in a while to control the moons "you so gloriously" got hold of.
It is not just goons upset by this. CCP is giving special teatment to a group of players above and beyond the status quo. GBC members should (and are) just as outraged by this as this is disegards you as a player and basically says the rules apply to most but not all.
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Ann Ripley
Caldari FinFleet Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:44:00 -
[256]
Mayeb KeZoku meant somthing very very dirty.... so got changed ;) but seriously... name dont matter.. we aint going away "Insert witty comment here" |
faterror
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:44:00 -
[257]
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Vuk Lau
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:46:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Vuk Lau on 23/03/2009 22:47:30
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Traderjohn I would request that CSA take up this matter with CCP having a bias view on name changes.
Says the guy who is the only one to get a mothership back by petition. The irony.
Says the guy whose alliance leader got totaly legitimate titan loss reimbursed just because GM Team is worse then ISD Dept. As my friend Justin Timberlake said - "What goes around, comes around", we nailed it again. GM Team still didnt replied to my petition that his Avatar loss in 8WA-Z6 should be reimbursed aswell, so we could kill it again, and again.
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Eanae
Active Exploration Organisation IMPERIUM.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:47:00 -
[259]
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Skeltem
Trans-Solar Works FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:48:00 -
[260]
Edited by: Skeltem on 23/03/2009 22:48:38
----------------------------------------- [21:01:41] Shigsy > U MAKED EXPLISION [21:01:43] Shigsy > FROM SHIP |
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:49:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Edited by: Vuk Lau on 23/03/2009 22:47:30
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Traderjohn I would request that CSA take up this matter with CCP having a bias view on name changes.
Says the guy who is the only one to get a mothership back by petition. The irony.
Says the guy whose alliance leader got totaly legitimate titan loss reimbursed just because GM Team is worse then ISD Dept. As my friend Justin Timberlake said - "What goes around, comes around", we nailed it again. GM Team still didnt replied to my petition that his Avatar loss in 8WA-Z6 should be reimbursed aswell, so we could kill it again, and again.
As im also a good friend of JT "cry me a river
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Curse YourFaith
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:50:00 -
[262]
Hi i'll just drop this here
bye
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:50:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Ann Ripley Jesus i hope you tards that are complaining quit the game. Less idiots to listen to.
Incoming wahhhhhhbulance....
We are still better than you ;)
At cheating.
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Djerin
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:51:00 -
[264]
Same rules for everyone.
---- Sarmaul's crosstrainorgtfo |
Cletus Graeme
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:51:00 -
[265]
It appears that those who can't win, cheat. Nice one CCP.
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gorm secandson
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:51:00 -
[266]
I'm so sick and tired of this crap..
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Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:51:00 -
[267]
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:52:00 -
[268]
When I get home from work I'm gonna make an alliance called "Band of Brothers ******ed" because I'm witty like that. _____
CCP, your nepotism is showing. |
Chadstick
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:52:00 -
[269]
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Mik kyo
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:52:00 -
[270]
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Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:52:00 -
[271]
support fist 09 ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun.
Space Vikings |
Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:53:00 -
[272]
Bias in my eve, surely you jest.
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dDeniZ
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:53:00 -
[273]
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Doomed1
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:53:00 -
[274]
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Cpt Iwan
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:53:00 -
[275]
Fully support this. Looks like ccp will never learn.
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roq deelim
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:53:00 -
[276]
do it!
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Lipix
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:53:00 -
[277]
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PyroChemist
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:54:00 -
[278]
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Dworf
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:55:00 -
[279]
not fair...
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KalamMek
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:55:00 -
[280]
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Redplayer X
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:56:00 -
[281]
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Nef Erator
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:56:00 -
[282]
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Dumah Tace
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:57:00 -
[283]
disband them please.
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TakeTheDoom
Fate of Norns
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:57:00 -
[284]
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SkwisgaarSkwigelf
C.R.M Productions Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:58:00 -
[285]
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Solcypher
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:58:00 -
[286]
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Malkai
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:58:00 -
[287]
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Joakim Saxon
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:59:00 -
[288]
Yes, the name doesn't matter.
The ignoring of established precedent regarding character, corporation, or alliance name changes. The circumvention of the usual requirements of remaking an alliance, spending 1 billion ISK and resetting all sovereignty claims. CCP preferential treatment (yet again).
Those matter.
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Casiella Truza
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:00:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Karina Bellac Edited by: Karina Bellac on 23/03/2009 22:32:20 "Band of Brothers Reloaded" is 25 characters long. As per the EVE Online Naming Policy
Quote:
2. CHARACTER NAMES
* a. Valid player character names:
o Must be at least 4 characters. o Cannot exceed 24 characters.
Quote:
4. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies.
Exactly. --
IC Twitter |
Angelina MacDonnell
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:00:00 -
[290]
While this was most likely just a single employee going off the reservation, and can be fixed without disbanding, it remains an issue that should be addressed publicly by CCP.
Supported in the sense that I wish to see rules applied evenly across all players, and to see those that cannot be held accountable for their action.
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Adotta
Doorways to the Abyss
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:01:00 -
[291]
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GallenteJim
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:02:00 -
[292]
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Brobuck
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:02:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Adotta
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Triggsz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:02:00 -
[294]
heh :V |
jimmybeech
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:03:00 -
[295]
so many rules broken. This should not have been possible, This is not how it should have been done.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:04:00 -
[296]
As CSM I'm not going to touch this with a 10ft pole, as person I think this is messed up. ---
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Davor
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:04:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Ann Ripley BEAVER
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Ix Forres
Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:05:00 -
[298]
Edited by: Ix Forres on 23/03/2009 23:04:45 I remember after BoB were disbanded people sadly joking to each other "Wait till CCP rename the new alliance back to BoB, right?". Well, even sadder, it's happened. And... well, this is now headed to easily be the largest CSM thread. Which says a lot.
Everyone should play by the same rules. Any inconsistency in how these rules are enforced entirely breaks EVE as an ecosystem and environment.
This decision should at the very least be reversed. Whoever is responsible for this within CCP, be it a GM, dev or ISD should be at least named and shamed and if not internally disciplined. This is what IA was created for; it's time to see if the loss of some of EVE's greatest architects (who left due to the creation of IA and/or the sea-change it instigated in CCP's ethos) was worth it. If no action is taken against any employees or the decision is not reversed, it will be a sad day for EVE- this will be yet another documented, publicly displayed (I'm just waiting for this to hit the blogosphere/MMO news sites) example of CCP (Or someone within CCP)'s favouritism towards this alliance.
On a side note- the maximum character length of an alliance name according to CCP's policies is 24 characters. Why is BOBR allowed 25 characters? -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | EVE Metrics (NEW) | I Tweet |
KhaelaMensha Khaine
Minmatar Bladerunners KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:05:00 -
[299]
Enough is enough. Quit with the favouritism!
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Ortogon
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:05:00 -
[300]
This needs to be investigated.
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Aperion Madante
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:05:00 -
[301]
Dear BoBR,
You got screwed bad. But you also failed to to secure your own executor corp properly. If you had properly maintained your own house, this would never have been an issue. The failure is your own when you let someone whom you have admitted should not have had director roles have and keep them. Ultimately this is your failure, not CCP's, and they should not give you special treatment when they have acknowledged that nothing improper was done. You should lose your new name or pay the price to keep it. |
DEATHsyphon
8lack Wing Black Sheep Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:06:00 -
[302]
Edited by: DEATHsyphon on 23/03/2009 23:06:29 Unless everyone else can change there names now which in the past we havnt been ale too. This is not acceptable and there name should be changed back if they want a new name they need to form a new alliance.
-------------------- I'm not not going to pod you! |
Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:07:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Aglaea I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else. Thanks.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
kittie kat
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:07:00 -
[304]
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Vanija
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:08:00 -
[305]
Seriously. I am glad to see that the CCP believes in equal treatment for all.
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Jessica Dean
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:09:00 -
[306]
Fail exception from the rules is fail.
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Amadeus Bohr
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:09:00 -
[307]
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Will Hunter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:11:00 -
[308]
sreegs
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Narciss Sevar
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:11:00 -
[309]
I approve this message.
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Pedro Sangre
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:12:00 -
[310]
I expect rules to apply across all players equally, be they friendly / hostile / neutral.
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Kyodai Koga
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:13:00 -
[311]
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rEborp
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:13:00 -
[312]
Shame shame...
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Jack Light
legion syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:15:00 -
[313]
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:15:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Ann Ripley Jesus i hope you tards that are complaining quit the game. Less idiots to listen to.
Incoming wahhhhhhbulance....
We are still better than you ;)
This is precisely the kind of arrogance that comes from knowing you've got the devs in your pocket. Has CCP learned anything at all from T20?
Where is the transparency we were promised? Why are things like this still allowed to happen?
Yes, its a dumb rule and really not that big a deal. It's not like the new name is even good. But you know what? Decisions like this are a sign that maybe one day CCP won't care too much when the rule broken IS a big deal. And that's a problem. ___________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more. |
Jin Masaru
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:16:00 -
[315]
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:16:00 -
[316]
they had several sov 3 systems they should have to sacrifice, not to mention the 1 bil alliance forming fee, so it does matter since other alliances don't have this option
same rules should apply to everyone, an alliance that has previously been the beneficiary of developer misconduct isn't a particularly smart choice for receiving special treatment
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Malcore Trisus
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:17:00 -
[317]
signed
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Farham
Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:18:00 -
[318]
Why play with a bunch of boobs when you can play with a great set of TITTS? |
Ar'tee
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:19:00 -
[319]
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Seraphim Io
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:19:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Karina Bellac Edited by: Karina Bellac on 23/03/2009 22:32:20 "Band of Brothers Reloaded" is 25 characters long. As per the EVE Online Naming Policy
Quote:
2. CHARACTER NAMES
* a. Valid player character names:
o Must be at least 4 characters. o Cannot exceed 24 characters.
Quote:
4. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies.
that is Delicious
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Orion GUardian
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:19:00 -
[321]
right because we care.....
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Mourning Starr
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:20:00 -
[322]
ass clowns, cop on
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Mestor Viklar
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:20:00 -
[323]
BoB getting unfair treatment from the devs? Well I never! |
Tipz NexAstrum
Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:22:00 -
[324]
Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order in these forums.
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Lars Erlkonig
Flipmode Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:22:00 -
[325]
CCP-get your act together. You can't keep favoring one group and allowing them full run of the game without having to follow the rules. I don't care which Devs/Founders/whatever you have in BOBR, it needs to stop.
Originally by: TWD We suck and Goonswarm are PvP gods.
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Zumbala
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:25:00 -
[326]
I would really like to hear what kind of explanation we will get about this. If we get any.
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RahSun
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:25:00 -
[327]
Arkanon-do your job!
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Momoha
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:25:00 -
[328]
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QwaarJet
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:26:00 -
[329]
Signed.
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Oomi Naerre
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:26:00 -
[330]
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Julius Lincinius
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:27:00 -
[331]
Finally the CSM can do it's intended job.
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Mestoth
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:27:00 -
[332]
Edited by: Mestoth on 23/03/2009 23:29:09 3. VIOLATIONS a. If a name is deemed inappropriate, GMĈs may be able to change the characterĈs name in some circumstances. This is solely at the discretion of CCP and/or its representatives based on, but not limited to, account and player history and the severity of the violation. There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason.[b]
from http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
and its 25 charachters long for a 24 charachter length limit. Otherwise, Goon swarm should be able to rename "Goonswarm, Masters of Band of Brothers Cause characther lengths dont matter anymore with my new GM Friend"
New ticker will be "GOONSWARM PWNS UP T20"
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Voculus
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:27:00 -
[333]
_________________________________________________________
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AnarchistUK
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:28:00 -
[334]
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:29:00 -
[335]
haha
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Apsa1ar
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:29:00 -
[336]
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Ignoramus Dingle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:29:00 -
[337]
I for one am eagerly awaiting CCP's response to this. There are only two acceptable things CCP can do here: a. Change their name back to KenZoku b. Drop their sovereignty claims and treat them like a new alliance. |
Paul 0akenfold
Perfecto Records
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:29:00 -
[338]
Edited by: Paul 0akenfold on 23/03/2009 23:30:19 ♫♫♪♫♫♪♪♫♪♪♫♫♪♫♫♪
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Snorgles McFlufferton
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:30:00 -
[339]
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Jack Gates
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:30:00 -
[340]
Cheating isn't cool. Call goons what you want, but at least we don't cheat.
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Graccus Meichun
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:31:00 -
[341]
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Barwinius
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:31:00 -
[342]
Same treatment for all. |
Aurvundill
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:32:00 -
[343]
Well the name for BOBR does seem much longer then the field allows. :O
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Information Broker
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:32:00 -
[344]
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Chita Rivera
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:33:00 -
[345]
Very smelly CCP
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pixaal
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:33:00 -
[346]
Do it
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Sissy Fuzz
Amarr Sissy Fuzz Communications
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:33:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Slaveone In another demonstration of developer misconduct CCP renamed Kenzoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded. This has never been done for an alliance, character, or corporation, ever.
Please vote up to disband BOBR.
Not supported. STFU whiner.
Sissy Fuzz The cutest n00b evarh
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Monsieur Escargots
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:33:00 -
[348]
it's the small things that count. It comes down to principle. This is not right. |
Zeph1rus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:33:00 -
[349]
This does seem to be an appropriate action.
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Captain Soki
Esoteria Enterprises Trans-Stellar Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:33:00 -
[350]
My entertainment bacbone....
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Aetec Raa
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:34:00 -
[351]
/signed |
PsychoUK
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:34:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Monsieur Escargots it's the small things that count. It comes down to principle. This is not right.
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Vanst Keal
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:35:00 -
[353]
Internal Affairs needs to look into this immediately.
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skink bunchies
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:38:00 -
[354]
Something is wrong with this
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Spiraal
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:38:00 -
[355]
hopping on
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Nekre
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:38:00 -
[356]
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BurntCornMuffin
Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:40:00 -
[357]
Supporting this.
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Psychosis Viper
Gallente BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:40:00 -
[358]
Edited by: Psychosis Viper on 23/03/2009 23:43:44
Originally by: Julian Shran
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Hauling Theo ONe stone to rule em all, but one rule to stone em all.
THIS is messed up.
Yeah, but a flawed GAME MECHANIC that will only have ONE victim, BoB, isn't messed up?
Please explain why it takes 24 hours to leave a corp, takes 24 hours to JOIN an alliance, takes even 10 hours to DESTROY a character....but it takes only a millisecond to insta pop a whole alliance? Please, explain in a legitimate way without bias how this is isn't messed up?
I am all ears.
Straight from the rulebooks:
"The executor of an Alliance is given the authority to act on behalf of the Alliance in all matters. This authority is subject to review by the Alliance council. The limitation to a single executor simplifies the operation of the Alliance system, however it also places a great deal of responsibility on the member corporations to oversee the actions of the executor. At present there is no formal alliance-wide voting system on Alliance actions and policies in place, and while this is in development the use of a single executor corporation offers a suitable workaround when combined with the Declaration of Executor Support."
This would include kicking Corps out of and disbanding alliances. It was not a 'quit' it was a disband abd those takes seconds and a mouseclick.
Not a FLAWED game mechanic, but simply a MECHANIC....
Ok according to the "Eve RuleBook" Lets breakdown what this actually says. ex+ec+u+tor (g-zky-tr, ks-kytr) n. 1. A person who carries out or performs something. 2. Law A person who is appointed by a testator to execute the testator's will.
Hmm Every definition of an Executor, is "A" person.. Not an entire corporation, not the corporation directors. It defines "An" Administrator. Singular, not plural.
So Julian, thank you for pointing out this very obvious point and showing what the rulebook actually says. Much appreciated! Psychosis Viper - Director of Security [WYD] Brotherhood of Sparta
Brotherhood of Sparta Public Relations Dept. |
Thisbe Dorn
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:41:00 -
[359]
How to fight loneliness?
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Temporalis
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:41:00 -
[360]
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Lord H3lmet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:41:00 -
[361]
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Mo adib
Titan Industries Technology Team
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:42:00 -
[362]
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Tamir Lenk
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:42:00 -
[363]
Why would CCP give preferential treatment over something this foolish? Do the developers and moderators ignore the rest of the TOS?
This travesty must be addressed.
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Englebert Humpher
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:42:00 -
[364]
Smile all the time.
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Ed Silepec
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:42:00 -
[365]
One game, one rule. |
The Qat
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:43:00 -
[366]
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Guillame Herschel
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:43:00 -
[367]
Are you guys from Wall Street or something? How out of touch can you get? Ever heard of 'appearance of impropriety?' I'm theorizing that such concept does not exist in Icelandic culture.
Just rename this game to Bob's Playground and get it over with.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Flesh Wombat
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:43:00 -
[368]
Shine you teeth 'til meaningless.
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Aborterator
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:43:00 -
[369]
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Althair Erin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:43:00 -
[370]
The same rules must apply to all players -------------- On Hope On Kindness |
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:44:00 -
[371]
Edited by: Recon Three on 23/03/2009 23:44:07 inb4 CCP comes in and bans everyone who supported this and then renames EVE Online to BOB Online where you have to have a history of MMO exploitation to register an account.
Edit: In after the CCP/BOB man orgy. _____
CCP, your nepotism is showing. |
Han Shuu
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:44:00 -
[372]
One game one rule
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Lech Kaczynski
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:45:00 -
[373]
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Keef Bochs
Ore Diggers
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:45:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Ed Silepec One game, one rule.
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:45:00 -
[375]
While I can understand the concern with CCP potentially showing favoritism towards BoB (especially given past incidents here), I do think the whole alliance disbanding thing was somewhat of a mitigating factor. Still, if it's a serious issue to some people, I could see a demand for action (although right now it seems to be primarily BoB's enemies and alts posting).
What I don't understand is the demand to disband BoB. Even the original post quite clearly states that this would be a case of developer misconduct, and the solution to this is to...take it out on players? How does that deal with developer misconduct? If you were calling out the person who approved this, and whether that was an unbiased decision, sure, but asking for BoB 2.0 to be disbanded is just silly, and to me screams of ulterior motives.
If you lose a ship due to a known and confirmed in game bug, and petition it, should the GM simply destroy all ships you own if he feels this wasn't a bug after all?
This basically screams like another forum attention stunt by the Goons & co.
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Antolin Vakalas
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:47:00 -
[376]
Interesting how these things tend to break in favor of one group.
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Ed Silepec
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:48:00 -
[377]
Originally by: Karezan What I don't understand is the demand to disband BoB. Even the original post quite clearly states that this would be a case of developer misconduct, and the solution to this is to...take it out on players? How does that deal with developer misconduct? If you were calling out the person who approved this, and whether that was an unbiased decision, sure, but asking for BoB 2.0 to be disbanded is just silly, and to me screams of ulterior motives.
Alliances cannot be renamed. If an alliance wants to change its name, it must first disband (potentially losing all its sov) then reform under the new name - if it doesn't want to risk it, then the old name stands.
This is the way it's always been, and the rules have been blatantly ignored in Kenzoku's favor. What's so hard to understand?
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WingT
Moon Mechanics Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:48:00 -
[378]
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Aqua II
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:48:00 -
[379]
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Phane Rielle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:48:00 -
[380]
It's pretty bad that we even need threads like this. |
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Vincent Death
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:48:00 -
[381]
Change the name back. They can be called whatever they want imho but they should do it in exactly the same way that the rest of us have to.
The proper name for a social system based on political freedom is capitalism. |
Karonas
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:48:00 -
[382]
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Vasili Z
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:48:00 -
[383]
waaaah, no -------
Eve requires no skill anymore |
Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:49:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Karezan While I can understand the concern with CCP potentially showing favoritism towards BoB (especially given past incidents here), I do think the whole alliance disbanding thing was somewhat of a mitigating factor. Still, if it's a serious issue to some people, I could see a demand for action (although right now it seems to be primarily BoB's enemies and alts posting).
What I don't understand is the demand to disband BoB. Even the original post quite clearly states that this would be a case of developer misconduct, and the solution to this is to...take it out on players? How does that deal with developer misconduct? If you were calling out the person who approved this, and whether that was an unbiased decision, sure, but asking for BoB 2.0 to be disbanded is just silly, and to me screams of ulterior motives.
If you lose a ship due to a known and confirmed in game bug, and petition it, should the GM simply destroy all ships you own if he feels this wasn't a bug after all?
This basically screams like another forum attention stunt by the Goons & co.
The point isnt to delete the alliance to be punitive, but rather that Kenzoku would have had to disband itself and pay the fees / lose sov to reform. Disbanding bob reloaded merely mitigates the damage done.
Sure, it isn't a big deal but its fair ___________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more. |
Taedron
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:50:00 -
[385]
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Itzena
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:51:00 -
[386]
So what's up with Beaver Bros. anyway?
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boot q
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:53:00 -
[387]
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Smokey Chillarius
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:54:00 -
[388]
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Cazzah
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:54:00 -
[389]
Originally by: Ed Silepec One game, one rule.
Nuff said ______ Cazzah, Recruiting Manager Eve University |
RoboTronic
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:55:00 -
[390]
+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?+?
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T'Alana Ferri
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:55:00 -
[391]
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Lumen Atra
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:55:00 -
[392]
Oh, silly beavers.
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PeggyZhu
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:55:00 -
[393]
Edited by: PeggyZhu on 23/03/2009 23:55:32 This is unacceptable CCP, havenĈt you learnt anything from the T20 incident? |
get money
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:57:00 -
[394]
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Aya
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:57:00 -
[395]
Sometimes I wonder what you guys would do without BoB in the game, you would have nothing to blindly lash your anger out at. People in all NC alliances have been fed such crap and rumors they cant see they are a worse plauge on this game than any other entity ever was or will be.
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Gradivus
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:57:00 -
[396]
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Cas Ca'Dego
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:57:00 -
[397]
Yes. BoBs ability to manipulate CCP into maintaining a second set of rules on BoB's behalf is out of control and has been abided for too long.
This should have happened after T20 or when Molle cheated his first titan back from MAX.
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Morning Mist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:58:00 -
[398]
Edited by: Morning Mist on 23/03/2009 23:57:55 If we decided to change our Alliance name to RemedialSucks (RSUX) without losing Sov I'd be ****ed too.
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Natika Veritas
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:58:00 -
[399]
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G'ulSera
Masters of Noise
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:59:00 -
[400]
Seriously, all this crying is making me LMFAO
You already disbanded BOB once, and to prevent them to counter anything you want to disband them again? The most that you could demand is to change the name back. Disbanding the old alliance (under a new name)?
You goon muppets just made me lol @ internetspaceships in front of a girl ;p Fight To Survive, Survive To Fight Messing up your mind with the sound of destruction *The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty* |
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Silas Aquitor
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:59:00 -
[401]
I vote no unless CCP wants to let me change my name to "****nose McGillicutty". I'd prolly still vote no, tbqh.
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Morning Mist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:59:00 -
[402]
Originally by: Aya Sometimes I wonder what you guys would do without BoB in the game, you would have nothing to blindly lash your anger out at. People in all NC alliances have been fed such crap and rumors they cant see they are a worse plauge on this game than any other entity ever was or will be.
Without BoB we'd have a game without a group of people being blatantly favored. Man what a crazy world.
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facialimpediment
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:00:00 -
[403]
Edited by: facialimpediment on 24/03/2009 00:00:27 Rules are for everyone, not everyone but one group. This isn't 2004-2006 anymore.
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BiaXia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:00:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Khandara Seraphim
Originally by: Karezan While I can understand the concern with CCP potentially showing favoritism towards BoB (especially given past incidents here), I do think the whole alliance disbanding thing was somewhat of a mitigating factor. Still, if it's a serious issue to some people, I could see a demand for action (although right now it seems to be primarily BoB's enemies and alts posting).
What I don't understand is the demand to disband BoB. Even the original post quite clearly states that this would be a case of developer misconduct, and the solution to this is to...take it out on players? How does that deal with developer misconduct? If you were calling out the person who approved this, and whether that was an unbiased decision, sure, but asking for BoB 2.0 to be disbanded is just silly, and to me screams of ulterior motives.
If you lose a ship due to a known and confirmed in game bug, and petition it, should the GM simply destroy all ships you own if he feels this wasn't a bug after all?
This basically screams like another forum attention stunt by the Goons & co.
The point isnt to delete the alliance to be punitive, but rather that Kenzoku would have had to disband itself and pay the fees / lose sov to reform. Disbanding bob reloaded merely mitigates the damage done.
Sure, it isn't a big deal but its fair
This is more or less what we're getting at, BoBR should be under the same rules as all the rest of us. This doesn't have anything to do with 0.0 politics, it's just us asking that they be held to the same rules as all the rest of us. CCP is meant to be a neutral party in the game world. A name change is a small, trivial thing, yes, but it is still well outside of the rules that are meant to apply to everyone.
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Sippin Syzzzurp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:00:00 -
[405]
Restore old name or disband, one of the two, either is fine.
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GiggMaster
Main Office
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:01:00 -
[406]
NOW []'s GiggMaster |
Rastigan
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:02:00 -
[407]
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Typhena
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:02:00 -
[408]
--- Sig Under Construction |
LightZenith
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:03:00 -
[409]
I thought corruption ended with T20.
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Igner Greyhound
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:03:00 -
[410]
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camel crush
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:03:00 -
[411]
Jeepers, Wally.
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Shelyst
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:03:00 -
[412]
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Treylis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:04:00 -
[413]
Stain Allaince-
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TyphMaster
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:04:00 -
[414]
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Baltar Koses
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:05:00 -
[415]
/signed
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Comstr
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:05:00 -
[416]
This disgrace has violated not one but TWO rules - change of name and the length of the name. Either would be a matter for disciplinary action against the person or persons involved.
That includes the person who asked for such a favour knowing it would be granted despite being against the rules everyone else is required to live under.
However, if this new policy is allowed to apply to all players, corporations and alliances, I will gladly withdrawal my demands.
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Eve Spair
Nova Prospekt Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:06:00 -
[417]
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ceaon
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:06:00 -
[418]
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:07:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Sippin Syzzzurp Restore old name or disband, one of the two, either is fine.
Option 3: Since the horse is already out of the barn, allow any character, corp or alliance to petition for their name to be changed. Would be great to get the spelling of mine corrected to Guillaume. I submitted a petition asking for exactly that just a short while ago. -- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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General Paul
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:07:00 -
[420]
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:07:00 -
[421]
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Zul'Athar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:07:00 -
[422]
You'd think after T20. |
GeneralNukeEm
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:08:00 -
[423]
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torpedan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:09:00 -
[424]
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Poopsock Alarmclock
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:09:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Sippin Syzzzurp Restore old name or disband, one of the two, either is fine.
Option 3: Since the horse is already out of the barn, allow any character, corp or alliance to petition for their name to be changed. Would be great to get the spelling of mine corrected to Guillaume. I submitted a petition asking for exactly that just a short while ago.
No dice, to keep things fair game changes need to be announced to everyone at once, not made available to CCP's favourite alliance first.
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BCE 3AHRTO
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:09:00 -
[426]
seriously, how did they figure they were going to get away with this?? As funny as BOBR sounds, they should lose sov or go back to Kenny.
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Judge Fang
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:09:00 -
[427]
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others (and also receive cloned t2 bpos and special treatment repeatedly laffeux)
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Yisra'el
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:10:00 -
[428]
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Tal Notts
Divine Power. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:10:00 -
[429]
when will CCP learn.
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Bagpuss
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:11:00 -
[430]
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Che Kdoud
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:11:00 -
[431]
/signed
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Viscount Prawn
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:11:00 -
[432]
Edited by: Viscount Prawn on 24/03/2009 00:11:25 Voting to either disband, rename them to Kenzoku, or charge them $1 bil and drop all sovereignty as would have happened if they'd changed names legitimately through the usual channels.
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Lord Blandness
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:11:00 -
[433]
Once cheaters, always cheaters.
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MataSanos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:11:00 -
[434]
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Sara Aerten
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:12:00 -
[435]
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:12:00 -
[436]
http://www.beaverbrosinc.com/index.html
Quote: Beaver Brothers, Inc. is a heating and air conditioning contractor...
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I have done a bad thing. |
Arch Ville
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:12:00 -
[437]
I vote Disband.
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Staplerfahrer Klaus
Gamma Haulers Against Drama GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:14:00 -
[438]
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:14:00 -
[439]
Originally by: Nevada Tan http://www.beaverbrosinc.com/index.html
Quote: Beaver Brothers, Inc. is a heating and air conditioning contractor...
This is almost too awesome to be true.
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Mahke
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:15:00 -
[440]
Edited by: Mahke on 24/03/2009 00:16:28 edit: left out a not.
Some groups of players should not receive developer help and features not available to others.
Either: a) the name should be changed back b) the alliance should be disbanded c) a name change feature should be universally available to alliances and possibly corps.
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Nigerian Prince
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:16:00 -
[441]
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Nocturnal Hunter
APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:17:00 -
[442]
disband
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SE10
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:18:00 -
[443]
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Robert Jones
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:18:00 -
[444]
Double standards on multiple counts is pretty terrible.
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Caius Proximus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:18:00 -
[445]
This is precisely what the CSM was originally created for so this proposal if any deserves discussion. |
Dontcheck Availability
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:18:00 -
[446]
____________________
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Ishbuanium
Black Skull Legion No Apology
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:19:00 -
[447]
Edited by: Ishbuanium on 24/03/2009 00:19:22 ITS A BUG GUYS NOT A FEATURE WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST EVER!
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Snasty
The Hippies House of Mercury
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:19:00 -
[448]
--------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=- |
Fernomina
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:19:00 -
[449]
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Kenzoku Kenzoku
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:19:00 -
[450]
Edited by: Kenzoku Kenzoku on 24/03/2009 00:21:10 am i now also allowed to rename my name?
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Herr Drown
Ad Astra Per Aspera GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:20:00 -
[451]
fire t20, free kugu
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Lord Benz
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:22:00 -
[452]
Edited by: Lord Benz on 24/03/2009 00:22:34 As the recruitment director for the Band of Brothers Corporation (now recruiting) i feel as if i have been personally slighted by this blatant disregard for the rules. Shame on you CCP, why do you cater to such terrible players? And Lady Scarlet has STILL refused to share information regarding buffets with me. If you are going to throw caution to the wind and break your own rules to change the name of an alliance who dwells in empire space, at least name it something befitting. Like, Lady Scarlet hoardes all our food, water is wet, etc. I seem to remember Dynasia explicitly stating that the alliance "didnt want that name anyway" so why go to the trouble of making it look like BOB still has it's hands in CCPs skirt?
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OldPueblo
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:22:00 -
[453]
Fair's fair.
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Rick Thwaites
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:23:00 -
[454]
--
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Lofe sXe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:24:00 -
[455]
wtf CCP
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Vinata
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:24:00 -
[456]
Ok, I'm in.
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Superintendent Chalmers
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:24:00 -
[457]
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Jean Nguyen
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:24:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Herr Drown fire t20, free kugu
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codex09
Entropy Systems Mining Co. FREELANCER ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:24:00 -
[459]
If You See a Bright Flash Close by in 0.0 Space Don't Fear For You Are Already Dead!?!
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Kenzoku Kenzoku
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:24:00 -
[460]
Edited by: Kenzoku Kenzoku on 24/03/2009 00:24:28 petition with the wish to change this inapropriate name sent
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Kuisma Koistinen
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:25:00 -
[461]
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spoekus9
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:25:00 -
[462]
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Nortseddar
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:25:00 -
[463]
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Rialctseddar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:26:00 -
[464]
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Snake Bacon
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:26:00 -
[465]
Sss.
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Dinahktseddar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:27:00 -
[466]
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SpiderWebMayhem
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:27:00 -
[467]
Pretty bad CCP. Pretty bad.
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Xerpex
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:28:00 -
[468]
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Mike Yass
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:28:00 -
[469]
did anyone seriously think about what would happen?
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stonerjesus
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:28:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Khandara Seraphim
This is precisely the kind of arrogance that comes from knowing you've got the devs in your pocket. Has CCP learned anything at all from T20?
Where is the transparency we were promised? Why are things like this still allowed to happen?
Yes, its a dumb rule and really not that big a deal. It's not like the new name is even good. But you know what? Decisions like this are a sign that maybe one day CCP won't care too much when the rule broken IS a big deal. And that's a problem.
Quoting for truth
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The WhiteRecluse
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:29:00 -
[471]
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Mystafyre
First Clan Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:29:00 -
[472]
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The BlackRecluse
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:30:00 -
[473]
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The GreyRecluse
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:30:00 -
[474]
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smitz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:32:00 -
[475]
god damn ccp, not again
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SpiderWebMaelstrom
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:33:00 -
[476]
Originally by: Mestoth Edited by: Mestoth on 23/03/2009 23:29:09 3. VIOLATIONS a. If a name is deemed inappropriate, GMĈs may be able to change the characterĈs name in some circumstances. This is solely at the discretion of CCP and/or its representatives based on, but not limited to, account and player history and the severity of the violation. There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason.
from http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
and its 25 charachters long for a 24 charachter length limit.
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Space Dolemite
Recycling and Recovery
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:34:00 -
[477]
yo sup dis re-re posse in da house why ccp be trippin dem actin like a bad dogg an a bad dogg he be no good fo nobody
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Rudolf Miller
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:34:00 -
[478]
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Perussi Slicis
Van Uber.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:35:00 -
[479]
I'm not a business man, I'm a business, man! |
Da Maddness
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:36:00 -
[480]
IMO very bad form.
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Amiable Quinn
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:36:00 -
[481]
One game, one rule.
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Friend John
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:36:00 -
[482]
I am saddened by what has occurred this day.
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Seren Khi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:37:00 -
[483]
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POS Engineer
KO Solutions
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:37:00 -
[484]
Not a supporter of Kenbeaver or Goon.
I am a supporter of impartial CCP though.
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:38:00 -
[485]
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Ming TehMerciless
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:38:00 -
[486]
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IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:39:00 -
[487]
I can't understand why they would do this if it is against their own rules as it opens the door for other players/corps/alliances to do the same thing & really CCP not allowing others to do it now will only fan the flames of this fire.
Is there a place where CCP have this rule(?) written where us players are able to have a read of it?
To say I am disappointed with this is an understatement & if something that is as noticeable as this is being done & there is rules to say it isn't done for anybody, then what else is being done for them that isn't as easy for outsiders to notice?
In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?! |
ZoXXX
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:39:00 -
[488]
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Uzec
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:39:00 -
[489]
double standards
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Faust Revis
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:39:00 -
[490]
Disband them.
Thats favoritism.
Must we all be reminded of the T20 incident?
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PC5
Black Souls Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:40:00 -
[491]
1
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Malakev
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:40:00 -
[492]
Wow it does remind me of the T20 thing or whatever it was.
STOP THE FAVORITISM!
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Kojima Masahiro
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:41:00 -
[493]
Do it!
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Invictus
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:42:00 -
[494]
Disband thier alliance or else I WILL have a serious quarrel with some Devs when I get to speak face to face.
Support! |
Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:42:00 -
[495]
I'll take my char rename now, something that starts with M please.
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von Goethe
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:43:00 -
[496]
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Yunii
Gallente Black Serpent Technologies Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:43:00 -
[497]
/signed
stop the favoritism... ------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Arkanon I think this thread also illustrates perfectly that we neither censor nor do we try to silence our customers. |
Leeme Lone
Gallente M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:43:00 -
[498]
Edited by: Leeme Lone on 24/03/2009 00:44:36 haha, you guys are pathetic... always a good laugh seeing people whine.
if bob self destructed a 1bil carrier would that make you happy :) ? else i cant really see whats the problem, did it ruin your KB stats or something lol :=)
keep up dramaing, its great entertainment
edit: if you think this vote will go through you are either optimistic or directly stupid.
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Elektrea
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:44:00 -
[499]
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Cabue
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:44:00 -
[500]
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Rn Bonnet
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:44:00 -
[501]
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:44:00 -
[502]
Originally by: Leeme Lone haha, you guys are pathetic... always a good laugh seeing people whine.
if bob self destructed a 1bil carrier would that make you happy :) ? else i cant really see whats the problem, did it ruin your KB stats or something lol :=)
keep up dramaing, its great entertainment
WOOOOOOOOOSH~ _____
CCP, your nepotism is showing. |
Woll Smoth
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:46:00 -
[503]
Supporting this
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Trezzym
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:46:00 -
[504]
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Admiral Feelgood
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:46:00 -
[505]
Originally by: Leeme Lone Edited by: Leeme Lone on 24/03/2009 00:44:36 haha, you guys are pathetic... always a good laugh seeing people whine.
if bob self destructed a 1bil carrier would that make you happy :) ? else i cant really see whats the problem, did it ruin your KB stats or something lol :=)
keep up dramaing, its great entertainment
edit: if you think this vote will go through you are either optimistic or directly stupid.
M. Corp XD
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:47:00 -
[506]
Not supported.
This was a renaming of an existing alliance; at worst the alliance should be simply renamed back, but not disbanded completely.
Also, it's hilarious to note where many of the votes in support of this proposal are coming from. Keep on hating, guys.
/Ben
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Leeme Lone
Gallente M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:48:00 -
[507]
i dont speak for my corporation nor my alliance, stop making that mistake aswell :)
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Hypno Trader
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:48:00 -
[508]
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:48:00 -
[509]
bunch of damned drama queens. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
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Dalmuti
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:49:00 -
[510]
indeed
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Danzir Kasnov
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:50:00 -
[511]
Tut tut, you can't deny it's a little inconsistent.
Ethereal Dawn not that long ago had their name stolen and assumed the alliance name Black Rise. Later the thieves relinquished the name and ED were able to re assume it. The important difference being..... ye you guessed it they lost sov to do it
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Carebear Caring
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:50:00 -
[512]
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Th3 Hauler
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:51:00 -
[513]
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Sexy Hoe
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:51:00 -
[514]
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Revi Sha'ariah
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:52:00 -
[515]
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Exploding Fist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:52:00 -
[516]
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ThorTheGreat
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:54:00 -
[517]
Originally by: Ben Derindar Not supported.
This was a renaming of an existing alliance; at worst the alliance should be simply renamed back, but not disbanded completely.
Also, it's hilarious to note where many of the votes in support of this proposal are coming from. Keep on hating, guys.
/Ben
Votes are votes and this issue WILL make it to council.
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StarryEyed Donut
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:55:00 -
[518]
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Erfurt
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:55:00 -
[519]
WE ARE WATCHING
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know neither victory nor defeat."
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:55:00 -
[520]
Is it me or are there alot of goon posts in this thread
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Rifter Drifter
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:56:00 -
[521]
This is a balls out inconsistency to say the least..
i really don't get involved with all this crap usually.. but time after time CCP seems to make them same ****-ups, it really should stop.
as has been said before, Consistency is the key to credibility in this industry.
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TheDoctorUK
BSC LEGION Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:56:00 -
[522]
So if a brand of toilet paper renames it self, why whould the competetor demand the name to be set back or disband the company.
Stop winging goon's and deal with it.
BoB is Reloaded deal with it!
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Space AFO
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:56:00 -
[523]
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Rascle
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:57:00 -
[524]
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Vladimir Antlerkov
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:57:00 -
[525]
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Tibba Curri
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:57:00 -
[526]
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Hertford
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:57:00 -
[527]
Originally by: TheDoctorUK So if a brand of toilet paper renames it self, why whould the competetor demand the name to be set back or disband the company.
Stop winging goon's and deal with it.
BoB is Reloaded deal with it!
BoB is toilet paper? |
Leeme Lone
Gallente M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:58:00 -
[528]
Originally by: ThorTheGreat
Originally by: Ben Derindar Not supported.
This was a renaming of an existing alliance; at worst the alliance should be simply renamed back, but not disbanded completely.
Also, it's hilarious to note where many of the votes in support of this proposal are coming from. Keep on hating, guys.
/Ben
Votes are votes and this issue WILL make it to council.
how can this be a legit vote if you cant even vote no <_<
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Jewgold Princess
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:58:00 -
[529]
UNFAIR
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Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:58:00 -
[530]
Whether intended or not, it looks like favouritism.
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Xelloss Metallum
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:59:00 -
[531]
Originally by: elohllird Is it me or are there alot of goon posts in this thread
Is it me or did your alliance gets its name changed in violation of CCP's own rules?
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Yasua
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:59:00 -
[532]
this is pretty much the biggest bull**** ever.
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Viscount Prawn
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:59:00 -
[533]
Originally by: TheDoctorUK So if a brand of toilet paper renames it self, why whould the competetor demand the name to be set back or disband the company.
Stop winging goon's and deal with it.
BoB is Reloaded deal with it!
You know, you're right - toilet paper is an excellent metaphor for Bobzoku II: Electric Boogaloo.
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Kietaso
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:00:00 -
[534]
siding wit GOON here
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Antea Lysandra
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:00:00 -
[535]
Former Bob come Kenzuki come Bob reloaded and allowed to rename their alliance from FFP (Fail Failure Productions) is total utter *******s!
- Rage against the system Forever. |
Ekolbam'i
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:00:00 -
[536]
disband them once and for all
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:01:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Xelloss Metallum
Originally by: elohllird Is it me or are there alot of goon posts in this thread
Is it me or did your alliance gets its name changed in violation of CCP's own rules?
heh mate i just work here nothing to do with me
/me whistles
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Orree
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:01:00 -
[538]
Edited by: Orree on 24/03/2009 01:01:37 I think what was done was incorrect. If they wanted a new alliance name, they should have had to use game mechanics to get one, like anyone else.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
ElweSingollo
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:01:00 -
[539]
wow awesome tell you what make a proposal to disband every space holding entity in the game and I will agree with you ok?
Also I believe if you think it is a Dev misconduct then you want to go to [email protected] and make a complaint there... or maybe I dunno rage quit some more?
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Again
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Vuk Lau
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:02:00 -
[540]
Waiting for initial response from CCP before raising the issue for next CSM meeting.
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BiaXia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:02:00 -
[541]
Originally by: TheDoctorUK So if a brand of toilet paper renames it self, why whould the competetor demand the name to be set back or disband the company.
Stop winging goon's and deal with it.
BoB is Reloaded deal with it!
There are rules in place about this. The rename was outside of said rules. If they want to be Bob reloaded so bad, they should drop sov and put down a bil like everyone else has to. It's not that hard a concept to grasp. I personally like the new name better, anime jokes were getting stale, I could have a lot of fun with the beaver gimmick. If Tau Ceti Federation suddenly turned into The French Connection, I'd petition it just the same. The rules are in place for a reason, the devs are meant to be a neutral body. There shouldn't be any discussion on this.
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Doomed Predator
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:03:00 -
[542]
The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:03:00 -
[543]
Originally by: Ekolbam'i disband them once and for all
doh stoopid
and then they form under a different alliance name with the same corps, ergo they are the same but with a different name.
let me see when that has happened before.....
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Finistri Nirum
75th Caldari Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:04:00 -
[544]
Supported. If I can't rename my corp, my alts, or my main, then no one should be able to do so.
Why CCP, why? ----------
"Friendly fire ain't." ---Unknown soldier |
Imperian
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:04:00 -
[545]
RAWR |
Skoot
Gladiators of Rage
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:04:00 -
[546]
wtf GM's?
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SFShootme
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:04:00 -
[547]
Why so serious guys, ahahaha.
Maybe if i put 25 thumbs up using all my alts it'll change.
Cry me a river
[VIDEO] Paroxysm
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Lusian
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:04:00 -
[548]
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Ignoramus Dingle
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:04:00 -
[549]
lol @ all of you that think this is just about the alliance name changing. no one would have had any problem with their name change if they had formed a new alliance to obtain it, just like everyone else has to do. instead they got a new name without the penalties (mainly sov loss) that come with it.
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Boris A
Gallente Mercurialis Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:05:00 -
[550]
signed
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devious007
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:05:00 -
[551]
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Shizo Lang
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:05:00 -
[552]
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:05:00 -
[553]
Originally by: TheDoctorUK So if a brand of toilet paper renames it self, why whould the competetor demand the name to be set back or disband the company.
Stop winging goon's and deal with it.
BoB is Reloaded deal with it!
Can anyone else do it?
I really dont understand why people can't see that the foundation of the game is fair play. Goons' original metagaming to steal the bob name may have been stupid and against CCP's intent, but ANYONE could do it to ANYONE. it's dumb, but FAIR.
This 'correction', if that's how CCP wants to paint it, isn't fair. It's favoritism and it's a big deal. What other bonuses do they get that we can't see so publicly? CCP has spent years developing the CSM and trying to rebrand themselves as a transparent company that values fairness. This is undoing a lot of their effort and it illuminates how stupid the CSM really is. ___________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more. |
Heinz Rand
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:06:00 -
[554]
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Talosen
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:06:00 -
[555]
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:07:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Vuk Lau Waiting for initial response from CCP before raising the issue for next CSM meeting.
vuk baby vukky babe vuuuky baby JT just called me again and sang the sweetest melody i wrote the lyrics down in marker pen on my arm coz i have no toilet paper.
he said "cry me a river" dont know what he meant,
maybe that means something to you /me shrugs
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madd0g11
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:07:00 -
[557]
This Band of Brothers Reloaded is too close to the Band of Brothers corp. They should not have had their name changed. Why don't Neo, Trinity, and Morpheus turn back into cartoons.
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Gaeid Modiso
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:07:00 -
[558]
supported
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dedri
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:07:00 -
[559]
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:08:00 -
[560]
INB4 INCOMING CCP THREAD "LOCK" (delete). _____
CCP, your nepotism is showing. |
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Juan Rayo
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:08:00 -
[561]
one game, one rule Endurecete cabr=n! |
Elarian
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:09:00 -
[562]
Edited by: Elarian on 24/03/2009 01:08:57
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Aura Mega
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:09:00 -
[563]
Again CCP picks favorites. CCP u deserve every bit of the petition spam
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Ralicx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:11:00 -
[564]
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Kubla Kain
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:12:00 -
[565]
Agree with this post.....One rule for all must be kept
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Jainia Soltella
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:12:00 -
[566]
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Zethura
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:12:00 -
[567]
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:14:00 -
[568]
Originally by: Kubla Kain Agree with this post.....One rule for all must be kept
are youz a madz
onez rule for youz and another for the zeez's
big up the zeez's
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Drewbo
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:15:00 -
[569]
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Lila Penney
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:15:00 -
[570]
I don't expect anything different from CCP, they've always had a problem with an inability to act fairly when it comes to BoB.
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Moostang
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:15:00 -
[571]
Originally by: Aglaea I wouldn't be so hasty to label it "developer misconduct" as we don't know what happened yet. It could have been a GM.
I am, however, supporting this. I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else. Thanks.
I agree and support this.
Moostang Co-CEO Darkstar 1 Goonswarm
Priceless Necro Thread |
Caplan T
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:15:00 -
[572]
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Falcation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:16:00 -
[573]
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Agent Adair
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:16:00 -
[574]
Forgive my wild ignorance on the subject but didn't BOB die out not too long ago?
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CPAS
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:16:00 -
[575]
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Lothar Krellum
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:16:00 -
[576]
Dear CCP. To be honest i think you should just rename the Alliance "Band Of Dev's" instead. You have always denied that you favour BOBR/KenZoku/BOB over other alliances. What are we all supposed to think now?
In Memory of Ayrton Senna Da Silva 29th March 1960 - 1st May 1994 "Simply the best" |
Vendura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:17:00 -
[577]
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Billericay Dickey
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:17:00 -
[578]
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Cedori
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:17:00 -
[579]
This post represents the views of me, myself, and I. Nothing said should be attributed to my corp or alliance, otherwise I might be whipped with a strand of wet-spaghetti! |
Stopgap
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:17:00 -
[580]
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:17:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Agent Adair Forgive my wild ignorance on the subject but didn't BOB die out not too long ago?
no we are re-loaded, like back to the future2 or ghostbusters 2 or other sequels that were really cool, honest
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Hayleine
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:18:00 -
[582]
Originally by: Recon Three INB4 INCOMING CCP THREAD "LOCK" (delete).
"we're sorry, our server side logs show no evidence of an Alliance renaming, or a petition thread, therefore we can take no action on your request"
Qui custodiet et ipsos custodes? |
Yasua
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:18:00 -
[583]
Originally by: elohllird
Originally by: Agent Adair Forgive my wild ignorance on the subject but didn't BOB die out not too long ago?
no we are re-loaded, like back to the future2 or ghostbusters 2 or other sequels that were really cool, honest
M... M... M... Morpheus?
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Hayashi
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:18:00 -
[584]
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Manny Calaveira
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:19:00 -
[585]
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Bullitnutz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:20:00 -
[586]
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:21:00 -
[587]
Originally by: Lothar Krellum Dear CCP. To be honest i think you should just rename the Alliance "Band Of Dev's" instead. You have always denied that you favour BOBR/KenZoku/BOB over other alliances. What are we all supposed to think now?
lothar but arent more devs in goons according to ccp? correct me if im wrong, so i can imagine work tomorrow with the goon devs camping the bob devs desks and flicking elastic bands in there faces, And then blocking them into the carpark so they cant leave work
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industrial freak
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:21:00 -
[588]
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Retsil Evad
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:21:00 -
[589]
Absosmegginglutely
============== Office use ONLY ==============
BRING BACK EVE TV!!!!!!! |
elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:22:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Bullitnutz
thats a mighty fine beaver sir
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AxeI Rose
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:22:00 -
[591]
Wow this is a pathetic and lame...
What you goin to do next name Jita to Jita Reloaded.
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Migitis
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:23:00 -
[592]
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Harry Craig2
Abrakadabra. Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:24:00 -
[593]
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Shodai
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:24:00 -
[594]
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Xavieer Naidoo
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:25:00 -
[595]
+1
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Danyael Tyren
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:25:00 -
[596]
Yeah, this is pretty clear cut. ------ NAPs - Russian term :means we wonĈt kill you today, maybe, but thatĈs all that means unless you help and contribute to coalition or being useful to us there is no obligation for us to keep tha |
Magicxtr
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:25:00 -
[597]
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Warn1nG Soul
Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:25:00 -
[598]
Disband CCP...and bob too.
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Lysander Kaldenn
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:26:00 -
[599]
I call Bull****.
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Primal Bacon
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:26:00 -
[600]
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Inspirat
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:26:00 -
[601]
More BoB/Kenny/Beaver favoritism? Yay!
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Morning Mist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:27:00 -
[602]
Originally by: elohllird lothar but arent more devs in goons according to ccp? correct me if im wrong,
See the difference is, we don't suck our devs off to get favors.
