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Noofels
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:59:00 -
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Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
308
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:01:00 -
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standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
235
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:02:00 -
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I typically just go play other games during Hulkageddon. It's CCP's "sandbox"...if they think this is good gameplay, they certainly are welcome to think so. Some folks seem to have a great time with Hulkageddon. |
Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:04:00 -
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Stop playing EVE. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
261
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:05:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk.
Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
268
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:05:00 -
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Learn to align, learn to tank, learn to orca fleet mine, learn to mine in empty non-popular systems? Learn another profession? learn to play eve? Make friends, move to null and mine there? rent a system? Move to 1.0 rookie systems and mine? Learn to PVP? Learn to PVE? learn to Explore? Learn to market, learn to research, learn to manufacture?
The only person stopping you from playing is YOURSELF. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:05:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? No, but you can whine to CCP until they just give you, free, more EHP <3
It is a very attractive option, you can do it WHILE you mine (yes, maintaining isk/hour) and if enough of you do it, you all benefit! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2327
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:06:00 -
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There are several options available for you during these times. It's just that the stay still and continue to mine AFK isn't one of the good ones. If you choose to continue to use the best mining vessel for the job, you have to bail out at the first sign of trouble. This means learning to use the intel tools available and allows higher profits at the expense of having to pay constant attention to your surroundings. You can also choose to use a less efficient ship for mining, but which offers great tanking potential. Any 8 Turret battleship should do just fine. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
116
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:06:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Wrong. It's possible to get ganked in highsec while mining, but if your doing it right, chances are the ganker will fail....or won't try due to your tank or defense. However if your lazy and afk, odds are good that you will die.
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
131
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:07:00 -
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Noofels wrote:They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me. Move to low-/null-sec, problem solved. +1 in local |
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FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:07:00 -
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If you really are that afraid to undock your hulk, just dont do it. Simple enough. Pvpers do that all the time. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
268
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:08:00 -
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I can sit in a station all day and have fun and make isk, why can't you? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
293
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:09:00 -
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An interesting way to fix this that i just came up with would be for a mining fleet (including the combat defense ships) to be flagged for open combat. Meaning that while the op is going on, anyone can shoot them, and they can shoot anyone else. That way your combat pilots could actually defend you, and you wouldn't have to go running to CCP every time some big, bad bear comes and blows your defenseless ship up.
Basically running a mining op would be like being wardecced to the whole galaxy, only it wouldn't be announced and would only last as long as there were mining ships actually mining and an orca providing bonuses. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Rashino Zea
Universal Freelance
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:10:00 -
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Lawyer up, hit the gym, delete facebook. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
798
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:11:00 -
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Son, any ship can get ganked anywhere it flies, anytime.
It's kind of the point of a pvp internet spaceships game. Here's your sign... |
Angel Lust
Vikinghall
48
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:13:00 -
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Just stop playing EVE until hulkageddon is over.
You cant defend yourself... why risk a 400m hulk ?
Just saying.... |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
97
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:14:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings.
I recall that being a bannable offense.
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Though, I don't know why miners don't stock up on minerals during the "Mining Season" and then sell said minerals for a much greater profit during the Trials and Tribulations (aka Hulkaggeddon).
Or be there to scavenge when the gankers and victims go *boom*. Just get a cheap-fit indy ship with nanos (fast align) to get in and get the goods and warp out before their neutrals show up. |
XIRUSPHERE
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:15:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk.
Add learn to set bookmarks and