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Carsidava
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 -
[603]
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Warn1nG Soul
Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 -
[604]
bob rip.
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Jack Moriarty
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 -
[605]
Voted. |
Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:29:00 -
[606]
how do i vote?
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VENOM2k99
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:30:00 -
[607]
Voted
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eFart
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:30:00 -
[608]
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Swedish Bob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 -
[609]
Batphone strikes again.
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Jufer
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 -
[610]
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GashaSerb
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 -
[611]
...
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Darth Kasbian
Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 -
[612]
CCP has been added to my weak as **** list sorry had to be said after i lost all respect
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Mathius Prin
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:31:00 -
[613]
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:32:00 -
[614]
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elohllird
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:33:00 -
[615]
Originally by: Morning Mist
Originally by: elohllird lothar but arent more devs in goons according to ccp? correct me if im wrong,
See the difference is, we don't suck our devs off to get favors.
mate tbh with you they need to clarify the rules, and if i was in your position and sitting down the pub with you sipping a cold one i'd probably agree and have a laugh. But its the.. whiney omg whine omg whine that is funny thats why i love being a WUM
btw pics or stfu
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Rilcon
Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:33:00 -
[616]
They also have the only alliance ticker with a lower case letter. No other alliance can do that via normal game mechanics. Of course, normal game mechanics don't seem to be a concern for some players.
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Ghuarran
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 -
[617]
----------------------------------------------- Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. --Sir Winston Churchill |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 -
[618]
Oh please, get a life. Although I think BoB should pay CCP 1billion isk, this is not game breaking. It was because of you jerks that they had to do this in the first place. Get over it.
CCP did it, it is THEIR game. NOT YOURS.
--Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
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Da Maddness
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 -
[619]
In follow up from my support which is lost in this thread somewhere I must say this saddens me greatly. I have many a friend interested in MMOs and I would love to be able to show them the joys of Eve but time and time again I get told "But if the Devs favour a specific group, whats the point?" They rightly ask.
My reply is that it's rare and should never happen again. Sadly you have proven me wrong.
You guy have made a work of art in Eve. You allow scams, you have a player diven economy and the pollitical landscape is decided by players. Now, there is no way I would say that the person who have made this great game should not enjoy it themselves, IMO thats just silly to suggest that. However it is obvious that some people in power have a vested interest in a specific group.
I love Eve but why allow people in your company to damage the reputation of such a great game? Why risk players over such a simple thing as a name change?
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Rook Fischer
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 -
[620]
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Critta
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 -
[621]
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headweapon
T.T.S.P Solutions
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 -
[622]
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 -
[623]
In the light of CCPs conduct in the past -
CCP needs to be interrogated over this The members of staff involved in the name change traced - and their actions audited The methods used by ex BOB to contact these members of staff identified (to assure correct channel were used)
As such im giving this my nominal support - although it is possible CCP acted in good faith
SKUNK
(o)
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VoiceInTheDesert
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:37:00 -
[624]
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:37:00 -
[625]
Oh and BTW: There is no rule that doesn't allow the renaming of an alliance. Show me the proof if there is this supposed rule.
--Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:37:00 -
[626]
Originally by: Khandara Seraphim
Originally by: Karezan While I can understand the concern with CCP potentially showing favoritism towards BoB (especially given past incidents here), I do think the whole alliance disbanding thing was somewhat of a mitigating factor. Still, if it's a serious issue to some people, I could see a demand for action (although right now it seems to be primarily BoB's enemies and alts posting).
What I don't understand is the demand to disband BoB. Even the original post quite clearly states that this would be a case of developer misconduct, and the solution to this is to...take it out on players? How does that deal with developer misconduct? If you were calling out the person who approved this, and whether that was an unbiased decision, sure, but asking for BoB 2.0 to be disbanded is just silly, and to me screams of ulterior motives.
If you lose a ship due to a known and confirmed in game bug, and petition it, should the GM simply destroy all ships you own if he feels this wasn't a bug after all?
This basically screams like another forum attention stunt by the Goons & co.
The point isnt to delete the alliance to be punitive, but rather that Kenzoku would have had to disband itself and pay the fees / lose sov to reform. Disbanding bob reloaded merely mitigates the damage done.
Sure, it isn't a big deal but its fair
Two things.
First of all, I understand that BoB would normally need to pay the 1b and lose all sov to do this, which is the reason for this outcry (well that's debatable, but that's the front used at the very least). They probably asked to have the name changed, most likely expecting nothing to happen, but it did. Why is this something BoB should be punished for? I don't understand why you would punish the person requesting this, in the same way I wouldn't understand punishing someone requesting a new ship because a bug caused them to lose their original ship.
The fault quite clearly lies with CCP, for allowing something they perhaps shouldn't have. The fault does not lie with BoB for asking if this is something CCP will consider. Imagine you're still young and living with your parents, if you asked them if you could stay out late for one night, instead you get grounded for even asking if you could stay late, wouldn't you find that to be pretty unfair? To me this is the same kind of story, they asked, there's nothing wrong with asking this, it is a fairly reasonable request given the circumstances. One that maybe should not have been granted, but certainly not outrageous to ask. They did not force CCP to make this decision, nobody held a gun to their head (to my knowledge :P).
Secondly, I'm not sure how massive of a rule violation this really is. I understand rules need to be followed, and I'm pretty strict on that personally, I cannot stand hypocrisy or dual standards for those things. However, I also have to acknowledge that it's impossible to write a rule to deal with every possible situation. I doubt that when they decided that no alliance shall be renamed unless it violates the naming policy, they considered a highly unlikely situation of a disband like this, with the name being claimed by another alliance, and everything that lead up to this whole ordeal. If there is no precedent for them denying previous alliances to which this happened (I honestly don't know if there's not), then I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to decide that this should be an exception to the rules, because of the circumstances (which are, quite frankly, far from ordinary or common).
Of course the most obvious flaw there is that other alliances might "fake" a disband like this just to get a name of their choosing (although BoB did, at one point, pay for KenZoKu, and they did lose all their sov not too long ago). My point is simply that this is an extraordinary situation, and that the rules probably weren't written with a situation like this in mind.
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Battle Tested
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:38:00 -
[627]
Why does CCP continuously go above and beyond for BoB? This is outside of the boundaries for which CCP has even stated they would/wouldn't intervene....Just more proof of who gets the preferencial treatment from the developers/CSM's.....And to think that we actually pay to play. |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:39:00 -
[628]
Originally by: Le Skunk In the light of CCPs conduct in the past -
CCP needs to be interrogated over this The members of staff involved in the name change traced - and their actions audited The methods used by ex BOB to contact these members of staff identified (to assure correct channel were used)
As such im giving this my nominal support - although it is possible CCP acted in good faith
SKUNK
Freak out much? This is ridiculous. Its an internet spaceship game. Not real life. Get over yourself.
--Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
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Kalie Erry
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:39:00 -
[629]
Edited by: Kalie Erry on 24/03/2009 01:40:51 -Alliance name > character limit -sov maintained -BoB was disbanded because the executor corp was setup to allow it
CCP should: revert name / disband / remove sov & charge 1B ISK, and reprimand whichever employees decided this was a good idea.
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Snowden Vel
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:41:00 -
[630]
A bit of transparency here would be welcome.
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Master Arrow
Trinity Capital Endeavors Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:41:00 -
[631]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Oh please, get a life. Although I think BoB should pay CCP 1billion isk, this is not game breaking. It was because of you jerks that they had to do this in the first place. Get over it.
CCP did it, it is THEIR game. NOT YOURS.
--Isaac
You dont know what you are talking about, they lost their alliance due to espionage...which has been a favored tactic by BoB themselves. And everything they have done to other alliances has been "outside of CCP's involvement and within the rules" but yet it gets done to them and all is reversed...That's BS!! |
Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:42:00 -
[632]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Oh and BTW: There is no rule that doesn't allow the renaming of an alliance. Show me the proof if there is this supposed rule.
--Isaac
Look how dumb you are~
Quote:
a. If a name is deemed inappropriate, GMĈs may be able to change the characterĈs name in some circumstances. This is solely at the discretion of CCP and/or its representatives based on, but not limited to, account and player history and the severity of the violation. There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason.
Source
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gnshadowninja
Caldari Baptism oF Fire Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:42:00 -
[633]
Check SirMolle ingame, its been renamed back to kenny.
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Lilem Aredeis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:43:00 -
[634]
Edited by: Lilem Aredeis on 24/03/2009 01:43:39
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Oh and BTW: There is no rule that doesn't allow the renaming of an alliance. Show me the proof if there is this supposed rule.
--Isaac
There isn't, but to rename your alliance you have to disband it and start a new one. Therefore you must pay the fees and lose sov over whatever systems you have, something BoB didn't have to do.
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Zeturi
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:45:00 -
[635]
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:45:00 -
[636]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/03/2009 01:47:11
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Originally by: Le Skunk In the light of CCPs conduct in the past -
CCP needs to be interrogated over this The members of staff involved in the name change traced - and their actions audited The methods used by ex BOB to contact these members of staff identified (to assure correct channel were used)
As such im giving this my nominal support - although it is possible CCP acted in good faith
SKUNK
Freak out much? This is ridiculous. Its an internet spaceship game. Not real life. Get over yourself.
--Isaac
Thank you for your comments.
I refer you to the quote from the new york times - from Hilmar Peterson - CCP Chief executive
Quote:
ôI envision this council being made up of nine members selected by the players themselves, where you announce your candidacy, and if you win the election, they come here to Iceland, and they can look at every nook and cranny and get to see that we are here to run this company on a professional basis,ö said Mr. Petursson, CCPĈs chief executive. ôThey can see that we did not make this game to win it.ö
It is indeed internet spaceships, but its internet spaceships with a player council originally designed to deal with CCP corruption. Indeed, a member of staff is employed by CCP solely to ensure this is the case.
The OP has suggested the decisions made were not professional - and he has a great deal of support. As such I believe my post and support for the OP was in order.
SKUNK (o)
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Master Arrow
Trinity Capital Endeavors Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:47:00 -
[637]
Originally by: Da Maddness In follow up from my support which is lost in this thread somewhere I must say this saddens me greatly. I have many a friend interested in MMOs and I would love to be able to show them the joys of Eve but time and time again I get told "But if the Devs favour a specific group, whats the point?" They rightly ask.
My reply is that it's rare and should never happen again. Sadly you have proven me wrong.
You guy have made a work of art in Eve. You allow scams, you have a player diven economy and the pollitical landscape is decided by players. Now, there is no way I would say that the person who have made this great game should not enjoy it themselves, IMO thats just silly to suggest that. However it is obvious that some people in power have a vested interest in a specific group.
I love Eve but why allow people in your company to damage the reputation of such a great game? Why risk players over such a simple thing as a name change?
This is an excellent post...I wonder if all those gaming magazines and credited critics that gave great reviews would still consider this the high profile player driven game that they think it is, if they knew that CCP gives preferencial treatment to a specific alliance and has done so many times. CCP why dont you consider the game to move along the way it should move by letting BoB deal with the same crap they have dealt out and not giving them the upper hand by having you to fall back on? |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Golden Cross Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:49:00 -
[638]
Originally by: Lilem Aredeis Edited by: Lilem Aredeis on 24/03/2009 01:43:39
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Oh and BTW: There is no rule that doesn't allow the renaming of an alliance. Show me the proof if there is this supposed rule.
--Isaac
There isn't, but to rename your alliance you have to disband it and start a new one. Therefore you must pay the fees and lose sov over whatever systems you have, something BoB didn't have to do.
I seriously wonder if anyone besides BoB has asked CCP to change their alliance name....
Makes you wonder.
--Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
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Zyanya Chor'gall
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:50:00 -
[639]
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CaptainSensible
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:51:00 -
[640]
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Eg0n
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:51:00 -
[641]
CCP really needs to stop this favoritism. Despite their lack of transparency, it is obvious that the devs at the very least bend -- if not break -- the rules whenever they think they can get away with it.
The whole mention of the "bat phone" in the leaked IRC chats posted after BoB was disbanded pretty much solidifies the accusation of dev assistance to Bob... (Not that more evidence was really needed from past blunders.)
This latest act by CCP puts another bad mark on a wonderful game. I haven't read the article yet about Eve being one of the top 5 most important MMOs... but I hope it is amended to show how dev collusion with the player base is rampant in the game and should be unacceptable in this environment.
To clear this up, CCP needs to correct the mistake (ie. disband BoBR) and let them create a new alliance under the proper terms. They also need to discipline the employees responsible for basically giving the finger to the rest of the player base. I suggest locking them in a room stuck listening to Bjork's full catalog and see who eats who first. Those left alive will then be forced to play WoW.
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SFShootme
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:51:00 -
[642]
/cutwrists?
(ingame offc)
[VIDEO] Paroxysm
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Treylis
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:52:00 -
[643]
Originally by: Isaac Starstriker I seriously wonder if anyone besides BoB has asked CCP to change their alliance name....
Makes you wonder.
--Isaac
Stain Allaince-
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Flaming Lemming
Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:53:00 -
[644]
Originally by: Aglaea I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else. Thanks.
I don't care if it's Kenzoku, BoB, Goons, CVA, RA or even the MGRL, one set of rules should apply to EVERYBODY.
Another example of apparent favoritism....remember this:
Looks like the 'special' line still exists.
I feel a full investigation by IA is required for this matter.
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:54:00 -
[645]
There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason.
remember this You have violated your own term and conditions.
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Kashbrok
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:54:00 -
[646]
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Johli
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:55:00 -
[647]
CCP can disband every alliance in EVE, make BoB the sole ruler of 0.0, and they will still deny favoritism.
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fishblades
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:56:00 -
[648]
The only thing more dumb then CCP allowing this is all the idiots defending BoB for getting special treatment yet again. Delve is ours already so none of this really matters. However if they had to follow the rules like everyone else; do you really think they would have closed the alliance to rename it while dropping sov in the last systems they have, yea right... you're a moron.
CCP needs to explain why only BoB is allowed to circumvent loss of sov due to a name change.
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Captin Lawdogg
The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 01:59:00 -
[649]
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Mar'jun
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:03:00 -
[650]
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Shinma Apollo
Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:03:00 -
[651]
please apply your own rules ccp.
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:04:00 -
[652]
I fully support CCP undoing any mistake that shows favoritism, and failure to uphold their own rules. However, the OP is suggesting that an alliance be disbanded because of a mistake on CCP's part. This is unnecessary, heavy handed and malicious in nature. /unsigned. I will gladly /sign a thread which seeks to undo the name change, and which seeks to have internal affairs thoroughly investigate the matter.
Seriously folks, think rationally. Don't let emotions and biases cloud your judgement.
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Hubris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:06:00 -
[653]
quick someone check ingame, after clearing cache, its a rumor that .BOB. is still there but it has been changed back to kenny only ingame so far. -
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Elpoc
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:06:00 -
[654]
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Cpt Underpants
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:07:00 -
[655]
Violating its own policies, CCP has slapped the faces of all but a tiny minority of active subscribers with this action.
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Drakoulia
The Night Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:09:00 -
[656]
---
Originally by: The Mittani Don't touch that! Don't open the refrigerator! The spy is in the refrigerator!
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Ellen Geiger
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:10:00 -
[657]
/signed
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Samuel Grindhoof
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:10:00 -
[658]
Edited by: Samuel Grindhoof on 24/03/2009 02:12:19 it seems to be kenny again. ticker name shows still .BoB. but if you (or bett i) serach just one of them....nothing. not .BoB. neihter kenny.
Remember, remember the 5th of November..... |
Tyffanny
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:11:00 -
[659]
Disband now!
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Sertan Deras
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:12:00 -
[660]
Originally by: Taedrin I fully support CCP undoing any mistake that shows favoritism, and failure to uphold their own rules. However, the OP is suggesting that an alliance be disbanded because of a mistake on CCP's part. This is unnecessary, heavy handed and malicious in nature. /unsigned. I will gladly /sign a thread which seeks to undo the name change, and which seeks to have internal affairs thoroughly investigate the matter.
Seriously folks, think rationally. Don't let emotions and biases cloud your judgement.
A mistake is letting an employee give an alliance a bunch of T2 BPO's and not catching it until the community goes ballistic. We are a bit beyond mistake at this point, and in to obvious collusion territory.
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cyanogen
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:12:00 -
[661]
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Ameri Boi
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:14:00 -
[662]
pew pew boom boom FLASH splat. |
ToTheCore
Angels. Acid.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:14:00 -
[663]
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Alexi Borizkova
New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:16:00 -
[664]
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Tessle Aesis
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:18:00 -
[665]
disband BOBR
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Shammyra
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:20:00 -
[666]
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MrTiddles
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:23:00 -
[667]
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Ninkasi Stone
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:25:00 -
[668]
Edited by: Ninkasi Stone on 24/03/2009 02:25:04 + fsck'n + Visigoth |
Slapdash McGinty
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:25:00 -
[669]
Signed, thanks for ****ing in our faces yet again CCP |
bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:25:00 -
[670]
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Rumours
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:27:00 -
[671]
What happened to the new era of accountability CCP?
What a joke |
Mealtrom
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:28:00 -
[672]
You've got it all wrong people. CCP is doing name changes now, I'm petitioning for mine immediately! Join the party!
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Da Wumpls
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:29:00 -
[673]
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Possesive
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:29:00 -
[674]
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:35:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Sertan Deras
Originally by: Taedrin I fully support CCP undoing any mistake that shows favoritism, and failure to uphold their own rules. However, the OP is suggesting that an alliance be disbanded because of a mistake on CCP's part. This is unnecessary, heavy handed and malicious in nature. /unsigned. I will gladly /sign a thread which seeks to undo the name change, and which seeks to have internal affairs thoroughly investigate the matter.
Seriously folks, think rationally. Don't let emotions and biases cloud your judgement.
A mistake is letting an employee give an alliance a bunch of T2 BPO's and not catching it until the community goes ballistic. We are a bit beyond mistake at this point, and in to obvious collusion territory.
If they currently have the ability to make CCP break the rules in their favor, as you seem to suggest, why in the world wouldn't they have used this very same ability to have BoB and sov 3 restored a month ago? |
Fragments
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:35:00 -
[676]
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DeBleu14
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:37:00 -
[677]
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Sanis Jalthar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:40:00 -
[678]
Want more people to play? A good starting point would be to stop giving BoB out of game help. First the blueprints and now this. COME ON! People aren't paying for CCP to give free bonuses to another alliance. Either stop doing it or make the game free, because it's not fair to the other players.
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Bernhard Strauss
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:40:00 -
[679]
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IronGoldenEagle
Orchestrated Violence
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:41:00 -
[680]
/signed
You make me want to quit CCP
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Gebher'el
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:41:00 -
[681]
CCP we need some kind of official statement here. For the second time that has been recorded the alliance formerly known as the Band of Brothers has recieved treatment that is outside the precidents of the game. This is beginning to look very bad and brings into question the credability of the company to keep it's employees from bring any kind of special treatment to where they want to play.
While I do not support the disbanding of the alliance I do feel that the alliance should be put back to it's old name. Additionally it is time this matter has a swift and proper justice with devs that participated in this special treatment either being banned from the game or outright fired from the company.
CCP you have promised up that the past was examined and now everything is above board, it is time to back up your previous position.
Rejoice not against me, O mine enemy: when I fall, I shall arise; when I sit in darkness, God will be a light unto me. |
ToTheCore
Angels. Acid.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:43:00 -
[682]
Originally by: Karezan
Originally by: Sertan Deras
Originally by: Taedrin I fully support CCP undoing any mistake that shows favoritism, and failure to uphold their own rules. However, the OP is suggesting that an alliance be disbanded because of a mistake on CCP's part. This is unnecessary, heavy handed and malicious in nature. /unsigned. I will gladly /sign a thread which seeks to undo the name change, and which seeks to have internal affairs thoroughly investigate the matter.
Seriously folks, think rationally. Don't let emotions and biases cloud your judgement.
A mistake is letting an employee give an alliance a bunch of T2 BPO's and not catching it until the community goes ballistic. We are a bit beyond mistake at this point, and in to obvious collusion territory.
If they currently have the ability to make CCP break the rules in their favor, as you seem to suggest, why in the world wouldn't they have used this very same ability to have BoB and sov 3 restored a month ago?
Because that would've caused even more of a ****storm than T20 and any other noteworthy event in EVE history combined? ---
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Adamantium Beams
Section XIII
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:45:00 -
[683]
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Found Dragon
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:46:00 -
[684]
Yeah this CCP / BoB Nepotism has to end. EVEry time you do something this stupid, favoring the most hated alliance in EVE, you make me want to play less. |
Watauga
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:48:00 -
[685]
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:48:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Sertan Deras
Originally by: Taedrin I fully support CCP undoing any mistake that shows favoritism, and failure to uphold their own rules. However, the OP is suggesting that an alliance be disbanded because of a mistake on CCP's part. This is unnecessary, heavy handed and malicious in nature. /unsigned. I will gladly /sign a thread which seeks to undo the name change, and which seeks to have internal affairs thoroughly investigate the matter.
Seriously folks, think rationally. Don't let emotions and biases cloud your judgement.
A mistake is letting an employee give an alliance a bunch of T2 BPO's and not catching it until the community goes ballistic. We are a bit beyond mistake at this point, and in to obvious collusion territory.
How so? Mistakes can be made more than once can they not? The only reason why people want BoB 2.0 disbanded is because they have stereotyped the entire alliance as cheaters, and automatically assume that BoB cheated to get this done. People are jumping to conclusions here. The only appropriate actions at this time are to get internal affairs to investigate, and to undo the name change.
If Internal Affairs uncovers player misconduct, then the players responsible for said misconduct should be appropriately punished. If they discover that this is the result of GM misconduct, then the GM responsible should be punished. Asking an entire alliance to be disbanded because of a single player's crimes is irresponsible and unethical. Just like it would be unethical for CCP to disband goonswarm because of a single player's misconduct.
The only time where it would be ethical for CCP to forcibly disband an alliance would be if they could show that the alliance as a whole was guilty of misconduct.
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:48:00 -
[687]
Originally by: ToTheCore
Originally by: Karezan
Originally by: Sertan Deras
Originally by: Taedrin I fully support CCP undoing any mistake that shows favoritism, and failure to uphold their own rules. However, the OP is suggesting that an alliance be disbanded because of a mistake on CCP's part. This is unnecessary, heavy handed and malicious in nature. /unsigned. I will gladly /sign a thread which seeks to undo the name change, and which seeks to have internal affairs thoroughly investigate the matter.
Seriously folks, think rationally. Don't let emotions and biases cloud your judgement.
A mistake is letting an employee give an alliance a bunch of T2 BPO's and not catching it until the community goes ballistic. We are a bit beyond mistake at this point, and in to obvious collusion territory.
If they currently have the ability to make CCP break the rules in their favor, as you seem to suggest, why in the world wouldn't they have used this very same ability to have BoB and sov 3 restored a month ago?
Because that would've caused even more of a ****storm than T20 and any other noteworthy event in EVE history combined?
Anything the goons disagree with causes a ****storm, nothing new there.
If they're BoB's pets as much as people like to portray, and put a spin on things just to accommodate BoB, all they'd have to say is the director account was hacked. In a situation like that reversing the damage done wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary, and the account hacked vs someone turned traitor is very much a he said she said thing, except one of the parties is supposedly unbiased and has all the information, while the other party is biased and basing it all on the word of a single person.
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Barsak Kressel
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:49:00 -
[688]
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SauI Tigh
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:50:00 -
[689]
I see two options here. Either ccp gives a free alliance name change to every alliance exactly the same way kenny got it, or the new kenny gets disbanded again losing all their sov. I think "Goonswarm 2 revenge of z0r" This is 26 characters and beyond the normal rules but if bob gets to go over the limit I think it would be fair to extend this courtesy to us as well.
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Ris Dnalor
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:51:00 -
[690]
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Semjaza
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:52:00 -
[691]
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Treylis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:53:00 -
[692]
Originally by: Taedrin How so? Mistakes can be made more than once can they not? The only reason why people want BoB 2.0 disbanded is because they have stereotyped the entire alliance as cheaters, and automatically assume that BoB cheated to get this done. People are jumping to conclusions here. The only appropriate actions at this time are to get internal affairs to investigate, and to undo the name change.
If they don't want to be "stereotyped" as cheaters then they SHOULD STOP CHEATING HUGALUGLGALGLUG
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Nikoyaka Sasori
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:53:00 -
[693]
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Giamilton
SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:54:00 -
[694]
Someone say support fleet?
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Antai Tenmou
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:54:00 -
[695]
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Marius Duvall
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:54:00 -
[696]
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Raven Death
DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:55:00 -
[697]
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Pnuka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:55:00 -
[698]
DBRB is horrible.
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Erel Kighas
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:55:00 -
[699]
Edited by: Erel Kighas on 24/03/2009 02:55:25
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Animated Corpse
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:55:00 -
[700]
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Ydal Edua
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:57:00 -
[701]
-- Need a ship, cheap? Check out my price-list. |
R0ot
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:57:00 -
[702]
guh
<11cflux> OTH, pandemic can only wield 40 dreads and 10 support. |
suicide
Caldari Synergy.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:57:00 -
[703]
Way to keep the playing field level CCP. Way to keep things fair and even and you know. A player run game is a player run game. Even my friends who never play EVE have heard ****ty things about the game because of the past Dev/GM/etc scandals. Let's not make it worse.
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:57:00 -
[704]
Originally by: SauI Tigh I see two options here. Either ccp gives a free alliance name change to every alliance exactly the same way kenny got it, or the new kenny gets disbanded again losing all their sov. I think "Goonswarm 2 revenge of z0r" This is 26 characters and beyond the normal rules but if bob gets to go over the limit I think it would be fair to extend this courtesy to us as well.
There is only one fair solution to your unfair post, deleting every single character on that account you posted with, and every account associated with it.
Why? Hell I don't know, because you deserve to be punished for something you didn't do, hold on I'll start the proposal.
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Excello
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:58:00 -
[705]
Originally by: Karina Bellac Edited by: Karina Bellac on 23/03/2009 22:32:20 "Band of Brothers Reloaded" is 25 characters long. As per the EVE Online Naming Policy
Quote:
2. CHARACTER NAMES
* a. Valid player character names:
o Must be at least 4 characters. o Cannot exceed 24 characters.
Quote:
4. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies.
This says it all. CCP bias being proved here without any issues.
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Antu Zababa
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:58:00 -
[706]
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Skydiver One
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:59:00 -
[707]
/signed.
I am so tired of CCP playing favorites. Especially to the same group over and over again.
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Talancir D'Landior
Battlestars
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Posted - 2009.03.24 02:59:00 -
[708]
death to beaver.
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Nick Curso
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:00:00 -
[709]
Edited by: Nick Curso on 24/03/2009 03:02:51 Wow 24 pages, keep on crying children. You stamp your feet enough the grown ups might listen honest.
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Lord Ranis
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:00:00 -
[710]
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suicide
Synergy.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:00:00 -
[711]
of course, one thumb up
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Lothar Krellum
Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:00:00 -
[712]
Originally by: elohllird
Originally by: Lothar Krellum Dear CCP. To be honest i think you should just rename the Alliance "Band Of Dev's" instead. You have always denied that you favour BOBR/KenZoku/BOB over other alliances. What are we all supposed to think now?
lothar but arent more devs in goons according to ccp? correct me if im wrong, so i can imagine work tomorrow with the goon devs camping the bob devs desks and flicking elastic bands in there faces, And then blocking them into the carpark so they cant leave work
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TBH youre reply does not suprise me dude. Pretty much sums up the mentality of youre alliance, And leader
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Robin Loxeley
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DarkRavin
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:01:00 -
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EyeEaty Fagina
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Edited by: EyeEaty ***ina on 24/03/2009 03:03:45 I agree.
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Talancir D'Landior
Battlestars
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Curso Wow 24 pages, keep on crying children
you'll join us once your alliance gets disbanded for being illegal.
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Ursla
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DREDD
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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MartianDevil
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:04:00 -
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Dissatisfaction
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Quake Abuse
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:07:00 -
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Excello
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:08:00 -
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A quote from EVE Eula regarding rules and policies. So i request a GM to comment.
3. VIOLATIONS
a. If a name is deemed inappropriate, GMĈs may be able to change the characterĈs name in some circumstances. This is solely at the discretion of CCP and/or its representatives based on, but not limited to, account and player history and the severity of the violation. There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason.
What i have bolded also includes Alliance names, Kenzoku is not an offensive or abusive name. So may i request why it was changed. This means that CCP have the right to change it, however it also means that they have to give a valid reason as to why it should be changed. Abusive or inappropriate names would be changed. In order to change your alliance name, You need to remake a new alliance, this decision to change there name has no grounds and it should be raised through CCP Internal Affairs as would request an investigation. I would also request that CSA would take up this issue when they conveen with CCP.
CSA speak for the player base of the eve community. So their word does count.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Curso Edited by: Nick Curso on 24/03/2009 03:02:51 Wow 24 pages, keep on crying children. You stamp your feet enough the grown ups might listen honest.
So the CSM is not a platform to discuss transparency and allegations of dev misconduct?
You heard if the from the .BOB. guy, might as well close this thread, he's already asked his buddies to ignore it.
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MichaelTee
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:09:00 -
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:10:00 -
[725]
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Excello
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:11:00 -
[726]
Originally by: Nick Curso Edited by: Nick Curso on 24/03/2009 03:02:51 Wow 24 pages, keep on crying children. You stamp your feet enough the grown ups might listen honest.
Sorry, why is your name the same as a x goon corp?
However if you were on the other side where CCP changed your name to an alliance which no longer exists and it is against EULA.
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Aiden Tyrik
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:11:00 -
[727]
Edited by: Aiden Tyrik on 24/03/2009 03:13:42 What really amazed me was that they not only showed preferential treatment by changing the name, but they allowed a 25 character name when the limit is 24 characters. They should be Band of Brothers Reloade
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Sunglasses InSpace
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:12:00 -
[728]
Blatant disregard for CCP's rules demands some kind of action
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Tirazel
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:12:00 -
[729]
CCP has tried to cover up the T20 incident for years now, so this is hardly a surprise.
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EliteSlave
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:13:00 -
[730]
Just wow....
I think this needs to be looked at, Sent a email to [email protected] about this. but this is pretty just wow and tearing open an old wound...
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CyberChick
SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: CyberChick on 24/03/2009 03:16:15 Edited by: CyberChick on 24/03/2009 03:16:00
Originally by: Taedrin How so? Mistakes can be made more than once can they not? The only reason why people want BoB 2.0 disbanded is because they have stereotyped the entire alliance as cheaters, and automatically assume that BoB cheated to get this done. People are jumping to conclusions here. The only appropriate actions at this time are to get internal affairs to investigate, and to undo the name change.
I have to wonder why the bob allies are rushing to defend them so quickly, have you not stopped to ask:
If my alliance wanted to change its name to more than 24 characters long or at all - why can't I?
Defenders of bobR are now starting to use the defence this must have been some sort of mistake: did someone type into a field in the database "Band of Brothers Reloaded" and pressed the ok button by accident?
Take a step back and realise that this isn't about bob directly, but you as a customer, shouldn't you as a non bob alliance player regardless of your alignment with them be entitled to the same set of rules and conduct everyone else. Simply standing up and saying their bob they did no wrong, if goons didn't disband the original alliance this wouldn't have happend doesn't change the fact that anyone that isn't in bob - the majority of the player base got screwed over, and it wasn't some simple accidental boo boo by a gm/dev etc
It may have been a name change to some, and again regardless of your affiliation with their alliance, you got screwed over and you should be angry about it.
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Meisje
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Futt Bucker
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:15:00 -
[733]
Either change it back, disband them and force them to create a new alliance with the name they want, or allow ALL alliances the ability to do the same, while exceeding the maximum character limit even.
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angeleyess
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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ProHulaDancer
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:16:00 -
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Heinz Rand
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Karezan
If they're BoB's pets as much as people like to portray, and put a spin on things just to accommodate BoB, all they'd have to say is the director account was hacked. In a situation like that reversing the damage done wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary, and the account hacked vs someone turned traitor is very much a he said she said thing, except one of the parties is supposedly unbiased and has all the information, while the other party is biased and basing it all on the word of a single person.
Except in that case, the person known as Haargoth would say "I did it" and that would really screw up any argument about hacking....hth
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:18:00 -
[737]
4realz
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Astral Water
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:19:00 -
[738]
Wee taaah dead.
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Helgur
The State
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deathlust
Flancrest Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:22:00 -
[740]
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Heinz Rand
Originally by: Karezan
If they're BoB's pets as much as people like to portray, and put a spin on things just to accommodate BoB, all they'd have to say is the director account was hacked. In a situation like that reversing the damage done wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary, and the account hacked vs someone turned traitor is very much a he said she said thing, except one of the parties is supposedly unbiased and has all the information, while the other party is biased and basing it all on the word of a single person.
Except in that case, the person known as Haargoth would say "I did it" and that would really screw up any argument about hacking....hth
Why? The person who hacked the account says it isn't a hacked account but the real player doing it, shocker! No matter what you do, you have no way to prove this is really your account and it wasn't hacked or anything of that nature. The people with the most information in that regard are CCP, which also happens to be the unbiased source (or supposed to be).
Would this be a cluster**** to cover up? Well yeah, definitely. But so is giving T2 BPO's to people and hiding it for so long. If this kind of favoritism is supposed to still exist, then this kind of cover-up isn't all that crazy. :P
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CyberChick
SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Futt Bucker Either change it back, disband them and force them to create a new alliance with the name they want, or allow ALL alliances the ability to do the same, while exceeding the maximum character limit even.
I hope they never allow that, I can see it in a few months time, kenny/bob will rewrite their version of history and claim now that it can be done they did no wrong, and the issue will get pushed aside as they do with every t20 reference, with the rules left as they are they should never be allowed to get away with this.
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: CyberChick Edited by: CyberChick on 24/03/2009 03:16:00 I have to wonder why the bob allies are rushing to defend them so quickly, have you not stopped to ask:
If my alliance wanted to change its name to more than 24 characters long or at all - why can't I?
Defenders of bobR are now starting to use the defence this must have been some sort of mistake: did someone type into a field in the database "Band of Brothers Reloaded" and pressed the ok button by accident?
Take a step back and realise that this isn't about bob directly, but you as a customer, shouldn't you as a non bob alliance player regardless of your alignment with them be entitled to the same set of rules and conduct everyone else. Simply standing up and saying their bob they did no wrong, if goons didn't disband the original alliance this wouldn't have happend doesn't change the fact that anyone that isn't in bob - the majority of the player base got screwed over, and it wasn't some simple accidental boo boo by a gm/dev etc
It may have been a name change to some, and again regardless of your affiliation with their alliance, you got screwed over and you should be angry about it.
This has nothing to do with GOons disbanding BoB. And I apologize if I come across as suggesting that the name change itself was an accident on someone's part. I am simply saying that it was a mistake on CCP's part to allow the name change to happen, and a mistake to not have proper internal controls to prevent this sort of thing from happening.
Just because a single GM was guilty of misconduct, does not mean that all of CCP, and all of BoB is guilty of the same misconduct. If the crimes of a single person fell upon the alliance that person was a part of, then goonswarm would have had to be disbanded a LOOONNNNGG time ago, as I am more than certain that Goonswarm has it's fair share of macrominers, RMT'ers, etc etc...
Another thing that I should clear up is that I am NOT trying to defend BoB/Kenny. While it is true that I have no love for goons, I never liked the way BoB presented itself to me when I was but a fledgling noob back in yon days of the pendulum wars. I was rooting for ASCN back then, and I was always rather resentful that BoB had crushed them.
I am also not saying that BoB should not be punished if they did in fact cheat as a whole. I am saying that CCP should reserve judgement until AFTER internal affairs investigates the situation. The LAST thing they should do is start throwing bans around without proof that the bans are warranted.
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:27:00 -
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Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
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KalamMek
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:29:00 -
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Quote: How so? Mistakes can be made more than once can they not? The only reason why people want BoB 2.0 disbanded is because they have stereotyped the entire alliance as cheaters, and automatically assume that BoB cheated to get this done. People are jumping to conclusions here. The only appropriate actions at this time are to get internal affairs to investigate, and to undo the name change.
Step back for a second, ignore any of the politics involved between goons and ex-bob. Okay?
So an alliance wants to rename itself. The steps involved and that have been used to this date are disbanding the alliance (mostly just the name) and reforming under a new one. They give up sov claims (even if it's just six) in this time until their new alliance is formed. This has been the case throughout Eve.
Back to names. Kenzoku obviously wanted a new name, so they should have disbanded and reformed under their new moniker (although I'm not sure they would be allowed to have an alliance name so close to a non-affiliated corp's name, but that's off a slight tangent.)
For whatever reason, Kenzoku were allowed to bypass the established process of changing an alliance name, including circumventing ALL of the negatives associated with such an act. Now 1bn isn't much isk of course, even if you don't own R64's anymore, however being allowed to maintain Sov is a pretty large bonus that no other alliance changing names has been allowed to have.
And of course this will reek of bias given my alliance ticker, but how is disbanding their alliance such a drastic thing when they obviously really wanted this new name (which they said they didn't want before =p) so I would expect they would be willing to pay the appropriate penalties associated with changing the name.
Unless they were ONLY willing to change Kenzoku to BoBr if they could avoid the penalties, in which case it is hard to sympathize with them regardless v0v
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Temari Kurita
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:29:00 -
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Wow, one group of players getting favourable treatment from the GMs/Developers over the rest of the playerbase? That surely wouldn't happen in the "NEW" CCP with their Internal Affairs department that was created as a response to this kind of favouritism causing a huge scandal previously *cough*t20*cough*..
Oh hai, it's the SAME group getting the favouritism.
Something rotten in the state of Finland* (and it's not the rotten shark that they claim is a delicacy either).
*Apologies to Shakespeare.
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Pnuka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Originally by: CyberChick Edited by: CyberChick on 24/03/2009 03:16:15 Edited by: CyberChick on 24/03/2009 03:16:00
Originally by: Taedrin How so? Mistakes can be made more than once can they not? The only reason why people want BoB 2.0 disbanded is because they have stereotyped the entire alliance as cheaters, and automatically assume that BoB cheated to get this done. People are jumping to conclusions here. The only appropriate actions at this time are to get internal affairs to investigate, and to undo the name change.
I have to wonder why the bob allies are rushing to defend them so quickly, have you not stopped to ask:
If my alliance wanted to change its name to more than 24 characters long or at all - why can't I?
Defenders of bobR are now starting to use the defence this must have been some sort of mistake: did someone type into a field in the database "Band of Brothers Reloaded" and pressed the ok button by accident?
Take a step back and realise that this isn't about bob directly, but you as a customer, shouldn't you as a non bob alliance player regardless of your alignment with them be entitled to the same set of rules and conduct everyone else. Simply standing up and saying their bob they did no wrong, if goons didn't disband the original alliance this wouldn't have happend doesn't change the fact that anyone that isn't in bob - the majority of the player base got screwed over, and it wasn't some simple accidental boo boo by a gm/dev etc
It may have been a name change to some, and again regardless of your affiliation with their alliance, you got screwed over and you should be angry about it.
You are talking to a brick wall, it's the same people that the free bpo's didn't make that much isk anyway, cyno dd's were easy to dodge, titans were easy to kill, sov4 is easy to break. Then they are suprised and outraged when they are wrong, and the cycle repeats itself.
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Isek
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Edited by: Isek on 24/03/2009 03:35:42
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Lando Dashut
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:35:00 -
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Gorfob
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Temari Kurita Something rotten in the state of Finland* (and it's not the rotten shark that they claim is a delicacy either). *Apologies to Shakespeare.
Iceland.
:cripes:
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Jonathan Xavier
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:36:00 -
[752]
Originally by: Pnuka
Originally by: CyberChick Edited by: CyberChick on 24/03/2009 03:16:15 Edited by: CyberChick on 24/03/2009 03:16:00
Originally by: Taedrin How so? Mistakes can be made more than once can they not? The only reason why people want BoB 2.0 disbanded is because they have stereotyped the entire alliance as cheaters, and automatically assume that BoB cheated to get this done. People are jumping to conclusions here. The only appropriate actions at this time are to get internal affairs to investigate, and to undo the name change.
I have to wonder why the bob allies are rushing to defend them so quickly, have you not stopped to ask:
If my alliance wanted to change its name to more than 24 characters long or at all - why can't I?
Defenders of bobR are now starting to use the defence this must have been some sort of mistake: did someone type into a field in the database "Band of Brothers Reloaded" and pressed the ok button by accident?
Take a step back and realise that this isn't about bob directly, but you as a customer, shouldn't you as a non bob alliance player regardless of your alignment with them be entitled to the same set of rules and conduct everyone else. Simply standing up and saying their bob they did no wrong, if goons didn't disband the original alliance this wouldn't have happend doesn't change the fact that anyone that isn't in bob - the majority of the player base got screwed over, and it wasn't some simple accidental boo boo by a gm/dev etc
It may have been a name change to some, and again regardless of your affiliation with their alliance, you got screwed over and you should be angry about it.
You are talking to a brick wall, it's the same people that the free bpo's didn't make that much isk anyway, cyno dd's were easy to dodge, titans were easy to kill, sov4 is easy to break. Then they are suprised and outraged when they are wrong, and the cycle repeats itself.
If the request was to simply re-name BoB back, you'd probably see less resistance. Of course that's not as dramatic. :P
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Platinum Sapphire
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Platinum Sapphire on 24/03/2009 03:36:55 Nope, no sign of one group of players being given preferential treatment over the rest of the playerbase here at all, no siree. :rolleyes:
For shame, CCP. This kind of c.r.a.p. was supposed to have been abolished after the whole "Developer spawning t2 BPOs for his alliance mates" scandal, and the subsequent creation of Internal Affairs.
I hope Kieron (or whoever else is in charge of both CCP and IA) looks into this, and that the unemployment queue in Iceland gets a little longer. This stinks worse than a barrel of rotten shark...
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Raqem
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:37:00 -
[754]
Edited by: Raqem on 24/03/2009 03:37:01
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:37:00 -
[755]
25 Pages Calling for your action CCP... the eve universe awaits your waking the **** up ----------------------------------------------
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LegendaryFrog
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:38:00 -
[756]
No double standards or favoritism. This is an easy choice to reverse, and it should be done as soon as possible.
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Gehena Valheru
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:38:00 -
[757]
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Sheeplechase
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:40:00 -
[758]
It costs everyone else 1b and loss of sov. This is clearly out of game cheating.
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Temari Kurita
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:41:00 -
[759]
Originally by: Gorfob
Originally by: Temari Kurita Something rotten in the state of Finland* (and it's not the rotten shark that they claim is a delicacy either). *Apologies to Shakespeare.
Iceland.
:cripes:
:cripes: indeed.
In my defence I was watching a tv show about Finland when I made the error. This is also why you shouldnt post on forums while half-doped on migraine medications.
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CHAOS100
Widowmakers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:46:00 -
[760]
bets that CCP wont act until the news has spread across the interwebs, creating yet more bad PR for CCP? --------------
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BlackMail
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:46:00 -
[761]
I Support this --------------------------------------- Blackmail Cutting Edge Incorporated All Around Good Guy
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Miho Aokii
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:49:00 -
[762]
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Mickey Simon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:51:00 -
[763]
O_o
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Furvus Maximus
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:52:00 -
[764]
I support this.
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Shushan Kadesh
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:53:00 -
[765]
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AzureStorms
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:53:00 -
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Nothing is ever easy Dance with me death, I am ready
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Honseiki
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:53:00 -
[767]
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Afaydia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:54:00 -
[768]
I support this.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:56:00 -
[769]
Wouldn't it be easier to just reset their sovereignty to level 0.
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TigCobra
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:57:00 -
[770]
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Zaakath Rahl
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:57:00 -
[771]
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Deo Three
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:57:00 -
[772]
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TheG2
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.03.24 03:58:00 -
[773]
CCP, one rule for all.
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lordmix
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:00:00 -
[774]
I can't wait to hear the explanation for this one... ------- Your signature is too big. The size limits for signature graphics are 120 pixels by 400 pixels, and no more than 24,000 bytes (not kbytes) - Karass Sayfo
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LithiumX
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:01:00 -
[775]
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Anderson Wes
Ars ex Discordia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:02:00 -
[776]
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Butternut Squash
Gallente Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:07:00 -
[777]
Tell you what CCP
Allow the change of name and drop sov
or
Disallow name change and allow them to maintain sov
Should you choose option 2 then the playerbase demand an explaination as to how this happened in the first place ... this is disgusting.
Butters
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:08:00 -
[778]
1) The game mechanics and rules should apply to everybody.
2) Kenzoku was a much cooler name than "Band of Brothers Reloaded"
3) A spy should not be able to disband a whole alliance in seconds and steal the name. That's faulty game mechanics. There should be at least 24 hour vote on something like that. ---
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Hark0n
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:11:00 -
[779]
fire the guy that did this...
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Value Added
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:14:00 -
[780]
Edited by: Value Added on 24/03/2009 04:14:10
Originally by: Cipher7
1) The game mechanics and rules should apply to everybody.
2) Kenzoku was a much cooler name than "Band of Brothers Reloaded"
3) A spy should not be able to disband a whole alliance in seconds and steal the name. That's faulty game mechanics. There should be at least 24 hour vote on something like that.
In regards to 3, SirMolle deleted the Tinfoil shares as he wanted to get around the 24h timer to make things easier. This included disbanding the alliance for anyone with the appropriate roles.
hth
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Lloyd Loar
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:16:00 -
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Xephik
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:18:00 -
[782]
Supported
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Aura Mega
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:19:00 -
[783]
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=423 That commitment was broken yet again. what will next time be bob gets back all of delve which we took by FAIR game mechanics.
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Boknamar
The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:23:00 -
[784]
Supported. Not for Goonswarm, but for fairness.
And freedom.
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Skarned
Diplomatic Disruption Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:25:00 -
[785]
Edited by: Skarned on 24/03/2009 04:25:17 After the T20 incident I couldn't tell if a just few CCP employees in the middle and the bottom of the company had some massive ******* to try and pull that off, or whether the few at the top had none to oppose it. Maybe it's both. Or maybe... maybe it's the other way around.
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WhiteTigersGod
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:26:00 -
[786]
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Sherkaner Lumpen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:29:00 -
[787]
This is brazen and shameful GM favoritism.
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Alexis Strutt
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:30:00 -
[788]
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Grumwald
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:32:00 -
[789]
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Herckon
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:33:00 -
[790]
Again:
"Throughout our history, there have been a handful of cases where our employees or members of our various volunteer and partner programs have taken advantage of the proprietary powers they are granted through access and knowledge. These cases have been investigated, prosecuted and judgment rendered. Usually the punishment has been quite simple: termination of employment."
I'd say modifying alliance name outside game mechanics qualify...
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Triistan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:34:00 -
[791]
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Sean Naised
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:34:00 -
[792]
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Unworldly1
Intergalactic Jesters Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:37:00 -
[793]
Originally by: Aglaea I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else.
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Hesod Adee
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:39:00 -
[794]
CCP, we demand an explanation.
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Lorcas
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:40:00 -
[795]
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Dragorin
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:44:00 -
[796]
FULLY SUPPORTED!! [url=http://66.11.226.108/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=47019] [/url] |
Tiberian Berthold
Berthold Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:45:00 -
[797]
Any sort of official response would be nice, too. Even something as simple as "We're looking into the issue, and will issue a public statement once we know more." |
Hong Jiansen
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:46:00 -
[798]
--------
Originally by: Soggybottom Only one thing died tonight and that was honour. To roaring applause...
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Cowgirl Nuggets
Minmatar Band of Devs Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:51:00 -
[799]
I see no problem with this name change.
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Battlecheese
Caldari SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 04:55:00 -
[800]
There's been much discussion of character name limits - I would have thought that the corporation name limits were more relevant in this instance.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Naming_Policies
Corporation names Minimum length is 4 characters Maximum length is 50 characters Allowed characters are A-Z, a-z, 0-9, space, minus, dot and single quotation Space, minus, dot and single quotation are not allowed as the first character in a name Space, minus and single quotation are not allowed as the last character in a corporation name Max ticker name is 5
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Skira Ranos
Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:09:00 -
[801]
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Jetsena
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:11:00 -
[802]
I think the most important thing is consistency, which is why I'm supporting this resolution.
I see no honest reason as to why the name was changed, it is not offensive.
The renaming of Kenzoku smacks of favouritism; I believe that not only CCP needs to be impartial, but that they also need to appear impartial.
The renaming makes me believe neither, and I'm very interested as to why it happened.
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Midjutetur
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:11:00 -
[803]
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:12:00 -
[804]
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earthless
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:14:00 -
[805]
madprops to ccp for at least being consistent |
Eva Sankarihauta
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:19:00 -
[806]
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Klaw Mydia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:30:00 -
[807]
Edited by: Klaw Mydia on 24/03/2009 05:30:42 I like cheating, thumbs up.
edited for thumbs up
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Folikar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:30:00 -
[808]
This is wrong, fix it.
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Cupachabra comgitsum
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:33:00 -
[809]
Edited by: Cupachabra comgitsum on 24/03/2009 05:33:45 dubblepoast
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Cupachabra comgitsum
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:33:00 -
[810]
Originally by: Klaw Mydia Edited by: Klaw Mydia on 24/03/2009 05:30:42 I like cheating, thumbs up.
edited for thumbs up
Wow, I would have never expected this kind of behavior from either kenbobku or ccp. At least they're not trying to ignore this is happening like every other time they had anything to do with this game that was a bad idea.
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muxacb07
Eye of God Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:34:00 -
[811]
i support this disband idea and make them follow the rules is it really that hard?
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LymeM
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:36:00 -
[812]
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sol murgs
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:38:00 -
[813]
More favoritism from CCP.
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Mon Fin
Carniffles Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:52:00 -
[814]
__________________________________________________ Only my credit card gets my signature |
Mon Kiera
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:54:00 -
[815]
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Straightoutacompton
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:56:00 -
[816]
Originally by: sol murgs More favoritism from CCP.
Agreed.
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the member
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:59:00 -
[817]
wut
Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
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Daniel Grim
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2009.03.24 05:59:00 -
[818]
"We have a strict reimbursement policy that we must follow" (c) CCP GMs
Not so strong for "someone"?
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EdwardNardella
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:00:00 -
[819]
/signed
I await a detailed response from CCP.
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AndrewNardella
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:02:00 -
[820]
/signed I can has confession from CCP plz?
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Scaldo Pwncakes
The Maverick Navy PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:09:00 -
[821]
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Kara DaArmie
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:11:00 -
[822]
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Perpello
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:15:00 -
[823]
It's an outrage!
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Col Callahan
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:21:00 -
[824]
Edited by: Col Callahan on 24/03/2009 06:23:08 Name or not, your still going to die, enjoy your name with a dead alliance.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:22:00 -
[825]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As CSM I'm not going to touch this with a 10ft pole <snip>.
You just described the correct way CCP should have handled the issue.
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Peasant John
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:24:00 -
[826]
There are not enough for whoever thought this was a good idea.
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Cap II
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:26:00 -
[827]
So why was my petition for a name change several months ago closed without so much as a response?
[yellow]Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes[ |
The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:26:00 -
[828]
after the creation of the internal affairs department i had hope that what i term the 'bad old days' were over
i'd like to think this was just a low-level gm acting out and that IA is all over him, if not, man you guys look dumb vOv
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Raven Timoshenko
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:28:00 -
[829]
oh great, Bob gets special treatment. Again.
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Edriahn
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:36:00 -
[830]
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Developer Corruption
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:38:00 -
[831]
I, too, am against developer corruption.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:39:00 -
[832]
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As CSM I'm not going to touch this with a 10ft pole <snip>.
You just described the correct way CCP should have handled the issue.
And here is the thing: They didn't touch it with a 10ft pole either, at first. Lets just say that the CSM was nice and was quite clear that when we talked to CCP about it, that what had happened was fair and square. CCP should leave it all alone.
They must have really good reasons for letting Kenzoku pick a new name, othewise it wouldn't have been the case.
This post goes to prove that people make assumptions based on so limited knowledge, that they have no basis for any kind of conclusions.
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Jeff Drake
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:40:00 -
[833]
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HawkBunny
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:42:00 -
[834]
Edited by: HawkBunny on 24/03/2009 06:42:58
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As CSM I'm not going to touch this with a 10ft pole <snip>.
You just described the correct way CCP should have handled the issue.
And here is the thing: They didn't touch it with a 10ft pole either, at first. Lets just say that the CSM was nice and was quite clear that when we talked to CCP about it, that what had happened was fair and square. CCP should leave it all alone.
They must have really good reasons for letting Kenzoku pick a new name, othewise it wouldn't have been the case.
This post goes to prove that people make assumptions based on so limited knowledge, that they have no basis for any kind of conclusions.
But is it fair to other players, and can they tell us why they did it?
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C4pevna
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:44:00 -
[835]
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Necro EvilZombie
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:45:00 -
[836]
post
AFK in a belt near you |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:47:00 -
[837]
Originally by: HawkBunny
But is it fair to other players, and can they tell us why they did it?
That's the thing, none of us have ANY idea what happened.
Usually GM actions are NOT disclosed. Obviously, in this case, that might be warranted due to the huge outcry(Unjustified, but understandable, in my opinion).
I'm entirely against the CSM picking up this issue. I will however see what I can do to solve the "problem".
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Xodius Raldari
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:49:00 -
[838]
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XaeNik
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:52:00 -
[839]
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HawkBunny
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:53:00 -
[840]
Edited by: HawkBunny on 24/03/2009 06:52:55
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: HawkBunny
But is it fair to other players, and can they tell us why they did it?
That's the thing, none of us have ANY idea what happened.
Usually GM actions are NOT disclosed. Obviously, in this case, that might be warranted due to the huge outcry(Unjustified, but understandable, in my opinion).
I'm entirely against the CSM picking up this issue. I will however see what I can do to solve the "problem".
I can understand that, and the only reason I posted my support is the more people who complain and support the topic. Makes it more likely that CCP will respond to it. If there is another way i can do this I like to know???
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Iron McFly
CHAF tech
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:58:00 -
[841]
No - disbanding is too extreme.
Originally by: Butternut Squash The issue is not that Ken tried it ... it is that CCP allowed it, broke all the rules in the book and blatantly disregarded their own EULA.
1) Reset BoB to KenZoku 2) CSM rep spanks Dev-Pet, trousers down, next EVE Fest. 3) Wake Up CCP and smell the stench, this sort of shamefulness defeats the whole game.
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Chairman Lmao
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:59:00 -
[842]
I support more T2 BPOs for KenZoku.
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Dezolf
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 06:59:00 -
[843]
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Knightside
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:06:00 -
[844]
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Helen Sugoraki
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:07:00 -
[845]
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HuntBuzz
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:09:00 -
[846]
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Aniel Zaar
Light of Orion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:14:00 -
[847]
/signed *-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^ By the way, I am an Ishtar and T2 sentries fan. Fight to make the sentry damage rig work for all drones. |
Iva Soreass
Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:15:00 -
[848]
Originally by: Von Kleist Cry more, post less.
Oh the sheer irony.
Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal |
Scruffy Jed
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:17:00 -
[849]
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San Ti
Gallente Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:21:00 -
[850]
/signed
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Nastural
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:25:00 -
[851]
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sarrasade 1
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:29:00 -
[852]
i want to change my character name
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Ph3lan
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:37:00 -
[853]
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NereSky
Gallente Domination. PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:45:00 -
[854]
ohgod another goon bandwagon - puts on waders to keep feet dry in the river of tears - not supported
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Ganimah Kross
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:49:00 -
[855]
Supported.
... Because No amount of GM/Dev Necromancy should be allowed to bring back this Dead Horse of an alliance.
No Preferential Treatment, and No Lame Excuses, or Rationalizations of actions that clearly violate the rules as they are set... No Exceptions EVER.
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shimmyckus
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:50:00 -
[856]
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Bai Lan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:53:00 -
[857]
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Lauren Sheaperd
Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:58:00 -
[858]
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Nasdram
Oberon Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:00:00 -
[859]
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Jamus Duran
The 5th Column
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:05:00 -
[860]
Rules is rules.
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Gonad Crusher
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:08:00 -
[861]
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steave47
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:08:00 -
[862]
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KirilApostolov
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:09:00 -
[863]
Edited by: KirilApostolov on 24/03/2009 08:12:50 Edited by: KirilApostolov on 24/03/2009 08:10:19 This is mandatory
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Cataracts
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:16:00 -
[864]
Just say no to internet spaceships special favors.
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0ren Ishii
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:18:00 -
[865]
Eve is an illnes there is no cure for ! |
Morning Mist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:23:00 -
[866]
Originally by: LaVista Vista That's the thing, none of us have ANY idea what happened.
No, we do know what happened. Kenny got their name changed against the stated rules. What we don't know is why.
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Lucky Jack'o
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:25:00 -
[867]
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Lagn Gita
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:27:00 -
[868]
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Zackalwe
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:28:00 -
[869]
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Vashan Tar
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:28:00 -
[870]
Edited by: Vashan Tar on 24/03/2009 08:28:13 Supported. This type of thing is the reason the CSM was put in place in the first place.
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Teh Supah
eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:29:00 -
[871]
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Shaox
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:30:00 -
[872]
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Acikin
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:31:00 -
[873]
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MillerUk
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:36:00 -
[874]
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Zarin Karzi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:38:00 -
[875]
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MohamedLoftie
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:41:00 -
[876]
/signed ---------------------------------------- Come to the dark side... We have cookies |
Kalman Tihanyi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:41:00 -
[877]
Edited by: Kalman Tihanyi on 24/03/2009 08:42:18
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Dammo
Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:44:00 -
[878]
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:49:00 -
[879]
Originally by: LaVista Vista This post goes to prove that people make assumptions based on so limited knowledge, that they have no basis for any kind of conclusions.
How about CCP rewriting their own rules as they see fit? If they do they at least should inform the public beforehand to avoid whine threads like these. And try it out on Sisi first because it seems that they screwed it up somehow.
Now there is this skewed issue on the production database where alliance names and tickers are mismatched for Kenzoku. And at this unique state the behavior of the game itself is unwarranted and may result in unwanted behavior. Especially when it comes to sov mechanics. Most likely disfavoring Kenzoku.
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Osric Wuscfrea
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:54:00 -
[880]
-- Rgds Mike
Dead-Fish, Deep Sea Daddies...
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CDLoon
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:56:00 -
[881]
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Venomire
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:57:00 -
[882]
durp durp
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Matke47
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:02:00 -
[883]
good stuff APPROVED !
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Housta Jernmarra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:02:00 -
[884]
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slazenger harris
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:09:00 -
[885]
Supporting
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Misos Riklar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:17:00 -
[886]
Oh great, BoB gets unfair special treatment again and the CSM is too cowardly to even take up the issue for discussion.
To mr LaVista Vista: As you should know very well this was the exact sort of thing the CSM was instated to deal with. The CSM was created after the T20 scandal to act as a player-control instance and now when history repeats itself you say you're not going to touch the issue? wtf? |
Lord PET
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:20:00 -
[887]
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Shwna
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:22:00 -
[888]
Originally by: Slaveone In another demonstration of developer misconduct CCP renamed Kenzoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded. This has never been done for an alliance, character, or corporation, ever.
Please vote up to disband BOBR.
nah, rather have a vote on CCP disbanding GS and banning all their players+alts from the game.
if you really want to make a impact because as you say CCP 'supports' the unbeatable enemy (as GS and the GS alt army called PL are apparently pwned here by the Reloaded revival), you could quit the game?
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Hemitheconyx
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:24:00 -
[889]
*signed
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Thin Sam
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:25:00 -
[890]
Cheats never change
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Azuse
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:27:00 -
[891]
It's so nice to be reminded that everyone's on a level playing field. -------------------------
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grey mangler
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:28:00 -
[892]
Equal treatment for all.
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:28:00 -
[893]
seems u can change if there is a new excecutive corps in charge
so a non issue
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Treylis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:28:00 -
[894]
Originally by: Shwna if you really want to make a impact because as you say CCP 'supports' the unbeatable enemy (as GS and the GS alt army called PL are apparently pwned here by the Reloaded revival), you could quit the game?
I remember when we were supposed to be BOB alts, haha. Oh, how times have changed.
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Hasan Rachid
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:30:00 -
[895]
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Ashemi Darkhold
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:31:00 -
[896]
Burn ------ hirr! |
Dinjin Jada
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:31:00 -
[897]
At least one good thing has happened with all of this. Most goons and NC are ****posting in here instead of CAOD this time.
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Mike Takumi
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:32:00 -
[898]
Voting disband
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Pontet Canet
en primeur
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:34:00 -
[899]
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Gritstone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:34:00 -
[900]
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marvelouscountenance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:35:00 -
[901]
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irion felpamy
HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:36:00 -
[902]
I found it hard to belive when I heard this. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. I Sent a mail to IA saying I felt GM's were being bias, they sent it on to the GM's to deal with, that level of timewasting is like sendig a complaint to the independant police complaints authority and having them pass it on to your local police station to deal with.
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PuJu
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:38:00 -
[903]
Edited by: PuJu on 24/03/2009 09:38:30
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Rifter Drifter
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:39:00 -
[904]
Fully supported.
as a lower level player, its REALLY nice to be reminded by CCP, that nobody is favoured in this game, that we all lie on the same equal field, and we all get the same oppurtunities, regardless of how many developers are in our corp.
Oh.
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Can't Lock
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:41:00 -
[905]
Edited by: Can''t Lock on 24/03/2009 09:41:23 I too support this action.
CCP guise.. i'm REALLY short on isk atm, so liek.. 1b plz nao! (+ some sov?!?!)
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jamaican herbs
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:42:00 -
[906]
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:43:00 -
[907]
That's a lot of GGA alts posting. ________________________________________________
http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable. |
Hair
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:43:00 -
[908]
Supporting dis
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Syril Mert
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:45:00 -
[909]
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AverageR
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:45:00 -
[910]
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whos scout
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:46:00 -
[911]
So whens WoD due out again?
oops
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NaBeRa
DRUCKWELLE Evolution The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:47:00 -
[912]
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Misos Riklar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:47:00 -
[913]
Also I would encourage everyone to petition this as there is a petition topic for GM abuse and such...
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Gefex
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:47:00 -
[914]
Supported, for blatant favouritism yet again.
CCP need to stay out of our damn sandbox.
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Starlit Skysearch
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:48:00 -
[915]
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Myiesha
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:48:00 -
[916]
Edited by: Myiesha on 24/03/2009 09:48:44 Signed
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:48:00 -
[917]
GS abuse game mechanics to delete BOB and steal the name. BOB petition for a name change in these circumstances and get granted a name change.
Seems reasonable to me. ________________________________________________
http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable. |
Science Schitter
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:49:00 -
[918]
Originally by: Doctor Penguin GS abuse game mechanics to delete BOB and steal the name. BOB petition for a name change in these circumstances and get granted a name change.
Seems reasonable to me.
1. Shut up 2. Get out
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R0ze
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:50:00 -
[919]
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Internal Error
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:52:00 -
[920]
Originally by: Doctor Penguin GS legitimately use game mechanics to delete BOB and steal the name. BOB petition for a name change and against all precedent are the first alliance ever granted a name change.
Seems reasonable to me.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:53:00 -
[921]
Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 24/03/2009 09:53:55
Originally by: Science Schitter 1. Shut up 2. Get out
Post with your main, please, with the corp and alliance clearly visible. I'm not in the mood to argue with 13 year olds.
Correction: I'm not in the mood to argue with people hiding behind alts so they can act like 13 year olds.
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:54:00 -
[922]
so how about account sharing ? of u ll get loads of votes here, there are alot of goons
but lets do a vote about account sharing then with soem links to mp3 s
anyay, lets await what happened excalty, eula says :
Please keep in mind that the names cannot be changed after you have created the account, character or corporation so please take care what you name them.
BUT It doesnt say allaince, and with a new excecutive corps u might be able too
if not legal, then kick gm, reset name and thats it, back to fighting
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Science Schitter
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:54:00 -
[923]
Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Originally by: Science Schitter 1. Shut up 2. Get out
Post with your main, please, with the corp and alliance clearly visible. I'm not in the mood to argue with 13 year olds.
tbh, i've posted with my mains, and am now cycling alts.
have a problem with my schizophrenic viewpoints? Solution: kill self
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Hertford
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:56:00 -
[924]
Originally by: Doctor Penguin GS abuse game mechanics to delete BOB and steal the name. BOB petition for a name change in these circumstances and get granted a name change.
Seems reasonable to me.
For those unfamiliar with Alliance Executor Corp Game Mechanics... |
Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:58:00 -
[925]
Originally by: Science Schitter tbh, i've posted with my mains, and am now cycling alts.
have a problem with my schizophrenic viewpoints? Solution: kill self
Thanks for discrediting the entire thread. ________________________________________________
http://eve.drome.nl/CaodCleaner/ Help make CAOD readable. |
Science Schitter
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:58:00 -
[926]
Originally by: Doctor Penguin
Originally by: Science Schitter tbh, i've posted with my mains, and am now cycling alts.
have a problem with my schizophrenic viewpoints? Solution: kill self
Thanks for discrediting the entire thread.
The actions of one discredit the actions of many.
Sound Familiar?
thanks for proving my point.
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Rifter Drifter
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2009.03.24 09:59:00 -
[927]
Edited by: Rifter Drifter on 24/03/2009 09:59:36
Quote: Thanks for discrediting the entire thread.
The actions of one discredit the actions of many.
Sound Familiar?
thanks for proving my point.
SMACKDOWN
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Angry Poster
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:00:00 -
[928]
So is CCP just gonna ignore the fact that their GMs/Devs are giving certain customers (friends) special treatment (again)?
Or can I have my alliance renamed now as well without any drawbacks such as Sov loss etc.?
Any statement planned by CCP anytime soon or are you just gonna stick your fingers in your ears and hum loudly?
And what is CSM doing exactly during all this?
Guess I'll have to think better about who I vote for next time...
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:01:00 -
[929]
Originally by: Science Schitter The actions of one discredit the actions of many.
Sound Familiar?
thanks for proving my point.
I'll repeat my request for you to post with your main. ________________________________________________
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Suitonia
interimo End of The Line.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:01:00 -
[930]
Z
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Science Schitter
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:03:00 -
[931]
Quote: I'll repeat my request for you to post with your main.
Confirming I am Doctor Penguins Main.
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Veriastor
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:06:00 -
[932]
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:06:00 -
[933]
Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 24/03/2009 10:07:46 One more time - post with your main. Otherwise I have no quibbles in saying that because GS and BOB are as bad as each other, I, nor anybody else, should have any problem with them sucessfully using a petition to change a name. ________________________________________________
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CptCosmic Trade2
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:07:00 -
[934]
Edited by: CptCosmic Trade2 on 24/03/2009 10:08:29 oh dear *facepalm* do you realize that you whine about a name? a few letters of pixels ingame? brainfarts ftl
nevertheless this thread has a distinct lack of cheese
regards Cpt Cosmic
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Science Schitter
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:08:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Doctor Penguin One more time - post with your main.
One Last Time. (just 4 u babez)
CONFIRMING I AM DOCTOR PENGUIN's MAIN.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr Shadow Command Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:09:00 -
[936]
Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 24/03/2009 10:10:04 Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 24/03/2009 10:09:54 Alright then, I guess we're agreed. If you can't be bothered to post with your main to disprove my point, either my point is correct or you're trolling - either case I can ignore you entirely.
I am arguing about a name, just like these guys are arguing about a name. Ah well. ________________________________________________
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Jkrog
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:09:00 -
[937]
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:09:00 -
[938]
Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/03/2009 10:09:45
Originally by: CptCosmic Trade2 Edited by: CptCosmic Trade2 on 24/03/2009 10:08:29 oh dear *facepalm* do you realize that you whine about a name? a few letters of pixels ingame? brainfarts ftl
nevertheless this thread has a distinct lack of cheese
regards Cpt Cosmic
stupid trade alt =D
moar brainfarts plz
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Kuranta
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:11:00 -
[939]
Edited by: Kuranta on 24/03/2009 10:13:35 It has never been done before. I would like to know why BoBR is beeing treated different.
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Science Schitter
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:13:00 -
[940]
Originally by: Doctor Penguin Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 24/03/2009 10:10:04 Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 24/03/2009 10:09:54 Alright then, I guess we're agreed. If you can't be bothered to post with your main to disprove my point, either my point is correct or you're trolling - either case I can ignore you entirely.
I am arguing about a name, just like these guys are arguing about a name. Ah well.
no1 gives a **** about the name, you muppet.
The problem people have with this, is the continued unproffesional acts of favouritism by CCP, taking away the traditionally level playing field most of us have to play on.
don't pretend you are so ignorant that you cannot understand the core values of this topic, however if you truly believe people mind that some ***s changed their name to something so embarrasing as "beaver", i'll refer you back to an early post...
1. Shut up 2. Get out
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Nemiron
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:13:00 -
[941]
Special treatment is not OK, CCP.
Is you think it is, I would like to know the reasoning behind it. |
Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:16:00 -
[942]
Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/03/2009 10:16:24 favorism & special treatment? because changing a few letters worth of pixels has such a massiv impact to everyone!
more epic brainfarts plz, smells delicious!
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Ogram Katla
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:16:00 -
[943]
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Bagdon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:19:00 -
[944]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: HawkBunny
But is it fair to other players, and can they tell us why they did it?
That's the thing, none of us have ANY idea what happened.
Usually GM actions are NOT disclosed. Obviously, in this case, that might be warranted due to the huge outcry(Unjustified, but understandable, in my opinion).
I'm entirely against the CSM picking up this issue. I will however see what I can do to solve the "problem".
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As CSM I'm not going to touch this with a 10ft pole, as person I think this is messed up.
Fantastic. So here we have two CSM representatives that refuse to do job that was the primary task of the CSM - holding CCP responsible for misconduct.
Make sure that you don't run again (if you can, I haven't followed your careers too closely) or endorse any future candidates. Because those posts will be remembered and quoted in any attempts of you or your friends to get close to the CSM again. I don't care about the name change, I doubt anyone does, the new name is ridiculous and easy to mock, but the fact that someone at CCP is messing with the rules again is the big issue here.
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Capt Raven
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:20:00 -
[945]
Edited by: Capt Raven on 24/03/2009 10:19:59 Clearly a case for the internal affairs team. - Let the dogs loose.
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Selina Candor
Chernobyl Trading Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:26:00 -
[946]
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Serinao
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:27:00 -
[947]
name change = ok name change keeping sov = not ok name change going over the char limit = not ok
2 rules broken that we can see, what else might there be that we cannot see? Stop favoritism especially to an alliance that allready had GM favours in the past.
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SFShootme
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:28:00 -
[948]
I too, am gay
[VIDEO] Paroxysm
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coeathal vega
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:30:00 -
[949]
this definately should be looked at.
ohwai~~~~~~~~~~~ ----
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Ander
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:41:00 -
[950]
What the hell?
EVE PIRATE
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oh yes
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:44:00 -
[951]
Its only a name!
What goons should be doing is packing there stuff and moving out of delve before bob take it back!
The reason Goons and friends and crying about this is they know there about to get there ass kicked and there trying to delay it!
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Rikkard Strofeldt
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:51:00 -
[952]
Lets see how IA handle this one eh? --
Madness has arisen. |
Arbiter Bcaso
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:51:00 -
[953]
Edited by: Arbiter Bcaso on 24/03/2009 10:55:12
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Ix Forres
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:53:00 -
[954]
Interesting point- the Band of Brothers corporation's ticker is no longer BOB (though another player has made an alt corp to pick it up already). As far as I know this uneditable in userspace. Why would CCP alter this? -- Ix Forres EVE Application Developer ISKsense | EVE Metrics (NEW) | I Tweet |
Fulber
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:54:00 -
[955]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: HawkBunny
But is it fair to other players, and can they tell us why they did it?
That's the thing, none of us have ANY idea what happened.
Usually GM actions are NOT disclosed. Obviously, in this case, that might be warranted due to the huge outcry(Unjustified, but understandable, in my opinion).
I'm entirely against the CSM picking up this issue. I will however see what I can do to solve the "problem".
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As CSM I'm not going to touch this with a 10ft pole, as person I think this is messed up.
To these two CSMs I ask the following question:
How does an alliance obtain a ticker such as [.BoB.], as opposed to [.BOB.]? |
Poontang McFadyen
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:57:00 -
[956]
The whole point of the CSM was originally to stop this sort of horrible bias towards certain alliances.
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Surfs Down
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:58:00 -
[957]
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:58:00 -
[958]
cause its a zero and not a o 0
0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0oo0o0o0o0o0o0
btw loggings are changign for people right now , afther dt it might be fixed , lets wait that and then we can get back to the proces of goon deletion in delve. i just got 150 titans and supportfleet of t3 carriers from a gm , so it will be over quick now
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Notary Hardenbrook
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:59:00 -
[959]
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Andrei Vassaliev
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:59:00 -
[960]
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Egocentric
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:00:00 -
[961]
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Huntress Thompson
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:04:00 -
[962]
Whatever junior-level helpdesk jockey embarassed CCP like this and buckled to Molle's crying will be preeeety unpopular with Internal Affairs right now, I bet. Way to undo all CCP's hard work distancing themselves from these cheaters.
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Iwant Urstuff
Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:07:00 -
[963]
Originally by: Slaveone In another demonstration of developer misconduct CCP renamed Kenzoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded. This has never been done for an alliance, character, or corporation, ever.
Please vote up to disband BOBR.
In a word no. Stickz and stonez can hurt me bonez but namez can never hurt me. I juzt wanted to know if any of you wanted some cheeze and crackerz with all that whine? I alzo wanted to know how thiz givez some kind of advantage to anybody in the game (ezpecially az the OP accuzed CCP of developer mizconduct.) If any of you are going to emo quit over thiz plz contract all ur stuff to me.
MSC eht ot etadidnac P&C suopmoP niatpaC rof etoV
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Haku Cabal
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:07:00 -
[964]
meow?
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oh yes
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:08:00 -
[965]
This time next year, there will be no goons!
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The Groundskeeper
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:08:00 -
[966]
Oh Kenny-San. Never change (well, not when you can get a GM to do it for you).
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Zebullon
Defcon One Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:10:00 -
[967]
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High Inquisitress
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:10:00 -
[968]
Oh dear, CCP.
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The Bailiff
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:13:00 -
[969]
I don't really do alliance politics thing but it seems a bit off-colour to me tbh.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:13:00 -
[970]
Bummer CCP is locking every thread on this subject and pointing people to the cesspool that is CAOD (which many cannot post to anyway). May as well drop your post in a Black Hole as put it there for all it will get noticed by the rest of the universe.
I am currently in the process of dismantling over a dozen POS explicitly for the purpose of an Alliance/Corp reorganization. We have no Sovereignty to worry about but it is still a serious pain in the arse. Had I known CCP would just change it for me I certainly would not be going through the hell of taking down and putting POS up.
I do not care about Kenny/BoBR's name. I do care if this was a special favor unavailable to me or anyone else in EVE.
I'd very much like a CCP official response on how this works.
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Krem daBrut
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:15:00 -
[971]
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Roger Blake
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:15:00 -
[972]
Sup?
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Cadet Seaton
Paisti Paisti Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:15:00 -
[973]
SUPPORT THIS CAUSE!!!
BAND OF DEVELOPERS CANT DO WHAT THEY WANT!
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Sikhtar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:16:00 -
[974]
Same rules for all
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Boss Cracker
deii feram
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:17:00 -
[975]
The massed ranks of my corp are solidly behind this proposition. Both of us.
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Aurelie Kauraka
Capital Ships Inc. Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:17:00 -
[976]
This is blatant cheating.
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Kiora Evon
The X-Trading Company RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:17:00 -
[977]
.
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Saint Schala
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:17:00 -
[978]
ccp isnt biased towards bob/kenny/bobr whatever..... oh no never, no way.
sad so sad
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Warnie
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:17:00 -
[979]
Disband
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Unity Love
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:17:00 -
[980]
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Tylna Vuex
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:21:00 -
[981]
BOB is Dead, get over it, stop messing ppls fun!
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H Zebra
Dark Ashes
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:22:00 -
[982]
CCP, do you ever think before doing stuff. ive asked to have an alts name changed 5 times over a year and each time you have said we do not change names.
ccp you LIE
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Nimue Medb
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:24:00 -
[983]
Poasting in biggest whinefest since cruise was nerfed from frigates.
GG CCP! Single click disband indeed!
Shoulda rolled back when that went down.
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Kitana Muerte
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:24:00 -
[984]
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Wrhaistek Zhelocomeir
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:25:00 -
[985]
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WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:25:00 -
[986]
Edited by: WisdomLikeSilence on 24/03/2009 11:28:05 Threads on this topic are being deleted from the Main discussion area to pretend there is nothing going on. Why the cover up? Why no explanation?
Why is some peoples money worth more to CCP than everyone elses?
Can I ask, what other special favours do bobr get from CCP? I demand to be treated fairly, which is to say EQUALLY. Either CCP is incapable of learning from its mistakes in this matter, or they are deliberately goading the player base. Either way it was a STUPID DECISION to allow this name change.
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Leelya
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:25:00 -
[987]
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Evgeny Onegin
OMNYX
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:26:00 -
[988]
+1
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Todd Doughnut
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:27:00 -
[989]
Edited by: Todd Doughnut on 24/03/2009 11:27:34
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
I do not care about Kenny/BoBR's name. I do care if this was a special favor unavailable to me or anyone else in EVE.
I'd very much like a CCP official response on how this works.
THIS
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Compound Interest
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:28:00 -
[990]
Edited by: Compound Interest on 24/03/2009 11:28:25 Same rules should apply to all. This is ridiculous.
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Ceidar Halcyon
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:28:00 -
[991]
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Baline Aegis
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:29:00 -
[992]
Voting, just in order to have a CCP reaction about its own rule enforcement.
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Maryn Akroti
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:29:00 -
[993]
CCP just don't get it - the main reason so many of us despise BOB and their (what we presumed was FORMER) relationship with CCP is because so many bobbits rubbed it in our faces for so long. |
Straylight IX
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:33:00 -
[994]
--------- "Stars were once lit and extinguished at our command, and you still dare to defy us?" |
spongebobbb
Amarr under the sea
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:33:00 -
[995]
I hereby unveil the BOBR new alliance logo.....
c/d?
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Hacot
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:34:00 -
[996]
signed
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Thorek Ironbrow
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:35:00 -
[997]
Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 24/03/2009 11:36:24
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 24/03/2009 10:16:24 favorism & special treatment? because changing a few letters worth of pixels has such a massiv impact to everyone!
more epic brainfarts plz, smells delicious!
The fact that they changed "a few letters worth of pixels" isn't the issue. CCP has stated that there are specific circumstances they will change an alliance name, if they are deemed offensive, and no other. Now they go and break their own rules for bob. This isn't the first time they've broken their rules for bob. That is the issue. ____________________________
Originally by: Elirel this thread is about serious Internet Spaceship stuff.
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MissBlackMamba
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:35:00 -
[998]
DisBandOBR.
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Ian Kazansky
ICE is Coming to EVE
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:37:00 -
[999]
Of course
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Ranko
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:39:00 -
[1000]
---
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Vynatusis
Caldari Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:41:00 -
[1001]
/signed -- vynatusis |
Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:41:00 -
[1002]
Well here we are 1000 posts in and still no answer with CCP keeping it off of the front page of gen discussion away from the masses. If I remember right didnt kugu get banned for causing work for your gm team or something. This must be lots of work too.
Someone please explain how this happened. It seems not all is fair in love and war.
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ex0toxic
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:41:00 -
[1003]
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irouine
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:42:00 -
[1004]
/signed
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Xathytoz
Saupreussn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:42:00 -
[1005]
I'm reminded at this song "eve online is for bob"... >.> A concerned customer supporting this action.
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TKILLERz
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:42:00 -
[1006]
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WoogyDude
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:42:00 -
[1007]
one rule, one game
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diabeteman
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:42:00 -
[1008]
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DeepBlue
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:43:00 -
[1009]
________________________________________________
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Izuxiria
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:43:00 -
[1010]
+1
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Uzuki Shootmenow
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:45:00 -
[1011]
GOGOGOGOGOGO
MOAR POSTS GUISEEE MOARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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Kwel'Thalas
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:46:00 -
[1012]
+1
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Zhabala
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:48:00 -
[1013]
+1
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Cymru2000
Intrepid Cows
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:49:00 -
[1014]
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night carrie
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:51:00 -
[1015]
+1
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Yanna Karr
Infinite Horizons
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:51:00 -
[1016]
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Dapto
Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:52:00 -
[1017]
Dapto |
Trina Seven
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:54:00 -
[1018]
"EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME CCP WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT CCP PRESSURE ON BoB;
WE, THE BoB PEOPLE, CONTROL CCP. AND THE CCP People KNOW IT."
-- BoB Prime Minister
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Georgius Agricola
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:59:00 -
[1019]
No other alliance has ever had this done for them, so there should be no exceptions.
Disband the Alliance.
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oh yes
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:59:00 -
[1020]
BOB is back, now its time to kick some goon ass!
So grow up goons, stop crying and pack your stuff, its time to move to empire
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Odetta Harpy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:00:00 -
[1021]
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Elicetian
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:00:00 -
[1022]
Signed
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Kite Fan
Defcon One Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:00:00 -
[1023]
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Pseudothei
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:01:00 -
[1024]
:ccp:
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The Riddik
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:02:00 -
[1025]
guk guk
look at all of you lame goonies and goonie pets posting. lol
you think CCP is that stupid to not see your spamming?
you did not beat BOB, a former director of BoB beat them, you guys were just the pathetic vessle of retribution to a shattered alliance, AFTER the damage was done.
so really, you guys are nothing.
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Augustus Thorn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:02:00 -
[1026]
Edited by: Augustus Thorn on 24/03/2009 12:02:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IELcBwoh5KY
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spinarax
Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:03:00 -
[1027]
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KristineKochanski
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:03:00 -
[1028]
Edited by: KristineKochanski on 24/03/2009 12:03:50 Seems unreasonable to have different rules for different Alliance, anyway we all want to see post starting "Oh my God, the killed Kenny, You B*stards"
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rhumbline
Caldari No Fear Buccaneers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:05:00 -
[1029]
Definantly not supported.
Although the whining and headless chicken ambulation is much chucklesome over my morning java.
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Zephod Beeblebrocks
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:06:00 -
[1030]
For God's sake think of the Barbies!
But seriously CCP offers to rename Characters at a price is this going to be waived from now on.
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Beer Consumer
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:12:00 -
[1031]
I am annoyed at what appears to be a blatant piece of favouritism by a random GM with BoBR connections. I am just plain disappointed by those who put their political alliance ahead of objective evaluation when they say silly things like, "It's only a name," or, "Goons deserve it." There can be no justification for effectively giving a brand new alliance sov 3 status in multiple systems for free. Rule avoidance on this level effectively undermines GM authority and creates more work as petition queues are flooded with everyone demanding the same treatment. This stuff affects us all, no matter how irrelevant 0.0 politics may seem.
I have no connection to Goons, BoBR or their respective allies. As a relative newcomer, I have heard about the "bad old days" when developers actively aided their alliance of choice. However, I believed such things to be a relic of the past.
Here's hoping the player base will get an official answer from CCP at least. |
Supi Lamie
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:12:00 -
[1032]
Same rules for all.
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Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:12:00 -
[1033]
I support this and I also take issue with .BOB. parodying our BOB ticker. Please fix this.
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Raniy
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:13:00 -
[1034]
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Malice Darkmoon
Amarr Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:16:00 -
[1035]
+1
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Zezima Khalid
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:17:00 -
[1036]
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Irumani
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:17:00 -
[1037]
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Moff Tigriss
IMpAct Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:19:00 -
[1038]
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Angelspirit
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:22:00 -
[1039]
Edited by: Angelspirit on 24/03/2009 12:22:11 Get over it!, its just a name and gain no Advantage from it!!!!
Stop wasting CSM time with this Crap |
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:26:00 -
[1040]
THIS:
"This is the **** that makes everyone so angry. While goonsawrm used a valid IN GAME mechanic to remove your alliance (broken or not) YOU GOT WHAT NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER GOTTEN. Two wrongs never make a right and certainly - petition to change the sov mechanic - BUT YOU DON'T DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT.
Its not about whats fair - this isnt hello kitty online - its about he rules, and making you play by them." |
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Beer Consumer
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:28:00 -
[1041]
Originally by: Angelspirit Edited by: Angelspirit on 24/03/2009 12:22:11 Get over it!, its just a name and gain no Advantage from it!!!!
Stop wasting CSM time with this Crap
Errr no, alliance name changes have, until now, required disbanding the alliance, paying 1 billion ISK to form a new one and losing sov status in the old alliance systems. Thus, BoBR's name change is the equivalent of not only waiving the alliance creation fee, it also involves effectively giving a brand new alliance sov 3 status in multiple systems for free.
*That* is why people are annoyed about it and making a fuss. |
Belid Hagen
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:29:00 -
[1042]
a whole lot of sandy vag's in here |
Nazowa
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:30:00 -
[1043]
This should be done immediately before it is all over various gaming sites.
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Menkaure
Vanitas Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:33:00 -
[1044]
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Jack Gilligan
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:34:00 -
[1045]
IMHO, this is BS, and preferential treatment for an alliance that CCP employees have been caught cheating for in the past.
CCP needs to make a policy statement. Either they do name changes for alliances who "don't like their name" (which was the case here, Kenny didn't want to be Kenny anymore, when they COULD have paid their $1B and formed "Bob Reloaded" the day they all joined Kenny) or they don't do alliance renames.
And to be fair, CCP needs to do this for anyone who requests it. And do it for free if BOB got it for free.
--- My opinions are my own and do not necessarily represent those of my corp or alliance. |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:35:00 -
[1046]
Edited by: TraininVain on 24/03/2009 12:36:40 Yeah.
Honestly if CCP want EVE to be this living universe we the players build (which I think they do. That's how I read them letting the original disband stand) then they shouldn't run around erasing player mistakes.
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Erialor Godsent
Federal Navy Support Divison
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:37:00 -
[1047]
--
Get Your Crumplecorn signature here. |
Mani Hiro
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:38:00 -
[1048]
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
[1049]
First off, I don't think CCP should cave simply because there's a lot of posts in here, mostly from Goonswarm + friends. If they caved to every demand Goonswarm set simply because they can forum ***** a lot, this game would fall apart within like a week. :P
That said, I'm surprised at the amount of people demanding for this specifically. If this thread was about renaming BoBR back to Kenny, sure, I'd understand that request. That's not what this post is calling for, this post is calling for BoBR being disbanded entirely.
That's not a neutral stance where you want CCP to apply rules fairly, that's an attempt at using a messy situation and trying to leverage it in such a way you can screw BoB over even more. That's an attempt by BoB's enemies to try and own BoB some more by forum whoring and making ridiculous demands. That has nothing to do with fairness, because the fair approach would be renaming them back and figuring out which GM allowed this to happen and why.
As for the rules being broken. Everybody has to accept that there can be situations that the rules never accounted for when originally written. It's almost impossible to write a rule and think of every possible scenario that might come up, especially in this case when these rules existed well before current sov mechanics. It's just as important to re-evaluate the rules to make sure they still apply in the current atmosphere, as it is to make sure the rules are applied fairly.
In this case, BoB was disbanded, they lost their name, their sov, everything. They reformed under a new alliance name that they still had lying around somewhere (with the 1b paid for when they created Kenny), and started over at sov 1. They had to reform the alliance on that same day, because it had to be done before DT so sov claiming would start again. They had no time, as an alliance, to discuss a new name or anything of that nature, simply because of the time constraint. Is it really that unreasonable for them to be allowed to now pick a name they like better (however lame it may be), because they didn't have a realistic chance at doing so when they had to emergency reform the alliance?
Certainly, some people might still say that yes, that is unreasonable, and some might say it's reasonable. Saying that this was a clear case of favoritism is a stretch though, because I think there's at the very least a good case to consider whether an exception is justified here, not because it's BoB and because they have their "line to the CCP", but because it's an alliance that had to reform under these conditions without having adequate time to decide on a name.
Either way, I doubt I'm going to convince most people posting here. I don't believe most posters here looked at it from an unbiased point of view, and tried to understand both sides of the coin. They're just here to drag BoB's name through the mud some more, accuse them of more favoritism from CCP, and try to turn this giant whinefest into a way to punish BoB (disbanding the alliance).
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JitaBum
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
[1050]
This is not an alliance vs alliance thing. It's about fair-play and the samle rules for all. I'm so sick of this ****
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
[1051]
Originally by: Angelspirit Edited by: Angelspirit on 24/03/2009 12:22:11 Get over it!, its just a name and gain no Advantage from it!!!!
Stop wasting CSM time with this Crap
Quoting Stupid
Bypassing existing rules, and double standards are things the CSM should be very interested in.
Hint: Try Change your name
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Necronomicon
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
[1052]
Supported, utterly disgraceful CCP
KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
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Jmanis Catharg
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:40:00 -
[1053]
Post on the first page summed it up.
Play by the rules the rest of us play by, or don't play at all.
Whether or not a mechanic is broken, a mechanic it is nonetheless, and until it's declared an exploit (or not), it's fair game, however your moral stance on it may be. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Barantz
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:41:00 -
[1054]
Edited by: Barantz on 24/03/2009 12:44:00 Yet another database change provided to BoB against the rules, and for free, from a CCP employee.
CCP do you not see that you have close to ZERO trust left from the player base, with regards to your integrity and the integrity of the game.
If someone at CCP, in BoBs pocket, will do such a highly visible change to the games databases, it is beyond question that there have been many changes made on their behalf which are not visible.
The one world model for an MMO was something special and unique; unfortunately it is now and forever blighted.
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Mr John22ta
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:41:00 -
[1055]
Edited by: Mr John22ta on 24/03/2009 12:41:36 This is out of line CCP. One rule for all.
If they didn't like their alliance name, they should have disbanded and reformed. The original BoB was disbanded through legit game mechanics.
No other alliance would be able to do this, so why BoB? This needs to be looked at by internal affairs, although I suspect the outcome would be a whitewash.
Just to add, I am no supporter of Goon's, in fact i have spent a lot of time killing them. I just think this is BS
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Demonikan
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:42:00 -
[1056]
Supported 2nd account, again disgraceful.
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Rongar Maximus
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:43:00 -
[1057]
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Hima Chhetri
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:43:00 -
[1058]
I was rather impressed when the first disband stood with no gm interference. But then they blatantly change the name for BoBR's personal benefit. I thought we had gotten past this crap but obviously not, I think ill go for a free name change petition on the way!!!
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InigoMontoya
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:43:00 -
[1059]
3rd account, terrible play by CCP.
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Navaj0
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:44:00 -
[1060]
One game One rule.
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JiN Azuma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:47:00 -
[1061]
Something needs to be done.
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Marquis Zenas
m3 Corp BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:50:00 -
[1062]
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Nihil4nth
DRUCKWELLE Evolution The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:51:00 -
[1063]
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:53:00 -
[1064]
TBH I'm a little surprised at the Eve population, I thought we were supposed to be a stoic, mature bunch.
Think about this. You're raging about an alliance getting their name changed.
I honestly didn't know we had this many dry vag.inas in Eve, holy smokes someone call President Obama this is an emergency, Kenny got their name back, call the Marines, call the Air Force, send the Seventh Fleet to Sweden, by all things holy this can not stand.
Grow up.
Look on the bright side, you get to kick BoB's arse some more.
What would rather have, fairness or fun? ---
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:54:00 -
[1065]
Originally by: Cipher7
TBH I'm a little surprised at the Eve population, I thought we were supposed to be a stoic, mature bunch.
Think about this. You're raging about an alliance getting their name changed.
I honestly didn't know we had this many dry vag.inas in Eve, holy smokes someone call President Obama this is an emergency, Kenny got their name back, call the Marines, call the Air Force, send the Seventh Fleet to Sweden, by all things holy this can not stand.
Grow up.
Look on the bright side, you get to kick BoB's arse some more.
What would rather have, fairness or fun?
I share the view of above poster.
I think this is silly.
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Ninja Monkie
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:54:00 -
[1066]
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Darvin Felth
Oberon Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:55:00 -
[1067]
CCP get ur fecking house in order ...
Smoking Whippets since 1967 ....
were the sweeney son and we aint had any dinner
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Telgar
ICE is Coming to EVE
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:56:00 -
[1068]
Everybody just say : Rules are rules.
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Bla QuaZebra
ZipZoom Kaboom Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:56:00 -
[1069]
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:58:00 -
[1070]
Welp, after skimming first 10 pages, has CCP responded at all?
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Lolsof
Defcon One Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:59:00 -
[1071]
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:01:00 -
[1072]
also this thread become a place where we can discuss this issue if you cant post in caod
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:01:00 -
[1073]
Wow, rarely have I seen so much alt posting on the forums.
---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Excello
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:03:00 -
[1074]
Edited by: Excello on 24/03/2009 13:04:11
Originally by: Karezan That's not a neutral stance where you want CCP to apply rules fairly, that's an attempt at using a messy situation and trying to leverage it in such a way you can screw BoB over even more. That's an attempt by BoB's enemies to try and own BoB some more by forum whoring and making ridiculous demands. That has nothing to do with fairness, because the fair approach would be renaming them back and figuring out which GM allowed this to happen and why. [/quote
Ok, Then why have rules if you intend to break them?
CCP EULA is the governance of how CCP manage queries and investigations, When ever CCP need to check somethin, they refer to EULA.
Originally by: Karezan In this case, BoB was disbanded, they lost their name, their sov, everything. They reformed under a new alliance name that they still had lying around somewhere (with the 1b paid for when they created Kenny), and started over at sov 1. They had to reform the alliance on that same day, because it had to be done before DT so sov claiming would start again. They had no time, as an alliance, to discuss a new name or anything of that nature, simply because of the time constraint. Is it really that unreasonable for them to be allowed to now pick a name they like better (however lame it may be), because they didn't have a realistic chance at doing so when they had to emergency reform the alliance? [/quote
Maybe so. However this was a game mechanic to force an alliance to close down, Correct me if im wrong, but CCP are not meant to become involved with internal game politics for ANY reason, This is also stated in EULA just FYI.
Adequate time or not, a game mechanic was used. As i said above CCP should not become involved with in game politics. I dont think its a case of favortism, I think this is a case of bias where none should be. An alliance with strong Dev / GM connections in the past with incidents like T20 print spawns, Reimbursement of supercapitals where no grounds are found. Moon exploits, where 20 control towers are the same in 1 system for the purpose to make dyspro in large amounts. These are just 3 that have been publicly announced. See if CCP are not allowed to, should i ask how much more help has been given to Kenzoku / Band of Brothers alliance in the past that has not became public
CCP have 2 decisions from what i can see. 1: Force BoB to change there name back to Kenzoku and make them play the game just like everyone else. If you want to change your name you disband the alliance like everyone else and not ask for your alliance name to be changed. EULA rules are what CCP standby. or 2: Rename the alliance back to Kenzoku. Dianabolic is one of the directors who even said they didnt care about there name, So why should it need to be changed?
This whole issue is the fact that it is digging up past history where CCP dont want it to go. This statment that CCP will release as to why a non offensive name should be changed should be an interesting read for sure.
I still request CSA to take up this issue with CCP.
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Giant Little
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:06:00 -
[1075]
I for one could never in good conscience vote for the disbanding of an alliance based solely on the fact that they've been renamed as a result of a petition. If this renaming is in fact deemed ĉa developer misconductĉ then at most "Band of Brothers Reloaded" should be renamed "KenZoku" ... disbanding an alliance (any alliance) based on a vote would disturb the balance of the game and have far reaching consequences.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean anybody is watching you...
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Iva Soreass
Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:07:00 -
[1076]
Edited by: Iva Soreass on 24/03/2009 13:07:33
Originally by: GM Grimmi Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and weĈd like to take this opportunity to address those issues.
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
Now cry more or emoragequit about it.
Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal |
t4rg3t
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:07:00 -
[1077]
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Grishius
Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:08:00 -
[1078]
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:09:00 -
[1079]
Originally by: Navaj0 One game One rule.
Bla bla. Get over it people.
First - regarding playerbase and no trust in CCP - I'm part of the playerbase and I don't agree with above remarks. I have plenty of trust in CCP and fixing this name issue does not subtract from that. Claims that this would have not been done for another alliance under similar circumstances are so far unproven.
Names get changed all the time for including offensive words - fixing an annoying consequence of a broken game mechanic is not a bad reason IMHO.
I'm not a member of BoB, never have been a mmeber of any BoB corp - I've never been allied with them or worked closely with them (AFAIR).
But I welcome that they will be recognizable as BoB again. Where exactly is the bad in that?
How many BPs did BoB get pout of this name change? None. Isk? None. Ships? None Dyspro Moons? None. Any other material benefit? None.
There's no real problem here.
That a bored BoB director betrayed them and gave access to Goons is BoBs bad luck. That the Goons used that opportunity is their good luck and quick reaction. Good for them. That they maximized their fun by grabbing the name in a newly created alliance - very goonish - wouldn't expect less from them. Bit of fun too.
But IMHO CCP should have given the name (nothing else of course) back right away. It was an unintended side-effect of game mechanics. Aka a bug. GMs fix effects of bugs via petition all the time.
Of course the same should apply to any alliance that lost their name in the same way to the same bug. Were there any other cases? If such an alliance comes forward and can't get a similar name change - then yes - that would be unfair. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE |
Cerlestes
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:10:00 -
[1080]
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:11:00 -
[1081]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and weĈd like to take this opportunity to address those issues.
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
well stain empire will get 1 bn ISk back ?
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Heather Skarsgard
Alia Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:11:00 -
[1082]
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:12:00 -
[1083]
Quote: Isk? None.
Actually, they saved 1 billion ISK by having CCP do what disbanding and reforming the alliance would've done, as well as *losing* sov, which is what anyone else would've had to do if they wanted their name change
CCP didn't give me back my billion when they decided to frack around with game mechanics. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Mark Marlowe
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:12:00 -
[1084]
Just change the name back to Kenny. ASSCAKE
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CTec
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:13:00 -
[1085]
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Verlestes
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:13:00 -
[1086]
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Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:13:00 -
[1087]
GM Grimmi, who else in the past has been the recipient of such a renaming?
*** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
Xerlestes
Veldspar Trading Company.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:13:00 -
[1088]
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Orii Dakaraa
Veldspar Trading Company.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:14:00 -
[1089]
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Padreic
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:15:00 -
[1090]
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Moneyboi
Veldspar Trading Company.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:16:00 -
[1091]
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:16:00 -
[1092]
Originally by: Cipher7
TBH I'm a little surprised at the Eve population, I thought we were supposed to be a stoic, mature bunch.
Think about this. You're raging about an alliance getting their name changed.
I honestly didn't know we had this many dry vag.inas in Eve, holy smokes someone call President Obama this is an emergency, Kenny got their name back, call the Marines, call the Air Force, send the Seventh Fleet to Sweden, by all things holy this can not stand.
Grow up.
Look on the bright side, you get to kick BoB's arse some more.
What would rather have, fairness or fun?
Grown up people live by rules created by other people. So actually it's more then logical that we protest here, when some people somehow are allowed to live by a different set of rules then us, where we all apperently accepted the same eula and thus the rules created by ccp to play this game.
Kicking bob's arse isn't what this is about at all, if i kick bobr, kenny or bob, it's the players that i like to fight against, so i don't really care that they changed the name, but it annoys me that ccp once again, favors the same alliance which they have favored in the past, to allow something where other alliances had to disband and pay another bil to get their name right.
I mean why have rules in this game, when the company that created them doesn't even live by them. Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
She Zuki
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:17:00 -
[1093]
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Cemic Cemezon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:17:00 -
[1094]
Originally by: Cutie Chaser GM Grimmi, who else in the past has been the recipient of such a renaming?
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Excello
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:17:00 -
[1095]
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494
GM Grimmi i appreciate the fact that you have given a reply. However something you missed is reason behind it.
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deadmaus
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:17:00 -
[1096]
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Vartriiness
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:18:00 -
[1097]
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:18:00 -
[1098]
Originally by: Cutie Chaser GM Grimmi, who else in the past has been the recipient of such a renaming?
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jag
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:20:00 -
[1099]
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JasonKuehn
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:20:00 -
[1100]
Total BS... noone else could have had this done for them.
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Lothar Krellum
Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:22:00 -
[1101]
Originally by: Nick Curso Edited by: Nick Curso on 24/03/2009 03:02:51 Wow 24 pages, keep on crying children. You stamp your feet enough the grown ups might listen honest.
This comment comes as no suprise to me. Grow up Curso. Don't judge us by your standards. Stupid comments like this only make YOU look like a child. Idiot.
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:22:00 -
[1102]
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Originally by: Cipher7
TBH I'm a little surprised at the Eve population, I thought we were supposed to be a stoic, mature bunch.
Think about this. You're raging about an alliance getting their name changed.
I honestly didn't know we had this many dry vag.inas in Eve, holy smokes someone call President Obama this is an emergency, Kenny got their name back, call the Marines, call the Air Force, send the Seventh Fleet to Sweden, by all things holy this can not stand.
Grow up.
Look on the bright side, you get to kick BoB's arse some more.
What would rather have, fairness or fun?
Grown up people live by rules created by other people. So actually it's more then logical that we protest here, when some people somehow are allowed to live by a different set of rules then us, where we all apperently accepted the same eula and thus the rules created by ccp to play this game.
Kicking bob's arse isn't what this is about at all, if i kick bobr, kenny or bob, it's the players that i like to fight against, so i don't really care that they changed the name, but it annoys me that ccp once again, favors the same alliance which they have favored in the past, to allow something where other alliances had to disband and pay another bil to get their name right.
I mean why have rules in this game, when the company that created them doesn't even live by them.
And irl, just like in game, people can find over time that there are reasonable exceptions to rules, possibly even reasonable exceptions that were not accounted for when the rules were written.
What it comes down to is that you trust the entity that is supposed to uphold these rules to use fair judgment in those situations. If you do not trust CCP to do this, why do you keep supporting them by playing their game?
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ggfdfasdgfsfdg
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:22:00 -
[1103]
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:22:00 -
[1104]
Originally by: JasonKuehn Total BS... noone else could have had this done for them.
in all fairness, it's never happened before so that's really just conjecture.
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InnerDrive
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:22:00 -
[1105]
/signed
this has shown OUTRIGHT FAVORATISM and it shoudent be allowed EVER.
this just proves that some ccp are more than just friends with bob , they are bob.
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Puscas Marin
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:23:00 -
[1106]
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Don ZOLA
Vale Tudo.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:23:00 -
[1107]
Shame on you ccp.
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Scarlett2004
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:23:00 -
[1108]
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Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:23:00 -
[1109]
Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 24/03/2009 13:25:57 Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 24/03/2009 13:23:54 I merely ask one question. What was stopping them from changing their alliance name just like any other alliance does? By disbanding their alliance and reforming it, paying the 1 bil ISK and dealing with the sov change?
Because when I can't do stuff which I want to do in-game without causing my current operations great disruption, and losing a significant ISK investment, I suck it up, I don't run off to CCP asking me to do it. ---
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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JointHel
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:24:00 -
[1110]
I support this motion.
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Nevada Tan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:24:00 -
[1111]
Originally by: GM Grimmi Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
To quote Wikipedia - "Citation required"
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digital0verdose
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:25:00 -
[1112]
Nepotism FTL!!!! For shame CCP. Either let this be something any alliance can do or roll back the change and make BoB use the same rules as the rest of us. We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:25:00 -
[1113]
Edited by: ceaon on 24/03/2009 13:24:53
Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 24/03/2009 13:23:54 I merely ask one question. What was stopping them from changing their alliance name just like any other alliance does? By disbanding their alliance and reforming it, paying the 1 bil ISK and dealing with the sov change?
was a way to remove kenzuko from the corp history
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Tiggi Wrath
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:25:00 -
[1114]
i fully support this
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Sibras Freeflight
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:25:00 -
[1115]
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Yourdoom
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:25:00 -
[1116]
One game one rule.
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destinationZERO
Pain Management Services
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:25:00 -
[1117]
Originally by: JasonKuehn Total BS... noone else could have had this done for them.
you should try checking the "Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on"
like your other 1000 buddies~~~~~~~
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Fryrr
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:25:00 -
[1118]
And yet this new GM Grimmi post fails to address the reason why it was done. Why was it "warranted"? What *reasons* were there that they were allowed to bypass the sideeffects of rebranding that everyone else would have to go through?
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:26:00 -
[1119]
Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 24/03/2009 13:23:54 I merely ask one question. What was stopping them from changing their alliance name just like any other alliance does? By disbanding their alliance and reforming it, paying the 1 bil ISK and dealing with the sov change?
they should at least be charged the 1b ISK
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Tradax
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:27:00 -
[1120]
Sorry CCP that answer doesn't cut it. If it was any alliance without a loooong history with CCP it would have worked but regrettably won't work in this case.
A company with a history of game involvement by its employees should know better...
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:27:00 -
[1121]
Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 24/03/2009 13:23:54 I merely ask one question. What was stopping them from changing their alliance name just like any other alliance does? By disbanding their alliance and reforming it, paying the 1 bil ISK and dealing with the sov change?
Because the GMs felt they should not have to suffer that fate.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032494
Hey GMs, I've lost multiple ships to game mechanics such as lag. I don't feel it is fair that I have to use the established mechanic of re-buying/fitting them... please contract me all of my lost ships in 319- please.
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InnerDrive
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:27:00 -
[1122]
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Firdevsi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:27:00 -
[1123]
Edited by: Firdevsi on 24/03/2009 13:30:30
Quote: We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This is the answer given by CCP.
Quote: We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe
KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. And, the name choice of "Kenzoku" was certainly not due to the unavailability of the name "Band of Brothers". It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.
Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42
Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:28:00 -
[1124]
At least we can see how effective the assembly hall is now.
840 supports, and completely swept under the rug by ccp. That is listening to your player base at its finest
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:28:00 -
[1125]
underlying message implies that the earlier goon action which lead to delve war II is started with eula breach itself, else there is no reason to adjust that mentioned "suffering" if any this answer implies not BOB is getting a favor but are goons by not intefeering the first time, which is only corrected by a name change, and not by the punishment deserved for account sharing.
what does puzzle me that i wouldnt want to win any war liek this myself, it would be a victory with a stain forever. Whats next ? bribe ? hacking ? I never had so much fun in eve since war started, not the way it started, but the actual fun the game provides. As Bob directors stated on radio , we love the fight itself, thanks for that. But this time now again, start with "take away their sov" , cause we cant hold on to delve, we get our asses kicked, weeeeee snif, mommieee look their name is changed , weee get a new diaper and login eve instead of forums, and lets blow eachother up
Originally by: Iva Soreass Edited by: Iva Soreass on 24/03/2009 13:07:33
Originally by: GM Grimmi Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and weĈd like to take this opportunity to address those issues.
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
Now cry more or emoragequit about it.
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Gen Mayhem
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:28:00 -
[1126]
Edited by: Gen Mayhem on 24/03/2009 13:28:37
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Lemia
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:28:00 -
[1127]
Special treatment Club.
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Schwarzlicht
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:28:00 -
[1128]
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:29:00 -
[1129]
Originally by: Karezan
And irl, just like in game, people can find over time that there are reasonable exceptions to rules, possibly even reasonable exceptions that were not accounted for when the rules were written.
What it comes down to is that you trust the entity that is supposed to uphold these rules to use fair judgment in those situations. If you do not trust CCP to do this, why do you keep supporting them by playing their game?
If thats maybe true, then why weren't other alliances favored by this rule aswell, from what i read even -a- once had to disband and recreate their alliance, stain empire, which first was named stian empire, wasn't allowed a simple name change. It's the fact that again it's bob(r). I mean the disband happened fully within the game mechanics, no hacking or exploits were used, so why would they be allowed a name change again? That bob at the time was incompetent enough to let an afk director in tinfoil is something bob is supposed to be held responsible for, now they lost most of their systems and also their name, but it is all their own mistake and i don't see why some rules have to be bend.
Also the reason why i still pay and play this game is because of the people in my alliance and corporation, if they would leave, i'd be gone too. Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
Cutie Chaser
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:30:00 -
[1130]
Originally by: Firdevsi
Quote: We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe
KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.
Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42
Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.
/thread
*** Thats a Templar, the amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:31:00 -
[1131]
Originally by: Cutie Chaser GM Grimmi, who else in the past has been the recipient of such a renaming?
This. I don't care if it's GM/customer stuff you don't want to post. This is simple proof or stfu.
Originally by: GM Grimmi The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
So, they chosse Kenzoku as the new alliances name and then petitioned to have the alliance renamed BoBR imediately after? Yeah. Sure.
And even if: why did it take you 2 months to decide to change the name to BoBR? If you have done it before, why didn't you change it right away then? It just smells fishy no matter how you look at it. And its your own fault CCP.
Just don't pull stunts like that if EVE should ever get a half decent competitor. You would start to pay for stuff like that with customers actually leaving for another game.
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Riyal
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:31:00 -
[1132]
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ice3
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:32:00 -
[1133]
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:34:00 -
[1134]
Originally by: Lady Karma At least we can see how effective the assembly hall is now.
840 supports, and completely swept under the rug by ccp. That is listening to your player base at its finest
If 840 supports warranted disbanding an alliance, you might as well turn EVE Online into forum wars online.
Hell, 840 supports is pretty much less than nothing compared to the total population of EVE, and almost all the support is coming from Goons and friends, the alliances currently fighting BoB.
That's like asking the GBC/GKC/ASSCAKES, whatever you want to call them, to vote on whether all of Goonswarm should be banned from the game or not, and expecting a reasonable and unbiased result.
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Trinelise
hirr
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:35:00 -
[1135]
Why did Grimmi not say why they broke the rules and changed the name?
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Toey
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:36:00 -
[1136]
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Arina
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:37:00 -
[1137]
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Rhaegor Stormborn
H A V O C Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:37:00 -
[1138]
Nothing against BoB, but this is unfair and once again showing CCP favortism/cheating for BoB.
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Zhul Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:38:00 -
[1139]
GM Grimmi, thanks for a quick response.
"While we worked onthe petition for about two months we do not feel that they shouldsuffer because of that." Why not, Goons played inside of rules created by CCP. If you feel those rules are not good, just change them..of course in a reasonable time frame.
"Having them disband and lose sovereignty againwas not deemed appropriate in this case." If this would be a noob alliance, than (maybe) yes. But you are talking about a top (?) alliance which just failed at choosing a proper director.
Because of some incidents considering favorism, Eve community is watching you with Argus eyes and thats for good reasons. Trust was slowly building up, but now you again stress it. Why ?? PR ? Whats the real reason ? "we do not feel" doesn't sound like a reason to me.
regards
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Pesky LaRue
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:38:00 -
[1140]
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
posts like this are the reason you guys draw so much heat - you might be right, this might be a poor game mechanic but if CCP will do this for YOU, they should do it for EVERYONE - coming here after the fact and saying "the game's broken (but it got fixed JUST for us) so deal with it" just shows what a tard you are.
never met anyone from BoB and wouldn't really care except that this is just plain favoritism.
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Alrar Manq
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:38:00 -
[1141]
Originally by: corebloodbrothers underlying message implies that the earlier goon action which lead to delve war II is started with eula breach itself, else there is no reason to adjust that mentioned "suffering" if any this answer implies not BOB is getting a favor but are goons by not intefeering the first time, which is only corrected by a name change, and not by the punishment deserved for account sharing.
what does puzzle me that i wouldnt want to win any war liek this myself, it would be a victory with a stain forever. Whats next ? bribe ? hacking ? I never had so much fun in eve since war started, not the way it started, but the actual fun the game provides. As Bob directors stated on radio , we love the fight itself, thanks for that. But this time now again, start with "take away their sov" , cause we cant hold on to delve, we get our asses kicked, weeeeee snif, mommieee look their name is changed , weee get a new diaper and login eve instead of forums, and lets blow eachother up
Originally by: Iva Soreass Edited by: Iva Soreass on 24/03/2009 13:07:33
Originally by: GM Grimmi Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and weĈd like to take this opportunity to address those issues.
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
GM Grimmi
Lead Game Master
Now cry more or emoragequit about it.
Christ, learn to proof-read.
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Alexander Nergal
Three Pony
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:39:00 -
[1142]
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irion felpamy
Minmatar HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:39:00 -
[1143]
Originally by: Cutie Chaser
Originally by: Firdevsi
Quote: We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe
KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.
Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42
Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.
/thread
Its not fair BOB should suffer for there mistakes, thats just for the other alliances who should only exist to entertain them --- official CCP policy.
****poor GM spin/damage control is ****poor.
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InnerSphere
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:39:00 -
[1144]
This day you have showed insane favoratism towards a specific entity ccp , as far i know isent that against ur own rules of conduct? GMS/ISD and other CCP personel cannot make exceptions like this can they?
Might aswell not have any rules if one your friends contacts you on msn (sir molle) and asks you to do something and you do it.
Ever thought about how it makes you look?
The eve community thats aware of what favoratism happened today (any right minded person) does not agree to what you have done. Why do you do it?
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Roscoe Rhoads
Mont Pelerin Society
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:39:00 -
[1145]
Travesty. Again. -- Human action is purposeful behavior. |
Seth Quantix
Domination. PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:40:00 -
[1146]
Edited by: Seth Quantix on 24/03/2009 13:41:28 LMAO
Pathetic!!!
Its a game, move on. Whats the real issue here?
I for one am real happy aboutt this as I get to see the kids wining.....Go BOB....haha -----------------------------------------------
The NC final solution:
Quote: rawr-vuk-lau: can we set BoB blue so we can kill Tri together?
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Necronomicon
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:40:00 -
[1147]
As of the day BoB Died and Kenzoku was populated by Ex BoB Corps, the new alliance should as of today have been pegged back to 1st day sov claim. At a simple level, to see that a system was Alliance A Sov 3, then after DT it is Allaince B Sov 3 is against every sov mechanic in the game.
Regardless of the ramifications for the alliance previously known as BoB, your change in the database should have instigated a new entry for sov and set them back. Seems that your relationship with this alliance is still as strong as ever.
And don't use the 'not intefering' with the initial flattening of BoB as some form of equality PR stunt, you had no grounds to help as everything was done within your own rules and mechanics. They screwed up, GS pounced on that, they usd bugged sov mechanics to create a foothold back, GS scuppered that on them as well - using in game rules and mechanics.
Bob have done NOTHING up to now, and have NOTHING done to them to qualify for ANY special treatment...nothing.
KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:41:00 -
[1148]
THIS IS WRONG its just another attempt to beat the system and please don't say "PUSHING THE BUTTON AGAIN" we are talking about another failure of ccp to work to there own rules. when are we going to get an official statement without the hurf bluf
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Chian XinLian
Darwin's Contraptions
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:42:00 -
[1149]
Got a petition going for my own alliance renaming. If KenZoku/BoBR can be renamed - why not me?
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:43:00 -
[1150]
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Grown up people live by rules created by other people. So actually it's more then logical that we protest here, when some people somehow are allowed to live by a different set of rules then us, where we all apperently accepted the same eula and thus the rules created by ccp to play this game.
Kicking bob's arse isn't what this is about at all, if i kick bobr, kenny or bob, it's the players that i like to fight against, so i don't really care that they changed the name, but it annoys me that ccp once again, favors the same alliance which they have favored in the past, to allow something where other alliances had to disband and pay another bil to get their name right.
I mean why have rules in this game, when the company that created them doesn't even live by them.
Real grown ups don't have rules, real grown ups also don't believe in rights, santa clause or the tooth fairy.
Not that it matters but on what do you base a claim of favoritism?
CCP has renamed alliances before, and they'll do it again in the future on a case-by-case basis.
So yeah, feel free to call the WAAAAAAAAAmbulance just don't expect anything to change.
Personally I still say the "reloaded" name is dumb and Kenzoku was better, they basically got downgraded to a crappier name. ---
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Kay Han
Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:44:00 -
[1151]
Doesnt matter if i like BoB / Kenny / BoBR / beaver whatever.
But this is just a Giant Joke....
CCP is gone one step to far with this ****.
Originally by: CCP Atropos Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:44:00 -
[1152]
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Originally by: Karezan
And irl, just like in game, people can find over time that there are reasonable exceptions to rules, possibly even reasonable exceptions that were not accounted for when the rules were written.
What it comes down to is that you trust the entity that is supposed to uphold these rules to use fair judgment in those situations. If you do not trust CCP to do this, why do you keep supporting them by playing their game?
If thats maybe true, then why weren't other alliances favored by this rule aswell, from what i read even -a- once had to disband and recreate their alliance, stain empire, which first was named stian empire, wasn't allowed a simple name change. It's the fact that again it's bob(r). I mean the disband happened fully within the game mechanics, no hacking or exploits were used, so why would they be allowed a name change again? That bob at the time was incompetent enough to let an afk director in tinfoil is something bob is supposed to be held responsible for, now they lost most of their systems and also their name, but it is all their own mistake and i don't see why some rules have to be bend.
Also the reason why i still pay and play this game is because of the people in my alliance and corporation, if they would leave, i'd be gone too.
Well, this is a different situation in the sense that they did lose all sov, and they did pay 1b for a new alliance. It's just that they didn't do the disbanding, someone else did, and they didn't change to the alliance with the name they wanted, but a temp one that has now been renamed to what they wanted.
I can agree that this is a messy situation, but CCP felt it was justified, and I doubt this decision was simply made because it's BoB. If you feel CCP is still biased, and after all the past outcries still favors BoB more than anyone else, then pretty much all you can do is quit. Complaining like this while you keep paying/playing doesn't help that much. If I am to believe the accusations, it certainly didn't help in the past (since BoB is still CCP's favorite apparently, despite all past incidents).
If I never showed up for work, but got paid every month anyway, with the only downside being that my boss calls me once a month to let me know he's not very happy with me not showing up, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too concerned about showing up any time soon. :P
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: corebloodbrothers underlying message implies that the earlier goon action which lead to delve war II is started with eula breach itself, else there is no reason to adjust that mentioned "suffering" if any this answer implies not BOB is getting a favor but are goons by not intefeering the first time, which is only corrected by a name change, and not by the punishment deserved for account sharing.
what does puzzle me that i wouldnt want to win any war liek this myself, it would be a victory with a stain forever. Whats next ? bribe ? hacking ? I never had so much fun in eve since war started, not the way it started, but the actual fun the game provides. As Bob directors stated on radio , we love the fight itself, thanks for that.
What EULA breach? If CCP found that any wrong doing they would have reset the BoB disband and gave them Delve back. Since there were no rules broken they did not give them BoB back.
This new alliance is a whole different issue. If it isn't and CCP is bending the rules because of the BoB disband then that is a whole different can of worms.
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Nox'Beldrath
Mayven Omni Gestalt
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:45:00 -
[1154]
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Dallan Arethi
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:46:00 -
[1155]
Grimmi, we all know that you've changed names that have been petitioned for being offensive, just like the policy says.
What we don't know is when you've made exceptions and changed names for being stolen, or misspelled, or anything short of the reasons in your policy - and in fact, the game's history provides plenty of examples of refusals to do so (Stian Alliance is the best example, but didn't Ethereal Dawn get namejacked once and have to disband and reform once their name freed up again?).
This entire controversy would probably vanish if you could point to examples where you've made this exception for anyone besides BOB/RKZ/BOBR. Where are they?
And why does it take two months to address a name change petition anyway? I have to assume that somebody suspected that it would cause a ****-storm and you had to deliberate over it - why didn't you listen to them? |
Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:46:00 -
[1156]
so why was stain empire which typoed their name to "stian empire" not allowed a free rename without paying a billion isk, losing sov etc back in the day? can someone answer
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Cas Renn
Three Pony
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:48:00 -
[1157]
One rule for all. |
Walmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:52:00 -
[1158]
Hell, why not. |
bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:52:00 -
[1159]
lol so what your saying is if ccp said "ok guys we are going to give 1 alliance all the advantage and you can all go to the dogs you wouldnt complain just quit give up and play wow lol NO you would complain and that is what peeps are doing this is a breach of the rules and it should be treated as such
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irion felpamy
Minmatar HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:52:00 -
[1160]
Originally by: Karezan
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Originally by: Karezan
And irl, just like in game, people can find over time that there are reasonable exceptions to rules, possibly even reasonable exceptions that were not accounted for when the rules were written.
What it comes down to is that you trust the entity that is supposed to uphold these rules to use fair judgment in those situations. If you do not trust CCP to do this, why do you keep supporting them by playing their game?
If thats maybe true, then why weren't other alliances favored by this rule aswell, from what i read even -a- once had to disband and recreate their alliance, stain empire, which first was named stian empire, wasn't allowed a simple name change. It's the fact that again it's bob(r). I mean the disband happened fully within the game mechanics, no hacking or exploits were used, so why would they be allowed a name change again? That bob at the time was incompetent enough to let an afk director in tinfoil is something bob is supposed to be held responsible for, now they lost most of their systems and also their name, but it is all their own mistake and i don't see why some rules have to be bend.
Also the reason why i still pay and play this game is because of the people in my alliance and corporation, if they would leave, i'd be gone too.
Well, this is a different situation in the sense that they did lose all sov, and they did pay 1b for a new alliance. It's just that they didn't do the disbanding, someone else did, and they didn't change to the alliance with the name they wanted, but a temp one that has now been renamed to what they wanted.
I can agree that this is a messy situation, but CCP felt it was justified, and I doubt this decision was simply made because it's BoB. If you feel CCP is still biased, and after all the past outcries still favors BoB more than anyone else, then pretty much all you can do is quit. Complaining like this while you keep paying/playing doesn't help that much. If I am to believe the accusations, it certainly didn't help in the past (since BoB is still CCP's favorite apparently, despite all past incidents).
If I never showed up for work, but got paid every month anyway, with the only downside being that my boss calls me once a month to let me know he's not very happy with me not showing up, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too concerned about showing up any time soon. :P
Well the problem is if all of NC/goons cancelled their accounts today if they got their way and came back they would have a lot less to come back to and we all know it. The obvious solution is to make as much noise/disruption as they can and give CCP a real problem to solve unfortunatly we all remember how bitter CCP got when GS hot dropped a threadnought onto their forums, my advice is to make sure every player who thinks this is a **** move to post somewhere so that CCP realise people are annoyed at this favouratism.
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:52:00 -
[1161]
Originally by: Karezan Well, this is a different situation in the sense that they did lose all sov, and they did pay 1b for a new alliance. It's just that they didn't do the disbanding, someone else did, and they didn't change to the alliance with the name they wanted, but a temp one that has now been renamed to what they wanted.
I can agree that this is a messy situation, but CCP felt it was justified, and I doubt this decision was simply made because it's BoB. If you feel CCP is still biased, and after all the past outcries still favors BoB more than anyone else, then pretty much all you can do is quit. Complaining like this while you keep paying/playing doesn't help that much. If I am to believe the accusations, it certainly didn't help in the past (since BoB is still CCP's favorite apparently, despite all past incidents).
If I never showed up for work, but got paid every month anyway, with the only downside being that my boss calls me once a month to let me know he's not very happy with me not showing up, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too concerned about showing up any time soon. :P
Why did they use a temp alliance and not create a new one with the correct name? Because it would have taken time, time spent not gaining Sov in systems. So they quickly jump in this temp alliance to circumvent the delay... then petition CCP to change their name to what they wanted in the first place.
"I don't like my name" has never been a valid reason for CCP to change any Player, Corp or Alliance name. Hell, there are Alliances with valid reasons to have their name changed that have had their petitions denied since the game was released. (i.e. an Alliance with 2 spaces in their name, which causes all kinds of problems)
There are mechanics in place to allow for a name change. They have consequences that everyone else in the game has to deal with... except Kenzoku.
:ccp:
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Saggy Glands
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:53:00 -
[1162]
Not Supported.
It's obvious from the childish stamping of feet and the crying of rivers via the usual goonish forum spamming, that they feel their only true victory was the identity theft. This is what upsets them, the whole CCP LUVZ BOBZ & HATEZ UZ is just a too obvious feint.
When you cut through all the bull and rationalizing, when push comes to shove, the corp the goons made to steal the BOB identity was just that. A corp created to steal BOB's identity. "WELL THEY WEREN'T IN DA DATABASES!" Yeah, sure. Everyone knows who BOB is and you're not them. You were therefore impersonating another group of folks, which is against the letter and spirit of the rules.
I am glad to see Bob get their identity back in some fashion.
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Hypan
Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:55:00 -
[1163]
i petitioned to have an alt change name, this was done 2 months after this birth. i was told that he was to old to have his name changed.
kennny was over 3 months old when they petitioned and they got thier name changed.
CCP, 1 rule for all, not just for BOB
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Valkazm
Amarr Russian Specnaz Red Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:55:00 -
[1164]
i support this .
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:56:00 -
[1165]
Originally by: Kay Han
CCP is gone one step to far with this ****.
you and others need some perspective... too far?
it's a name
little ASCII characters that mean absolutely nothing in terms of the game.
In fact I'd support ANY petitioned corp or alliance change. There is no real reason NOT to, as it doesn't change anything but in this case going from one stupid name to one even more asinine.
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:57:00 -
[1166]
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Naming_Policies There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason. Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies From KB "Please keep in mind that the names cannot be changed after you have created the account, character or corporation so please take care what you name them."
Look out for wiki changes to incorporate latest action into ruleset.
Load of crap, i cannot even get a capital 'c'.
Selective rules for selected alliances. BRAVO -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box |
Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:57:00 -
[1167]
If BoB wanted their identity back why didn't they use the name BoB reloaded in the first place? If they made the decision to join the Kenzoku alliance to get sov1 back immediately they should be held to stick with that decision and not get to change their name to bob reloaded on a whim by breaking the rules
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sugark
Invicta. Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:57:00 -
[1168]
I don't support this. Sadly there is no "thumbs down" thingie to tick. _______________________________________________
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:57:00 -
[1169]
Just ban all goons. Nobody will cry for them.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:58:00 -
[1170]
Supporting
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Petar Quaresma
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:59:00 -
[1171]
Disband the cheaters known as Kengoku Reloaded
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Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:59:00 -
[1172]
Edited by: Lin Bao on 24/03/2009 14:01:41 edit: double post
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:00:00 -
[1173]
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 13:59:57 Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 13:59:40 I find it kinda funny there are people supporting this, but also supporting CCP allowing a Titan in Amarr.
So...
rules?
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Thimerion
BulletProof Monks Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:00:00 -
[1174]
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Farina Larros
Gulliver Corp Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:01:00 -
[1175]
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Cal Hydar
DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:01:00 -
[1176]
I hate Goons, but seriously CCP? Just rename the game to BOB Online already...
PS - What ****es me off the most is the lack of an explanation. Grow a pair, face your community, and explain your actions. -------- sig here |
Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:01:00 -
[1177]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
it's a name
little ASCII characters that mean absolutely nothing in terms of the game.
actually they mean quite a bit. the reason bob chose kenzoku was because they could get sov1 back immediately. if they really wanted to be Bob reloaded so much they should have made that alliance and faced the consequences: no immediate sov and the advantages that came with it
now they get to change their name without paying alliance fee, without losing the remaining sov they have...obviously it does have in-game effects
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Zyxphoni
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:02:00 -
[1178]
I support this
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Donatien de'Sade
Ars Notoria
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:02:00 -
[1179]
Why is it that CCP are singularly incapable of appreciating that consistently showing extreme bias towards one group within their game reflects poorly on them as individuals and as a company. The pathetic defence for their various actions - re-writing the rules, censorship and whitewashing are galling.
Now, if I was in .BoB., I would be laughing (as their members are on the forums). This level of direct company support, and blatant support at that, is simply unheard of.
And if I was a goon, I would be laughing (at the CCP given opportunity to lampoon both bob and its CCP members)
Restricting debate to caod (cesspool) and a miss-named thread in assembly, combined with an utterly trite statement from Grimmi and Mitnal in his over-zealous locking, shows that damage control is already in full swing. I noticed that Wrangler could not quite contain his joy at goon tears
One day, after EvE as been and gone, I would hope that the Devs would list all their characters in game, sadly I expect some would be so controversial, they could not bring themselves to reveal them all..
All jolly good fun really .. In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move |
Couldbe Acrackhead
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:03:00 -
[1180]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines allowing a Titan in Amarr.
what? proof or stfu?
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:03:00 -
[1181]
Originally by: Lin Bao
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
it's a name
little ASCII characters that mean absolutely nothing in terms of the game.
actually they mean quite a bit. the reason bob chose kenzoku was because they could get sov1 back immediately. if they really wanted to be Bob reloaded so much they should have made that alliance and faced the consequences: no immediate sov and the advantages that came with it
now they get to change their name without paying alliance fee, without losing the remaining sov they have...obviously it does have in-game effects
The entire alliance was changed, it's not as if kenny was replaced by beaver, it's still just a name change.
the thing is, that when you look down at it all... it's. just. a. name.
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Janitor II
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:04:00 -
[1182]
I don't know but I sense nothing will change. Also I am sorry CSM Team, but I think your hands are tied for such thing.
Wondering how long it will take to CCP provide us players true transparency. Bring this news to BBC and show the world how connected CCP and BOB are. I am pretty sure it would be nice if BBC post another news like "CCP broke it's own rules and helped BOB to reborn".
I don't care if it's done before, but it was not transparent to players.
Discussing ...
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Melechesh
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:04:00 -
[1183]
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:05:00 -
[1184]
Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 14:06:03
Originally by: Couldbe Acrackhead
Originally by: Vincent Gaines allowing a Titan in Amarr.
what? proof or stfu?
Three threads down or so.
The same people moaning about CCP favorism at "breaking a rule" support having Chribba moving his Titan to Amarr, thus "breaking a rule"
so u
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George Clinton
Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:05:00 -
[1185]
they should have to disband if they want a new name, this is complete bull****
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Cefte
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 -
[1186]
Quote: KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. And, the name choice of "Kenzoku" was certainly not due to the unavailability of the name "Band of Brothers". It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.
Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42
Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.
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Break Stuff
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 -
[1187]
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 -
[1188]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk
Grown up people live by rules created by other people. So actually it's more then logical that we protest here, when some people somehow are allowed to live by a different set of rules then us, where we all apperently accepted the same eula and thus the rules created by ccp to play this game.
Kicking bob's arse isn't what this is about at all, if i kick bobr, kenny or bob, it's the players that i like to fight against, so i don't really care that they changed the name, but it annoys me that ccp once again, favors the same alliance which they have favored in the past, to allow something where other alliances had to disband and pay another bil to get their name right.
I mean why have rules in this game, when the company that created them doesn't even live by them.
Real grown ups don't have rules, real grown ups also don't believe in rights, santa clause or the tooth fairy.
Not that it matters but on what do you base a claim of favoritism?
CCP has renamed alliances before, and they'll do it again in the future on a case-by-case basis.
So yeah, feel free to call the WAAAAAAAAAmbulance just don't expect anything to change.
Personally I still say the "reloaded" name is dumb and Kenzoku was better, they basically got downgraded to a crappier name.
Uhm i'm not sure in which country you live, but here in the Netherlands we have something called laws and people here also have certain rights, maybe you support some anarchy party, but i still believe i have to live by certain laws and i also have certain rights, you know the right to vote is one of those.
CCP as far as i know have only renamed alliances that had an offensive name, other alliances like i said before had to disband and be recreated. Kenzoku is as far as i know not offensive at all, since it means something like family or something, so i don't see why they get their name changed for free.
And favoritism, i think t20 is the best example about a ccp's employee's favoritism towards an alliance. I'm not saying everyone in ccp support bob, at least i surely hope not, or favor bob, but there are still certain ppl apparently that think it's ok to bend the rules created by ccp. Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
Excello
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 -
[1189]
Does CCP report to any external authority with regards to how they conduct business?
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Hiro Vongola
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:07:00 -
[1190]
GMs i think you guys have forgotten to write this somewhere in the EULA : "All the crap written above doesn't work for Band of BrothersĴ, Band of Brothers ReloadedĴ, KenzokuĴ, Band of Brothers RevengeĴ[...]" If you have done that you wouldn't try to find some crappy reasons to justify what you just have done.
Just to remember a few things: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424
Quote: As you might have read and heard, there were recently some allegations posted regarding developer misconduct that basically come down to:
* Developers helping (an) alliance(s) gain information they otherwise would not have. * Developers having an unfair advantage of game mechanics. * Developers helping themselves acquire goods in-game by means of in-house tools, otherwise not available to regular players.
* Developers having an unfair advantage of game mechanics. Go tell the new and old players, Stian Empire that 1 billion isn't "an unfair advantage of game mechanics" and i'm not talking about players' time and energy they put to set an alliance even if it's all about a rename
Point of view of a new player.
You just fail
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Tuttomenui I
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:09:00 -
[1191]
I had my corperation name changed through petition long before this. I accidently misspelled the name i wanted and I petitioned it within minutes of creating the corperation, and it was changed by a GM within 30minutes.
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:09:00 -
[1192]
Originally by: Yonker
Originally by: Karezan Well, this is a different situation in the sense that they did lose all sov, and they did pay 1b for a new alliance. It's just that they didn't do the disbanding, someone else did, and they didn't change to the alliance with the name they wanted, but a temp one that has now been renamed to what they wanted.
I can agree that this is a messy situation, but CCP felt it was justified, and I doubt this decision was simply made because it's BoB. If you feel CCP is still biased, and after all the past outcries still favors BoB more than anyone else, then pretty much all you can do is quit. Complaining like this while you keep paying/playing doesn't help that much. If I am to believe the accusations, it certainly didn't help in the past (since BoB is still CCP's favorite apparently, despite all past incidents).
If I never showed up for work, but got paid every month anyway, with the only downside being that my boss calls me once a month to let me know he's not very happy with me not showing up, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too concerned about showing up any time soon. :P
Why did they use a temp alliance and not create a new one with the correct name? Because it would have taken time, time spent not gaining Sov in systems. So they quickly jump in this temp alliance to circumvent the delay... then petition CCP to change their name to what they wanted in the first place.
"I don't like my name" has never been a valid reason for CCP to change any Player, Corp or Alliance name. Hell, there are Alliances with valid reasons to have their name changed that have had their petitions denied since the game was released. (i.e. an Alliance with 2 spaces in their name, which causes all kinds of problems)
There are mechanics in place to allow for a name change. They have consequences that everyone else in the game has to deal with... except Kenzoku.
:ccp:
Which is probably the exact reason why the rename was allowed. They had to emergency reform in a (now proven to be pointless) attempt to start regaining sov right away. They did not have adequate time to pick a new name for their alliance, and ended up being allowed a rename because of this (or at least I believe this to be the thought process behind it).
I'm guessing the key thing here is that they did lose all sov and pay 1b when BoB was disbanded. They requested this change at the time, and it took 2 months for GM's to decide. They just didn't form under the new name they wanted, because they didn't have time to. Yes it's still an exception to the rules, but they did suffer the downsides (paying another 1b and losing all sov), even if they never planned for it. I'm guessing that's where the 2 month comment comes from, the loss of sov was 2 months ago (at the time of the petition), and the decision was only made now.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:09:00 -
[1193]
Originally by: Tuttomenui I I had my corperation name changed through petition long before this. I accidently misspelled the name i wanted and I petitioned it within minutes of creating the corperation, and it was changed by a GM within 30minutes.
So I do not support this.
no, you must be a BoB alt
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 -
[1194]
Originally by: Cal Hydar I hate Goons, but seriously CCP? Just rename the game to BOB Online already...
PS - What ****es me off the most is the lack of an explanation. Grow a pair, face your community, and explain your actions.
Actually the explanation is there now, go read it. :P
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Lag Generator
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 -
[1195]
I don't care what that alliance call themselves, but this is not fair.
Nobody's gotten their name or their corporation's name changed before, it says so in CCP's rules that they can't. If Kenzoku wanted to reform as BOBR, they had to have dropped the alliance and reformed.
Not to mention Kenzoku was an existing alliance separate from BoB before BoB was disbanded, so there's no reason why they should've gotten the name of BoB(R) in the first place.
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Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 -
[1196]
Edited by: Lin Bao on 24/03/2009 14:11:13
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
The entire alliance was changed, it's not as if kenny was replaced by beaver, it's still just a name change.
the thing is, that when you look down at it all... it's. just. a. name.
a. name. which. has. effects. in. game. with. respect. to. sovereignity.
if they cared about their identity so much they should've created bob reloaded in the first place, they didn't and chose to use the alt alliance kenzoku which made sense strategically for sov reasons. they chose sov over 'identity', it was their decision
now they're getting preferential treatment to change their name on a whim that no other alliance has ever gotten, keeping their remaining sov while being allowed to change their name. it is absolute bull****
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Excello
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 -
[1197]
Originally by: Cefte
Quote: KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. And, the name choice of "Kenzoku" was certainly not due to the unavailability of the name "Band of Brothers". It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.
Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42
Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.
This is spot on, CCP claim that the name was filed for a change before the disband of BoB. However Kenzoku alliance was made 3 months before BoB was destroyed. So please clarify this one. BoB corps joined Kenzoku to regain Sov. Not to get away from a name, Their Kenzoku alliance still has Origional corps in this alliance due to it being a pet project.
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 24/03/2009 14:06:03
Originally by: Couldbe Acrackhead
Originally by: Vincent Gaines allowing a Titan in Amarr.
what? proof or stfu?
Three threads down or so.
The same people moaning about CCP favorism at "breaking a rule" support having Chribba moving his Titan to Amarr, thus "breaking a rule"
so u
Jesus, pubbies are stupid.
Chribba has a Titan in Amarr space because it was created before the mechanic to keep them out was implemented. There are no 'Rules' that say "Don't bring a supercap into Empire" there are just mechanics that make it impossible currently.
(Hint: If there was a rule that said no supercaps in Empire, CCP could just move it.)
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Hypan
Amarr Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tuttomenui I I had my corperation name changed through petition long before this. I accidently misspelled the name i wanted and I petitioned it within minutes of creating the corperation, and it was changed by a GM within 30minutes.
So I do not support this.
ok so 30mins isnt 3 months. is that your point?
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 -
[1200]
I got my name changed too but only after I got my previous name nerfed.
Free Lube Myholes
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Gruff MacGruff
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:11:00 -
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Cal Hydar
DAB PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Karezan
Originally by: Cal Hydar I hate Goons, but seriously CCP? Just rename the game to BOB Online already...
PS - What ****es me off the most is the lack of an explanation. Grow a pair, face your community, and explain your actions.
Actually the explanation is there now, go read it. :P
Just did and I am changing my support. The explanation makes sense. -------- sig here |
lupus belli
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: lupus belli on 24/03/2009 14:14:22 I support this
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Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tuttomenui I I had my corperation name changed through petition long before this. I accidently misspelled the name i wanted and I petitioned it within minutes of creating the corperation, and it was changed by a GM within 30minutes.
So I do not support this.
in what crazy world is 'kenzoku' a misspelling of 'band of brothers reloaded' ?
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yonker
Jesus, pubbies are stupid.
Chribba has a Titan in Amarr space because it was created before the mechanic to keep them out was implemented. There are no 'Rules' that say "Don't bring a supercap into Empire" there are just mechanics that make it impossible currently.
(Hint: If there was a rule that said no supercaps in Empire, CCP could just move it.)
I hate to say this, but just as I got liking you, you say something this idiotic
Chribba has a dread in Amarr, not a Titan. The Titan was just finished and there are people supporting MOVING it to Amarr.
And just as those mechanics are in place, so are the sov mechanics- mind you the sov dropping upon name change is a MECHANIC, not a rule.
Also, I might not be a pubbie.
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Endis
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:16:00 -
[1206]
Edited by: Endis on 24/03/2009 14:18:13 Who has written the CCP EULA rules if you have the ability and decision to break them on a whim when something is needed to change?
You need an answer you community as posted above by someone else. Saying 1 thing that is faulse and giving no evidence or a reasonable reason behind any change is a disregard to any rules which govern the CCP / White Wolf firm
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:17:00 -
[1207]
Originally by: Lin Bao Edited by: Lin Bao on 24/03/2009 14:11:13
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
The entire alliance was changed, it's not as if kenny was replaced by beaver, it's still just a name change.
the thing is, that when you look down at it all... it's. just. a. name.
a. name. which. has. effects. in. game. with. respect. to. sovereignity.
if they cared about their identity so much they should've created bob reloaded in the first place, they didn't and chose to use the alt alliance kenzoku which made sense strategically for sov reasons. they chose sov over 'identity', it was their decision
now they're getting preferential treatment to change their name on a whim that no other alliance has ever gotten, keeping their remaining sov while being allowed to change their name. it is absolute bull****
No alliance has had thier name changed, however many corps and characters have.
The thing is, this situation has never happened before, where an alliance wanted to change thier name.
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Donatien de'Sade
Ars Notoria
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:17:00 -
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The new name also breaches the naming convention? 25 letters instead of 24?
Needs changing again then, maybe to something a bit better? In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move |
Myz Toyou
Ministry of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:18:00 -
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Tbh it`s nothing wrong with changing the name CCP, whats wrong is that you once again showed your bias. Even with Kenny having just a few towers deployed, if they had choosen the regular way all ships/cap ships would have be ejected from the POSses and standings in general would be messed up.
Once again you played in God mode CCP. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo |
Sir Cuddles
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:18:00 -
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Ranik Sandaris
The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:18:00 -
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: Yonker on 24/03/2009 14:20:12 Edited by: Yonker on 24/03/2009 14:19:43
Originally by: Karezan Which is probably the exact reason why the rename was allowed. They had to emergency reform in a (now proven to be pointless) attempt to start regaining sov right away. They did not have adequate time to pick a new name for their alliance, and ended up being allowed a rename because of this (or at least I believe this to be the thought process behind it).
I'm guessing the key thing here is that they did lose all sov and pay 1b when BoB was disbanded. They requested this change at the time, and it took 2 months for GM's to decide. They just didn't form under the new name they wanted, because they didn't have time to. Yes it's still an exception to the rules, but they did suffer the downsides (paying another 1b and losing all sov), even if they never planned for it. I'm guessing that's where the 2 month comment comes from, the loss of sov was 2 months ago (at the time of the petition), and the decision was only made now.
So you're saying if they waited to re-form their Alliance... the consequence would have been that they would have lost Sov correct?
In order to re-form quickly they had to use this already created Alliance with a different name, right?
So, they had a choice... either lose Sov, or lose their name. They made a choice to keep sov.
So what rule is it that says if you don't like the consequence of your decision... CCP will adjust the game to fit your needs? I'm sure A LOT of scammed people would like to petition CCP under this new rule of "Not having to take responsibility for your actions".
Quote: Chribba has a dread in Amarr, not a Titan.
Whatever, capital/supercapital veldspar mining craft.
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Kalilabr
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:19:00 -
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Bloedkopp
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:20:00 -
[1214]
Originally by: Sir Cuddles you need to click that little box saying: Support this topic:
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Goblincat
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:21:00 -
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Rules are rules. I say give them the choice to either disband and reform, or go back to the old name. |
Lonak Silu
GeoCorp. Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:21:00 -
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Supporting this after not being convinced by the GM explanation. Favoritism is unacceptable in a MMO.
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Kaliyara
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:23:00 -
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No free go backs for Bob - one rule for all! |
Jmanis Catharg
Caldari Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:23:00 -
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I present something else to the table.
Originally by: GM Grimmi The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that.
While we worked on the petition for two months? I don't know about anyone else, but for me as a software developer who provided a support service to it's customers, two months is $4000 in wages for this support.
How can that be even remotely justified???
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Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: Lin Bao on 24/03/2009 14:23:23
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
No alliance has had thier name changed, however many corps and characters have.
The thing is, this situation has never happened before, where an alliance wanted to change thier name.
'stian' empire (or 'stian' alliance, can't remember which) made a typo and wanted to change their alliance name to stain empire/alliance. they had to disband and remake it because ccp wouldn't let them
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Iron Jaw
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Iron Jaw on 24/03/2009 14:26:12 Anything wrong with changeing the name... no, not if CCP would do this for everyone.
However, WOULD CCP do it for anyone else... NO
Therfore, SIGNED.
I spent over 3 years in a corp that had a Typo, CCP wouldnt change it.
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cutie Chaser GM Grimmi, who else in the past has been the recipient of such a renaming?
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Perpello
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:26:00 -
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I feel very frustrated! And maddened too!
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DemosDemon
Silent Wrath Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:26:00 -
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Alrar Manq
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:26:00 -
[1224]
Originally by: Cal Hydar
Originally by: Karezan
Originally by: Cal Hydar I hate Goons, but seriously CCP? Just rename the game to BOB Online already...
PS - What ****es me off the most is the lack of an explanation. Grow a pair, face your community, and explain your actions.
Actually the explanation is there now, go read it. :P
Just did and I am changing my support. The explanation makes sense.
Quote: KenZoku was not an alliance created after BoB was disbanded. And, the name choice of "Kenzoku" was certainly not due to the unavailability of the name "Band of Brothers". It was an industrial-alt alliance used by Reikoku.
Alliance creation date: 2008.12.08 23:42
Ex-BoB corps joined Kenzoku to get sov back asap. CCP says that the petition for name change came when BoB was disbanded, which means the name change petition dates almost 3 months after the creation of Kenzoku alliance. 3 months is not a petition made within a reasonable timeframe. GM's logic fails, just the way CCP does once again by favoring BoB and interpreting the rules for BoB's benefit.
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg I present something else to the table.
Originally by: GM Grimmi The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that.
While we worked on the petition for two months? I don't know about anyone else, but for me as a software developer who provided a support service to it's customers, two months is $4000 in wages for this support.
How can that be even remotely justified???
UPDATE statements take a long time to formulate. Hell, it took me 12 hours to type that first sentance.
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Kearl
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kearl on 24/03/2009 14:31:49 Pure and utter crap to rename them GM Grimmi.
"While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that."
stupid people suffer in eve ALL THE TIME.. why should it be no different for them ?
You guys are 1 sided and bias regardless what fancy propaganda you spin on it.
I agree it should be removed.
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Doorsdown
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:28:00 -
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:28:00 -
[1228]
Originally by: Yonker
Quote: Chribba has a dread in Amarr, not a Titan.
Whatever, capital/supercapital veldspar mining craft.
did you forget the rest of what I said or just decide to ignore it?
Chribba's DREAD was in Amarr prior to the lowsec restriction.
Those that are crying "OMG CCP are breaking rules" support breaking those rules... these mechanics (because the big issue is the sov 3 in a few systems, right?)
So it's ok to overlook mechanics for one individual, but not to an alliance, be it BoB, Stian, or whatever else. I see.
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Iron Jaw
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:30:00 -
[1229]
Is the 3rd BoB gonna be called 'Band Of Brothers REVOLUTIONS?'
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Toninu
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:31:00 -
[1230]
I always wanted to have a surname but I misclicked early.
Can I have that fixed please? Thanks.
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Jeugdrecht
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:33:00 -
[1231]
Originally by: Goblincat Rules are rules. I say give them the choice to either disband and reform, or go back to the old name.
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Dragqueeninspace
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:33:00 -
[1232]
Originally by: Lonak Silu Supporting this after not being convinced by the GM explanation. Favoritism is unacceptable in a MMO.
CCP's actions display a distinct lack of class
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Sir Logoffski
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Logoffski on 24/03/2009 14:34:21 Edited by: Sir Logoffski on 24/03/2009 14:34:11 Edited by: Sir Logoffski on 24/03/2009 14:33:36 DIE BEAVER, DIE!
bobr lol
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Tyshalle Blade
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:34:00 -
[1234]
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Township
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:34:00 -
[1235]
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LifeLines
Lithuanians
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:35:00 -
[1236]
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:35:00 -
[1237]
Originally by: Perpello I feel very frustrated! And maddened too!
Funny that you think it's about you, while it's about ccp favoring 1 alliance which happens to be yours. It doesn't really matter your alliance in what name or form will die soon(tm) Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
Endis
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Glengrant
Originally by: Navaj0 One game One rule.[/quote
Of course the same should apply to any alliance that lost their name in the same way to the same bug. Were there any other cases? If such an alliance comes forward and can't get a similar name change - then yes - that would be unfair.
It wasnt a bug that BoB was disbanded, Game mechanics.
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Ndundhu
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:36:00 -
[1239]
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TempSniper
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:36:00 -
[1240]
I support this.
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:38:00 -
[1241]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Yonker
Quote: Chribba has a dread in Amarr, not a Titan.
Whatever, capital/supercapital veldspar mining craft.
did you forget the rest of what I said or just decide to ignore it?
Chribba's DREAD was in Amarr prior to the lowsec restriction.
Those that are crying "OMG CCP are breaking rules" support breaking those rules... these mechanics (because the big issue is the sov 3 in a few systems, right?)
So it's ok to overlook mechanics for one individual, but not to an alliance, be it BoB, Stian, or whatever else. I see.
At best this is a red herring...
"Those that are crying "OMG CCP are breaking rules" support breaking those rules... "
Are you trying to link all of the people supporting re-re-naming BOBR to Kenzoku to some other thread where people want to move Chribba's titan/dread/whatever to somewhere it can't go on it's own? :psypop:
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Ivoryman
GreenSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:39:00 -
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I vote no! This gives Goons + the 70% of all space holding alliances NAP'ed with them something to poast about This whole debacle is made of WIN! imo.
Maybe CCP has had enough of Goons + friends... it's CCP's game, if you don't like it I know a few WoW accounts for sell CCP pulling everyone's 'equality' chain is ****in hilarious Something else to raise your 'righteous swords' against.
Ivory
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Igus
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:39:00 -
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wow Ccp is openly trying to sweep this on under the rug like they have so many times in the past and completely ignoring the facts. considering the Kenzoku alliance was per existing for several months befor the ex-bob corps decided to join the alliance.
oh ccp will you ever learn cheating is not the answer. if the its ok to be friends with players but when you start cheating like this and the many times in the past you lose credability. and to be honest in the end thats all you have. -- Uhg, I think I need a flux capacitor
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:40:00 -
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gm could you please give us 1 alliance that has had its name changed without losing sov.
and please dont use a 1 member alliance that does not exist anymore or 1 that you started to get you guy off the hook
as im sure we would all like to see these so called name changes
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Belmarduk
M.A.R.S. Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:41:00 -
[1245]
Mainchar:
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Lucius Cuningam
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:42:00 -
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Poruntubo
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:42:00 -
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:43:00 -
[1248]
Originally by: Ivoryman I vote no! This gives Goons + the 70% of all space holding alliances NAP'ed with them something to poast about This whole debacle is made of WIN! imo.
Maybe CCP has had enough of Goons + friends... it's CCP's game, if you don't like it I know a few WoW accounts for sell CCP pulling everyone's 'equality' chain is ****in hilarious Something else to raise your 'righteous swords' against.
Ivory
God CCP sure showed us.
"Take all of our space, disband our alliance and troll us into oblivion will you? *rename's alliance* YOU TAKE THAT GOONSWARMMMMM :argh:"
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Endis
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: bloody johnroberts gm could you please give us 1 alliance that has had its name changed without losing sov.
and please dont use a 1 member alliance that does not exist anymore or 1 that you started to get you guy off the hook
as im sure we would all like to see these so called name changes
This
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:44:00 -
[1250]
Originally by: NRCom Yes to a disband, one rule for all.
nout else needs said.
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:47:00 -
[1251]
Originally by: Ivoryman I vote no! This gives Goons + the 70% of all space holding alliances NAP'ed with them something to poast about This whole debacle is made of WIN! imo.
Maybe CCP has had enough of Goons + friends... it's CCP's game, if you don't like it I know a few WoW accounts for sell CCP pulling everyone's 'equality' chain is ****in hilarious Something else to raise your 'righteous swords' against.
Ivory
Dev alt spotted! Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:48:00 -
[1252]
The tears are strong in this one
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Maxxar
Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:48:00 -
[1253]
This is no surprise.
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Keeper ofDungeonSquad
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:49:00 -
[1254]
Why u let them rename!!!
Favoring isn't good. Disband them and drop sov or rename back to KenZoku!
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Zostera
Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:51:00 -
[1255]
To me it doesn't matter if it's BoB/Kenny/Beaver that had their name changed, or even that an alliance did have a name change without dropping sov and paying to reform.
For me it is the basic principal that a rule of the game was ignored by CCP.
Which rule would it be next? and for whose benefit? Seems to me that the door is now open for creeping illegitamacy in the decision making process of the GM's and Devs.
My vote is for this to be discussed by the CSM and for CCP to listen hard to what the community has to say.
Zos
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Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:51:00 -
[1256]
Originally by: Serj Darek The tears are strong in this one
Ah yes, so what you are saying is that you support what ccp did and thus don't really care that other alliances have to pay fees to get their names straight, where you get to pay nothing, for something that was your leaders own stupid mistake. I like my logic and ccp's is flawd Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
Yarik Mendel
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:51:00 -
[1257]
CCP, your GM and DEV behaviors are an ebarassement to the MMO community. Great game, please sell it to a smarter company before you destroy it completely, you've already killed solo and small gang pvp.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:51:00 -
[1258]
Originally by: Yonker
At best this is a red herring...
"Those that are crying "OMG CCP are breaking rules" support breaking those rules... "
Are you trying to link all of the people supporting re-re-naming BOBR to Kenzoku to some other thread where people want to move Chribba's titan/dread/whatever to somewhere it can't go on it's own? :psypop:
not a red herring as much as pointing out the irony.
This is fueled mostly by hatred of BoB/ken/BoBR, and the level of whining and actual threadnought/threadspam level shows this.
I honestly couldn't care less what they change thier name to, I don't feel it's any kind of an explot, or doing anything on the level that GMs/CCP has done before that probably didn't make any waves.
If Ken was replaced by another alliance, that would be different. I'd be 100% with you all. But it's just a name change. The old policy should have been scrapped long ago when you look at POS, cap, and sov effects that have been added since that time. It's essentially a blue law that would have been better addressed under different circumstances.
But if people here, a large majority, are so up in arms over this, than showing consistency regarding other game mechanics would make this look less like jumping on the BoB hatewagon.
That being said, I don't care about the name change, I dislike BoB just as most do, I just don't see the big deal, as nothing has changed but the name. It's not a new alliance, not a replacing alliance, but the same one.
And as a consequence to this, CCP will now, or should now, allow other corps and alliance change thier name without sov consequences.
that "pendulum" swings both ways, I agree it should be allowed, but that it should be allowed across the board from here on out.
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Mhua dib
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:52:00 -
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1 game, 1 rule
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Melysa Reul
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:53:00 -
[1260]
Nobody forced the BoB member corps to join the existing Kenny alliance. They should have spent the money on the day they lost the previous name to buy the new one they wanted. CCP should revert this change.
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Ag'Ammemnon
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:53:00 -
[1261]
Supportin' this. CCP position seems biased here.
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:53:00 -
[1262]
Edited by: corebloodbrothers on 24/03/2009 14:55:12 ok, fine then i will disclose, its indeed all in the name, as alot refer too.
kenzoku is a registred trade mark name and the name is licensed and protected. therefor it cannot be used as the name of a alliance ingame or outside on forums. As u can judge from the site itself, the @ means its trademarked name
http://www.kenzoku.com/
which is al fine till the owner complains then u have to remove it in 24 h else fines start rolling in. now thats what happened
the so much refered to eula states name s gonan be changed in that case
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gibbonsssss
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:55:00 -
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Cosy Ceaon
Porandor
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:55:00 -
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Ironnight
Caldari x13 X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:56:00 -
[1265]
Crybabies, they have what? 4 systems with sov 3, they lost their alliance due to crappy gamemechanics, get over it.
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Heinz Rand
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:56:00 -
[1266]
We felt sorry our friend bobby lost his name through legitimate in game action so we ignored the alliance rules which they could have used to create this new name and renamed their alliance for them.
Please provide 1 example of this happening previously. Oh that's right, you don't discuss petitions because you might be embarassed.
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Dasalt Istgut
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:56:00 -
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Marius Duvall
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:56:00 -
[1268]
Originally by: corebloodbrothers Edited by: corebloodbrothers on 24/03/2009 14:55:12 ok, fine then i will disclose, its indeed all in the name, as alot refer too.
kenzoku is a registred trade mark name and the name is licensed and protected. therefor it cannot be used as the name of a alliance ingame or outside on forums. As u can judge from the site itself, the @ means its trademarked name
http://www.kenzoku.com/
which is al fine till the owner complains then u have to remove it in 24 h else fines start rolling in. now thats what happened
the so much refered to eula states name s gonan be changed in that case
HBO would like a word with you.
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hankey
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:57:00 -
[1269]
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:57:00 -
[1270]
okies heres 1 to throw in the hat say they were war deced name changed war becomes invalid so does that mean we can all get out of alliance wars by changing our alliance name and keep sov too nice work
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VIPERKILLER
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:57:00 -
[1271]
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:57:00 -
[1272]
posting in support.
Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
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Ogron
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:58:00 -
[1273]
--- * your signature image is broken. Please use one that works - Fallout Who is dis moses meehee they talking about ? |
oh yes
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:58:00 -
[1274]
Goons and friends stop crying and get hauling your stuff out of delve before u loose it. I do hope you enjoy empire!
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Trollyn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:59:00 -
[1275]
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xXxSatsujinxXx
Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:01:00 -
[1276]
yup
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Marius Duvall
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:01:00 -
[1277]
Originally by: oh yes Goons and friends stop crying and get hauling your stuff out of delve before u loose it. I do hope you enjoy empire!
Oh lawd yes, I love me some jita *****s.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:01:00 -
[1278]
Originally by: Heinz Rand We felt sorry our friend bobby lost his name through legitimate in game action so we ignored the alliance rules which they could have used to create this new name and renamed their alliance for them.
Please provide 1 example of this happening previously. Oh that's right, you don't discuss petitions because you might be embarassed.
2 people I've read so far ITT have had it done with corps
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Stealing Honest
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:01:00 -
[1279]
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Yonker
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:01:00 -
[1280]
Originally by: corebloodbrothers Edited by: corebloodbrothers on 24/03/2009 14:55:12 ok, fine then i will disclose, its indeed all in the name, as alot refer too.
kenzoku is a registred trade mark name and the name is licensed and protected. therefor it cannot be used as the name of a alliance ingame or outside on forums. As u can judge from the site itself, the @ means its trademarked name
http://www.kenzoku.com/
which is al fine till the owner complains then u have to remove it in 24 h else fines start rolling in. now thats what happened
the so much refered to eula states name s gonan be changed in that case
The Ĵ means the WEBSITE is copyrighted to the company Kenzoku LLC. The name Kenzoku is not a registered trademark, in fact there are multiple businesses named Kenzoku. :eng101:
A quick wiki search would tell you:
A trademark or trade mark, identified by the symbols Ö (not yet registered) and Ğ (registered).
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:02:00 -
[1281]
dear marius, feel free to contact me in game anytime mate, but there are sites more appropiate for that..
loves and kisses yours truely corebloodbrothers
Originally by: Marius Duvall
Originally by: corebloodbrothers Edited by: corebloodbrothers on 24/03/2009 14:55:12 ok, fine then i will disclose, its indeed all in the name, as alot refer too.
kenzoku is a registred trade mark name and the name is licensed and protected. therefor it cannot be used as the name of a alliance ingame or outside on forums. As u can judge from the site itself, the @ means its trademarked name
http://www.kenzoku.com/
which is al fine till the owner complains then u have to remove it in 24 h else fines start rolling in. now thats what happened
the so much refered to eula states name s gonan be changed in that case
HBO would like a word with you.
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Soldis
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:03:00 -
[1282]
Originally by: corebloodbrothers kenzoku is a registred trade mark name and the name is licensed and protected.
Look at how dumb you are, you cannot trademark common (japanese) words. Else I would trademark every word in the Engllish language and you'd have to shut up.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:03:00 -
[1283]
Originally by: oh yes Goons and friends stop crying and get hauling your stuff out of delve before u loose it. I do hope you enjoy empire!
yes, I'm sure they'll heed your dire warning. I see the JFs fleeting up as I post this.
thank you sir.
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Wood Dervish
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:04:00 -
[1284]
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Sertan Deras
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:05:00 -
[1285]
Edited by: Sertan Deras on 24/03/2009 15:06:49
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Yonker
At best this is a red herring...
"Those that are crying "OMG CCP are breaking rules" support breaking those rules... "
Are you trying to link all of the people supporting re-re-naming BOBR to Kenzoku to some other thread where people want to move Chribba's titan/dread/whatever to somewhere it can't go on it's own? :psypop:
not a red herring as much as pointing out the irony.
This is fueled mostly by hatred of BoB/ken/BoBR, and the level of whining and actual threadnought/threadspam level shows this.
I honestly couldn't care less what they change thier name to, I don't feel it's any kind of an explot, or doing anything on the level that GMs/CCP has done before that probably didn't make any waves.
If Ken was replaced by another alliance, that would be different. I'd be 100% with you all. But it's just a name change. The old policy should have been scrapped long ago when you look at POS, cap, and sov effects that have been added since that time. It's essentially a blue law that would have been better addressed under different circumstances.
But if people here, a large majority, are so up in arms over this, than showing consistency regarding other game mechanics would make this look less like jumping on the BoB hatewagon.
That being said, I don't care about the name change, I dislike BoB just as most do, I just don't see the big deal, as nothing has changed but the name. It's not a new alliance, not a replacing alliance, but the same one.
And as a consequence to this, CCP will now, or should now, allow other corps and alliance change thier name without sov consequences.
that "pendulum" swings both ways, I agree it should be allowed, but that it should be allowed across the board from here on out.
You're missing the point, by about a mile.
There is currently an IN GAME way to change your alliance name. Several alliances before have had to do it the correct way, and suffer the consequences of that. It's called disbanding your alliance, and reforming it.
The name change was never the point, the fact that BoB was given a "free pass" to get that name change, when several alliances before have had to do it the in game and more restrictive way is what the issue here is.
Lets see what BoB avoided by getting this free name change:
Lost sovereignty 1bn ISK fee Myriad logistics issues
If you can't see the issue and why it's a problem, you're just being coy. As far as the BoB hate is concerned, maybe that hate partially stems from the fact that this is a SECOND recorded time that BoB has been directly helped by CCP outside of normal game policy. Notice I said recorded time, because frankly, we don't know what other little favors have been going on behind the curtain. We'll never know.
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Pyriine Maurete
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:06:00 -
[1286]
Grimmi's explanation was garbage. CCP and their employees have been shown repeatedly to be dishonest, and scheming cheats when it comes to their game. There needs to be a audio question and answer session, real time, where CCP makes a feeble attempt to rationalize this blantant, repeated, and ongoing favouritism. Of course, they will do none of this, and will only do their best to sweep it under the rug, while continuing to cheat to aid Kenzoku, and yet again spit in the faces of their playerbase. |
Mad Morpheus
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:06:00 -
[1287]
Disband!
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Marius Duvall
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:07:00 -
[1288]
Originally by: corebloodbrothers dear marius, feel free to contact me in game anytime mate, but there are sites more appropiate for that..
loves and kisses yours truely corebloodbrothers
Originally by: Marius Duvall
Originally by: corebloodbrothers Edited by: corebloodbrothers on 24/03/2009 14:55:12 ok, fine then i will disclose, its indeed all in the name, as alot refer too.
kenzoku is a registred trade mark name and the name is licensed and protected. therefor it cannot be used as the name of a alliance ingame or outside on forums. As u can judge from the site itself, the @ means its trademarked name
http://www.kenzoku.com/
which is al fine till the owner complains then u have to remove it in 24 h else fines start rolling in. now thats what happened
the so much refered to eula states name s gonan be changed in that case
HBO would like a word with you.
Don't ever not stop posting ever not stop never
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Helga Hufflepuff
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:09:00 -
[1289]
This is some dodgy dodginess.
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Thorin Hammerfell
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:10:00 -
[1290]
CCP rolls over for love of Molle again, feet in the air, for a belly rub!
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Spyra Gryra
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:10:00 -
[1291]
Enough is enough!
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Frogman Henry
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:10:00 -
[1292]
Disband CCP please |
corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:10:00 -
[1293]
its not polite to tell people to shut up dear, maybe u should be thinking of this as if it where a game. its supposed to be about fun and frendship like that movie flop in the 80's , the goonies i think it was called, where a bunch of wannabee adventures, u know the geek section at school, they slide from 1 accident into the next. It sucked so bad, but its still huge fun watching them suck at what they do.
its the same now, its huge fun to watch and read, wooooo maybe its a really deep consipracy, who knows, maybe its a goon petition to embaress BOB ? wooooooo
lighten up, play some checkers, and try to esee the humor of it all
gl hf
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cruor-Salax Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:10:00 -
[1294]
No.
Get over it.
Stop crying.
Try another emotional alliance director and do it all again.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:11:00 -
[1295]
Originally by: Sertan Deras
You're missing the point, by about a mile.
There is currently an IN GAME way to change your alliance name. Several alliances before have had to do it the correct way, and suffer the consequences of that. It's called disbanding your alliance, and reforming it.
The name change was never the point, the fact that BoB was given a "free pass" to get that name change, when several alliances before have had to do it the in game and more restrictive way is what the issue here is.
Lets see what BoB avoided by getting this free name change:
Lost sovereignty 1bn ISK fee Myriad logistics issues
If you can't see the issue and why it's a problem, you're just being coy. As far as the BoB hate is concerned, maybe that hate partially stems from the fact that this is a SECOND recorded time that BoB has been directly helped by CCP outside of normal game policy. Notice I said recorded time, because frankly, we don't know what other little favors have been going on behind the curtain. We'll never know.
The whole matter with this is that it shouldn't even be disallowed for that reason- even if done in the past. changing a name should not affect sov, maybe require a 1bn renaming fee- the mechanics should be in place. Maybe I'm actually just advocating that, because tbh I don't really care about ken, or what happens in delve as I carebear away these stupidly long cap skills...
And there are devs in GS also, should we assume that there are shenanigans afoot?
Don't take this as me trusting BoB or not hearing you out, because I do, and to a large extent agree with you.
The rule should however be modified to protect sov/POSs, in ANY case.
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Montasque
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:11:00 -
[1296]
I support this.
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titanstory
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:11:00 -
[1297]
Edited by: titanstory on 24/03/2009 15:12:22 yes for a disband
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Akirad Deshin
Free-Space-Ranger
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:12:00 -
[1298]
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Laodamia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:12:00 -
[1299]
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:13:00 -
[1300]
I don't think CCP has a full appreciation of how dangerous a situation like this is to their game.
It is so ungodly frustrating to fight an entity in game that has developer support, its like your fighting the game itself. How long will we tolerate this ****??
Is it time for another open letter to CCP? no, its already gone past that point.
Frankly I find this **** too hard to stomach:
- spawning BPOS - Handing out motherships - Changing the titan memorial rules when molles titan died - refunding titans after saying they never would
2 Titans in game died to "broken mechanics" 1 AZN and 1 D2 both pilots petitioned the loss but no exception was given. A good policy. The game has rules, they can change, but until then we live, fly, and die by them.
People care that its BOB you did it for, because you have a LONG history of doing them special favors, but it really doesnĈt matter that its BOB, most people recognize that. It matters that YOU broke the rules and gave someone special treatment. WhatĈs even more insulting is that you changed their name to Band of Brothers Reloaded, as though, by not giving them their original name back somehow it would be ok. How stupid do you think we are? What a disgusting insult.
This action is shameful beyond words CCP. Your failure to act last time and your continued, blatant cheating is a slap in the face to every person who plays the game.
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Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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Nefertari
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:14:00 -
[1301]
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Dragqueeninspace
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:14:00 -
[1302]
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
This is fueled mostly by hatred of BoB/ken/BoBR, and the level of whining and actual threadnought/threadspam level shows this.
The forum activity is pretty light all things considered and this is not fueled by BOB hate its fueled by a hatred of cheaters, the fact this referes to BOB is their choice not my design.
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:16:00 -
[1303]
==================== dear GM, as we goons are on the brink of loosing our own home and the one we conquered through accoutnsharing and other low tactics, we are now on brink of collaps. We also like to have our name changed from goonswarm too goneswarm
i hope this isnt to much trouble
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Eggars
New Light
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:16:00 -
[1304]
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Lomilitah
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:16:00 -
[1305]
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Barantz
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:17:00 -
[1306]
GM response fails to address why they are allowed a name that is 25 characters long, when the rule is 24 characters max.
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Sertan Deras
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:17:00 -
[1307]
Edited by: Sertan Deras on 24/03/2009 15:18:14
Originally by: Vincent Gaines
Originally by: Sertan Deras
You're missing the point, by about a mile.
There is currently an IN GAME way to change your alliance name. Several alliances before have had to do it the correct way, and suffer the consequences of that. It's called disbanding your alliance, and reforming it.
The name change was never the point, the fact that BoB was given a "free pass" to get that name change, when several alliances before have had to do it the in game and more restrictive way is what the issue here is.
Lets see what BoB avoided by getting this free name change:
Lost sovereignty 1bn ISK fee Myriad logistics issues
If you can't see the issue and why it's a problem, you're just being coy. As far as the BoB hate is concerned, maybe that hate partially stems from the fact that this is a SECOND recorded time that BoB has been directly helped by CCP outside of normal game policy. Notice I said recorded time, because frankly, we don't know what other little favors have been going on behind the curtain. We'll never know.
The whole matter with this is that it shouldn't even be disallowed for that reason- even if done in the past. changing a name should not affect sov, maybe require a 1bn renaming fee- the mechanics should be in place. Maybe I'm actually just advocating that, because tbh I don't really care about ken, or what happens in delve as I carebear away these stupidly long cap skills...
And there are devs in GS also, should we assume that there are shenanigans afoot?
Don't take this as me trusting BoB or not hearing you out, because I do, and to a large extent agree with you.
The rule should however be modified to protect sov/POSs, in ANY case.
On one hand, I agree with you. Honestly, changing your alliance name should be as easy as paying a fee, enter name, press buttan. That said, up until about 48 hours ago, that wasn't the rule. The rule was magically changed, on the fly, for BoB. If you can't understand why that raises the hackles of several of us, I am not really sure what to tell you.
There may or may not be devs in GoonSwarm (I honestly don't know, though I would imagine the chances are high we have at least one), but here's the difference: There isn't an NY Times expose article about how a CCP employee knowingly helped us get a bunch of expensive BPO's. That article exists about BoB. There is no speculation that developer favoritism might have happened in this case, we KNOW it's happened. For all intents and purposes, we now know it's happened twice. So frankly the "Well, GoonSwarm has developers, they might be cheating to" is a strawman at it's finest.
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Yuna Kardona
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:17:00 -
[1308]
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theBEANman
Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:18:00 -
[1309]
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Quin Takinato
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:19:00 -
[1310]
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Vardemis
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:19:00 -
[1311]
No.
I am quite sure it has been done before.
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killer pacifist
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:20:00 -
[1312]
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Malice Darkmoon
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:20:00 -
[1313]
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lupus magni
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:21:00 -
[1314]
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:21:00 -
[1315]
true it seems that ccp are worried about losing beaver membership fees "change our name or we will rage quit" all on msn or irc. what will we see next jove space opens with bobr already in space with sov 3 and i guess it will be more broken than delve.
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Vanor cathak
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:22:00 -
[1316]
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Zilkin
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:22:00 -
[1317]
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Caassimolar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:25:00 -
[1318]
Originally by: Vardemis No.
I am quite sure it has been done before.
No examples, no proof, but i am SURE!!!!
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nathice douglen
Assisted Homicide DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:27:00 -
[1319]
Muhahahaha |
Gallente Ardientemente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:28:00 -
[1320]
Originally by: Vardemis No.
I am quite sure it has been done before.
It's been "not done" thousands of times more then it's been done, and I'd still like to see proof of it being done. Nobody forced them to use Kenzoku, they made a choice. They can live with it as everyone else in EVE has lived with their choices. If even capitalizing a letter and not changing the name at all otherwise is forbidden, then this is too sorry.
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shiek monger
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:28:00 -
[1321]
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Smatchimo
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:29:00 -
[1322]
Rabble rabble
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TheBaptist
Intergalactic Peace Organization Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:29:00 -
[1323]
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Holy Tat
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:30:00 -
[1324]
I demand justice
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Aryth
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:32:00 -
[1325]
Even had to go the extra mile and give them an extra character in the name?
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Beaty Swollocks
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:32:00 -
[1326]
Originally by: Tobruk I don't think CCP has a full appreciation of how dangerous a situation like this is to their game.
It is so ungodly frustrating to fight an entity in game that has developer support, its like your fighting the game itself. How long will we tolerate this ****??
Is it time for another open letter to CCP? no, its already gone past that point.
Frankly I find this **** too hard to stomach:
- spawning BPOS - Handing out motherships - Changing the titan memorial rules when molles titan died - refunding titans after saying they never would
2 Titans in game died to "broken mechanics" 1 AZN and 1 D2 both pilots petitioned the loss but no exception was given. A good policy. The game has rules, they can change, but until then we live, fly, and die by them.
People care that its BOB you did it for, because you have a LONG history of doing them special favors, but it really doesnĈt matter that its BOB, most people recognize that. It matters that YOU broke the rules and gave someone special treatment. WhatĈs even more insulting is that you changed their name to Band of Brothers Reloaded, as though, by not giving them their original name back somehow it would be ok. How stupid do you think we are? What a disgusting insult.
This action is shameful beyond words CCP. Your failure to act last time and your continued, blatant cheating is a slap in the face to every person who plays the game.
Blah blah blah, heard all this before.
Seriously if 'you' lot are so against this and wanna make a big enough statement//noise about it just QUIT, don't resub, don't log on etc etc
Cause quite frankly all this 'THUMBS UP' nonsense is gonna do absoultly NOTHING except get all you guys foaming at the mouth in such a emorage.
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Rattus Norvegicus
Schwoogie Labor Inc GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:34:00 -
[1327]
Ridonkulous!
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Humanor
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:34:00 -
[1328]
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Rattus Refiner
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:35:00 -
[1329]
Threadnaught
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Rattus Xanthurus
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:35:00 -
[1330]
Disband of Brothers
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Rattus Trader
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:36:00 -
[1331]
CCP still doesn't "get" it
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Barstander
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:36:00 -
[1332]
I don't care about in-game politics, I don't really know any of the players in this. What I do care about is that rules exist and they are consistently enforced. No game, not EvE, not baseball, not football, nor Monopoly, can long survive if the rules are changed to the benefit of one player(s) over another without accountability.
Now we get to see if CSM and IA is actually CCP being serious about watching over this game or if it truly was a publicity stunt.
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Rattus Researcher3
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:37:00 -
[1333]
Does this really matter since their name isn't even on the map anymore? ATLAS holds more space than "BOB" hahahahahahh
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Mach3
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:37:00 -
[1334]
This is going to have more pages than the POS exploit thread
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lol rats
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:38:00 -
[1335]
SirLolle
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Horned Rat
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:38:00 -
[1336]
Oh noe
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:38:00 -
[1337]
The day I open a cheesefactory, all the goons and NC-guy ( no pets please ) are invited to come there and bring their whine.
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Orekhovskaya
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:38:00 -
[1338]
Dorks
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Solntsevskaya
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:39:00 -
[1339]
REVOLT
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sssmmmmnnnn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:39:00 -
[1340]
Altposting, for fair voting on assembly hall.
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Orange Tooth
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:39:00 -
[1341]
Worse alliance ever
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Cosy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:40:00 -
[1342]
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Viktor Averin
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:40:00 -
[1343]
They are so bad they have to cheat just to hold onto their precious 3 non-station-systems
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:40:00 -
[1344]
Disband. --
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Vlajko san
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:40:00 -
[1345]
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Semion Mogilevich
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:41:00 -
[1346]
I'm not sure who is worse CCP or ".BoB."
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Rattus Ranjiniae
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:41:00 -
[1347]
No matter what their new alliance name is they will still be just as horrible
RISE put up more of a fight defending their own space than ".BOB."
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Rattus Cyno8
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:42:00 -
[1348]
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Trillian Mcmillan
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:43:00 -
[1349]
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Wideen
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:43:00 -
[1350]
how about no ________________________________________ "I robbed a goon and I liked it" - Suas |
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Leni
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:47:00 -
[1351]
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Kubera
STK Scientific The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:47:00 -
[1352]
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Caassimolar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:47:00 -
[1353]
Originally by: Wideen how about no
how about you are a bob pet and don't really have your own opinion so we are just going to ignore you?
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paracidic
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:47:00 -
[1354]
Originally by: Slaveone In another demonstration of developer misconduct CCP renamed Kenzoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded. This has never been done for an alliance, character, or corporation, ever.
Please vote up to disband BOBR.
Just ask Haargoth to disband it. ***********************************************
Everything ever written by a goon or DS1 member is absolutely factual and should not be challanged in anyway. |
Jeager
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:47:00 -
[1355]
1 game 1 rule
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Derek Shmawesome
We Know Derek
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:48:00 -
[1356]
Supported because the "explanation" is even more fail than the renaming itself.
:facepalm:
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Davthalas
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:49:00 -
[1357]
**** you ccp
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ReD PartiZan
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:49:00 -
[1358]
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Dr Lovemuscle
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:56:00 -
[1359]
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Killer128
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:56:00 -
[1360]
no matter how this become to be, but it should not happen.
Who ever made this has to realize it was a mistake to give preferred treatment to anyone on the game. This is a complete denial of the premise of a living universe where every single action has a consecuence on the way the Universe and on the players.
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:58:00 -
[1361]
Originally by: Caassimolar
Originally by: Wideen how about no
how about you are a bob pet and don't really have your own opinion so we are just going to ignore you?
Hey, how many alts did you create just to get the votes up on this one? _________________________________
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Quintadecimani
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:58:00 -
[1362]
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Robapin
Gallente Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:58:00 -
[1363]
+1
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Tar'an Tula
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:59:00 -
[1364]
the former members of BoB CHOSE KenZoku as their alliance name. no other alliance has ever been able to change theirs, and thus, CCP allowing KenZoku to get rid of their terrible name for an even more terrible name is unacceptable. this not only continues to prove CCP's favoritism towards this terrible alliance, but sets a bad precedent of changing alliance names. CCP needs to undo this change and make the members of KenZoku either lose their Sov and change the name by making a new allian ce (the way the game is supposed to work) or keep the terrible name the chose for themselves (something every other player in EvE who made a terrible name has to deal with).
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Anteia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:59:00 -
[1365]
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Jago Kain
Ramm's RDI
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:01:00 -
[1366]
Edited by: Jago Kain on 24/03/2009 16:01:24 meh.... ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive. |
Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:03:00 -
[1367]
Originally by: Yonker Edited by: Yonker on 24/03/2009 14:20:12 Edited by: Yonker on 24/03/2009 14:19:43
Originally by: Karezan Which is probably the exact reason why the rename was allowed. They had to emergency reform in a (now proven to be pointless) attempt to start regaining sov right away. They did not have adequate time to pick a new name for their alliance, and ended up being allowed a rename because of this (or at least I believe this to be the thought process behind it).
I'm guessing the key thing here is that they did lose all sov and pay 1b when BoB was disbanded. They requested this change at the time, and it took 2 months for GM's to decide. They just didn't form under the new name they wanted, because they didn't have time to. Yes it's still an exception to the rules, but they did suffer the downsides (paying another 1b and losing all sov), even if they never planned for it. I'm guessing that's where the 2 month comment comes from, the loss of sov was 2 months ago (at the time of the petition), and the decision was only made now.
So you're saying if they waited to re-form their Alliance... the consequence would have been that they would have lost Sov correct?
In order to re-form quickly they had to use this already created Alliance with a different name, right?
So, they had a choice... either lose Sov, or lose their name. They made a choice to keep sov.
So what rule is it that says if you don't like the consequence of your decision... CCP will adjust the game to fit your needs? I'm sure A LOT of scammed people would like to petition CCP under this new rule of "Not having to take responsibility for your actions".
You're arguing semantics. I'm sure you're well aware of the fact they lost all their sov 3/4, considering it was a big factor in Goonswarm conquering Delve. Whether they made a new alliance, or used Kenzoku, the sov 1 thing should have happened either way. The requirement for sov 1 is that the towers have been anchored for at least 7 days, not that they have been anchored for 7 days under the current alliance tag, which is exactly why Kenzoku regained sov 1 the DT after the disband.
So yes, they did lose their sov, because in this context, when talking about lost sov, it means losing sov 2/3/4, not sov 1, which would come back the first DT after the alliance reform either way.
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Yuu Tzar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:04:00 -
[1368]
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Dr Aurora
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:04:00 -
[1369]
oh my goodness.. you guys cry WAYYYY too much... wahh wahh wahh
For the slow people out there I do not support this. grow up.
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sylverdicate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:06:00 -
[1370]
.
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Sentry Falloff
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:06:00 -
[1371]
Edited by: Sentry Falloff on 24/03/2009 16:06:19 .
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Dareia Apatis
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:07:00 -
[1372]
This name change is dodgier than the navy issue Drake I'm trying to sell. |
WARPIGG
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:08:00 -
[1373]
Originally by: Dr Aurora oh my goodness.. you guys cry WAYYYY too much... wahh wahh wahh
For the slow people out there I do not support this. grow up.
shut up *****!
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:10:00 -
[1374]
Originally by: WARPIGG
Originally by: Dr Aurora oh my goodness.. you guys cry WAYYYY too much... wahh wahh wahh
For the slow people out there I do not support this. grow up.
shut up *****!
Cry more *****! _________________________________
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PMolkenthin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:11:00 -
[1375]
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Tom Gunn
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:12:00 -
[1376]
GM's/Dev's have a responsibility to be fair and impartial. They should not be getting involved.
If the way Goonswarm took down BoB was legitimate, BoB should not be given 'outside' help, they should have to fight using the tools all players have at their disposal. If they want to rename their alliance, then let them do it via the same options every player has available to them.
If Goons cheated or used an illegal exploit to take down BoB, the servers should of been rolled-back, Goons disbanded and their leadership banned permanently as an example of what happens to cheats.
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JJbrady312
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:16:00 -
[1377]
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Mytheos
Vengeance Unlimited
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:17:00 -
[1378]
Originally by: Barstander I don't care about in-game politics, I don't really know any of the players in this. What I do care about is that rules exist and they are consistently enforced. No game, not EvE, not baseball, not football, nor Monopoly, can long survive if the rules are changed to the benefit of one player(s) over another without accountability.
Now we get to see if CSM and IA is actually CCP being serious about watching over this game or if it truly was a publicity stunt.
This. |
WARPIGG
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:18:00 -
[1379]
Originally by: Stalina
Originally by: WARPIGG
Originally by: Dr Aurora oh my goodness.. you guys cry WAYYYY too much... wahh wahh wahh
For the slow people out there I do not support this. grow up.
shut up *****!
Cry more *****!
U shut up too *****
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:18:00 -
[1380]
Rename them back to Kenny, then let them disband and recreate if they want another name. I mean WTF, really?!? What happened to internal affairs keeping track of BS like this?
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Rayzol
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:19:00 -
[1381]
Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:34 Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:24 My first post after 1 yr of eve playing... (besides tech. support) So imagine how i feel about this.
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Tyger Maul
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:22:00 -
[1382]
1 game...1 set of rules for all. |
Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:25:00 -
[1383]
Originally by: WARPIGG
Originally by: Stalina
Originally by: WARPIGG
Originally by: Dr Aurora oh my goodness.. you guys cry WAYYYY too much... wahh wahh wahh
For the slow people out there I do not support this. grow up.
shut up *****!
Cry more *****!
U shut up too *****
Dont worry, in a year or two there will be threads about goons. _________________________________
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Edith Bunker
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:29:00 -
[1384]
Special treatment to BoB/Ken is unfair. I'm dissapointed in CCP.
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WARPIGG
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:30:00 -
[1385]
Dont worry, in a year or two there will be threads about goons.
if your right,its cuz we got there our selves.dont need help from a ****ing dev to win a fight
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Heinz Rand
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:31:00 -
[1386]
Originally by: Karezan
Originally by: Yonker Edited by: Yonker on 24/03/2009 14:20:12 Edited by: Yonker on 24/03/2009 14:19:43
Originally by: Karezan Which is probably the exact reason why the rename was allowed. They had to emergency reform in a (now proven to be pointless) attempt to start regaining sov right away. They did not have adequate time to pick a new name for their alliance, and ended up being allowed a rename because of this (or at least I believe this to be the thought process behind it).
I'm guessing the key thing here is that they did lose all sov and pay 1b when BoB was disbanded. They requested this change at the time, and it took 2 months for GM's to decide. They just didn't form under the new name they wanted, because they didn't have time to. Yes it's still an exception to the rules, but they did suffer the downsides (paying another 1b and losing all sov), even if they never planned for it. I'm guessing that's where the 2 month comment comes from, the loss of sov was 2 months ago (at the time of the petition), and the decision was only made now.
So you're saying if they waited to re-form their Alliance... the consequence would have been that they would have lost Sov correct?
In order to re-form quickly they had to use this already created Alliance with a different name, right?
So, they had a choice... either lose Sov, or lose their name. They made a choice to keep sov.
So what rule is it that says if you don't like the consequence of your decision... CCP will adjust the game to fit your needs? I'm sure A LOT of scammed people would like to petition CCP under this new rule of "Not having to take responsibility for your actions".
You're arguing semantics. I'm sure you're well aware of the fact they lost all their sov 3/4, considering it was a big factor in Goonswarm conquering Delve. Whether they made a new alliance, or used Kenzoku, the sov 1 thing should have happened either way. The requirement for sov 1 is that the towers have been anchored for at least 7 days, not that they have been anchored for 7 days under the current alliance tag, which is exactly why Kenzoku regained sov 1 the DT after the disband.
So yes, they did lose their sov, because in this context, when talking about lost sov, it means losing sov 2/3/4, not sov 1, which would come back the first DT after the alliance reform either way.
So you are saying they could have chosen to go with .BoB. went it happened, but chose kenzoku because it was easier, less painful and cost less. AND for that, they get to change their name because they chose the easier way?
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:35:00 -
[1387]
/signed
Too many favours,
No rules broken to take their name, no rules should be boken to fix it.
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Jasmin Byrne
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:37:00 -
[1388]
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Litaa
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:38:00 -
[1389]
/signed
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:39:00 -
[1390]
Edited by: Stalina on 24/03/2009 16:39:34
Originally by: WARPIGG
Originally by: Stalin
Dont worry, in a year or two there will be threads about goons.
if your right,its cuz we got there our selves.dont need help from a ****ing dev to win a fight
Nah im reffering to the attention you ( goons ) dont get.
I didn't talk about stuff that you and the NC and drone region guys and fountain guys and creepy directors accomplished, as nobody cares about this anymore. _________________________________
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Kalilabr
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:40:00 -
[1391]
Frankly if CCP are going to run Eve like it was a freeshard where the guy who's running it does special favours to his mates I dont see why we should pay for it.
Theres plenty of impartially run MMO's out there - I dont understand why CCP has repeatedly shown that they cant get their own staff to act professionally? |
Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:40:00 -
[1392]
Originally by: Kalilabr Frankly if CCP are going to run Eve like it was a freeshard where the guy who's running it does special favours to his mates I dont see why we should pay for it.
Theres plenty of impartially run MMO's out there - I dont understand why CCP has repeatedly shown that they cant get their own staff to act professionally?
Because after all, you still p(l)ay? _________________________________
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Found Dragon
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:46:00 -
[1393]
Originally by: Stalina
Originally by: Kalilabr Frankly if CCP are going to run Eve like it was a freeshard where the guy who's running it does special favours to his mates I dont see why we should pay for it.
Theres plenty of impartially run MMO's out there - I dont understand why CCP has repeatedly shown that they cant get their own staff to act professionally?
Because after all, you still p(l)ay?
That can be changed...
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UAxDEATH
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:46:00 -
[1394]
I`m supporting this topic, disband BOBR
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Guth
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:50:00 -
[1395]
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Kassa's Trader
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:50:00 -
[1396]
Edited by: Kassa''s Trader on 24/03/2009 16:54:41 --Moderators please delete this, it was posted on an alt.
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CowWarrior
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:50:00 -
[1397]
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WARPIGG
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:51:00 -
[1398]
Edited by: WARPIGG on 24/03/2009 16:55:19
Originally by: Stalina Edited by: Stalina on 24/03/2009 16:39:34
Originally by: WARPIGG
Originally by: Stalin
Dont worry, in a year or two there will be threads about goons.
if your right,its cuz we got there our selves.dont need help from a ****ing dev to win a fight
Nah im reffering to the attention you ( goons ) dont get.
I didn't talk about stuff that you and the NC and drone region guys and fountain guys and creepy directors accomplished, as nobody cares about this anymore.
before my time with goons.but another example of ccp's lack of EDICATE(Etiquette?)
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Triple Magpie
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:53:00 -
[1399]
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Elliott Manchild
omen. Gay4Life
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:53:00 -
[1400]
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Presidio
Minmatar ZipZoom Kaboom
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:54:00 -
[1401]
-
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Kassa Daito
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:54:00 -
[1402]
Edited by: Kassa Daito on 24/03/2009 16:55:12 I'll support CCP undoing the name change and then BoB can decide whether they want to disband and reform under a new name or keep Kenzoku.
I think an automatic disband though is a bit too harsh since all BoB actually did was ask for a name change, whomever actually changed it was the only person to break game rules.
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Mandarth
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:56:00 -
[1403]
/signed
[green]Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cor |
KosmikZA
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:57:00 -
[1404]
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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:57:00 -
[1405]
Who cares, what impact does it REALLY have on anything? --
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Thalen Draganos
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:57:00 -
[1406]
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pyklet uk1
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:58:00 -
[1407]
______________________________
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Tessho
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:03:00 -
[1408]
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Izm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:03:00 -
[1409]
I`m supporting this topic, disband BOBR |
Akasha Shakti
The Merch
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:06:00 -
[1410]
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Gandolf
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:06:00 -
[1411]
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Nameless Soldier
Gaidhlig Technology
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:08:00 -
[1412]
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darthkalo
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:08:00 -
[1413]
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charlie ZA
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:08:00 -
[1414]
If they get to keep BoBR, then no KenZoku Sov claims should carry over. Charlie ZA |
Dr Groovenstein
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:09:00 -
[1415]
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Pax Uranus
ATLAH Galaxywide
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:11:00 -
[1416]
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Cian Enid
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:11:00 -
[1417]
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Thaliya Dejar
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:12:00 -
[1418]
remove them
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JenDen
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:13:00 -
[1419]
- Sig: StackNerfing * GangLinks |
HabaHaba
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:13:00 -
[1420]
yes
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Kostya Semer
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:14:00 -
[1421]
07
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Jesco
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:14:00 -
[1422]
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Helenka
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:14:00 -
[1423]
Absolutely support the op
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Zeinul
Sacred Temple Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:14:00 -
[1424]
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Mistress Murderface
Groton Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:14:00 -
[1425]
You would think that after past events, CCP wouldn't be stupid enough to do it again. |
TNeo DC
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:15:00 -
[1426]
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Ralian Gelain
Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:15:00 -
[1427]
Edited by: Ralian Gelain on 24/03/2009 17:15:59 Disband.. no special privileges! [url=http://ed.evekill.org/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39174] [/url] |
Tivookz
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:15:00 -
[1428]
__________________________________________________
Hating Cash Craving Productions since oct 15th 2008 |
Ruby LeFonte
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:15:00 -
[1429]
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Llynia
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:15:00 -
[1430]
ĴLlynia |
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Beket Chan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:16:00 -
[1431]
+1
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Huolian
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:16:00 -
[1432]
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Hera Ludheilen
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:16:00 -
[1433]
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NergaI
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 -
[1434]
He is right
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Johnny Babas
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 -
[1435]
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Hunter GlobaGateways
The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 -
[1436]
CCP gives BoB more stuff. How about endless GM errors to favor BoB pilots in the past battles where BoB only where given cap ships from fights we won and killed 3-4 times, same faction modules on same ships, was not enough? T2 bpos and what not. 40 Billion rip off by GMĈs lead actions from alliances to end certain alliances anyone?
Jebus the almighty Christ guys cant you see this is wrong? - fix your damn stuff CCP! end to all CCP intervention right here, make simple rules and follow them suit 100%, don't make up new rules as you go along in time as the years of EVe time goes on and on.
Let the player elected council, end this CCP crap player supported to any alliance from any GM's angle of game HAX
I'm sorry, this is fud.
voted
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ISELLISELL GIVEMEMONEYYY
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:17:00 -
[1437]
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Angry Racoon
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1438]
disband BOBR.
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Krosavedza
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1439]
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1440]
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Darmok Tanagra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1441]
-.- lol ?!?! KILL KENNY 4EVER !
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Redfire
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1442]
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Vlip
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1443]
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STYPY RUS
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1444]
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PVPCORP RECRUITER
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1445]
Edited by: PVPCORP RECRUITER on 24/03/2009 17:18:40
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Ann Ripley
Caldari FinFleet Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
[1446]
Originally by: Rayzol Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:34 Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:24 My first post after 1 yr of eve playing... (besides tech. support) So imagine how i feel about this.
You realy know who bob is and why goons hate them?? You are a meager fetus in eve standards so shouldnt have a right to vote on this tbfh "Insert witty comment here" |
Van4eg
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:19:00 -
[1447]
+1 for disbanding BOBR
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shanador
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:19:00 -
[1448]
Originally by: Ralian Gelain
Disband.. no special privileges!
agree
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Nano Trade
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:19:00 -
[1449]
Yes
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SapphireEG
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1450]
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Grumant
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1451]
+1
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Sirius Business
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1452]
Thumbs up.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1453]
Originally by: Ann Ripley
Originally by: Rayzol Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:34 Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:24 My first post after 1 yr of eve playing... (besides tech. support) So imagine how i feel about this.
You realy know who bob is and why goons hate them?? You are a meager fetus in eve standards so shouldnt have a right to vote on this tbfh
Since we're excluding voters now, you shouldn't be allowed to vote because you belong to the alliance in question~
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Murder mystery
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1454]
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Yazon EG
Very Industrial Corp. Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1455]
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Thalen Draganos
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1456]
Originally by: Buxaroo
Originally by: Hauling Theo ONe stone to rule em all, but one rule to stone em all.
THIS is messed up.
Yeah, but a flawed GAME MECHANIC that will only have ONE victim, BoB, isn't messed up?
Please explain why it takes 24 hours to leave a corp, takes 24 hours to JOIN an alliance, takes even 10 hours to DESTROY a character....but it takes only a millisecond to insta pop a whole alliance? Please, explain in a legitimate way without bias how this is isn't messed up?
I am all ears.
A game Mechanic was used to kick your corps out of BoB A Game Mechanic was used to disband your alliance A game mechanic was used to even create a corp to keep the name from being used again. A game Mechanic was NOT used to change your Alliance name. GM access or something like it was.
What happened to your alliance wasn't fair but oh well. cry more Kenny boy.
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Gommel Nox
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1457]
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Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:20:00 -
[1458]
Originally by: Ann Ripley
Originally by: Rayzol Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:34 Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:24 My first post after 1 yr of eve playing... (besides tech. support) So imagine how i feel about this.
You realy know who bob is and why goons hate them?? You are a meager fetus in eve standards so shouldnt have a right to vote on this tbfh
If anyone needs reminding of why we love ****socking bob, this here is p good summation.
Thanks for this.
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Budnitsky
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:21:00 -
[1459]
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Seinerer
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:21:00 -
[1460]
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Svargy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:21:00 -
[1461]
+1
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Lylith Aerythis
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:21:00 -
[1462]
Band of Developers Reloaded
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RJ562TX4
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:21:00 -
[1463]
Fair play huh? Disband them
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Ann Ripley
Caldari FinFleet Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:21:00 -
[1464]
Did i vote ;)?? ehm... no.
But seriously, more whining. its awsome. you are giving us beavers a good laugh. keep posting "Insert witty comment here" |
BlueTh
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 -
[1465]
+1
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Pelin42
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 -
[1466]
Same rules for everyone.
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Xsend'ar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 -
[1467]
Edited by: Xsend''ar on 24/03/2009 17:26:57 I support this
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Lord Arest
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 -
[1468]
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Haruko Chan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 -
[1469]
+1
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Mr Shaka
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 -
[1470]
Edited by: Mr Shaka on 24/03/2009 17:24:47
+1
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Pretorik
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:22:00 -
[1471]
+1
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Duegen
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:23:00 -
[1472]
Edited by: Duegen on 24/03/2009 17:25:59 +1
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Saotome Kagome
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 -
[1473]
+1
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Morgoth Ars
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 -
[1474]
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Mauglirussia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 -
[1475]
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One Pret
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 -
[1476]
+1
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Nokturnal Mortum
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 -
[1477]
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Gideon Wolfcat
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 -
[1478]
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Jejed Aerythis
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 -
[1479]
welcome to Barbie-Online
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Punim Pos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:24:00 -
[1480]
+1
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Seinerer
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:25:00 -
[1481]
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Mikumary
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:25:00 -
[1482]
+1
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Anne Pret
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:25:00 -
[1483]
+1
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Nano Trade
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:26:00 -
[1484]
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Jane Indy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:26:00 -
[1485]
Edited by: Jane Indy on 24/03/2009 17:27:06 Couldn't we all live in a peaceful world without *****ing?
An alliance changed it's name..
BIG DEAL
EDIT: And if this is Bob online this petition isn't going to go through anyways...
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KR0T
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:26:00 -
[1486]
+1
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Obivan Kertis
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:27:00 -
[1487]
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Arumia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:27:00 -
[1488]
GRRR AARGH 'insert the usual whines, moans etc about bob/kenny/bobr and their evil ways' but replying to this thread cos its giving the beavers good laughs (hear that, GOOD LAUGHS!!), and we all know, they could do with some...
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Peshich
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:27:00 -
[1489]
+1
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Thalen Draganos
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:27:00 -
[1490]
Originally by: Jane Indy Couldn't we all live in a peaceful world without *****ing?
An alliance changed it's name..
BIG DEAL
You just don't get it do you.
go home
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Jay Dilla
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:28:00 -
[1491]
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Jane Indy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:29:00 -
[1492]
Edited by: Jane Indy on 24/03/2009 17:29:26 Get what?
If chribba's titan get's moved this thread loses it's steam
And i'm betting at least half the posters in this thread are Goonswarm alts.
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Sem Black
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:30:00 -
[1493]
+1
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RIPkillemall
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:30:00 -
[1494]
+1
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Klint Istwud
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:31:00 -
[1495]
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Ar'tee
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:31:00 -
[1496]
Originally by: Mach3 This is going to have more pages than the POS exploit thread
It does, by now. That thread has 48 pages. Interestingly, these threads are now the biggest two threads in recent Assembly Hall history. Some might call it telling that they deal with a similar topic: lack of transparency and doubts about the evenhandedness of CCP's handling of rule-bending events.
You'd think that at some point CCP would have gotten the message. Yet, they keep making the same kind of mistake over and over.
Funny, that.
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Robapin
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:32:00 -
[1497]
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Thalen Draganos
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:32:00 -
[1498]
and who's alt are you jane?
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D'argo
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:32:00 -
[1499]
tl:dr
but I support this proposal
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Alurexar
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:33:00 -
[1500]
_______________________________________________________
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Chubaka Capt
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:33:00 -
[1501]
Edited by: Chubaka Capt on 24/03/2009 17:33:32
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Akemi Kitano
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:33:00 -
[1502]
+1
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Del Mar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:33:00 -
[1503]
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HEPBHOE OKOH4AHUE
U.K.R.A.I.N.E United Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:33:00 -
[1504]
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Jane Indy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:34:00 -
[1505]
Believe it or not but this is my main
http://incov.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Jane%20Indy
yes i know i suck... catching up
But this is going OT..
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Beaty Swollocks
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:34:00 -
[1506]
loltastic this thread is becoming.
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Kitana Muerte
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:34:00 -
[1507]
Originally by: Ann Ripley Did i vote ;)?? ehm... no.
But seriously, more whining. its awsome. you are giving us beavers a good laugh. keep posting
naturally, if i had a band of devs behind me, I would laugh too |
Ydoc Llezsor
Hydro Chronic
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:34:00 -
[1508]
Originally by: Thalen Draganos
Originally by: Jane Indy Couldn't we all live in a peaceful world without *****ing?
An alliance changed it's name..
BIG DEAL
You just don't get it do you.
go home
You afraid that BoB is gonna win so you have to disband em again to make you feel like you actually beat them?
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Chubaka Capt
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:34:00 -
[1509]
+1 |
the blender
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:34:00 -
[1510]
"I'm gonna put you in a little dress and pod you!" |
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Wladeck
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:35:00 -
[1511]
I support . .
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BESG
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:36:00 -
[1512]
+1
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Xsenia Aterley
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:36:00 -
[1513]
Really pathetic from CCP, shame on you.
Oh wait, I want change the name of my alliance, sure I can isn't it?
I want to call it "Red Phone T20"!
I can pay, send you naked girls or whatever you want, thank you!
Rules are for each player, no exception.
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ahmed kassar
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:36:00 -
[1514]
I support
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Sugarush
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:37:00 -
[1515]
Nobody gets special treatment. +1
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Beaty Swollocks
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:38:00 -
[1516]
Btw you guys need to make more alts to spam this thread tbh, not enough so far.
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Nicroth
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:38:00 -
[1517]
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Zard Kernel
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:40:00 -
[1518]
I support
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sthymj
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:41:00 -
[1519]
No special treatment for anyone please
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Zostera
Minmatar Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:42:00 -
[1520]
Originally by: Ann Ripley
Originally by: Rayzol Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:34 Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:24 My first post after 1 yr of eve playing... (besides tech. support) So imagine how i feel about this.
You realy know who bob is and why goons hate them?? You are a meager fetus in eve standards so shouldnt have a right to vote on this tbfh
Ah, and therein lies the issue.
You see sir, every player has a right to comment on breaches of the rules irrespective of their time in game or alliance affiliation. The rules and interpretation of them should not be exclusive to BoB.
Zos
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Zeleznick Greystall
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:44:00 -
[1521]
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Velvet Angel
SUNDERING Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:45:00 -
[1522]
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kaay
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:47:00 -
[1523]
+1
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Thalen Draganos
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:47:00 -
[1524]
Originally by: Ydoc Llezsor
Originally by: Thalen Draganos
Originally by: Jane Indy Couldn't we all live in a peaceful world without *****ing?
An alliance changed it's name..
BIG DEAL
You just don't get it do you.
go home
You afraid that BoB is gonna win so you have to disband em again to make you feel like you actually beat them?
Band of Brothers, Brothers Reloaded, Developers Reloaded, ******ed, or whatever was beaten fairly. Are you, i mean they afraid of being forgotten that badly as just another alliance so they have to get the GMs to save them? Go Away
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Didier Oriol
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:47:00 -
[1525]
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Lefai
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:48:00 -
[1526]
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cptgone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:51:00 -
[1527]
+1
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SergiyS
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:51:00 -
[1528]
+1
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temp't ress
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:53:00 -
[1529]
+1
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Rat inn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:54:00 -
[1530]
+1
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dreadnatty
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:55:00 -
[1531]
+1 |
venetian hare
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:55:00 -
[1532]
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tradebot
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:56:00 -
[1533]
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fightnkill
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:57:00 -
[1534]
I don't feel like playing this game anymore
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groundctrl
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:57:00 -
[1535]
+1
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Inf LaTable
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:58:00 -
[1536]
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Lock Mar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:58:00 -
[1537]
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Montasque
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:58:00 -
[1538]
Originally by: Ann Ripley
Originally by: Rayzol Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:34 Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:24 My first post after 1 yr of eve playing... (besides tech. support) So imagine how i feel about this.
You realy know who bob is and why goons hate them?? You are a meager fetus in eve standards so shouldnt have a right to vote on this tbfh
Take your elitism and stuff it.
If you pay to play this game, you get a vote.
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gaga rin
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:58:00 -
[1539]
+1
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Dread Madcat
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:00:00 -
[1540]
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Falaricae
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:04:00 -
[1541]
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Gunny135
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:05:00 -
[1542]
That must be an joke from ccp ! REMOVE them !!!
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Elosywn
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:06:00 -
[1543]
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Desiree Mabuto
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:06:00 -
[1544]
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CePoBoDopoD
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:07:00 -
[1545]
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:07:00 -
[1546]
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ann Ripley
Originally by: Rayzol Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:34 Edited by: Rayzol on 24/03/2009 16:19:24 My first post after 1 yr of eve playing... (besides tech. support) So imagine how i feel about this.
You realy know who bob is and why goons hate them?? You are a meager fetus in eve standards so shouldnt have a right to vote on this tbfh
Since we're excluding voters now, you shouldn't be allowed to vote because you belong to the alliance in question~
Neither should you for currently being in direct conflict with the alliance in question~
If that rule applied (and to alts as well) that would probably remove like 90% of the votes in here.
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Jacuro
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:07:00 -
[1547]
Supported.
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Karezan
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:09:00 -
[1548]
Originally by: Ar'tee
Originally by: Mach3 This is going to have more pages than the POS exploit thread
It does, by now. That thread has 48 pages. Interestingly, these threads are now the biggest two threads in recent Assembly Hall history. Some might call it telling that they deal with a similar topic: lack of transparency and doubts about the evenhandedness of CCP's handling of rule-bending events.
You'd think that at some point CCP would have gotten the message. Yet, they keep making the same kind of mistake over and over.
Funny, that.
Yeah, goons spamming certainly indicates which topics are in need of attention.
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Sasha J
Kumovi Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:10:00 -
[1549]
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Djothor
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:11:00 -
[1550]
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Tao Min
Tiger Research Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:11:00 -
[1551]
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Mynas Atoch
UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:12:00 -
[1552]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 24/03/2009 18:13:02 if only for the drama and to make them feel even MORE persecuted!
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Lothros Andastar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:14:00 -
[1553]
Shame on you CCP!
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Montmazar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:15:00 -
[1554]
I'm a new player who was drawn to this game after hearing about the whole Bob disbanding drama. The idea of a game where player created countries fight and win by real world espionage turned this game from something I'd never heard of to something I had to play. The true sandbox - game makers set the rules, and within those rules players do whatever they want, that is tremendously appealing.
Changing the rules when the rules do something you don't like ruins all of that. |
AfroOfDoom
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:21:00 -
[1555]
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:22:00 -
[1556]
Edited by: Avon on 24/03/2009 18:22:41 To be fair, I can think of one notable example of this happening previously. However, as BoB wasn't involved, and in fact the people in question are allies of our enemies, I very much doubt we will see a similar threadnaught demanding they are disbanded.
It's a name people. The name of collection of geeks in an interweb astro-warrior game. Chillax.
Added: "Redux" would have got my vote over "Reloaded" - just sayin'
アニメ漫画です
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laotse
Gallente The Flying Dutchmen
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:24:00 -
[1557]
ccp bob fan boy,s nothing new
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Gelst
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:26:00 -
[1558]
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Ischmael
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:26:00 -
[1559]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 24/03/2009 18:22:41 To be fair, I can think of one notable example of this happening previously. However, as BoB wasn't involved, and in fact the people in question are allies of our enemies, I very much doubt we will see a similar threadnaught demanding they are disbanded.
It's a name people. The name of collection of geeks in an interweb astro-warrior game. Chillax.
Added: "Redux" would have got my vote over "Reloaded" - just sayin'
no u.
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Will Hunter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:30:00 -
[1560]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 24/03/2009 18:22:41
Added: "Redux" would have got my vote over "Reloaded" - just sayin'
BOB2: electric boogaloo
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Nytemaster
The Perfect Storm Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:32:00 -
[1561]
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Yana Marr
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:32:00 -
[1562]
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Ceratin
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:35:00 -
[1563]
Aye aye captain mcgry ------------
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Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:35:00 -
[1564]
Aye =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
adomma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:35:00 -
[1565]
disband
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CAPTAIN INSAINO
Omega Enterprises Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:36:00 -
[1566]
Yuuuup
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Freyja Ascadar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:38:00 -
[1567]
/signed
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Babbette
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:41:00 -
[1568]
If they wouldn't fix Star Fraction they shouldn't have fixed Kenny. CCP's got some 'xplaining to do IMO.
Babbette
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Trauli
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:44:00 -
[1569]
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Vendolius
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:45:00 -
[1570]
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PsychoBones
No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:45:00 -
[1571]
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Mumisenic
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:47:00 -
[1572]
Equal treatment
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Youhei
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:51:00 -
[1573]
Edited by: Youhei on 24/03/2009 18:50:48 yarr
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Los Muertos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:51:00 -
[1574]
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Twoside
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:51:00 -
[1575]
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:53:00 -
[1576]
Originally by: Euriti unf unf unf
My sentiments exactly.
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:55:00 -
[1577]
No.
I like all the crying.
************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Feisty Kitten
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Posted - 2009.03.24 18:56:00 -
[1578]
so, you're not content with taking all their sov...you'll now go after them for getting a name change. Jesus christ...give it a rest
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Skoot
Gallente Gladiators of Rage
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:04:00 -
[1579]
Edited by: Skoot on 24/03/2009 19:05:22
Originally by: Feisty Kitten so, you're not content with taking all their sov...you'll now go after them for getting a name change. Jesus christ...give it a rest
All of their sov wasnt taken which is why everyone is making a big deal, duh.
P.S. you spelled your name wrong
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floetenpoldi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:06:00 -
[1580]
i am only the scout.
The fleet is 2 jumps behind me :-) |
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Darkie82
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:07:00 -
[1581]
what a shame CCP...
/disband BOBR
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SFX Bladerunner
Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:11:00 -
[1582]
__________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |
Vladmir Loki
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:11:00 -
[1583]
Edited by: Vladmir Loki on 24/03/2009 19:14:31 I really can't believe we're still seeing this type of treatment. How is CCP trying to be neutral? You'd think that they would have learned their lesson the last, oh, i don't know, 3 times they were caught in bed with BOB. Seriously. These events don't affect me directly, but it still bothers me.
And actually, I don't think disbanding BOBR is enough. I think that all corps in BOBR should be disbanded and the corp members shouldn't be allowed to be in a corp/gang/alliance together, ever.
************************************* Spoony G > CCP will have to reimburse me for what i paid for all that iskies |
Squall5668
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:11:00 -
[1584]
Multiple broken rules... i support this
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:11:00 -
[1585]
Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 24/03/2009 18:22:41 To be fair, I can think of one notable example of this happening previously. However, as BoB wasn't involved, and in fact the people in question are allies of our enemies, I very much doubt we will see a similar threadnaught demanding they are disbanded.
It's a name people. The name of collection of geeks in an interweb astro-warrior game. Chillax.
Added: "Redux" would have got my vote over "Reloaded" - just sayin'
I keep hearing people claim that this has happened before, but I have yet to see an actual example. Looks like this is appropriate again...
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xAnimAx
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:11:00 -
[1586]
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Lady Punjab
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:13:00 -
[1587]
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TryMyProduct
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:15:00 -
[1588]
rules are rules, and everyone must follow them.
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nox9wyrm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:17:00 -
[1589]
they must lose sov and pay to remake alliance. not just change the name for free. this is sad.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:17:00 -
[1590]
like bob is only one, I've petitioned for my alt name to be changed from stupid letters kdkgfjkdjhg to a real name and got it :) and you'd be shocked the favors to certain large carebear corp on reimbursements
ah well, the squeaky wheel gets the grease...
good thing other corps know how to keep their mouth shut when a small favor comes their way.
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Mr Crepsley
SkillzKillz United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:17:00 -
[1591]
+1 ----
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Fortiter
Kurtz's Kommandos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:20:00 -
[1592]
Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Nicholas DW
Invicta. Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:20:00 -
[1593]
**** bob, **** ccp.
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Calimer0m0nster
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:21:00 -
[1594]
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Slay
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:21:00 -
[1595]
Edited by: Slay on 24/03/2009 19:21:57
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negromonga
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:23:00 -
[1596]
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Dire Radiant
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:23:00 -
[1597]
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Bloodhands
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:24:00 -
[1598]
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Myllonn
Gallente ICE is Coming to EVE
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:26:00 -
[1599]
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Aftenbar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:27:00 -
[1600]
I support the 1 game 1 rule post.
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Sothep
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:29:00 -
[1601]
One law to rule us all, or abolish them all. This is one slippery slope. |
Felix Valentine
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:31:00 -
[1602]
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R4d1o4ct1v3
Caldari MySQL Real Escape String
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:34:00 -
[1603]
Originally by: Slaveone [...] This has never been done for an alliance, character, or corporation, ever. [...]
Well then, now you have a previous example next time this happens.
It's a name change for the love of BoB... Does it actually make a difference to you people? Is it hurting you in some way?
P.S. /me is in no way connected to BoB.
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Lady Carris
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:34:00 -
[1604]
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Dayanara Ryell
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:34:00 -
[1605]
I just don't get it.
I don't understand how CCP can keep doing this kind of crap and not think they're doing anything wrong....
We're Recruiting! |
Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:36:00 -
[1606]
Originally by: Salastil There is a mechanic preventing this, your leaders decided talking on a microphone made you trustworthy so they removed this in favor of instantly unlocking or locking of BPO or other corporate tasks. One such task is kicking corporations and stealing the wallet. Don't expect your debit card to not be used when the pin is written on the front of it when it's stolen.
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Weage Shalzeth
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:40:00 -
[1607]
suppppp
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0rac
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:42:00 -
[1608]
Edited by: 0rac on 24/03/2009 19:42:50 signed
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Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:42:00 -
[1609]
Originally by: Vladmir Loki Edited by: Vladmir Loki on 24/03/2009 19:14:31 I really can't believe we're still seeing this type of treatment. How is CCP trying to be neutral? You'd think that they would have learned their lesson the last, oh, i don't know, 3 times they were caught in bed with BOB. Seriously. These events don't affect me directly, but it still bothers me.
And actually, I don't think disbanding BOBR is enough. I think that all corps in BOBR should be disbanded and the corp members shouldn't be allowed to be in a corp/gang/alliance together, ever.
Lol, that's what this is really all about. You guys should be happy bob is here, it takes the microscope off all the other alliances doing things you'd have fits about.
DD changes
Docking PVP games |
El Muerte
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:43:00 -
[1610]
So, I am sitting here at work eating lunch and I am telling my co-worker...
This food is bland I think it needs some salt.
Lo and behold I run across this thread full of PL/GS/MM and their alts tears.
Life just doesn't get any better then this.
1st Failure Being who you are. 2nd Failure We take our Caps back 3rd Failure Your crying about a name.
If your scared just say your scared.
I tell you. I love my alliance and the people the allies that I fly with.
When the alliance got disband and it's assets stolen all I heard over Ts was people laughing and the top brass telling everyone sit tight.
Plz more salt.. my lunch is starting to taste that much better and maybe I'll be able to save some for dinner.
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Altek2k
SkillzKillz
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:44:00 -
[1611]
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Toice
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:44:00 -
[1612]
Edited by: Toice on 24/03/2009 19:44:51
Originally by: Kewso like bob is only one, I've petitioned for my alt name to be changed from stupid letters kdkgfjkdjhg to a real name and got it :) and you'd be shocked the favors to certain large carebear corp on reimbursements
ah well, the squeaky wheel gets the grease...
good thing other corps know how to keep their mouth shut when a small favor comes their way.
Sorry I don't believe this for a second. I have a corpmate that was unable to change their name and we are just a regular corp in eve, no strings attached. And if it is true for you, then once again why the breaking of their oh-so-strict policy for some and not others? Either way, its a screwup. That is the issue here, enforcing the rules uniformly for all players.
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Maverick McDougel
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:44:00 -
[1613]
The rules should apply equally to all not at the whim of some GM who decides to break them for someone.
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Blih Nox
For Great Justice
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:45:00 -
[1614]
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Morwen Lagann
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:45:00 -
[1615]
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Jhereck
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:46:00 -
[1616]
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Kim Wilde
Covenant
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:47:00 -
[1617]
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Sakphul
Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:48:00 -
[1618]
We are Riders on the Storm. The Our time is coming soon, to bring what you deserve! |
Piggyblink
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:49:00 -
[1619]
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Stelteck
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:49:00 -
[1620]
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Armadaus Baldwin
International House of PWNCakes Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:49:00 -
[1621]
Edited by: Armadaus Baldwin on 24/03/2009 19:49:42
In honor of 02-05-09, and our new Goon Overlords.
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Tanyo Daye
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:50:00 -
[1622]
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Goshindo
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:51:00 -
[1623]
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LOPEZ
HOMELESS. The Shelter
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:51:00 -
[1624]
Revelation Eclipse |
YuuLike FryLice
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:52:00 -
[1625]
Edited by: YuuLike FryLice on 24/03/2009 19:53:51
Originally by: El Muerte
1st Failure Being a corp full of people who are allowed to do what they want and have fun. 2nd Failure Manning the biggest, longest station camp in the history of the game, enabling GS capfleets to afk shoot towers. 3rd Failure Expecting rules that are said to apply to everyone to actually apply to everyone.
hey guys he's right look how much we suck |
Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:53:00 -
[1626]
Originally by: El Muerte idiocy
Haha, goons failed because you got camped into an npc station for a month.
That's some serious spin.
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I'raden
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:53:00 -
[1627]
Disband them !
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KINGmann
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:54:00 -
[1628]
Edited by: KINGmann on 24/03/2009 19:54:13
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:55:00 -
[1629]
supporting ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Jason Edward
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:57:00 -
[1630]
Though if you look at the alliance rankings. It still says kenzoku
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Andrew IFA
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:57:00 -
[1631]
Or maybe even let them keep their new name, but change the ticker to .T20.
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Prince Malchezaar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:00:00 -
[1632]
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Sorlaan Shenji
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:00:00 -
[1633]
Edited by: Sorlaan Shenji on 24/03/2009 20:00:53 oops ignore this post
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YuuLike FryLice
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:02:00 -
[1634]
Originally by: Jason Edward Though if you look at the alliance rankings. It still says kenzoku
That's because the alliance number in the server code hasn't changed.
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Auvuane
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:03:00 -
[1635]
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Waarph
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:07:00 -
[1636]
shame on CCP
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Hakheane
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:13:00 -
[1637]
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fencer35
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:13:00 -
[1638]
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Golden Helmet
The Python Cartel. Gang Bang Theory
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:14:00 -
[1639]
Yes. Disband them.
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Cal Naughton
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:15:00 -
[1640]
Rules shouldn't be ignored for any alliance. Either let every alliance do it or none.
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Matonius2
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:15:00 -
[1641]
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Helicity Boson
The Python Cartel. Gang Bang Theory
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:16:00 -
[1642]
No more preferential treatments!
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Rashmika Clavain
Revelation Space
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:19:00 -
[1643]
Is this the queue for free T2 BPO's? Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Dastycakes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:20:00 -
[1644]
cry more it doesnt make you all look pathetic or anything. This is not the first time something like this has happened but because big bad bob you are all afraid of is involved it must be bad.
Your tears they are delicious
There are some goons -dastommy79 |
YuuLike FryLice
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:22:00 -
[1645]
Edited by: YuuLike FryLice on 24/03/2009 20:24:48
Originally by: Dastycakes This is not the first time something like this has happened
You are correct, this is at least the third or fourth time that a CCP employee has unfairly favored BoB.
EDIT: there's plenty of pubbies and even bob pets posting in favor of this. It really is an issue that transcends player politics. A developer has to ensure that all of their employees act impartially, period. There's no rational way to argue against that.
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Tynian Erath
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:27:00 -
[1646]
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TuRtLe HeAd
KrayZ Inc Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:31:00 -
[1647]
Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 24/03/2009 20:32:22 Rename Kennie to Band Of Brothers (or BoBR to BoB)
it was underhand what happened to them and if it happened to any other alliance it would be treated as an exploit. Everyone needs to get off their high Horses and give them the respect they deserve,
CCP should be enforcing measures to make sure alliances like BoB don't get Stung like this again..
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SFShootme
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:31:00 -
[1648]
Edited by: SFShootme on 24/03/2009 20:31:28 i've failed to see a single non goon&co+alts post.
Its pretty funny
[VIDEO] Paroxysm
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Naruthor
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:31:00 -
[1649]
disband them.... or sov 0
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Tahreem
Rather Odd Industrial Dynasty
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:32:00 -
[1650]
------- Ceo of Rather odd industrial dynasty, We build the things rather odd
Rorq Sale 1 2nd to.. search name |
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Hauns
Momentary Lapse of Reason
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:33:00 -
[1651]
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Andrea Skye
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:33:00 -
[1652]
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Azmat
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:34:00 -
[1653]
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Montmazar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:38:00 -
[1654]
Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 24/03/2009 20:31:28 i've failed to see a single non goon&co+alts post.
Its pretty funny
Sure, it's all a grand conspiracy. What could possibly be objectionable to rule changes and favoritism, especially towards Eve's least pleasant group of Beardos?
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Saali Demonis
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:40:00 -
[1655]
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Montmazar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:40:00 -
[1656]
also: not an alt. And too new a/o dumb to figure out how to put my corp (tribal liberation) under my name. But looking through this thread, I do see a whole lot of people with corporations that aren't Goonswarm. Amazing how deep and insidious this goonswarm conspiracy goes.
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Alicia Charon
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:41:00 -
[1657]
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Meatay
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:43:00 -
[1658]
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Alferl
The X-Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:45:00 -
[1659]
It's a shame what is done in the past time for BoB. Stop it right now CCP! Voted for disband that namechange!
---------------------------------------------- Alien Life Form Enjoy Real Life - and YOU?!? |
Necrocia
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:45:00 -
[1660]
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Robert0288
g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:45:00 -
[1661]
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Adarr
g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:47:00 -
[1662]
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RazorCRO
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:47:00 -
[1663]
56 page sniper
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Thodoros
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:49:00 -
[1664]
Signed.
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Killljoy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:49:00 -
[1665]
Petioned this abuse of GM powers with no responce so far.
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Valarya
Retribution Angels
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:49:00 -
[1666]
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Alexandra Frigaro
Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:51:00 -
[1667]
Edited by: Alexandra Frigaro on 24/03/2009 20:51:35
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Major Buttache
Coded Arms Coded Arms Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:53:00 -
[1668]
Not that it will make one wit of difference.....
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El Muerte
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:53:00 -
[1669]
Originally by: Kheldon Fel
Originally by: El Muerte idiocy
Haha, goons failed because you got camped into an npc station for a month.
That's some serious spin.
No actually they fail because we got out.
Good thing you didn't finish school. I would have had to be worried about you.
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Tjarish
Evil Plankton The Church.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:56:00 -
[1670]
NO ______________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward.
Whoever cannot take care of imself without that law is both.
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Pilux
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Posted - 2009.03.24 20:59:00 -
[1671]
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Gallente Caliente
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:00:00 -
[1672]
Edited by: Gallente Caliente on 24/03/2009 21:01:12
Originally by: El Muerte
No actually they fail because we got out.
Good thing you didn't finish school. I would have had to be worried about you.
Was getting out the reloaded part? Did anyone bother to explain blanks aren't real bullets? ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info |
Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:02:00 -
[1673]
Originally by: El Muerte No actually they fail because we got out.
Good thing you didn't finish school. I would have had to be worried about you.
No we failed to realize that even after you got out you would still just lose caps and not gain any space. I think if we had known as much we wouldn't have bothered camping you into pr- in the first place.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:05:00 -
[1674]
CCP is violating our civil rights. Someone call Martin Luther Goon. ---
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Erosie
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:13:00 -
[1675]
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Silent Sins
Deliciously Vicious
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:13:00 -
[1676]
NO to preferential treatment.
YES to consequences. ------------------------------ ------------------------------
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Rochel Hakiri
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:15:00 -
[1677]
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karttoon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:23:00 -
[1678]
They used Kenzoku as an alliance because it gave them a sov advantage day 1. If they don't like that choice, there are ways to change your alliance name through non-developer intervention.
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Kate Stormbringer
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:23:00 -
[1679]
I support this.
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ZeNNa
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:25:00 -
[1680]
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Fragito
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:26:00 -
[1681]
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Namco
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:27:00 -
[1682]
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MooKids
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:28:00 -
[1683]
-------------------------------- CCP can patch away bugs, but they can't patch away stupidity. |
Cometbuster
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:30:00 -
[1684]
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YuuLike FryLice
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:30:00 -
[1685]
Actually, you know what? They managed to find a name that sucks even more than random japanese gibberish. And it makes it easier for us to scam using the REAL BoB. I say let 'em keep the name.
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Krilgen Bex
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:34:00 -
[1686]
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MartinLuther GoonJr
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:37:00 -
[1687]
Edited by: MartinLuther GoonJr on 24/03/2009 21:37:57
Originally by: Cipher7
CCP is violating our civil rights. Someone call Martin Luther Goon.
I have a dream.... That all players are treated Equally, and the creators of our grand universe follow the rules that they have claimed a desire to enforce on behalf of all of us. That those Band of Brothers would gain the advantage of real stability through professional therapy. That each and every player can play this wonderful game without fear of favoritism of one group over another in regards to the rules.
.....and thnx for the idea Cipher7......hehehe
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:38:00 -
[1688]
Originally by: YuuLike FryLice Actually, you know what? They managed to find a name that sucks even more than random japanese gibberish. And it makes it easier for us to scam using the REAL BoB. I say let 'em keep the name.
This issue isn't about new bob name, it's about a change in CCP public policy that they haven't made public.
If they are providing alliance name changing services, they need to let everyone know how to do it
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LlamaOfDoom
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:40:00 -
[1689]
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Shikome Alluin
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:45:00 -
[1690]
Originally by: YuuLike FryLice Actually, you know what? They managed to find a name that sucks even more than random japanese gibberish. And it makes it easier for us to scam using the REAL BoB. I say let 'em keep the name.
Just to plaster this up again for the Beaver fans:
It is not about the name! I mean don't get me wrong, the new name is hilariously bad "Reloaded"? Somewhere Laurence Fishburn is taking the Blue Pill...
Its about the bending of rules by CCP yet again. Why have an "internal affairs" department promising oversight and then go bend the rules for the same guys that prompted the "Internal affairs" department in the first place? (t20 etc, etc)
And please, do not point out GM Grimmies smokescreen "nothing to see here, move along" post. Apparently we are deemed 12 years old. (no I'm not :P)
- Aloha mr Hand |
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False Faith
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:46:00 -
[1691]
i support this petition. one set of rules for all players. no exceptions.
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LASER WATCHER
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:46:00 -
[1692]
Originally by: Jade Constantine ...not to mention that goons will never, ever stop being little children, no matter what.
shut up
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Ginger Sling
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:53:00 -
[1693]
Originally by: YuuLike FryLice Actually, you know what? They managed to find a name that sucks even more than random japanese gibberish. And it makes it easier for us to scam using the REAL BoB. I say let 'em keep the name.
I agree that it will be fun trolling them out of this name as well, but the issue here is that CCP bent the rules for these arrogant buttes, which is totally unacceptable. BoB knew the rules when they chose to run with KenZoku and keep sov over having sov take a little longer and creating a name that isn't stupid. They should have to live with this choice, or do as everyone else does and have to lose sov to form a new alliance. I'm sure hundreds of players have petitioned to change an alliance name in the history of this game, and this is the first case of it happening. On top of that, it doesn't even follow proper naming convention (25 characters instead of 24, and lowercase letters in the corp ticker)!
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Deriger
SynOpInc Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:55:00 -
[1694]
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Drazi1
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:56:00 -
[1695]
I spk for myself, and my view does not reflect my allaince's view in anyway I hereby place my vote to get ridof BOB Reloaded, 1 Rule for all, no bias to one alliance period.
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SZ Rota
Caldari Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:57:00 -
[1696]
Aye.
Man I hate getting lied to all the time by CCP.
CCP, you did NOT have a flexible policy with regard to renaming alliances.
CCP, you DID consistently make corps and alliances disband and reform to change their names. The game is about 6 years old. We have 6 years of history to see how things worked.
CCP,
BoB/Kenny/Beaver asked you to cheat. They asked you to do something that you hadnĈt in the past done for anyone else, nor would do for anyone else.
They asked you to cheat for them, and CCP you did it.
You, CCP, can blah blah blah rationalize and lie all you want, but thatĈs all it boils down to, plain and simple.
I donĈt care what side of the war a person is on.
I donĈt care if someone wants to be called Prince.
I donĈt care if someone wants to be a weirdo and use odd symbols in a name and be referred to as ĉthe artist formerly known as Prince,Ĉ
ItĈs not the name that matters.
What matters is that with incidents like this, CCP demonstrates how dishonest, insulting, and unprofessional they are on some issues.
This leads to the bigger question which is: If theyĈre willing to act so poorly in the public eye, what nonsense are they pulling when they know nobody is watching.
To those that say ôout with the conspiracy theories and away with the tinfoil hats,ö I say,
You are dodging the issue. Stop. Just stop. ItĈs all just blah blah blah to me.
I, and others who are angry, do not have conspiracy theories and tales of alien abduction and CIA planned coups.
BoB asked CCP to cheat for them. CCP did it. If CCP did that, and other things, on behalf of BoB, they arenĈt trustworthy.
ItĈs plain, itĈs simple, itĈs public, itĈs fact.
CCP might get some things right, but they got this and a bunch of other things absolutely WRONG.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:57:00 -
[1697]
An interesting thing to note is that issue is a public one - as opposed to private one. The subject of discussion is not a character, not a person. It is a pure game entity. Therefore, there is no reason to hide any GM action or conversation. All GM action on this matter should be publicly available, because there is no valid reason to keep it hidden.
Is there a reason to hide this information? let people know
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Lizhia Birath
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:02:00 -
[1698]
Give us the list of criterias that needs to be filled for a wish to change alliance name to be approved. And the timeframe starting at alliance creation within whitch the petition must be filed.
If you are going to give silly answeres as in the GM thread atleast have the ****ing balls to back it up with something other then empty words..
Ive been playing since 06 and every year some silly **** about CCP favouring one entity is brought up and more often then not you can guess who is on the reciving end.. (Well, not any more since we don't know what the hell bob wants to call themselves next week)
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Nuhvok
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:05:00 -
[1699]
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Doltish
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:07:00 -
[1700]
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Traderjohn
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:07:00 -
[1701]
Edited by: Traderjohn on 24/03/2009 22:08:51
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Alaesie Sun
The X-Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:09:00 -
[1702]
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magmando
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:11:00 -
[1703]
Edited by: magmando on 24/03/2009 22:14:15 CCP your community are asking for an explination as to what is going on and why it seems that you are increasingly bias to 1 faction in eve.
1st. Saying in a pre prepared statment that Kenzoku request there name to be change when they formed up there alliance. However the corps known as Band of Brothers corps, Were not even in Kenzoku. So your statment GM Grimmi is false information. Unless you are saying that they asked for a name change 2 months before there alliance was disbanded. Making false and Unjust decisions against EULA when this is what governs CCP is against your own legal documentation.
2nd. This whole issue is mostly with regards to CCP making rules, setting them in motion, Making them a legal document. Then changing aspects of it to allow an alliance to control CCP decision making. Internal affairs seems to think this decision has no bias in this. However your own EULA rules commented by people in this thread signed by Senior managment at White Wolf and CCP Game is critisized for controlling in game politics.
3rd. Game exploits, Dont even try to say that Band of Brothers were not involved with this. Their own leadership has said "If there is a game mechanic we can use so we get the upper hand, we will!" Seeing large numbers of towers in 1 place setup the same, announcements by CCP of the setups matching these setups used in previously owned space Delve.
Then it comes down to supercapital reimbursement for no reason at all. Reimbursement of titans because "they have lag". When further released documentation by CCP Games has said that Lag is not an excuse to replace ships lost in a combat situation. However to reimburse 2 Titan Class ships to 1 previously mention alliance is getting a little rediclious.
So through all of this. I would like to ask some simple questions. Is it also fair to assume that a chars in game name of "Sir Molle" is a CCP employee
1. Who does Govern CCP and why are they allowed to interfere with in game mechanics. Who completes the audit needed which manages CCP.
2. Can we get a statment with a real actual reason as to why CCP Games and White Wolf felt that a name change of an alliance was critical. Then to plz also comment why a name is meant to be "4-24 chars" long, However Band of Brothers Reloaded is 25.
3. Plz provide a list as to any alliance who has their Alliance name changed in the same fashion as this (Also quoted in your prepared statment)
4. Will CSA be allowed to have interaction with this decision making. With this thread now reaching 57 pages, which is 1697 Posts and alot of posts in favor by the CCP community to not change the name.
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Wu Jiaqiu
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:15:00 -
[1704]
Supported.
Something like this required attention and voting of the full EVE online community. If one name gets changed due to petitions, then EVERYONES names can be changed.
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Gregorri
Gallente Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:17:00 -
[1705]
This is truely amazing. All your posturing. All your petty demands.
you dont get it do you.
They do NOT have to prove or provide you ANYTHING. They have N O T H I N G to awnser for. You are not some all powerful agency who can shut them down for non-compliance. There are NO laws to bend them to.
The only thing they would respond to is loss of revenue. If you really want them to listen....
Quit.
But funny thing is EVERYONE posting thier little thumbs up in this thread and the other 1200 threads wont quit.
So keep screaming into the wind. I wonder sometimes where the world would be if more people went to this length and put this much passion into real life issues...
Just LOL
PS The CSM is nothing more than a sham, something to make you think you have a real voice.... sad really...
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Alton Jin
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:20:00 -
[1706]
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Palmer Eldritch
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:23:00 -
[1707]
Originally by: Gregorri This is truely amazing. All your posturing. All your petty demands.
you dont get it do you.
They do NOT have to prove or provide you ANYTHING. They have N O T H I N G to awnser for. You are not some all powerful agency who can shut them down for non-compliance. There are NO laws to bend them to.
The only thing they would respond to is loss of revenue. If you really want them to listen....
Quit.
But funny thing is EVERYONE posting thier little thumbs up in this thread and the other 1200 threads wont quit.
So keep screaming into the wind. I wonder sometimes where the world would be if more people went to this length and put this much passion into real life issues...
Just LOL
PS The CSM is nothing more than a sham, something to make you think you have a real voice.... sad really...
I think people keep playing because they enjoy the game. I'm glad they play, because the game would be a lot less fun without other players (even the ones in the alliances we are at war with).
However, I think people also want every player, corporation and alliance to obey the same rules. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
Lizhia Birath
Minmatar Rogue Industrial Group The Fifth Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:25:00 -
[1708]
Originally by: Gregorri This is truely amazing. All your posturing. All your petty demands.
you dont get it do you.
They do NOT have to prove or provide you ANYTHING. They have N O T H I N G to awnser for. You are not some all powerful agency who can shut them down for non-compliance. There are NO laws to bend them to.
The only thing they would respond to is loss of revenue. If you really want them to listen....
Quit.
But funny thing is EVERYONE posting thier little thumbs up in this thread and the other 1200 threads wont quit.
So keep screaming into the wind. I wonder sometimes where the world would be if more people went to this length and put this much passion into real life issues...
Just LOL
PS The CSM is nothing more than a sham, something to make you think you have a real voice.... sad really...
Yea, **** you all for demanding clarification on what rules are in place vOv
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Schneemann
Minmatar Intergalactic Serenity Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:25:00 -
[1709]
oh no... we dont have a spy in the bob holding corp to disband them again... lets flame ccp....
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Moloc's
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:25:00 -
[1710]
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shuckstar
Gallente Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:27:00 -
[1711]
Not supported, couldnt give a **** what poeple call themselves tbh.
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Talon Scorpio
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:27:00 -
[1712]
law or justice? We all know that the disbanding of bob was done in a way that begs the question of what was intended by CCP policy with regard to the one button option. That sort of thing was not intended to be used in the way it was. We know that. Further, the letter of the law...is open to interpretation in its application. And none of you are the judges in this case. You are the public.
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Akoudoulos
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:28:00 -
[1713]
CCP has done it again, KEnny can have whatever name they wish, but they must do it the proper way, leave Kenzoku and create a new alliance as BOBR no problem here
but renaming an alliance is pure nonsense and against the rules, guess i ll start petitions to change my name cause... well at least i have a valid reason it starts from A and when i began eve i had no idea of what impact will have in fleet fights
Do not disband BOBR but change their name back to Kenzoku, if they wish they can create a new alliance from scratch as the rest of us peasants
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100ISK HOOKER2
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:29:00 -
[1714]
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Vyre V'Umbra
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:33:00 -
[1715]
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Interscene
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:34:00 -
[1716]
Registering disapproval at the manner and method. Bad precedent, especially with the precedent regarding Sov Mechanics.
I'm not an IRON diplomat or a spokesmen, my words and opinions are my own. Good luck taking them off me, though. |
Akoudoulos
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:35:00 -
[1717]
Originally by: Talon Scorpio law or justice? We all know that the disbanding of bob was done in a way that begs the question of what was intended by CCP policy with regard to the one button option. That sort of thing was not intended to be used in the way it was. We know that. Further, the letter of the law...is open to interpretation in its application. And none of you are the judges in this case. You are the public.
You are complicating simple stuff, Disbanding of BOB even though i do not agree with the action, was under VALID game mechanics, CCP is to say what should be from NOW on and change the specific mechanism, but what has happened is history and more importantly within the rules
On the other hand renaming an already named alliance is AGAINST the rules of CCP not to even mention the character limit. Not a game mechanism not even related to button within the game or option of EVERY single eve pilot, YOU got pumpered again, on the backs of the rest that CANNOT because we MUST follow rules that you do not
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Julius Gherhan
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:39:00 -
[1718]
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workbench
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:40:00 -
[1719]
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Raven Death
Caldari DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:43:00 -
[1720]
Originally by: Gregorri This is truely amazing. All your posturing. All your petty demands.
you dont get it do you.
They do NOT have to prove or provide you ANYTHING. They have N O T H I N G to awnser for. You are not some all powerful agency who can shut them down for non-compliance. There are NO laws to bend them to.
The only thing they would respond to is loss of revenue. If you really want them to listen....
Quit.
But funny thing is EVERYONE posting thier little thumbs up in this thread and the other 1200 threads wont quit.
So keep screaming into the wind. I wonder sometimes where the world would be if more people went to this length and put this much passion into real life issues...
Just LOL
PS The CSM is nothing more than a sham, something to make you think you have a real voice.... sad really...
Plainly said, we the community pay the wages of the gm's devs and any other employee working on this game. so we want answers. Taxpayers get answers when a political figurehead screw up, this is not much different. CCP we need answers now. Please stop avoiding us and trying to dodge a bullet.
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Aktarus
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:44:00 -
[1721]
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:44:00 -
[1722]
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eeeweeezeee
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:44:00 -
[1723]
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
And none of you are the judges in this case. You are the public.
oh mister high and mighty, whats that make you then? why are you special?
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Gregorri
Gallente Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:44:00 -
[1724]
Originally by: Palmer Eldritch
Originally by: Gregorri This is truely amazing. All your posturing. All your petty demands.
you dont get it do you.
They do NOT have to prove or provide you ANYTHING. They have N O T H I N G to awnser for. You are not some all powerful agency who can shut them down for non-compliance. There are NO laws to bend them to.
The only thing they would respond to is loss of revenue. If you really want them to listen....
Quit.
But funny thing is EVERYONE posting thier little thumbs up in this thread and the other 1200 threads wont quit.
So keep screaming into the wind. I wonder sometimes where the world would be if more people went to this length and put this much passion into real life issues...
Just LOL
PS The CSM is nothing more than a sham, something to make you think you have a real voice.... sad really...
I think people keep playing because they enjoy the game. I'm glad they play, because the game would be a lot less fun without other players (even the ones in the alliances we are at war with).
However, I think people also want every player, corporation and alliance to obey the same rules.
Again either you did not fully read my statement, or chose to ignore the point i was making. lets re-clarify:
1.) They can CHANGE rules or policy in the game without advanced notification or clarification. 2.) I was saying the only way to really make them sit up and take notice is a mass cancellation of accounts which in turn would cause a FINANCIAL statement to the 'powers that be' and would cause serious discussion among the top echelon of executives that govern the policies of the company. What most of you still completely fail to realize is that the only true power you wield is the power that comes from your 15(insert currency here) a month. They know that even if 10% of you who have posted quit, your nothing more then a drop in the bucket, because tbqfh 90%+ of EVE's population either doesnt know about the situation or just doesnt really care.
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:45:00 -
[1725]
CCP is too busy sending all of their money to an unknown offshore bank account to respond.
Watergate: Apocrypha. _____
Guns > Missiles. |
Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:50:00 -
[1726]
1. yes the goons whine alot. jesus god please stop whinging. 2. yes, in this case it is warranted. i am not a goon fanboi. pretty much goons are pathetic. 3. can CCP please freaking respond. obviously a lot of people are upset and it does appear to be favoritism. 4. my guess is this is just temporary anyway, .BoB. are having fun at goons expense and they will reform under a new name eventually since the remaining systems they have dont amount to much. 5. people who think the original BoB disbanding shouldnt have been allowed are straight idiots and fanbois. it was legit game mechanics. gtf over it. renaming an alliance without losing sov is not legit game mechanics.
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care crowe
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:50:00 -
[1727]
The same rule of all of us ?
Hum in the old times for sure but not anymore ... and finaly not fair for the rest of our community except kenzoku/bob/bobr !
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Gregorri
Gallente Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:52:00 -
[1728]
Originally by: Raven Death
Originally by: Gregorri This is truely amazing. All your posturing. All your petty demands.
you dont get it do you.
They do NOT have to prove or provide you ANYTHING. They have N O T H I N G to awnser for. You are not some all powerful agency who can shut them down for non-compliance. There are NO laws to bend them to.
The only thing they would respond to is loss of revenue. If you really want them to listen....
Quit.
But funny thing is EVERYONE posting thier little thumbs up in this thread and the other 1200 threads wont quit.
So keep screaming into the wind. I wonder sometimes where the world would be if more people went to this length and put this much passion into real life issues...
Just LOL
PS The CSM is nothing more than a sham, something to make you think you have a real voice.... sad really...
Plainly said, we the community pay the wages of the gm's devs and any other employee working on this game. so we want answers. Taxpayers get answers when a political figurehead screw up, this is not much different. CCP we need answers now. Please stop avoiding us and trying to dodge a bullet.
This is one of the most assinine statements ive read yet. Since you want to compare this to Polotics, if a Polotician screws up yes he must, BY LAW, awnser for his actions or be 1.)Removed/voted out of office 2.)Arrested/imprissoned based on the sevarity of the actions.
THIS is a company providing a service, a service who's terms can be changed at will by said company, in which you AGREED to by clicking the 'accept' button on the liscense agreement.
YOUR only true recourse is to QUIT or DEAL WITH IT.
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Kazaux Aux
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:53:00 -
[1729]
I don't exactly like my name, can i has get it changed?
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:54:00 -
[1730]
Edited by: Recon Three on 24/03/2009 22:54:58
Originally by: Gregorri
THIS is a company providing a service, a service who's terms can be changed at will by said company, in which you AGREED to by clicking the 'accept' button on the liscense agreement.
YOUR only true recourse is to QUIT or DEAL WITH IT.[/quote
They haven't been changed though. :> _____
Guns > Missiles. |
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:55:00 -
[1731]
Originally by: Gregorri
Originally by: Palmer Eldritch
Originally by: Gregorri This is truely amazing. All your posturing. All your petty demands.
you dont get it do you.
They do NOT have to prove or provide you ANYTHING. They have N O T H I N G to awnser for. You are not some all powerful agency who can shut them down for non-compliance. There are NO laws to bend them to.
The only thing they would respond to is loss of revenue. If you really want them to listen....
Quit.
But funny thing is EVERYONE posting thier little thumbs up in this thread and the other 1200 threads wont quit.
So keep screaming into the wind. I wonder sometimes where the world would be if more people went to this length and put this much passion into real life issues...
Just LOL
PS The CSM is nothing more than a sham, something to make you think you have a real voice.... sad really...
I think people keep playing because they enjoy the game. I'm glad they play, because the game would be a lot less fun without other players (even the ones in the alliances we are at war with).
However, I think people also want every player, corporation and alliance to obey the same rules.
Again either you did not fully read my statement, or chose to ignore the point i was making. lets re-clarify:
1.) They can CHANGE rules or policy in the game without advanced notification or clarification. 2.) I was saying the only way to really make them sit up and take notice is a mass cancellation of accounts which in turn would cause a FINANCIAL statement to the 'powers that be' and would cause serious discussion among the top echelon of executives that govern the policies of the company. What most of you still completely fail to realize is that the only true power you wield is the power that comes from your 15(insert currency here) a month. They know that even if 10% of you who have posted quit, your nothing more then a drop in the bucket, because tbqfh 90%+ of EVE's population either doesnt know about the situation or just doesnt really care.
Actually the "prestige" this whole situation brought on the old BoB vs Goon alliances made this known to the whole community. They even update it in the in game news networks. So people do know, look at how many views and supports this topic got.
What made CCP different from the gold digging companies of other games is how well they pay attention to their customers. Take away the core players from the game, then it will fall like a house of cards. One rule for all CCP, no favoritism. Don't allow yourselves to become like one of those companies.
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Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:55:00 -
[1732]
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
how many fsking bugs and poor mechanics are in this game that EVERY FREAKING player has to deal with
you spoiled, cheating piece of crap
and damn, you had a chance to rename your alliance and you chose THAT ? phailbuffet
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poliakov
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:57:00 -
[1733]
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Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:57:00 -
[1734]
Originally by: Endeva also posting with alts is forbidden so i vote for your ban.
this isnt CAOD
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lIjii
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:01:00 -
[1735]
Edited by: lIjii on 24/03/2009 23:01:56 Rules are rules, can't break them, even if it's your own rules. Especially as we all pay equally, and so, have equal rights.
BoB's want BoB back - they start new alliance, and do it the way, everyone's done it before.
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Athennea
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:03:00 -
[1736]
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Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:05:00 -
[1737]
I'm confused, what happened again? A GM did something to favor bob... really, a GM? So this GM did something epicly horrible? And we're sure it's a GM? So and like it was something game changing and unallowable? What could this supposedly GM have done? CHANGE A NAME? Dear god, black is white, up is down, bob are goons.
It's a ****ing game. Something unintended did happen... remember when those guys bumped people out of a POS with titans. Game mechanics were in place to allow it, but zomg, it was so haxorly bad and game changing... it must stop!!! and it did. And players got threatened with bans because of using a game mechanic in an unintended fashion. Take 2, an alliance got disbanded in an unintended way. It wasn't closed, it wasn't disbanded... Corp after corp got kicked until even the executor corp got kicked... not left... from it's own alliance.
Now compared to titan bowling to dooms day a few dozen ships, this is a far greater issue when it comes to game mechanics. BoB lost most of it's space. 3/4 of 0.0 is down here making sure it stays that way. We've laughed, we've giggled, and all that's really happened in the end is, we got our name back... sorta.
Guys, outside your door is this big wide expanse called the outside. If you find yourselves really thinking that this is such a huge deal... get your fat asses up, walk outside, and watch the wind blow and the leaves rustle for a few. Take a look at that real girl jogging down the street. Take a few deep breaths, and then realize that there's far bigger issues in this world than a stupid game name being changed... because ffs, It doesn't affect your life unless you are a cyber tool who can't let it go.
DD changes
Docking PVP games |
R4d1o4ct1v3
Caldari MySQL Real Escape String
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:07:00 -
[1738]
Originally by: Kazaux Aux I don't exactly like my name, can i has get it changed?
Tell me about it
So, now that CCP are allowing name changes, who do I contact to change mine?
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Slipknot Korn
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:08:00 -
[1739]
This is a sig. |
Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:09:00 -
[1740]
Edited by: Recon Three on 24/03/2009 23:09:18 People still don't seem to understand it's not about the name, lol.
If a hooker gave your friend a BJ and gave you nothing despite you paying, would you be mad? Sure.
Now imagine it happening a second time.
ITT: Learning comprehension died. _____
Guns > Missiles. |
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Retepp Nedsmul
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:09:00 -
[1741]
Does the CSM have a position on this?
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Pedowitsch
Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:10:00 -
[1742]
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:11:00 -
[1743]
nerds whining about their e-civil rights
news at 11 ---
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Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:11:00 -
[1744]
Edited by: Yaay on 24/03/2009 23:11:37
Originally by: Xianbei
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
how many fsking bugs and poor mechanics are in this game that EVERY FREAKING player has to deal with
you spoiled, cheating piece of crap
and damn, you had a chance to rename your alliance and you chose THAT ? phailbuffet
oops... Refer to 5 post up please
DD changes
Docking PVP games |
Geralt Rivia
Xanadu
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:11:00 -
[1745]
again , which msn contact was it this time?
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:11:00 -
[1746]
Originally by: Yaay I'm confused, what happened again? A GM did something to favor bob... really, a GM? So this GM did something epicly horrible? And we're sure it's a GM? So and like it was something game changing and unallowable? What could this supposedly GM have done? CHANGE A NAME? Dear god, black is white, up is down, bob are goons.
It's a ****ing game. Something unintended did happen...
The Mittanni clearly INTENDED to disband your alliance.
Also this isn't about a simple name change, its about the rules.
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Thea Yulivee
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:12:00 -
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Surreal Angeline
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:13:00 -
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Akoudoulos
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:13:00 -
[1749]
Originally by: Yaay emo but good post
It is a big deal only because with the name change you kept the sov, you could have done it the proper way as the rest, create a new alliance
I agree with you that game mechanics happen to not work as intended and are getting fixed all the time, but thats game mechanins, alliance name change IS NOT a game mechanism, it is pure favorism and THAT is unacceptable by CCP or ANY other company that want to see their fixed rate paying customers the same
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Gim Memore
Legion Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:14:00 -
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:14:00 -
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Renaming Kenzoku was completely unnecessary, I thought name changes were just for "offensive" names and such, not for people deciding hey we want to jump into this alliance to quickly get some sov and then change it to a new name later
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Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:14:00 -
[1752]
Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
Originally by: Yaay I'm confused, what happened again? A GM did something to favor bob... really, a GM? So this GM did something epicly horrible? And we're sure it's a GM? So and like it was something game changing and unallowable? What could this supposedly GM have done? CHANGE A NAME? Dear god, black is white, up is down, bob are goons.
It's a ****ing game. Something unintended did happen...
The Mittanni clearly INTENDED to disband your alliance.
Also this isn't about a simple name change, its about the rules.
Again, you're quoting rules of a game... not even a real sport, but a cyber online fun game. And even worse, nobody is affected by this one b/c nobody who want's a name change has a history to back up the logic for their change like BoB does.
grow up you tool
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Dhejay Centrix
The Wailing Doom
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:15:00 -
[1753]
Edited by: Dhejay Centrix on 24/03/2009 23:15:29 I'd like an immediate refund of the isk spent when reforming our alliance after it was formed incorrectly the first time please, just for the sake of fairness.
Let's see if that happens....
Disband BoBr... If you pronounce the ticker it sounds more like Band of Bristolians now.
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay remember when WE bumped people out of a POS with titans. Game mechanics were in place to allow it, but zomg, it was so haxorly bad and game changing... it must stop!!! and it did. And players got threatened with bans because of using a game mechanic in an unintended fashion.
Firtst of all I corrected what you said
Actually it was labeled an exploit, and then suddenly because of your whining it was NOT labeled an exploit anymore despite NO in game methods being there to stop it. Then YOU did it dozens of times a day for a solid month, and then the VERY DAY goonswarm launched its first mothership, thereby gaining the capability to do it back to you, the GMs suddenly said it was an exploit again and not to do it.
No sign of favoritism there really.
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |
Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:15:00 -
[1755]
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Originally by: Yaay emo but good post
It is a big deal only because with the name change you kept the sov, you could have done it the proper way as the rest, create a new alliance
I agree with you that game mechanics happen to not work as intended and are getting fixed all the time, but thats game mechanins, alliance name change IS NOT a game mechanism, it is pure favorism and THAT is unacceptable by CCP or ANY other company that want to see their fixed rate paying customers the same
or they could roll back the sov and give us our alliance back... this is the far less of 2 evils... it's not like we didn't suffer initially. Talk about wanting to kick a guy while he's down.
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Princess Scarlite
Heatseekers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:16:00 -
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Major Deviant
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:16:00 -
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iakxos
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:16:00 -
[1758]
shame on ccp.. one rule for all..
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Palmer Eldritch
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:18:00 -
[1759]
Originally by: Yaay
Again, you're quoting rules of a game... not even a real sport, but a cyber online fun game. And even worse, nobody is affected by this one b/c nobody who want's a name change has a history to back up the logic for their change like BoB does.
grow up you tool
So even you admit that this was special favouritism CCP only shows to BoB. ------------ Coranor you all know i can't stand most of the gbc but while we have them we may as well give them something challenging where they can actually learn a bit Dian fair point |
Talon Scorpio
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:20:00 -
[1760]
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Originally by: Talon Scorpio law or justice? We all know that the disbanding of bob was done in a way that begs the question of what was intended by CCP policy with regard to the one button option. That sort of thing was not intended to be used in the way it was. We know that. Further, the letter of the law...is open to interpretation in its application. And none of you are the judges in this case. You are the public.
You are complicating simple stuff, Disbanding of BOB even though i do not agree with the action, was under VALID game mechanics, CCP is to say what should be from NOW on and change the specific mechanism, but what has happened is history and more importantly within the rules
On the other hand renaming an already named alliance is AGAINST the rules of CCP not to even mention the character limit. Not a game mechanism not even related to button within the game or option of EVERY single eve pilot, YOU got pumpered again, on the backs of the rest that CANNOT because we MUST follow rules that you do not
At this point this is a 58 page thread. Of course its complicated. The matter is still under investigation by CCP. Any changes CCP makes will benefit all of EVE. In fact, I could reasonably argue that what CCP has done already has opened up all sorts of possibilities for flexibility in how CCP applies these rules. This game is not static.
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Flo Freak
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:20:00 -
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I support this!
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Recon Three on 24/03/2009 23:22:56 I like your "it's just a game" defense.
"It's just a game, get over the fact we're at the center of yet another rule-breaking fit of nepotism, it's not important. It's just a game. Go outside. Let us sweep this under the carpet with our other shenanigans. NOTHING TO SEE HERE!"
And then you see a CCP logo in an open closet making humping motions towards a loud slurping noise. _____
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Sartyva
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:23:00 -
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The question for me is - would CCP have done this for anyone else? and the answer is obviously no....
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:23:00 -
[1764]
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
Originally by: Yaay I'm confused, what happened again? A GM did something to favor bob... really, a GM? So this GM did something epicly horrible? And we're sure it's a GM? So and like it was something game changing and unallowable? What could this supposedly GM have done? CHANGE A NAME? Dear god, black is white, up is down, bob are goons.
It's a ****ing game. Something unintended did happen...
The Mittanni clearly INTENDED to disband your alliance.
Also this isn't about a simple name change, its about the rules.
Again, you're quoting rules of a game... not even a real sport, but a cyber online fun game. And even worse, nobody is affected by this one b/c nobody who want's a name change has a history to back up the logic for their change like BoB does.
grow up you tool
Quoting the rules of a game is wrong? That shows how ignorant you are.
"Like BoB does" Too bad, CCP shouldnt be choosing favorites over others. A failed alliance is a failed alliance, we can't just bail you out because your too big of a company to fail. /wink wink
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Akoudoulos
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:26:00 -
[1765]
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Originally by: Yaay emo but good post
It is a big deal only because with the name change you kept the sov, you could have done it the proper way as the rest, create a new alliance
I agree with you that game mechanics happen to not work as intended and are getting fixed all the time, but thats game mechanins, alliance name change IS NOT a game mechanism, it is pure favorism and THAT is unacceptable by CCP or ANY other company that want to see their fixed rate paying customers the same
or they could roll back the sov and give us our alliance back... this is the far less of 2 evils... it's not like we didn't suffer initially. Talk about wanting to kick a guy while he's down.
mate have they ever rolled back the server?? not even with the POS exploit that happened, and that was a serious problem, i totally get where you are coming from, if you want to be named KOUKOUROUKOU Band of Brothers thats a valid request, the mechanics of the game allows you to Create any alliance name you want,
the function that got bob disolved WAS a a valid mechanism, right or wrong but it was there, what happened cannot be changed, although CCP must introduce a fix or something because it is really not how disbanding should happen,
But you must follow the rules because atm you didn't and that have impact on the rest, you kept sov 3!
I for example 2-3 weeks ago i petitioned, to change my alts corp history and delete a corp from the list, THAT couldn't hurt anybody, yet i got a negative answer stating that Characters names and history CANNOT be changed, iguess the GM was wrong after all. should i petition again? it was pure sentimental value for my alt to just have 1 corp in his history should i be treated differintly?
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
Quoting the rules of a game is wrong? That shows how ignorant you are.
"Like BoB does" Too bad, CCP shouldnt be choosing favorites over others. A failed alliance is a failed alliance, we can't just bail you out because your too big of a company to fail. /wink wink
Oh snap, bailout reference. IT'S ON! _____
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Alpha Dragh
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:29:00 -
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Nnamuachs
Kiith Paktu Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:31:00 -
[1768]
While i'm not really a fan of Goonswarm, atleast they don't pretend to be some benevolent alliance of loving goody two-shoes and friendly to all like some people assume they should be... they're ****s and that's that...
However, this does set a relatively poor precedent once again that "CCP favors TAFKABOB". Whether through the action of a rogue GM/Dev etc.. (In which this is obviously "not" a case of a rogue GM since it was not "immediately" rectified") In which it seems like a sanctioned change specifically for this alliance, with "less" of a reason to have their name changed than alliances that accidently made a mistype and have to reform their alliance + fees. Kenzoku Existed for quite a few months "before" the former bob corporations joined into it to start on their sov fest. There was no legitimate petition to be made here, there apparently were no complaints about Kenzoku's name until the former BoB members joined up at which point they had no standing. They could have easily created a new alliance on the spot with their preferred name costing them an hour of time at most since alliance creation is instantaneous. They did not do this when it was an option because they had supposedly bigger priorities, and now it has turned into a big PR nightmare for CCP because of their actions in helping former BoB members. I cannot help but put in my support for this matter as it is an obvious violation of CCP's own ethics to break/bend their rules for a singular or limited entity, regardless of how big or small the slight supposedly was it puts into motion a very slippery slope of events.
As a side note.. for those saying (paraphrasing here because quoting every single one of them would use up all my posting space.) "BoB was the first alliance to have this *exploit* (legitimate game mechanic) used on them, so they should be given some leeway". Is a terrible argument for the mere fact that almost the exact same thing happened to Maximum yarrage, and if you did any sort of research you would know that.
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Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 24/03/2009 23:11:37
Originally by: Xianbei
Originally by: Buxaroo Edited by: Buxaroo on 23/03/2009 21:34:19 I already made a bet that someone would make a post like this. Thanks for making me 100 mil isk.
And if it wasn't for a POOR game mechanic, you know, disbanding an alliance in a SECOND when you can't even LEAVE a corp in 24 hours, then there wouldn't be a NEED to a renaming.
how many fsking bugs and poor mechanics are in this game that EVERY FREAKING player has to deal with
you spoiled, cheating piece of crap
and damn, you had a chance to rename your alliance and you chose THAT ? phailbuffet
oops... Refer to 5 post up please
please link a post where CCP says that the game mechanic which lead to Bob disbanding was UNINTENDED game mechanic. please link that post or blog and I will go away.
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Recon Three
Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
Quoting the rules of a game is wrong? That shows how ignorant you are.
"Like BoB does" Too bad, CCP shouldnt be choosing favorites over others. A failed alliance is a failed alliance, we can't just bail you out because your too big of a company to fail. /wink wink
Oh snap, bailout reference. IT'S ON!
Yup thats right, I went there.
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Akoudoulos
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:31:00 -
[1771]
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
If CCP allowes this to happen for you then CCP is obligated to offer the same service for ALL eve pilots, character/alliance/corp name changes with just a petition for no apparent reason, if that happens then i have no problem with the status of KEN/BOBR then i ll vote the name change of yours in a bling
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LikYum
Amarr Health and Beauty Spa
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:32:00 -
[1772]
/signed As George Orwell said in Animal Farm, All animals are equal, except the PIGS who are a little bit more equal.
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Mochaporter
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Scorpio
Of course its complicated.
Actually, it isn't. Alliances before you have had to change their names by abandoning sov. Alliances after you likely will as well. You do not deserve special treatment in any way, shape, or form. I pay the same God damned subscription fee you do.
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Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Scorpio
Any changes CCP makes will benefit all of EVE. In fact, I could reasonably argue that what CCP has done already has opened up all sorts of possibilities for flexibility in how CCP applies these rules. This game is not static.
haha easily said by the alliance that gets whatever it wants. try being a normal player and asking for favors.
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Fluffy Kitten
Mont Pelerin Society
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:34:00 -
[1775]
Heh, CCP does it again.
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Talon Scorpio
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:36:00 -
[1776]
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
If CCP allowes this to happen for you then CCP is obligated to offer the same service for ALL eve pilots, character/alliance/corp name changes with just a petition for no apparent reason, if that happens then i have no problem with the status of KEN/BOBR then i ll vote the name change of yours in a bling
I think they are obligated too. For no apparant reason...there may be a reason. Whoever called me "mister". I am not.
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Himo Amasacia
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:38:00 -
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"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |
Virad Aivazovsky
Unlawful Aggression
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:39:00 -
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Akoudoulos
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:42:00 -
[1779]
Edited by: Akoudoulos on 24/03/2009 23:44:24
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Originally by: Talon Scorpio
If CCP allowes this to happen for you then CCP is obligated to offer the same service for ALL eve pilots, character/alliance/corp name changes with just a petition for no apparent reason, if that happens then i have no problem with the status of KEN/BOBR then i ll vote the name change of yours in a bling
I think they are obligated too. For no apparant reason...there may be a reason. Whoever called me "mister". I am not.
agreed, can you plz petition to change my name to start with a letter other than the first and last 10 of the alphabet plz? Because when i started eve i had now idea that just a letter will play such a huge role on how fast i am getting primary and blown up in a fleet battle(valid reason heh)
Edit: can i have your number? i am a mister
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Zaval
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:45:00 -
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Dear god CCP, do you not learn from your past mistakes? Again we see CCP is willing to bend their own rules for a favored alliance. The GM who did this is at best, allied to the corp formally known as BOB and willing to break their own rules. At worst, he is an idiot who did not consider the ramifications of such a contentious change and should not be doing the job he is doing.
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:45:00 -
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Seth Rock
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:52:00 -
[1782]
poor showing ccp, figured you would have learned from the first time around. _________________________________________
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Challis
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:53:00 -
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You What
eXceeded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:55:00 -
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Savantula
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:58:00 -
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Montmazar
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:58:00 -
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I like how the Bob guys, who clearly throughout this whole affair have held this game more dearly than most men hold their own families, keep telling those angry at their cheating to grow up, get over it, it's just a game, etc. There's an irony in there somewhere.
The people you Bob members keep saying "grow up" to are by and large not part of an OMG ELITE PVP CLAN, they probably haven't accrued years on this make believe world, and they sure weren't crying online two months ago because their life's work was destroyed. They're probably by and large like me, people who are not directly affected by this at all, but still find themselves annoyed that the game administrators are so clearly favoring a seemingly random group of Beardos by habitually changing the rules in their favor.
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Jalair Mukhali
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:58:00 -
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Enterthename Youdesire
JASDIP
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:58:00 -
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Savalente
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:59:00 -
[1789]
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BillMurray
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:59:00 -
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Yaay
Reikoku Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:59:00 -
[1791]
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Originally by: Yaay emo but good post
It is a big deal only because with the name change you kept the sov, you could have done it the proper way as the rest, create a new alliance
I agree with you that game mechanics happen to not work as intended and are getting fixed all the time, but thats game mechanins, alliance name change IS NOT a game mechanism, it is pure favorism and THAT is unacceptable by CCP or ANY other company that want to see their fixed rate paying customers the same
or they could roll back the sov and give us our alliance back... this is the far less of 2 evils... it's not like we didn't suffer initially. Talk about wanting to kick a guy while he's down.
mate have they ever rolled back the server?? not even with the POS exploit that happened, and that was a serious problem, i totally get where you are coming from, if you want to be named KOUKOUROUKOU Band of Brothers thats a valid request, the mechanics of the game allows you to Create any alliance name you want,
the function that got bob disolved WAS a a valid mechanism, right or wrong but it was there, what happened cannot be changed, although CCP must introduce a fix or something because it is really not how disbanding should happen,
But you must follow the rules because atm you didn't and that have impact on the rest, you kept sov 3!
I for example 2-3 weeks ago i petitioned, to change my alts corp history and delete a corp from the list, THAT couldn't hurt anybody, yet i got a negative answer stating that Characters names and history CANNOT be changed, iguess the GM was wrong after all. should i petition again? it was pure sentimental value for my alt to just have 1 corp in his history should i be treated differintly?
by your logic, titan bowling was legal and legit, yet your mates still want us banned for that one.
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Louanne Barros
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:00:00 -
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Seifer Al'Masy
Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:01:00 -
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HeIIboy
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:03:00 -
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Matt calvert
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:07:00 -
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+1
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Ancient Arigato
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:10:00 -
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Akoudoulos
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:10:00 -
[1797]
Edited by: Akoudoulos on 25/03/2009 00:13:24
Originally by: Yaay
by your logic, titan bowling was legal and legit, yet your mates still want us banned for that one.
As i was out of the game for some time, did this happen after CCP stated it is an exploit(if they did mark it as exploit of course)? if yes then you should get banned if not, then its game mechanics and the rule apply here as well, so depends on what really happened
I am an individual with my own opinion, my logic state the fair thing not what suits my wallet or what my mates say to flame/whine/pointtohaxbob
Edit: hell people still pray to God yet we are in the same alliance, that doesn't mean that i share their beliefes (spelling too bored to google, sorryyyy).
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Koneyak
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:12:00 -
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Mechelle
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:14:00 -
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Toxic Blo0d
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:15:00 -
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Tiger Fai
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:25:00 -
[1801]
-- TOO MANY ENERMY |
Glennda
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:26:00 -
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Mr Spot
I Blame Chum
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:28:00 -
[1803]
Originally by: SFShootme i've failed to see a single non goon&co+alts post.
Ex-GONAD posting in support of goons.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:33:00 -
[1804]
This topic might make a fairly amusing Eve Radio live debate with an invited panel of guests
PS not supported obviously since I believe the identity theft should have been reversed almost immediately and Band of Brothers invited to reform their alliance name and identity.
The compromise solution we have now might be pretty messy and not fully satisfy anyone but its far better than allowing the goons to whine their way to reversal of whats obviously been a lengthy GM discussion and response to the identity theft petition.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:35:00 -
[1805]
hahahaha. --
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Doctor West
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:36:00 -
[1806]
Stick to your own goddamned rules, and qualify why you didn't do it now _a lot_ better than that meek excuse you have offered until now.
What is this, fifth or sixth time? Hellbent on betraying the trust of your subscribers. Goddamn.
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Caassimolar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:38:00 -
[1807]
Originally by: Yaay Again, you're quoting rules of a game... not even a real sport, but a cyber online fun game. And even worse, nobody is affected by this one b/c nobody who want's a name change has a history to back up the logic for their change like BoB does. grow up you tool
You are the supid tool yaay. Hey if you can name call people like a child, then so can I. Grow up.
Now that we got that over with. The name Kenzoku was hated by most of their members, and it was a mistake Mollee made, and you have to live with the consequences of that terrible alliance name in your alliance history profiles. Mollee made a lot of mistakes. He allowed Haag to disband the alliance, he lost a Titan and destroyed morale, he decided to do nothing and stay docked in a NPC station, and finally he renames the alliance a fail name "reloaded", like Darwin Reloaded (mollee's titan), this new alliance will die pathetically as well.
Having the name Kenzoku was a demoralizing vicotry for your ennemies, and you should be changing it using valid game mechanics, because it's available to you as it is to everyone else. Yet you decided to do it by an outside the game intervention so that 1. you can keep your sov3 systems, and 2. so that you don't have kenzoku in your alliance history tab, because let's be honest, it's demeaning.
Your alliance is a joke, and will die as such, none of your ennemies will pay you any respect.
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Will Hunter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:39:00 -
[1808]
Originally by: Jade Constantine This topic might make a fairly amusing Eve Radio live debate with an invited panel of guests
PS not supported obviously since I believe the identity theft should have been reversed almost immediately and Band of Brothers invited to reform their alliance name and identity.
The compromise solution we have now might be pretty messy and not fully satisfy anyone but its far better than allowing the goons to whine their way to reversal of whats obviously been a lengthy GM discussion and response to the identity theft petition.
my ingame morals guys guys
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Shinichi Hakeda
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:41:00 -
[1809]
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Rolann
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:42:00 -
[1810]
Same rules for everyone
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Arturus Vex
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:43:00 -
[1811]
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AztecD
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:44:00 -
[1812]
I'd like Band of Brothers Reloaded to follow the same rules as everyone else.
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Slapnuts McGee
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:45:00 -
[1813]
Same rules for everyone
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:47:00 -
[1814]
Originally by: Rolann Same rules for everyone
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
In the past this has always led to gm's nuking the stolen name and allowing the original owners to recreate their identity.
Goons are the ones who appear to be operating on a different ruleset to everyone else here if anything.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Mochaporter
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:50:00 -
[1815]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rolann Same rules for everyone
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
In the past this has always led to gm's nuking the stolen name and allowing the original owners to recreate their identity.
Goons are the ones who appear to be operating on a different ruleset to everyone else here if anything.
Actually, Haargoth's identity is STILL HIS! IDIOT!
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xeno1008
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:52:00 -
[1816]
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Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:52:00 -
[1817]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rolann Same rules for everyone
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
In the past this has always led to gm's nuking the stolen name and allowing the original owners to recreate their identity.
Goons are the ones who appear to be operating on a different ruleset to everyone else here if anything.
your post is full of lies
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Polymer
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:53:00 -
[1818]
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The BlackPrince
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:56:00 -
[1819]
please dont tell us something like rules are meant to be broken.
i want answers!
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Whispershades
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:02:00 -
[1820]
Maybe they where the first to ask for the name change and this is a new service now...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:02:00 -
[1821]
Originally by: Mochaporter
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rolann Same rules for everyone
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
In the past this has always led to gm's nuking the stolen name and allowing the original owners to recreate their identity.
Goons are the ones who appear to be operating on a different ruleset to everyone else here if anything.
Actually, Haargoth's identity is STILL HIS! IDIOT!
I recommend reading before posting.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Feran Giall
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:03:00 -
[1822]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rolann Same gender for everyone
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright prostitution ring as the star fraction by having internet sex with other dudes right?
In the past this has always led to people getting made fun of and allowing the internet prostitutes to recreate their identity.
The Star Fraction are the ones who appear to be operating on a different gender to everyone else here if anything.
Seriously identity theft? Get out. The corporation didn't exist. It's not like Band of Brothers was disbanding to rename their alliance to Band of Brothers Reloaded.
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facialimpediment
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:03:00 -
[1823]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rolann Same rules for everyone
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
In the past this has always led to gm's nuking the stolen name and allowing the original owners to recreate their identity.
Goons are the ones who appear to be operating on a different ruleset to everyone else here if anything.
Lotka Volterra.
Never before in the history of this mmorpg? You're terrible at history fyi
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Joakim Saxon
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:04:00 -
[1824]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rolann Same rules for everyone
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
In the past this has always led to gm's nuking the stolen name and allowing the original owners to recreate their identity.
Goons are the ones who appear to be operating on a different ruleset to everyone else here if anything.
Funny, where do the EVE rules say that is illegal? A name was no longer in use, a player created a corporation using that name. How is this breaking the game rules? Forget concepts of "honor" and "morals", RULES, how did this break them?
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:10:00 -
[1825]
One of the main reasons the playerbase was demanding something like the CSM was because of scandles involving favoratism towards BOB.
Again, CCP has shown favoratism towards BOB. We want this to stop. --------------------------------------------
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SpiderWebMayhem
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:12:00 -
[1826]
Edited by: SpiderWebMayhem on 25/03/2009 01:11:58
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Rolann Same rules for everyone
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
In the past this has always led to gm's nuking the stolen name and allowing the original owners to recreate their identity.
Goons are the ones who appear to be operating on a different ruleset to everyone else here if anything.
You can't steal something that isn't taken. The name was available and someone registered it. No rules were broken here.
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Recon Three
181st Legion W A S T E L A N D
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:14:00 -
[1827]
Edited by: Recon Three on 25/03/2009 01:15:20 It's considered breaking the rules because it's BoB.
Edit: The only mental images I'm getting of this whole thing is a bunch of overweight pasty caucasian people running around in oldschool FBI/Mafia outfits (trenchcoat + hat) with faction / alliance logos printed on the backs. Actin' all shady inside GameStop near the EVE Boxes. _____
Guns > Missiles. |
onymous
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:16:00 -
[1828]
Same rules for everyone. |
atrabilious
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:17:00 -
[1829]
Everyone else who has asked for a name change ever has been told to f*ck off. This is bs. |
myrmecophilous
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:18:00 -
[1830]
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:21:00 -
[1831]
Originally by: Jade Constantine You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
I'm honestly confused here. Jade can you please explain in as much text as you possibly can how you can steal a name nobody is currently using? Again please make sure you use a giant wall of text because it seems to make you look important.
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Boknamar
Gallente The Knights Trevor
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:23:00 -
[1832]
Originally by: Jade Constantine PS not supported obviously since I believe the identity theft should have been reversed almost immediately and Band of Brothers invited to reform their alliance name and identity.
Ah, so instead of this rather minor abuse of their authority, you would prefer CCP have committed a much more significant abuse of their authority.
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SpiderWebMayhem
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:24:00 -
[1833]
Originally by: Xikulis
Originally by: Jade Constantine You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
I'm honestly confused here. Jade can you please explain in as much text as you possibly can how you can steal a name nobody is currently using? Again please make sure you use a giant wall of text because it seems to make you look important.
Bright colors and flashing images help too hth.
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Joakim Saxon
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:26:00 -
[1834]
Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Bright colors and flashing images help too hth.
Yeah, us goonies have a terrible attention span.
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Poopsock Alarmclock
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:27:00 -
[1835]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
the former EVE alliance Everlasting Vendetta went to play WoW, their guild was disbanded and the name grabbed by another group of players before they could reform, I know it's absolutely astonishing that something like this has happened elsewhere in the MMO universe
keep using scary words like "steal" and "theft" to suggest goons did anything but capitalize on BoB stupidity and used anything but working-as-intended in-game mechanics to disband BoB and get their name
keep failing to see the difference between using in-game methods to achieve alliance goals and getting a GM to flip a switch to make changes to an alliance that are impossible for players to make on their own
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Shaelin Corpius
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:27:00 -
[1836]
Disband them or allow the rest of us to do the same.
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:28:00 -
[1837]
Originally by: SpiderWebMayhem Bright colors and flashing images help too hth.
Even better maybe Jade could put it into the form of a song with some guitar, we could called it Jade Trolls Unplugged.
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Jessica Carnius
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:31:00 -
[1838]
I support this E-Drama
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Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:37:00 -
[1839]
Edited by: Captain Thunk on 25/03/2009 01:37:09
Originally by: Jade Constantine
You do realize that never before in the history of this mmorpg has anyone got away with such an outright identity theft as goonswarm stealing band of brothers by creatiing an alt corp to block alliance recreation right?
Actually you're wrong. It happened in Age of Conan. Two guilds who hated and despised each other had a long running conflict brought about from sharing a resource instance with each other. "Captain Morgan Society" eventually destroyed the enemy guild "The Fallen Guard" when the guild leader decided in a moment of drunken madness to rename the guild "rolving re tards" (no idea what 'rolving' means, I assume it was meant to be 'loving' or maybe 'revolving'). When this happened, one of the Captain Morgan Society guys dropped guild and immediately made a new guild stealing the guild name before they could change back. In the ensuing thread the action was actually compared to one you may find in Eve-Online and was deemed legal. It occured on one of the strict roleplaying servers where Guild name, identity and reputation is probably more important than on a plain PvE or PvP server.
In essence it's little different, as SirMolle removed the safety checks ingame himself (shares for votes). Thus was vulnerable to such an action by his own making.
You can read about it here although tbh it's a pretty boring thread.
Captain Thunk
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Kalie Erry
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:40:00 -
[1840]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I recommend reading before posting.
Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
Please take the time to do so - that way we don't have to read your terrible posts for awhile.
Oh yeah, and here's something to think about while you're reading: -KenZoku was formed several months before BoB was disbanded -Former BoB corps could have created an alliance with the revised name -GoonSwarm has had several director-level spies and hasn't been disbanded -BoB was only disbanded because their executor corp was structured for quick & easy access -Get out.
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:50:00 -
[1841]
GoonSwarm before "Agtard Gate" =
GoonSwarm after "Agtard Gate" =
GoonSwarm after "Molle Gate" =
Thank you,
Dr. Shot
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Jouras
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:51:00 -
[1842]
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McDaddy Pimp
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:59:00 -
[1843]
Edited by: McDaddy Pimp on 25/03/2009 01:58:55 So BOB had 2 choices after they were disbanded
A. Join Kenzoku, instant alliance and sov. B. Make new alliance , with a better name and pay one bil. (Don`t know about a sov mechanics concerning a newly created alliance, hope someone can explain)
They decided for A and they get their instant alliance. But now they decide want to do B instead, and GM allowed that.
Seems like cheating to me
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overcorpse
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Posted - 2009.03.25 01:59:00 -
[1844]
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Jarbis Leed
Pan-Corporate Productions DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:03:00 -
[1845]
---------- "You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." ~ Al Capone |
Ermey
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:07:00 -
[1846]
Same rules for everyone.
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Nosferatou
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:18:00 -
[1847]
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:23:00 -
[1848]
Originally by: Kalie Erry Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
I just see a standard goon+coalition threadnaught with no real substance demanding that ccp bend over for 5000 players in a dark corner of 0.0. Nothing new really.
Ultimately I think you need understand that a thread full of alts and mindless "+1s" doesn't really achieve anything.
This thread will go the way of the "make goons in charge of CAOD" thread and disappear in a couple of days in a puff of smoke and hyperbole and nobody will lament its absence.
Meanwhile the rest of the server gets on with playing the game.
I'd advise you to do the same.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:28:00 -
[1849]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kalie Erry Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
I just see a standard goon+coalition threadnaught with no real substance demanding that ccp bend over for 5000 players in a dark corner of 0.0. Nothing new really.
Ultimately I think you need understand that a thread full of alts and mindless "+1s" doesn't really achieve anything.
This thread will go the way of the "make goons in charge of CAOD" thread and disappear in a couple of days in a puff of smoke and hyperbole and nobody will lament its absence.
Meanwhile the rest of the server gets on with playing the game.
I'd advise you to do the same.
The most supported thread in the Assembly Hall should be dismissed in a puff of smoke.
You obviously have no faith in the CSM. Can you remember why it was created?
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Wu Liao
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:29:00 -
[1850]
There is no reason why the GMs should change Kenzoku's name simply because "it's not the right name".
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Mzr
Gallente Session9 Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:40:00 -
[1851]
Edited by: Mzr on 25/03/2009 02:43:43 My case: After a few months of playing S9 ticker became available (didn't had it at that time). Kindly asked 2 times the GMs to give it to my corp since no-one was using it. "No, can't do!" So I had to close the corp - move all assets to corp members, get out/kick all corp members, and finally leave the corp only to re-do it 10min later with the ticker we wanted.
Other examples:
Stian Empire was created. Someone noticed the typo, told CCP. CCP told them to disband the alliance (and getting no refund from the 1b isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1b isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name correctly.
black 0ut was created. Someone realized how dumb this was, and so they asked CCP to change it to Black Out. CCP told them no, and that they'd have to disband the alliance (and get no refund from the 1b isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1b isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name the way they wanted to.
Against All Authorities had a slight mishap where someone didn't pay the maintenance build. They lost all their sovereignty, had to recreate the alliance, and had to once again front the 1b isk fee. CCP did not reimburse any of that.
BoBR's case: The EULA cleary doesn't give you ANY rights to have your alliance name changed. As for bad game mecanics when BoB was first dismantled, it was no-ones fault (in-game), the same faulty game mecanics apply to EVERYONE in-game (other alliances can suffer the same fate sooner or later - until CCP changes something).
The name itself has little importance (you can have yer old name back for all I care). But bending the EULA rules, still going strong for sov3 in some systems and not paying the 1bn bill - these FACTS clearly put CCP in a delicate position AGAIN because it clearly shows BoBR plays this game by one set of rules and us the rest by another set.
First among equals.
And lets make one thing clear, this is not BoBR's fault. This is a CCP failure, because they still want to interfere in Eve politics. Why is this happening.. idk, the only logical conclusion is that some people with A LOT of decisional power in CCP still have strong ties with BoBR. After the T20 problems, I sincerely doubt even lead GMs do something big like this without asking permision from the head-honchos.
Eve is not CCP's love-child anymore, it's a cash cow. And it shows. Milk it while you can. However some people will never understand that money, even BIG money can be made in a number of ways. It doesn't have to be like this.
If CSM has any voice whatsoever this issues will be on their agenda. And yes Internal Affairs should be notified about this, they should get mails from as many peeps as possible. Be decent, civil, but have a voice. Mail them!
Btw, BoBR I hope you understand why a lot of Eve hates you now. It's not yer so-called elitism. It's the cheating you need to resort to in order to win something, it's the lenghts you go to bend the rules.
As for sending us out for a walk in RL so we don't moan about internet spaceshipz business.. How about you follow yer own advice, and when you come back at the keyboard you try to play the game fair-play (and have some phun while you're at it).
The irony is that it's not gonna matter in the end. Enough entities in-game have the means now to take you down completely and keep you down. You're not the elitist alliance you once were. You're just average now (as A LOT of other peeps got into A LOT of caps now).
Fame lasts 15min, infamy lasts a bit longer.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:44:00 -
[1852]
Originally by: Lady Karma The most supported thread in the Assembly Hall should be dismissed in a puff of smoke.
You obviously have no faith in the CSM. Can you remember why it was created?
I have no faith in Goons Thats an entirely different matter. CSM was created (amongst other things) to provide oversight on correct goings on inside CCP in their relations to the community. In this case a GM has provided a response to the community and a decision has been made.
This thread represents a standard goon threadnaught trying to bully out advantage in Eve by threatening to damage CCP's PR on the internets.
Nobody should cave in to bullying.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Wu Liao
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:48:00 -
[1853]
Originally by: Mzr Edited by: Mzr on 25/03/2009 02:43:43 A good synopsis of the issue at hand
Excellently put, at the very least CCP needs to go into more detail about how Kenzoku is different from any of the cases mentioned.
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Saggy Glands
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:50:00 -
[1854]
Originally by: Xikulis
I'm honestly confused here. Jade can you please explain in as much text as you possibly can how you can steal a name nobody is currently using? Again please make sure you use a giant wall of text because it seems to make you look important.
Lol, as if the intention of the 'HURRY UP AND CREATE A CORP' wasn't to steal BOB's identity solely to rub salt into some virtual pixel wound. One only needs to look at the silly toon names that post from said corp to see through that charade. This whine fest has nothing to do with CCP this or GM that. It's everything to do with the fact that BOB now has some of their identity restored.
I agree 100% with Jade Contantine and others that the original corp name theft should not have been allowed to stand. Rename the childish goon corp to BOBR and BOBR to BOB. At that point all will be well in the world of Eve.
Still It's hilarious to see the goons and their northern nut cuppers stamp their feet like little children and spam the forums. They someone think that making a billion threads and filling them with a billion posts from goons, goon alts and goon nut cuppers it's the same as having a thought worth listening to.
Last year it was spamming the forums trying to get Jade Contantine removed as CSM president and your own ******* put in. Last week it was 'wahhh isd didn't report us sitting outside a station for a month picking our noses.' Now it's "wahhhh, bob has their identity back no fair we stole their name proper like." It'll be something different next week. The whineswarm will always continue.
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:52:00 -
[1855]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I have no faith in Goons Thats an entirely different matter.
You make that quite clear in your many rambling posts. Maybe you should have a glance at some of the pages in this thread. Do you really think all those posts for support are by Goons?
You have made your point several times that you don't like Goons, we understand, maybe you are envious of their success, I don't know. Please stop trolling this thread like it was CAOD.
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Gus Jones
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:56:00 -
[1856]
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Lothar Krellum
Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:57:00 -
[1857]
Originally by: SFShootme /cutwrists?
(ingame offc)
Another BOBR shows the mentality of a 5 year old. Stop posting SFSFailme. You are only making yourself look an idiot.
In Memory of Ayrton Senna Da Silva, 29th March 1960 - 1st May 1994 "Simply the best" |
Spectre Seti
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.25 02:59:00 -
[1858]
Originally by: Saggy Glands The whineswarm will always continue.
Sad truth !!!
Btw I do not support this.
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Kinet
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:07:00 -
[1859]
My 2 cents...
.01 - Bob chose to rename to Ken for a reason, it gave them control over some portions of space or something. It didnt work out and eventually GOONs took even that away from them. If BOB had created a new name and got no benefit from it then I would agree the new name change is irrelevent but thats not the case, BOB benefited from using the Ken name so they should be stuck with it.
.01 - It didnt take CCP two months to figure out that BOB was disbanded using legal game mechanics and that GOONs took the BOB name. If this was an abuse of the game mechanics then it should have been dealt with in the first two weeks. It ticks me off that CCP waited for the Ken thing to go bad (ie. get their butts handed to them by GS) and THEN decided to let them change their name.
Disclaimer - The opinions expressed here reflect my own personal opinion and NOT the views of my corp or the CVA alliance.
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Ukiah
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:11:00 -
[1860]
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:21:00 -
[1861]
Originally by: Lady Karma Do you really think all those posts for support are by Goons?
Well, I think the massive majority are from goons, goon alts, goon allies and good fanbois - a smaller proportion might be from younger players carried along with the hue and cry and mistakenly believing some of the complete nonsense that is being posted by the goons.
Ultimately this is partizan political thread and the goon coalition has been instructed to follow the party line by its leadership.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
Maraleith
Gallente Zephan Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:21:00 -
[1862]
I really don't know what to make of this.
One one hand, a disgraced, cheating Alliance seems to yet again have been rewarded by GM's in what appears to be a clearly inappropriate use of GM discretion.
On the other, I am so sick of the pathetic, puerile destruction of COAD and the in-game spamming of Goonswarm.
I am amazed to find myself ambivalent; I really don't care. The more I think about it, the more I think that it is no big deal whether it is Kenzoku or BoB Reloaded.
As for goonies whining, I find myself thinking that perhaps if they showed more respect to others I would care that there was a bias against them by the GM's.
I suppose I will get spammmed with abusive eve-mails and 1 line abusive comments but as far as I am concerned is the only difference between Goonswarm and BoB is that BoB got caught cheating red handed.
Apart from that; there is not much between them at all.
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:26:00 -
[1863]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kalie Erry Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
I just see a standard goon+coalition threadnaught with no real substance demanding that ccp bend over for 5000 players in a dark corner of 0.0. Nothing new really.
Ultimately I think you need understand that a thread full of alts and mindless "+1s" doesn't really achieve anything.
This thread will go the way of the "make goons in charge of CAOD" thread and disappear in a couple of days in a puff of smoke and hyperbole and nobody will lament its absence.
Meanwhile the rest of the server gets on with playing the game.
I'd advise you to do the same.
right instead lets have them bendover for 3000 in public.
Besides jade thoes 5000+ players don't matter right? they are all goons, every single one of them in this whole thread are goons and goon alts. Whats a a few thousand +1s here and there... OH thats right the whole point of the CSM.
I really instensely dislike people like you. at least with goons you know where you stand, they wear their identity on their sleeve. you, you will support principles one day, anything goes the next, and have a public identity crisis on the third. you have no principles and frankly it gets annoying trying to have a forum debate with you. I don't know what to say because i know you aren't reading or listening, your just posting and reading your own posts.
are you saying there is no history of GM misconduct, and are you saying that nothing here is wrong at all? really? come on Jade, please throw us all a bone and take a stand one way or the other (goonswarm aside). is it right or is it wrong.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:39:00 -
[1864]
Originally by: Maraleith I really don't know what to make of this.
One one hand, a disgraced, cheating Alliance seems to yet again have been rewarded by GM's in what appears to be a clearly inappropriate use of GM discretion.
On the other, I am so sick of the pathetic, puerile destruction of COAD and the in-game spamming of Goonswarm.
I am amazed to find myself ambivalent; I really don't care. The more I think about it, the more I think that it is no big deal whether it is Kenzoku or BoB Reloaded.
As for goonies whining, I find myself thinking that perhaps if they showed more respect to others I would care that there was a bias against them by the GM's.
I suppose I will get spammmed with abusive eve-mails and 1 line abusive comments but as far as I am concerned is the only difference between Goonswarm and BoB is that BoB got caught cheating red handed.
Apart from that; there is not much between them at all.
Don't worry - Goons have been caught red-handed a fair bit in the past too. Its pretty standard for big-alliance corruption
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Ishbuanium
Black Skull Legion No Apology
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:45:00 -
[1865]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kalie Erry Speaking of reading before posting Jade, are you going to read every post of unprecedented support for this idea?
I just see a standard goon+coalition threadnaught with no real substance demanding that ccp bend over for 5000 players in a dark corner of 0.0. Nothing new really.
Ultimately I think you need understand that a thread full of alts and mindless "+1s" doesn't really achieve anything.
This thread will go the way of the "make goons in charge of CAOD" thread and disappear in a couple of days in a puff of smoke and hyperbole and nobody will lament its absence.
Meanwhile the rest of the server gets on with playing the game.
I'd advise you to do the same.
I see you are still out of touch with those you want to feel as if you represent.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:47:00 -
[1866]
Originally by: Tobruk are you saying there is no history of GM misconduct
There was a history of developer misconduct. It has been dealt with. Nowadays the "dev misconduct" thing is just a rallying call for goons to attempt to blugeon their way to victory in a political game that seeks to achieve results with whining and threadnaughts rather than playing the game.
Quote: and are you saying that nothing here is wrong at all? really?
Whats wrong here is that goons were allowed to keep the band of brothers alt corp without having it renamed "evecorp4234023049" in response to the bob leadership petition against identity theft.
Why this happened is even more troubling because I very much suspect it was delayed and delayed through fear of negative press before the retail release of the latest expansion. If this is indeed the case then it suggests the goon alliance has successfully bullied ccp into allowing full on identity theft to the detriment of an entire community of eve players and this is a very bad precedent.
Quote: come on Jade, please throw us all a bone and take a stand one way or the other (goonswarm aside). is it right or is it wrong.
I can't believe you couldn't read all that from my earlier posts to be quite honest.
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Raven Death
Caldari DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:51:00 -
[1867]
Originally by: Kinet My 2 cents...
.01 - Bob chose to rename to Ken for a reason, it gave them control over some portions of space or something. It didnt work out and eventually GOONs took even that away from them. If BOB had created a new name and got no benefit from it then I would agree the new name change is irrelevent but thats not the case, BOB benefited from using the Ken name so they should be stuck with it.
.01 - It didnt take CCP two months to figure out that BOB was disbanded using legal game mechanics and that GOONs took the BOB name. If this was an abuse of the game mechanics then it should have been dealt with in the first two weeks. It ticks me off that CCP waited for the Ken thing to go bad (ie. get their butts handed to them by GS) and THEN decided to let them change their name.
Disclaimer - The opinions expressed here reflect my own personal opinion and NOT the views of my corp or the CVA alliance.
Dont forget friends of Goon helped too.
And if anyone cares to look. i believe it was on page 37 that 2 members of the BOBR alliance posted support for this thread. Joke or not. It still counts
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Ishbuanium
Black Skull Legion No Apology
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:52:00 -
[1868]
Edited by: Ishbuanium on 25/03/2009 03:53:10
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Quote: and are you saying that nothing here is wrong at all? really?
Whats wrong here is that goons were allowed to keep the band of brothers alt corp without having it renamed "evecorp4234023049" in response to the bob leadership petition against identity theft.
Why this happened is even more troubling because I very much suspect it was delayed and delayed through fear of negative press before the retail release of the latest expansion. If this is indeed the case then it suggests the goon alliance has successfully bullied ccp into allowing full on identity theft to the detriment of an entire community of eve players and this is a very bad precedent.
No, because CCP has already set up enough bad precedents (POS Bowling, Alliance Renaming, Banning the guy who finds out about the cheating Dev....)
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:53:00 -
[1869]
Jade I am still waiting for your explanation on how you can steal a name nobody is using. However rather then explaining this please feel free to continue crying foul and crying identity theft. That works just as well I suppose.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:57:00 -
[1870]
Originally by: Xikulis Jade I am still waiting for your explanation on how you can steal a name nobody is using.
Well tee-shirts, mugs, killboard graphics, logos, hell ... custom keyrings and engraved nipple-clamps - who knows? Point as you very well know is that when 3000 players build a community around an ingame identity that identity belongs to them in some greater sense than a mere collection of letters.
But we both know your question was a troll since your own alliance leader has admitted "rushing" to register the alt corp identity purely to block the rightful owners of the name recreating their alliance name after the director-level emocide.
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:02:00 -
[1871]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Well tee-shirts, mugs, killboard graphics, logos, hell ... custom keyrings and engraved nipple-clamps - who knows? Point as you very well know is that when 3000 players build a community around an ingame identity that identity belongs to them in some greater sense than a mere collection of letters.
But we both know your question was a troll since your own alliance leader has admitted "rushing" to register the alt corp identity purely to block the rightful owners of the name recreating their alliance name after the director-level emocide.
Ah thank you that makes sense. Since they somehow "own" the rights to this name even though they are no longer using it nobody else can. So what CCP should do is modify the rules of the game to disallow anyone from using any previously used Corp or Alliance name/ticker. See when you put it that way it makes perfect sense. Thank you again.
Follow up question, since you were on CSM. Do you think when they add the ability to walk around in stations they should also add brothels?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:07:00 -
[1872]
Originally by: Xikulis
Follow up question, since you were on CSM. Do you think when they add the ability to walk around in stations they should also add brothels?
Yes. And opium dens, illicit bare-knuckle fist-fighting rings, black market genetic emporiums, slums and every kind of seedy local you can think of.
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Xikulis
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:09:00 -
[1873]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Xikulis
Follow up question, since you were on CSM. Do you think when they add the ability to walk around in stations they should also add brothels?
Yes. And opium dens, illicit bare-knuckle fist-fighting rings, black market genetic emporiums, slums and every kind of seedy local you can think of.
Actually the "bare-knuckle fist-fighting rings" would probably make for a pretty interesting side game. If that was the case I'm not sure if I would rather see The Mittani vs Dianabolic or Jade Constantine vs Darius JOHNSON.
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Miss Artica
Gallente Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:12:00 -
[1874]
Stop crying goons...
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Wu Jiaqiu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:28:00 -
[1875]
Originally by: Miss Artica Stop crying goons...
You haven't read this thread have you? It's not a simple name change, its about the rules and the favoritism they showed to Kenzoku. The only time a name can be changed is if its offensive in some way. Kenzoku clearly isn't. It isn't a Japanese swear word or anything so too bad.
That being said, if one alliance gets to have their name changed due to petition of members within their own alliance; everybodys name can be changed then.
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Mr Spot
I Blame Chum
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:32:00 -
[1876]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Lady Karma Do you really think all those posts for support are by Goons?
Well, I think the massive majority are from goons, goon alts, goon allies and good fanbois - a smaller proportion might be from younger players carried along with the hue and cry and mistakenly believing some of the complete nonsense that is being posted by the goons.
So, everybody who disagrees with you is a goon or a noob and therefore their opinion doesn't count. How convenient.
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Ifni Zen
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:36:00 -
[1877]
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Morag Tong
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:39:00 -
[1878]
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CyberChick
SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:45:00 -
[1879]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Xikulis Jade I am still waiting for your explanation on how you can steal a name nobody is using.
Well tee-shirts, mugs, killboard graphics, logos, hell ... custom keyrings and engraved nipple-clamps - who knows? Point as you very well know is that when 3000 players build a community around an ingame identity that identity belongs to them in some greater sense than a mere collection of letters.
But we both know your question was a troll since your own alliance leader has admitted "rushing" to register the alt corp identity purely to block the rightful owners of the name recreating their alliance name after the director-level emocide.
Technically no, doesn't matter what their community built up, you could use the argument that the USA Television Channel HBO and Time Warner has more rights to the Band of Brothers due to their 2001 TV Drama Series based on the life and actions of 101st Airborne, Easy Company in World War 2 than a group of 3000 internet spaceship game players, who have no real world legal claim to the name.
At the time after the Bob alliance was disbanded through legitimate in game mechanics the was no alliance, corporation or any other entity called Band of Brothers, no one individual or group had any preferential right to the name regardless of how many key rings or tee-shirts they had. Goons got their first, and bob wasn't fast enough to do anything about it!
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ruckizucki
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:48:00 -
[1880]
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Yon Krum
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:48:00 -
[1881]
Approved.
If CCP wants to start enabling name-changes, then let them notify the player base in an orderly manner and post their policy for such. Other games charge real money as well for such a privilage (like portrait changes).
Regardless, unilateral action favoring a single faction or alliance (again, BoB) is intolerable, and exactly why the CSM exists. You'd think someone would have learned their lesson after t20, but whatever... back to the woodshed we take them!
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:50:00 -
[1882]
No compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon.
I see it is busy spewing nonsense like it's going out of style here, too. Has it found a cross to nail itself to yet?
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 04:50:00 -
[1883]
Edited by: Baun on 25/03/2009 04:57:17 One would have hoped that CCP would have learned its lesson about giving an alliance preferential treatment. Out of a desire not to play a game run by people out of touch with reality, one also would have hoped that after years of rampant corruption from ISD, an exposed cheating Dev and numerous documented Devs involved in BoB that CCP would have noticed that it wasn't ok to blatantly play favorite with the same group of people AGAIN.
Rename BOBR to RKZ and let them disband pay 1bil and reset all of their sov counters if they want to get the name that they were inexplicably given without having to following in game mechanics . . . just like everyone else.
I am actually having a hard time believing that this wasn't a unilateral action but some junior GM who didn't understand the ****storm he was walking into - can't conceive that there would be obvious preferential treatment like this AND that they would actually break game mechanics by allowing them to go over the character limit.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Ceru Nara
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:03:00 -
[1884]
Supported, but disband goonswarm too once the drama dies down and the forums get boring again.
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Shopmuleomg
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:05:00 -
[1885]
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Hexman
Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:15:00 -
[1886]
shameful
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Dr'Lonnie Smith
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:58:00 -
[1887]
Something so insignificant, get a grips of yourself's people, in the "context" of what has happened and the due process that went about to the renaming personally I see nothing wrong with it.
It appears that a lot of people are just caught up with the "E-HATE" and lack any common sense.
My 2c, but don't let me stop your winning.
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General Placeholder
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:14:00 -
[1888]
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Frank McTeague
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:15:00 -
[1889]
Originally by: Dr'Lonnie Smith Something so insignificant, get a grips of yourself's people, in the "context" of what has happened and the due process that went about to the renaming personally I see nothing wrong with it.
It appears that a lot of people are just caught up with the "E-HATE" and lack any common sense.
My 2c, but don't let me stop your winning.
sup, welcome to eve, I guess you haven't been playing for very long, and don't quite rememnber T20, Aura, Delve buffs, and all of the other crap BoBr has gotten handed to them from corrupt devs and GMs over the years
change the name back, disband bobr, or drop their sov. this **** has gone on for too long now.
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Lokhmar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:16:00 -
[1890]
+1
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Dr'Lonnie Smith
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:23:00 -
[1891]
Originally by: Frank McTeague
Originally by: Dr'Lonnie Smith Something so insignificant, get a grips of yourself's people, in the "context" of what has happened and the due process that went about to the renaming personally I see nothing wrong with it.
It appears that a lot of people are just caught up with the "E-HATE" and lack any common sense.
My 2c, but don't let me stop your winning.
sup, welcome to eve, I guess you haven't been playing for very long, and don't quite rememnber T20, Aura, Delve buffs, and all of the other crap BoBr has gotten handed to them from corrupt devs and GMs over the years
change the name back, disband bobr, or drop their sov. this **** has gone on for too long now.
read my post again and up your meds
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Sett AtOn
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:33:00 -
[1892]
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lordjoel
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:49:00 -
[1893]
Ether let all of us change alliance names at will, or disband them! You must maintain equality.
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Morvyn
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.03.25 06:56:00 -
[1894]
/signed
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Koekrijt
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:00:00 -
[1895]
/signed
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Star Dancer
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:19:00 -
[1896]
No more please CCP.
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Hayleine
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:23:00 -
[1897]
"Reloaded" apparently refers to the minutes on the phone card that BOB the Beaver uses to call the "special customer service line".
see- CCP listens and responds to the will of the players just like they say they will. okay, well not ALL the players. um, yeah...
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Om'en
Vitoc Junkies
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:31:00 -
[1898]
Im sorry but i dont veiw EVE as a sand box type of game anymore after this! and since im only interested in playing a sand box -6 accounts from me. I vote withh my bank account sorry :) im an old pre CU SWG player and i cant help it.
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok True Reign
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:32:00 -
[1899]
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Nairb Ecrep
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:35:00 -
[1900]
Originally by: Mzr Edited by: Mzr on 25/03/2009 03:04:26 My case: After a few months of playing S9 ticker became available (didn't had it at that time). Kindly asked 2 times the GMs to give it to my corp since no-one was using it. "No, can't do!" So I had to close the corp - move all assets to corp members, get out/kick all corp members, and finally leave the corp only to re-do it 10min later with the ticker we wanted.
Other examples:
Stian Empire was created. Someone noticed the typo, told CCP. CCP told them to disband the alliance (and getting no refund from the 1bn isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1bn isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name correctly.
black 0ut was created. Someone realized how dumb this was, and so they asked CCP to change it to Black Out. CCP told them no, and that they'd have to disband the alliance (and get no refund from the 1bn isk needed to create it), recreate the alliance (and once again pay 1bn isk to create it) and make sure to spell the name the way they wanted to.
Against All Authorities had a slight mishap where someone didn't pay the maintenance build. They lost all their sovereignty, had to recreate the alliance, and had to once again front the 1bn isk fee. CCP did not reimburse any of that.
BoBR's case: The EULA clearly doesn't give you ANY rights to have your alliance name changed. As for bad game mecanics when BoB was first dismantled, it was no-ones fault (in-game), the same faulty game mecanics apply to EVERYONE in-game (other alliances can suffer the same fate sooner or later - until CCP changes something). You went down thru legitimate in-game mecanis - have the spine to recognize it.
The name itself has little importance (you can have yer old name back for all I care). But bending the EULA rules, still going strong for sov3 in some systems and not paying the 1bn bill - these FACTS clearly put CCP in a delicate position AGAIN because it clearly shows BoBR plays this game by one set of rules and us the rest by another set.
First among equals.
And lets make one thing clear, this is not BoBR's fault. This is a CCP failure, because they still want to interfere in Eve politics. Why is this happening.. idk, the only logical conclusion is that some people with A LOT of decisional power in CCP still have strong ties with BoBR. After the T20 problems, I sincerely doubt even lead GMs do something big like this without asking permision from the head-honchos.
Eve is not CCP's love-child anymore, it's a cash cow. And it shows. Milk it while you can. However some people will never understand that money, even BIG money can be made in a number of ways. It doesn't have to be like this.
If CSM has any voice whatsoever this issues will be on their agenda. And yes Internal Affairs should be notified about this, they should get mails from as many peeps as possible. Be decent, civil, but have a voice. Mail them!
Btw, BoBR I hope you understand why a lot of Eve hates you now. It's not yer so-called elitism. It's the cheating you need to resort to in order to win something, it's the lenghts you go to bend the rules.
As for sending us out for a walk in RL so we don't moan about internet spaceshipz business.. How about you follow yer own advice, and when you come back at the keyboard you try to play the game fair-play (and have some phun while you're at it).
The irony is that it's not gonna matter in the end. Enough entities in-game have the means now to take you down completely and keep you down. You're not the elitist alliance you once were. You're just average now (as A LOT of other peeps got into A LOT of caps now).
Fame lasts 15min, infamy lasts a bit longer.
Of all the threads I've read about this topic, I think this one is by far the best.
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Piccalo
SUNDERING Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:35:00 -
[1901]
This is utter bull ****, another example of blatant misconduct by CCP employe's
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Miss Durchfall
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:37:00 -
[1902]
/signed
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MonkeyFit
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:41:00 -
[1903]
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Knungi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:53:00 -
[1904]
/signed
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Balrokenx
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 07:58:00 -
[1905]
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Mac Met
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:10:00 -
[1906]
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POSITRON
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:13:00 -
[1907]
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Soularize
Yggdrasil Council
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:14:00 -
[1908]
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integrity
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:15:00 -
[1909]
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destinationZERO
Minmatar Pain Management Services
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:15:00 -
[1910]
moar alts, moarrrrrrrrrr
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James Snukah
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:22:00 -
[1911]
/ signed
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Fat CC
Mambo Negro
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:22:00 -
[1912]
Edited by: Fat CC on 25/03/2009 08:22:33 Im not against BoB somewhat getting their name back, but if previous alliances has been denied a namechange in the same matter, it clearly shows favouritism. Not a big deal, but still favouritism, and that shouldnt exist in a mmo.
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Korvin Eeex
Kumovi Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:33:00 -
[1913]
Shame on you CCP. ==================================================
Lag does not exist ... It is all just a matter of perception. |
O HX
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:33:00 -
[1914]
same rules for everyone
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Boogaloo ShortBusDriver
Boogaloo Transportation Company
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:34:00 -
[1915]
CCP appears to be making up the rules here as they go along. If this is more collusion between CCP and the former members of Band of Brothers, what are we the fee paying players to take from this towards CCP as a company?
- Poor ethics - Unprofessional - Dishonest - Lacks integrity
If that is the case certainly I would have to take a review of paying for multiple accounts and continuing to play the game on an uneven & biased playing field. CCP dropped the ball with T20 lets not go back there to those dark days.
This is a job for the CSM to investigate and report back to us the fee paying member base.
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Toranaga
Gallente Eclipse Industrials SATRAPY
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:34:00 -
[1916]
Naughty naughty very naughty
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Tarh Assiliof
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:37:00 -
[1917]
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Exterminator 3
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:38:00 -
[1918]
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Narkotik
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:39:00 -
[1919]
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Xolve
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:44:00 -
[1920]
A sad day. CCP you suck!
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Aranthil
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:48:00 -
[1921]
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Rozoq
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:49:00 -
[1922]
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Fondas
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:50:00 -
[1923]
CCP, I'm really disappointed in you
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Natascha Ritova
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:55:00 -
[1924]
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wallo
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:56:00 -
[1925]
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knowonecanknow
Caldari Kriegsmarine Fuzzy Logec
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:57:00 -
[1926]
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Slim Mat
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:02:00 -
[1927]
Poor show, really poor.
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Little Zandra
Minmatar SUNDERING Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:03:00 -
[1928]
Not happy Jan
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Jessica Dean
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:15:00 -
[1929]
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
Originally by: Yaay I'm confused, what happened again? A GM did something to favor bob... really, a GM? So this GM did something epicly horrible? And we're sure it's a GM? So and like it was something game changing and unallowable? What could this supposedly GM have done? CHANGE A NAME? Dear god, black is white, up is down, bob are goons.
It's a ****ing game. Something unintended did happen...
The Mittanni clearly INTENDED to disband your alliance.
Also this isn't about a simple name change, its about the rules.
Again, you're quoting rules of a game... not even a real sport, but a cyber online fun game. And even worse, nobody is affected by this one b/c nobody who want's a name change has a history to back up the logic for their change like BoB does.
grow up you tool
Why should we be forced into complying with the rules if you feel that BoB should be entitled to a neverending series of exceptions from the rules?
Why do YOU, out of all people, be allowed to do whatever the hell you want?
It does affect everybody because whenever something remotely bad happens and someone gives you a tough beating you just emorage to your CSR mates and it gets fixed. We do not approve of a precedent, we do not want you to receive favors of ANY kind, and for that matter no one, but especially YOU.
If you ask me you should be playing the game from a handicapped position just to make up for all the cheating you've done in the past.
Your arrogance, the constant disobedience and lack of respect for the rules to which we all abide (regardless if indeed they are internet spaceship rules), depict your antisocial mentality.
I, and many others, feel like it is time for you to be wiped from EVE, deadline yesterday.
P.S. Start playing Freelancer or something (multiplayer isn't for you cavemen).
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Mojo'tom
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:15:00 -
[1930]
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Zamhpia
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:15:00 -
[1931]
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Zanxos
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:16:00 -
[1932]
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Epistimon
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:17:00 -
[1933]
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Razoq
Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:19:00 -
[1934]
Wow took about a month or so off to record and came back to a complete train wreck.. frikkin cool!! Nice job CCP and i thought i was self destructive.
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Flayerson
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:24:00 -
[1935]
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:37:00 -
[1936]
Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 25/03/2009 09:47:17 /signed
-GV
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irion felpamy
Minmatar HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:47:00 -
[1937]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Lady Karma Do you really think all those posts for support are by Goons?
Well, I think the massive majority are from goons, goon alts, goon allies and good fanbois - a smaller proportion might be from younger players carried along with the hue and cry and mistakenly believing some of the complete nonsense that is being posted by the goons.
Ultimately this is partizan political thread and the goon coalition has been instructed to follow the party line by its leadership.
I don't think I can be called a younger player and I stay the hell away from the 0.0 sov game and I see a problem. This looks like a vanity name change granted out of pity or out of personal bias. I came back from last years fanfest beliving that CCP really were impartial and I felt betrayed but their spiel when this hit, I hope that the the CSM/CCP don't write off every complaint of this nature as "its only goonies it doesn't count".
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tib0
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:48:00 -
[1938]
so many whining goons & NC pets made my day...hahaha LOL
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white kight
Galaxy Punks Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:50:00 -
[1939]
Not supported. Its a name. Get over it.
Originally by: CCP Greyscale :facepalm:
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destinationZERO
Minmatar Pain Management Services
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:51:00 -
[1940]
just a quick note.
if you support the issue, check the little checkbox that says :
"Check here if you want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on"
might make you look less like an idiot.
and
~~~~~~~keep posting~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Marlona Sky
Astroglide X The Foray Project
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:51:00 -
[1941]
Oh mai gawd.... Does it really freakin matter?!
Not supported, I mean does the name really matter? Stop your crying and start actually pew pewing you whiny goons.
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:53:00 -
[1942]
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Akoudoulos
Originally by: Yaay emo but good post
It is a big deal only because with the name change you kept the sov, you could have done it the proper way as the rest, create a new alliance
I agree with you that game mechanics happen to not work as intended and are getting fixed all the time, but thats game mechanins, alliance name change IS NOT a game mechanism, it is pure favorism and THAT is unacceptable by CCP or ANY other company that want to see their fixed rate paying customers the same
or they could roll back the sov and give us our alliance back... this is the far less of 2 evils... it's not like we didn't suffer initially. Talk about wanting to kick a guy while he's down.
Neither of those two options should be an option. They are not an option to the rest of the EVE world and should not be an option to you. The problem people have, obviously, is that CCP shows favoritism to Band of Brothers. This is yet one more case of this sort of favoritism rearing its ugly head.
You were owned, fair and sqaure. I see you went QQ to CCP to get some sort of dignity back, but in the end... you just look pathetic.
-GV
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Porridge Pants
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:53:00 -
[1943]
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Extingo
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.25 09:57:00 -
[1944]
If you don't lose your head when everyone else is in panic, you are probably the reason. |
USS Uessess
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:13:00 -
[1945]
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Adriano Galliani
Milan Club EVE Online
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:14:00 -
[1946]
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Hilaryous Clinton
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:15:00 -
[1947]
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JanSVK
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:16:00 -
[1948]
No expetions for single entities.
Originally by: Marlona Sky Oh mai gawd.... Does it really freakin matter?!
Not supported, I mean does the name really matter? Stop your crying and start actually pew pewing you whiny goons.
If this option is available to everyone then there is no problem. But it is not. Main point is. One exception leads to another exception and so on and in the end you got ppl exploiting the system and ruining the game.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:21:00 -
[1949]
What exactly is the issue?
Would you ***** and moan if Mr. Smith down the street changes his name to Mr. Johnson as well?
BoB was crippled by borderline abuse/exploit of game mechanics or lack thereof and they went through proper channels when they realised that the old name had been "reserved" by another party.
This whole propaganda campaign smells like a mass-psychotic break due to personal issues with the name "Band of Brothers", nothing good ever came from mass-hysteria.
A name was changed, no other action was taken. If you feel mistreated or that an unfair advantage was gained by it, put in a petition with Internal Affairs.
Internet spaceships are serious, I get that, but we are talking letters here for Goddess' sake .. their spaceships still blow up and they will probably still partake in the local-smack we all know and love in null-sec.
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Afaflix
Dark Star Salvage
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:23:00 -
[1950]
supported DisBand of Cheaters --
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indianheart
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:27:00 -
[1951]
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jhn r3av3r
Lone Star Joint Venture
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:31:00 -
[1952]
It's a role playing game, names matter.
If kenzoku can just change their name without losing anything, then I should be granted this option too.
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irion felpamy
Minmatar HellJumpers Corp United For 0rder
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:32:00 -
[1953]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida What exactly is the issue?
Would you ***** and moan if Mr. Smith down the street changes his name to Mr. Johnson as well?
BoB was crippled by borderline abuse/exploit of game mechanics or lack thereof and they went through proper channels when they realised that the old name had been "reserved" by another party.
This whole propaganda campaign smells like a mass-psychotic break due to personal issues with the name "Band of Brothers", nothing good ever came from mass-hysteria.
A name was changed, no other action was taken. If you feel mistreated or that an unfair advantage was gained by it, put in a petition with Internal Affairs.
Internet spaceships are serious, I get that, but we are talking letters here for Goddess' sake .. their spaceships still blow up and they will probably still partake in the local-smack we all know and love in null-sec.
I'd be annoyed if MR Johnson got his name change and MR Jones was told no and MR Robberts was told yes but you will need to reaply for a new passport, driving licence and remorgage your house as your current agrement will be invalid (lol sov).
safeguards were deliberatly removed from the BOB executor corp, a risk was taken it did not pay off.
Sent a mail to IA they sent it to the GM team, now if that isn't a waste of space department I don't know what is.
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Koolyes
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:47:00 -
[1954]
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Anduz Mirr
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:51:00 -
[1955]
I'm new and I can't say I know much about this but if CCP is cheating then I'll find myself another MMO.
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thoradh
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.03.25 10:58:00 -
[1956]
Originally by: Jessica Dean
Originally by: Yaay
Originally by: Wu Jiaqiu
Originally by: Yaay I'm confused, what happened again? A GM did something to favor bob... really, a GM? So this GM did something epicly horrible? And we're sure it's a GM? So and like it was something game changing and unallowable? What could this supposedly GM have done? CHANGE A NAME? Dear god, black is white, up is down, bob are goons.
It's a ****ing game. Something unintended did happen...
The Mittanni clearly INTENDED to disband your alliance.
Also this isn't about a simple name change, its about the rules.
Again, you're quoting rules of a game... not even a real sport, but a cyber online fun game. And even worse, nobody is affected by this one b/c nobody who want's a name change has a history to back up the logic for their change like BoB does.
grow up you tool
Why should we be forced into complying with the rules if you feel that BoB should be entitled to a neverending series of exceptions from the rules?
Why do YOU, out of all people, be allowed to do whatever the hell you want?
It does affect everybody because whenever something remotely bad happens and someone gives you a tough beating you just emorage to your CSR mates and it gets fixed. We do not approve of a precedent, we do not want you to receive favors of ANY kind, and for that matter no one, but especially YOU.
If you ask me you should be playing the game from a handicapped position just to make up for all the cheating you've done in the past.
Your arrogance, the constant disobedience and lack of respect for the rules to which we all abide (regardless if indeed they are internet spaceship rules), depict your antisocial mentality.
I, and many others, feel like it is time for you to be wiped from EVE, deadline yesterday.
P.S. Start playing Freelancer or something (multiplayer isn't for you cavemen).
100% totally this. If you do not 'get' what this means then you will always wonder why BoC/BoD will be witchhunted out of this sandbox for as long as the servers are live
> > Noli illegitimi carborundum! > |
FoxyVixen
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:14:00 -
[1957]
Edited by: FoxyVixen on 25/03/2009 11:14:32 I agree with most of the people here. CCP. stop favoring your own alliance, and even if it wasn't your own. then you still did something wrong but favoring 1 alliance over the others. I know a name change isn't a big thing, but a rule is a rule. if that's not the case then I got a long list over rules I would love to be allowed to break on a daily base.
CPP FAIL. ----------------------------------
We are Amarr, we shall burn down our foes in a rain of lasers, and laugh as our foes weapons is washed off our armor. amen.
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:16:00 -
[1958]
okies again ccp where is the response to this 66 pages on this many more locked many more peeps who again find this unacceptable.
the gms response was hurf bluf everyone knows it from a noob to a vet how long are we going to wait 2 months for a proper and accurate response with facts
1,who else has this been done too alliance wise 2,where is the change to the rule stated 3,who else was consulted before this was done 4,and who had the final say
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Vrana
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:23:00 -
[1959]
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:26:00 -
[1960]
Patri
A fool usually thinks he is a genius |
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FS JitaTrader
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:29:00 -
[1961]
Thread needs more support from Alts tbh.
Go biomass alts who already supported this and make a new one and support again! make ccp think that EVERYONE supports this not just you Spoonswarm//Northern Cryalition//Pathetic Legion etc etc
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:30:00 -
[1962]
Another fun day in EVE, eh?
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Dyllyn
Tactical Combat Systems
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:32:00 -
[1963]
Originally by: FS JitaTrader Thread needs more support from Alts tbh.
Go biomass alts who already supported this and make a new one and support again! make ccp think that EVERYONE supports this not just you Spoonswarm//Northern Cryalition//Pathetic Legion etc etc
I am a neutral party and I do not, in fact, think developer misconduct and favoritism is a good idea.
oh gee that must mean i'm a GS alt. don't derail thread, you barely disguised flamebait
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schwar2ss
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:42:00 -
[1964]
Ah, bending the rules one more time in favor of Ex-BoB/Kenny? Shame on you GM in charge! You should be fired imho!
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Olianna Erion
Mythos Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:42:00 -
[1965]
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Manyar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:48:00 -
[1966]
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Deca Durance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:55:00 -
[1967]
Originally by: FS JitaTrader Thread needs more support from Alts tbh.
Go biomass alts who already supported this and make a new one and support again! make ccp think that EVERYONE supports this not just you Spoonswarm//Northern Cryalition//Pathetic Legion etc etc
I'm no alt and have zero affiliation to Goons, PL or any other involved Corps.
You are kidding yourself if you think only those fighting BoB are fed up with CCP being constantly being in their pocket.
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Phem Nuwan
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:56:00 -
[1968]
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Haraise Tenshi
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:57:00 -
[1969]
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DECA DANCE
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:57:00 -
[1970]
But yes I have an alt and I think this situation is typical of CCP and raises questions about the integrity of the whole game.
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HSDREAD
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:59:00 -
[1971]
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Bruminam
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Posted - 2009.03.25 11:59:00 -
[1972]
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Sadrinna
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:01:00 -
[1973]
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San Pek
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:13:00 -
[1974]
Edited by: San Pek on 25/03/2009 12:12:57 I support this.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:15:00 -
[1975]
Even if it is not really Bobr's failure, I support this. Such buddy deals have to stop finally...
Proud member of RZR - Decadence. |
Moraguth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:18:00 -
[1976]
good game
Hoc filum tradit - This thread delivers.
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Thercon Jair
Minmatar InQuest Ascension Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:19:00 -
[1977]
Oh wait, Band of Developers? That should be GoonSwarm, because, they do have the most members that are GM/Devs.
It's quite hypocritical to call someone to be favoured by the devs when those people whining about it have the biggest number of people working for CCP.
And, why exactly is this petition about "Disband BOBR"? It was only a namechange. If, at all, you're requesting something, it should be "rename BOBR back to Kenzoku", because everything else just shows what the real purpose of this is:
to finally and utterly destroy BoB and every member in it. It didn't work with all NAPing each other, it didn't work with using a clearly quite broken game mechanic using a defect member (but yes, it was intentional that you can disband a whole alliance, yet you have to wait 24h to unlock a BPO, wait 24h to kick an unwanted member out of a corp )
And still BoB is there and fights.
What comes next?
P.S.: thanks for killing Aurora, because, they so clearly favoured BoB and did all those favours for them. It's really nice that there's not a single bloody event left, it brings the backstory soooo close to us, makes us feel we can influence it.
P.P.S.: having a spy in an alliance is ok. BUT hacking into forums and TS servers or sniffing packets from the internet isn't truly inside the game rules. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar! |
AntarisIX
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:20:00 -
[1978]
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:23:00 -
[1979]
Originally by: irion felpamy
safeguards were deliberatly removed from the BOB executor corp, a risk was taken it did not pay off.
Funny how people pick up on the slightest peice of misinformation and run with it like it is proof. I assume you are talking about shares. I also assume you have never been in a position where you could actually try kicking a corp out of an alliance?
--
I honeslty don't know how Goonswarm got away with identity theft which other corps have been punished for previously, but I don't really care either. The fact is that they were shown favouritism that other corps have not been shown, and I think that is a gross injustice. The current situation is nothing more than an uncomfortable compromise.
I'm serious.
アニメ漫画です
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Nadar
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:24:00 -
[1980]
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NadsMan
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:25:00 -
[1981]
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:28:00 -
[1982]
Hi Avon, remember saying this?
Originally by: Avon What CCP need to do is clearly define the policy here, and the process involved. They need to reassure the playerbase that name changes will only be made if the name is seen as reasonably likely to cause real offence to the general public.
Originally by: Avon I don't want either everything banned or allowed, that isn't the issue is with selective enforcement. What I want are rules that are enforced fairly and equally. If something is not allowed, then it should be the same for everyone. If something is allowed, then it should be the same for everyone.
How hard is that to understand?
How times change
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Almighty Malachi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:28:00 -
[1983]
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Esharan
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:34:00 -
[1984]
This is a tough decision for me, because while I think what happened to BOB in the first place was fairly trashy, and unfortunate (certainly not the way I would want to bring down a foe), and I think Meta Gaming is lame true, but this is all part of what makes EVE great and it does seem like their may be some favoritism here.
If CCP could provide some proof that they have taken similar actions before (which I do not believe they have) then perhaps I would be more amicable to the whole name change situation. Furthermore, now that a precedent has been set, they better be ready and willing to change any alliance name.
In addition, if BOBR did get to keep their sov. despite the change that is fairly unconventional too I think, because usually an alliance to change their name would have to reform and lose sov. So BOB most likely should have had to undergo the same process at least, instead of just having a quick painless transfer.
So at the moment, with the given information, I support this cause, BOBR should have to disband, THEN they should reform with their new name and sacrifice standing etc, it just seems more fair that way. I do have sympathy for BOB because of the whole way they went down (very dis-honorable way to win goons imo...) but still it shouldn't get them sympathy from DEVS who should be un-biased and not show any form of favoritism.
Let's see how it shakes out.
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:35:00 -
[1985]
Originally by: Thercon Jair Oh wait, Band of Developers? That should be GoonSwarm, because, they do have the most members that are GM/Devs.
It's quite hypocritical to call someone to be favoured by the devs when those people whining about it have the biggest number of people working for CCP.
Goonswarm may have the most devs/gms, but they're not the ones getting rules bent to help them win at internet spaceships like BoB. They don't have a history of devs/gms flat out cheating to help their alliance.
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Shikome Alluin
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:36:00 -
[1986]
Originally by: Talon Scorpio law or justice? We all know that the disbanding of bob was done in a way that begs the question of what was intended by CCP policy with regard to the one button option. That sort of thing was not intended to be used in the way it was. We know that. Further, the letter of the law...is open to interpretation in its application. And none of you are the judges in this case. You are the public.
First Id just like to say that sure, the disbanding by one button is kinda fsckt-up but:
If Molle hadn't removed the shares so alliance changes could go through without a vote then that's his mistake. And how come a absent director still had executor roles intact? Its like removing your firewall because your bandwidth suffers lag, who's fault is it your "secrits" gets stolen? You or the hacker capitalising on the security lapse?
Not anybody's fault but your own you did a stupid thing like this.
And your "letter of the law" point... Its not that the name changed, most couldn't care less. Its that you guys got the rules bent in your favour by CCP YET AGAIN! Countless Alliances have had to disband/lose sov/pay 1bill and reform to get what you got by "pressing 1 button"... (ironic I know :P)
So I guess:
Originally by: George Orwell All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
- Aloha mr Hand |
Cipher7
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:39:00 -
[1987]
66 pages of spam by the 12 people who care and their 6 alts.
This is quite a threadnaught.
See if you can get it 80 pages of wasted disk space by tonight. ---
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CountingCrow
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:43:00 -
[1988]
Originally by: Cipher7
66 pages of spam by the 12 people who care and their 6 alts.
This is quite a threadnaught.
See if you can get it 80 pages of wasted disk space by tonight.
Thanx for helping out ♥
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Shikome Alluin
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:44:00 -
[1989]
Originally by: Cipher7
66 pages of spam by the 12 people who care and their 6 alts.
This is quite a threadnaught.
See if you can get it 80 pages of wasted disk space by tonight.
You are on page 67, thanks for helping "the cause". And there are allot more then "the swarm" raising their legitimate voice. - Aloha mr Hand |
Shikome Alluin
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:45:00 -
[1990]
Edited by: Shikome Alluin on 25/03/2009 12:45:15 lol double post... thatĤs been awhile.
- Aloha mr Hand |
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Kurt Gergard
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 12:47:00 -
[1991]
================================================ "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke |
Navaj0
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:05:00 -
[1992]
You know what, **** it, following 3 accounts (each char on a seperate account) cancelled until this **** is reversed.
thoradh TCup Navaj0
Might be back if this gets reversed...
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DaemonExodus
Sleeper Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:07:00 -
[1993]
Violation of the rules. Needs to be changed back until all other alliances can do this.
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Brbarlow195
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:22:00 -
[1994]
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Keln Gadik
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:34:00 -
[1995]
I am a new player. Just plugged in my 60 day code a few days ago. I mainly became interested in looking at EVE due to all the news that was generated because of the Goons taking down BOB. (I guess that is a testament to the saying "there is no such thing as bad press.") I think however questionable the Goons taking out of BOB was, it does not merit any special treatment by the developers. If they used in-game metrics to complete what amounts to a hostile takeover then so be it.
If that in-game metric needs to be changed then the systems put in place to make in-game rule changes should be utilized.
If there is an in game metric for changing your alliance name then it should be used. Anything else would be some form of favoritism. Regardless good luck to all involved. |
Scarlette Harlette
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:52:00 -
[1996]
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Monikerina
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:53:00 -
[1997]
Can I change my name please?
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Lu Zhou
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Posted - 2009.03.25 13:58:00 -
[1998]
Hey look.
Originally by: Jade Constantine WALL OF TEXT
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WhiteTigersGod
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:05:00 -
[1999]
CCP doesnt realize that with such a small game like this word of mouth is the best advertisement they cant get really.
Now they have over 1300 players calling shenanigans.
Most of these players are willing to stop playing if ccp doesnt listen to overwehlming opinion of the players.
With this massive amount of disappointment ccp will lose allot of business.
I for one will not pay my subscription until this is fixed and I urge all of you to do the same.
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CaptainDreik
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:06:00 -
[2000]
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Morte Salutari
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:06:00 -
[2001]
Originally by: Cipher7
66 pages of spam by the 12 people who care and their 6 alts.
This is quite a threadnaught.
See if you can get it 80 pages of wasted disk space by tonight.
Hey d ickhead
Of 2000 posts in the thread 1400 are unique votes in agreement with the proposal. We only get to vote once.
It amazes me that you big alliances think you are the only ones in this game. I have no knowledge of, or connection to, any major player. But I pay for the game and I expect there to be no cheating from the developers or CCP.
As has been said, if CCP have repeatedly done such high profile cheats for BoB how many other times have they given them things and not been found out
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Naomi Knight
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:07:00 -
[2002]
Yes ,and ban all goon ******s aswell.
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Lord Captain
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:10:00 -
[2003]
+1
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Seifer Al'Masy
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:10:00 -
[2004]
67 pages, countless posts.... and still no reply from CCP.
a shame, really _____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back." |
Captain Kolchak
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:12:00 -
[2005]
Edited by: Captain Kolchak on 25/03/2009 14:13:23 +1
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Hell Commander
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:15:00 -
[2006]
They killed Kenny!
Save the Kenny!
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The Blackburd
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:19:00 -
[2007]
Hate aligning with Goonies but this **** has to stop CCP.
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Tlar Sanqua
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:31:00 -
[2008]
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Simokon
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:35:00 -
[2009]
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:35:00 -
[2010]
Originally by: Shikome Alluin
If Molle hadn't removed the shares so alliance changes could go through without a vote then that's his mistake.
This isn't factual. Shares have nothing to do with the mechanic in play.
ISSUE - Bring Space Bushido to CAOD |
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Astral Water
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:49:00 -
[2011]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Shikome Alluin
If Molle hadn't removed the shares so alliance changes could go through without a vote then that's his mistake.
This isn't factual. Shares have nothing to do with the mechanic in play.
Who cares what you think Jade?
One game, one rule. If CCP hasn't dealt with this issue by next week I am thinking some other online games are looking better. I can vote with my 6 accounts.
Here is the root of the problem CCP, in case you were not aware what everyone is so upset about. We spend our money, our time, and our effort to sink into this vast game that you create. We are not all massochists alright? Time and time again we get into conflicts with this BOB entity. This entity gets favors, and has been caught for a lot of things, who knows what it has not been caught for.
It is my suspicion that "MAX Damage" actually stood for "MAX GTCs" cause if you think about it Damage = GTCs. Perhaps the brass at CCP keep someone up high on the food chain so that they can increase the sales of GTCs. Maybe this is all about money, manipulating the game to make more cash. Whatever the reason, this whole thing is complete bull**** having one alliance that just seems to keep getting the favors.
Yeah I have 6 characters to vote with. Your move CCP.
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Krakaan Byzantia
CINDER INDUSTRIALS United Outworlders
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:00:00 -
[2012]
This is becoming ridiculous. -------------------------------------------------- This world is kill or be killed never forget it. |
Xsenia Aterley
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:05:00 -
[2013]
I want to change my alliance name!
No exception for rules.
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RYDE FX
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:12:00 -
[2014]
no one should be above the rules
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Demoral Dave
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:12:00 -
[2015]
Yes!
Bending rules has to end at some point and this seem as good time as any to stop the insanity.
At the very least make return the name into it's orginal state and give them the same option everyone else has had. 'Create a new alliance if you want a new name..'
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jm24
Rho Holding Corp GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:15:00 -
[2016]
i'm a pirate
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Kuzya Morozov
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:15:00 -
[2017]
Down with Band of Developers and BOB Online!
PS - Jade, no one cares. Really, I'm serious.
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Shikome Alluin
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:21:00 -
[2018]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Shikome Alluin
If Molle hadn't removed the shares so alliance changes could go through without a vote then that's his mistake.
This isn't factual. Shares have nothing to do with the mechanic in play.
I will use one of your memeĤs here: "I believe" it is. If you point me in the right direction of said rule stating that it is not. then Ill concede this point ofc. However, taking your "words" for anything but spin is harder and harder for every line of text you write.
CCP nor you and the "animals more equal then others" can not ignore all these people crying:
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark" (Iceland)
(ooh Orwell and Shakespeare..., I knew that library card would pay of :P) - Aloha mr Hand |
Khor Kalom
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:23:00 -
[2019]
Edited by: Khor Kalom on 25/03/2009 15:27:05 Every Alliance is born, every Alliance can die.
Thats the Game
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Caldari Citizen4714
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:25:00 -
[2020]
I don't know who we're kidding.
Even if the CSM has the brass to broach this subject, CCP won't act on it. Despite having more support by almost an order of magnitude than any other issue I've seen.
Not even if every player not in KenZoku supports it.
:sigh: What can you possibly do when the entity holding all the keys is against you?
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St0rmtr00per
Mechanical Engineering
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:25:00 -
[2021]
supporting this
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Mizuki
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.25 15:31:00 -
[2022]
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Jamyl TashMurkon
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:02:00 -
[2023]
ITS JUST A FRICKIN NAME !!!!
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Qlanth
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:04:00 -
[2024]
Originally by: Jamyl TashMurkon ITS JUST A FRICKIN NAME !!!!
What you don't understand is Sov mechanics. If they wanted a new name they should have left or disbanded KenZoku and formed a new alliance just like every single other group in this game would have had to.
I guess I misunderstood what had happened originally. I guess all the former BoB corps joined another already formed alliance instead of creating a new one, so they had no say over their name when they joined KenZoku.
They had a choice: Join KenZoku, or make a new alliance with a new name. They chose KenZoku, this never should have even been considered by CCP.
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christmascaveman
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:07:00 -
[2025]
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Oneiros Endlesse
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:07:00 -
[2026]
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Looren
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:11:00 -
[2027]
yes change the name back.....no special rules for *spezial* friends
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Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:13:00 -
[2028]
Edited by: Lin Bao on 25/03/2009 16:13:33
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
BoB was crippled by borderline abuse/exploit of game mechanics or lack thereof and they went through proper channels when they realised that the old name had been "reserved" by another party.
They could have made a new alliance called bob reloaded if they cared so much about their identity, they did not. They chose an already existing alt alliance to join called Kenzoku to give them sov advantage in Delve. They made their decision, they should have to live with it and not break the rules everyone else has to follow.
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Carbine Toth
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:16:00 -
[2029]
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Myllonn
ICE is Coming to EVE
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:21:00 -
[2030]
found at least the right symbol for agreeing with the proposal...
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Carson Cache
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:22:00 -
[2031]
lets see if the CSM has any real power, not holding my breath tho.
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Kralin Ignatov
The Colour Out of Space Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:27:00 -
[2032]
I don't like beavers |
Makach'Mouchkil
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:29:00 -
[2033]
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Iva Soreass
Blind Violence
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:29:00 -
[2034]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Despite having more support by almost an order of magnitude than any other issue I've seen.
So false, considering 90% of the 'supports' in this thread are by alt's which in turn are probably goon//nc alts.
If you could only support this with 1 char per account then we would see the REAL number.
Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal |
Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:32:00 -
[2035]
Originally by: Iva Soreass
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Despite having more support by almost an order of magnitude than any other issue I've seen.
So false, considering 90% of the 'supports' in this thread are by alt's which in turn are probably goon//nc alts.
If you could only support this with 1 char per account then we would see the REAL number.
says the bob pet.
-------------------------- NOTR B A N A N A S |
Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:34:00 -
[2036]
Originally by: Iva Soreass
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 Despite having more support by almost an order of magnitude than any other issue I've seen.
So false, considering 90% of the 'supports' in this thread are by alt's which in turn are probably goon//nc alts.
If you could only support this with 1 char per account then we would see the REAL number.
I don't agree with you, ergo, you're a bob alt/pet.
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Melina Yeoh
Caldari Project Phantasma
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:36:00 -
[2037]
Grimmi already explained the action taken yesterday so there's no point in continuing the bitter rage. Regardless of what either CSM says, there really is no voice for the player base that will ever be heard and actions addressed in the right time.
Band of Brothers and KenZoku are nothing more than a name much like any other corp or alliance. Love them or hate them it makes no difference. Log into eve and kill them if you hate bob that much. The only voice that will ever be heard is the guns blazing and missile spamming of internet spaceships tbh. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. |
Ameri Boi
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:39:00 -
[2038]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 I don't know who we're kidding.
Even if the CSM has the brass to broach this subject, CCP won't act on it. Despite having more support by almost an order of magnitude than any other issue I've seen.
Not even if every player not in KenZoku supports it.
:sigh: What can you possibly do when the entity holding all the keys is against you?
Like an apologist asking "Why resist a military junta?"
pew pew boom boom FLASH splat. |
Jaden Corral
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:40:00 -
[2039]
BoB made their choice when they decided to become kenny, they should be made to live with their choice like everyone else has to; soverignty, or name, not both.
CCP should be made to acknowledge their mistake, other people/corps/alliances have been denied a name change, and to bend the rules for kenny and change it is rediclous, especially given that by now kenny was estabished as an alliance name and identity.
GM's still need to learn some PR skills; in the threads about this i've seen them not reply despite people asking them to, while still managing to delete people's posts, and when they have replied they seem to make excuses to fob people off.
Not happy with CCP. ------------------------------- http://www.save-evetv.com/ |
Alakazam
Rather Odd Industrial Dynasty
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:40:00 -
[2040]
why they did this? they must've know that it would create a ****storm. it's very disrespectful to me as a paying customer.
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Spoon
Laissez-Faire
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:48:00 -
[2041]
I see alot of Goonswarm/something awful alts.... I hardly expect to see this thread taken seriously....
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Opus Dai
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:57:00 -
[2042]
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Lin Bao
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:57:00 -
[2043]
Originally by: Spoon I see alot of Goonswarm/something awful alts.... I hardly expect to see this thread taken seriously....
You can't refute any point made so you whine about alts instead
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.25 16:59:00 -
[2044]
Originally by: Spoon I see alot of Goonswarm/something awful alts.... I hardly expect to see this thread taken seriously....
Bob and friends might dont take it serious. But I think breaking general rules for a small group of players is an issue for the whole playerbase. It in this case has nothing to do with Bob itself. It could have been every other alliance which has developers friends and got other dev favors in the past, if there would be any...
Proud member of RZR - Decadence. |
Besomyka
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:00:00 -
[2045]
I support this. No alliance should be able to use GMs to circumvent SOV mechanics. I don't care about the name, this about actualin-game cheating.
They should be disbanded, and allowed to to recreate the alliance with that same name. Well, close to it. Apparently it's too long for a player to actually create. They'll be "Band of Brothers Reloade". Which is close enough, I'd think. I'm sure they'd be happy with that.
I actually have some sympathy for them, but as far as I know the disbanding and subsequent registration of the BoB name was completely legitimate and caused by a meta-game betrayal which CCP has expressly allowed, if not actively encouraged. It is, in fact, one of EvE's strongest selling points.
So while I know it must suck to be BoB this recent change must NOT be allowed to stand. Sympathy is not justification for cheating.
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Joakim Saxon
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:19:00 -
[2046]
The number of other goons that got trolled by the "character limit" on corporation and alliance names amuse me. Its not 24/25/whatever guys.
Everything else still stands though. One rule for all. |
Spoon
Laissez-Faire
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:24:00 -
[2047]
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Originally by: Spoon I see alot of Goonswarm/something awful alts.... I hardly expect to see this thread taken seriously....
Bob and friends might dont take it serious. But I think breaking general rules for a small group of players is an issue for the whole playerbase. It in this case has nothing to do with Bob itself. It could have been every other alliance which has developers friends and got other dev favors in the past, if there would be any...
The whole point is bias since the only people replying are the ones who would benefit from the proposal, if one that demanded the disbanding of Razor or goonswarm on some technical ground that was minor which this is effectivly poped up and got 2000 votes from mostly corpless alts would you expect it to be taken seriously....
another thing this is is a pr attempt to drag Bob throught the dirt again to gain credability something which the goonswarm has been lossing at a dramitic rate if any of my fellow empire freinds have to say.
what ever you say its obbious what is going on here. Anyone with half a brain can see so dont try and lecture to be about right and wrong your wasting the energy in your fingers. |
KosmikZA
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:27:00 -
[2048]
Answer CCP. We're waiting.
Maybe a false advertising complaint wouldn't hurt. You can't say its a player run world with this many complaints. |
SpeedY G0nZaleZ
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:32:00 -
[2049]
1 rule, 1 game, no NEPOTISTIC BULL****.
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Morag Tong
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:33:00 -
[2050]
Originally by: Spoon The whole point is bias since the only people replying are the ones who would benefit from the proposal, if one that demanded the disbanding of Razor or goonswarm on some technical ground that was minor which this is effectivly poped up and got 2000 votes from mostly corpless alts would you expect it to be taken seriously....
another thing this is is a pr attempt to drag Bob throught the dirt again to gain credability something which the goonswarm has been lossing at a dramitic rate if any of my fellow empire freinds have to say.
what ever you say its obbious what is going on here. Anyone with half a brain can see so dont try and lecture to be about right and wrong your wasting the energy in your fingers.
Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid man. Erase the names BoBR and Goons from this issue and the point IS obvious. The problem is being clouded by the entities involved.
This is wrong, period.
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Johanna Johnsen
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:39:00 -
[2051]
Originally by: Slaveone In another demonstration of developer misconduct CCP renamed Kenzoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded. This has never been done for an alliance, character, or corporation, ever.
Please vote up to disband BOBR.
I support This
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Spoon
Laissez-Faire
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:44:00 -
[2052]
Originally by: Morag Tong
Originally by: Spoon The whole point is bias since the only people replying are the ones who would benefit from the proposal, if one that demanded the disbanding of Razor or goonswarm on some technical ground that was minor which this is effectivly poped up and got 2000 votes from mostly corpless alts would you expect it to be taken seriously....
another thing this is is a pr attempt to drag Bob throught the dirt again to gain credability something which the goonswarm has been lossing at a dramitic rate if any of my fellow empire freinds have to say.
what ever you say its obbious what is going on here. Anyone with half a brain can see so dont try and lecture to be about right and wrong your wasting the energy in your fingers.
Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid man. Erase the names BoBR and Goons from this issue and the point IS obvious. The problem is being clouded by the entities involved.
This is wrong, period.
No the issue is minor and pointless. Its over a string of characters, its fueled by childish vendetas and in game aspirations to gain a upper hand.
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Seifer Al'Masy
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:44:00 -
[2053]
Originally by: Carson Cache lets see if the CSM has any real power, not holding my breath tho.
sorry mate, but i do belive that all this "CSM... Assembly Wall... n' stuff" was created only to keep us entertained with something(and some hope.. but only that).
i belive CCP will do the same thing as others, hide(you will not read/hear a word from them.)
But, as a wise man once said, Hope is the last to die.
- Seifer
_____ "Take everything you can, give nothing back." |
RaYaa
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:06:00 -
[2054]
some good ratting systems are cynojammed now due to this :(
your face, your ass -- what's the difference? |
THEIR NAME
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:07:00 -
[2055]
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Lups
BROWBEAT
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:12:00 -
[2056]
CEO
Beware The Badgers Of Doom!! |
Efrim Black
Gallente Apellon
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:13:00 -
[2057]
Originally by: Seifer Al'Masy
Originally by: Carson Cache lets see if the CSM has any real power, not holding my breath tho.
sorry mate, but i do belive that all this "CSM... Assembly Wall... n' stuff" was created only to keep us entertained with something(and some hope.. but only that).
i belive CCP will do the same thing as others, hide(you will not read/hear a word from them.)
But, as a wise man once said, Hope is the last to die.
- Seifer
I do believe you're wrong. Shows a basic misunderstanding of the CSM system, which by it's design takes some time to have an effect. Even if the skill que was the only thing they had ever done, it would validate their existence, but they also provided some serious balancing, UI tweaks, and the Orca.
Thats not the point here anyhow. This thread is just another pr attempt by the Goons. BOB did the same thing to them when they had any real power. The two just go back and forth annoying everyone else in the universe.
Since the Goons will bump this for another year or so, no harm in condemning the waste of a Slot on the Assembly's main page.
You frothing lap-dogs.
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:13:00 -
[2058]
what do you think would be better - that CCP openly declares it's support for BoB or that it just stays silent and denies everything?
What are you gonna do if they get balls enough to declare a favorite alliance? fight them or rage-quit?
I'd think it'd be pretty amusing if they came out in the open
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Akemi Tarazon
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:19:00 -
[2059]
I strongly, full-heartedly support this. I've never worked with goonies nor with bob. But the very stickiness between BoB and CCP goes beyond one's capacity of describing it in proper words. It's like I'm unknowingly getting a lemon from a car dealer w/ exactly the same amount of cash his cousin pays for to get a Mercede from backdoor. If I am mad enough to go for being headlined, I'd smash his store w/ the lemon he sold, and shot him in his face.
W/ the so much public announcement of YOUR love to YOUR bob, YOU are sharply indicating me that the portion of my life I've waisted is just digitalized as few binary glitches of the YOUR database file. And YOU are saying YOU can play it however YOU want it. Fine. I get it.
Like Ghost Training issue and T2 BPO scandal, however, this one will go down a long way for the years to come. YOU will never be free from people armed with these issues ganking YOU when and where most unexpected, and I promise YOU that I will be one of them.
Fly safe.
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G'ulSera
Masters of Noise
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:21:00 -
[2060]
Originally by: Ephemeron what do you think would be better - that CCP openly declares it's support for BoB or that it just stays silent and denies everything?
What are you gonna do if they get balls enough to declare a favorite alliance? fight them or rage-quit?
I'd think it'd be pretty amusing if they came out in the open
Need a tinfoil?
This thread makes me laugh everytime i read it
Stop the whining, fight them all you want, and stop annoying people with the same crap for the rest of the year... Big boohoo that they changed they're name, are you scared to fight them now or something?
And what do i think would be better? For more raging goon muppets so i lol some more Fight To Survive, Survive To Fight Messing up your mind with the sound of destruction *The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty* |
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Jamyl TashMurkon
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:22:00 -
[2061]
Originally by: Qlanth
Originally by: Jamyl TashMurkon ITS JUST A FRICKIN NAME !!!!
What you don't understand is Sov mechanics. If they wanted a new name they should have left or disbanded KenZoku and formed a new alliance just like every single other group in this game would have had to.
I guess I misunderstood what had happened originally. I guess all the former BoB corps joined another already formed alliance instead of creating a new one, so they had no say over their name when they joined KenZoku.
They had a choice: Join KenZoku, or make a new alliance with a new name. They chose KenZoku, this never should have even been considered by CCP.
You exploited Game mechs, No ! *flame suit on*
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Jamyl TashMurkon
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:23:00 -
[2062]
Originally by: Qlanth
Originally by: Jamyl TashMurkon ITS JUST A FRICKIN NAME !!!!
What you don't understand is Sov mechanics. If they wanted a new name they should have left or disbanded KenZoku and formed a new alliance just like every single other group in this game would have had to.
I guess I misunderstood what had happened originally. I guess all the former BoB corps joined another already formed alliance instead of creating a new one, so they had no say over their name when they joined KenZoku.
They had a choice: Join KenZoku, or make a new alliance with a new name. They chose KenZoku, this never should have even been considered by CCP.
You exploited Game mechs, No ! *flame suit on*
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TheGunslinger42
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:35:00 -
[2063]
Originally by: Spoon
No the issue is minor and pointless. Its over a string of characters, its fueled by childish vendetas and in game aspirations to gain a upper hand.
How hard is it for your people to see the point? It's about the fact that they've been given special treatment that allowed them to keep sov when other alliances would have been told to disband if they wanted a new name. Bob jumped into kenzoku to gain/keep a little sov easily and quickly then later asked to get the name changed to something they wanted instead of going about it the normal, legit way and making a new alliance with the name they wanted from the start then gaining sov.
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Jejed Aerythis
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:36:00 -
[2064]
nice ad for eve ccp, before when people ask me about eve I use to answer it was a good game thank to the gameplay etc.. Now f*** up the gameplay I will say to don't try it cause devs aren't fair with all player. gg ccp your game sucks by now
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Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:49:00 -
[2065]
The OP is mistaken that this has never been done before. There are numerous examples that everyone seems to be ignoring in General and CAOD threads, so based on that I disagree. Keep the tears flowing though since CAOD is much cleaner now that the Goons and Goon allies are around a circle "discussing" the issue.
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Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:55:00 -
[2066]
Originally by: Serj Darek The OP is mistaken that this has never been done before. There are numerous examples that everyone seems to be ignoring in General and CAOD threads, so based on that I disagree. Keep the tears flowing though since CAOD is much cleaner now that the Goons and Goon allies are around a circle "discussing" the issue.
Quote: Serj Darek Black Nova Corp KenZoku
lol
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CountingCrow
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:57:00 -
[2067]
Originally by: GM Grimmi We appreciate the feedback from everyone. After reviewing all of these very valid concerns, we were compelled to go back over the information weĈd collected in this case and carefully weighed it again against the precedents set in the past. Ultimately, we felt we had no other recourse than to reverse the name change, the key factor being that during this re-investigation we learned that the KenZoku alliance was created several months before the BoB alliance leadership switched hands. That being the case, the name change request was not submitted within a timely manner, as it had been in the legacy cases we were holding up as examples.
We will be contacting the CSM for input regarding our naming policies.
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Vladic Ka
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:01:00 -
[2068]
Originally by: Serj Darek The OP is mistaken that this has never been done before. There are numerous examples that everyone seems to be ignoring in General and CAOD threads, so based on that I disagree. Keep the tears flowing though since CAOD is much cleaner now that the Goons and Goon allies are around a circle "discussing" the issue.
Nice sig. Ill take it.
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Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:01:00 -
[2069]
Edited by: Serj Darek on 25/03/2009 19:00:53 No more tears :( I am very unhappy, it has been hilarious watching the threadnaughts!
Stay tuned, I am sure something else will happen to cause FUD. :)
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Twobits PieCake
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:02:00 -
[2070]
Edited by: Twobits PieCake on 25/03/2009 19:03:11 no CCP cookies to friedns
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Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:03:00 -
[2071]
Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Serj Darek The OP is mistaken that this has never been done before. There are numerous examples that everyone seems to be ignoring in General and CAOD threads, so based on that I disagree. Keep the tears flowing though since CAOD is much cleaner now that the Goons and Goon allies are around a circle "discussing" the issue.
Nice sig. Ill take it.
Enjoy it as much as we did, this way you can reflect on your tears with a smile on your face. :)
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Jamyl TashMurkon
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:04:00 -
[2072]
Considering 97.5454 % of this thread consisted of Gooons, i demand a re-vote w/o goons ^_^ or trial accounts of goons
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Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:07:00 -
[2073]
Originally by: Jamyl TashMurkon Considering 97.5454 % of this thread consisted of Gooons, i demand a re-vote w/o goons ^_^ or trial accounts of goons
Amusing really, since they really don't care about the game. Step on their ability to grief and they waffle like little girls. :)
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:09:00 -
[2074]
Name change was rescinded, seems like a fair enough solution to me. Looks like this is appropriate again...
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Jack Sparrah
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:10:00 -
[2075]
We do not have to quit. Let us all suspend our subscription for 1 month. I am certain we can find other games to play for just 1 month. Loss of a month's revenue might not bankrupt CCP, or even dent their wallet, but its effect will be felt. For alliances holding sovereignty, they can cycle the numbers, 33% of the alliance will suspend subscription for a month, and for those with numerous accounts, suspend subscription on one account. This has to get CCP's attention.
What really gets to me is that no explanation has been offered
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Jalum Krayal
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:12:00 -
[2076]
Oh, the irony of that sig. It's delicious. |
Vaermina Valessara
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:12:00 -
[2077]
Boosh!
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Mack Alex
Caldari DutchBat inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:14:00 -
[2078]
What was the social impact of BoB being changed to KenZoku?
Kenny always dies at the end :) Killer Carebear |
Sirani
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:15:00 -
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Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mack Alex What was the social impact of BoB being changed to KenZoku?
Kenny always dies at the end :)
Yeah, but he comes back every episode like Jason Vorhees.
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Serj Darek Edited by: Serj Darek on 25/03/2009 19:19:19
Originally by: Mack Alex What was the social impact of BoB being changed to KenZoku?
Kenny always dies at the end :)
Yeah, but he comes back every episode like syphilis.
I corrected your typo. nbd, no thanks needed.
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Serj Darek
Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Serj Darek on 25/03/2009 19:21:58
Originally by: Mack Alex What was the social impact of BoB being changed to KenZoku?
Kenny always dies at the end :)
Yeah, but he comes back every episode like syphilis.
I corrected your typo. nbd, no thanks needed.
Bitter, party of one? :)
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:31:00 -
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Thread is now redundant.
locked.
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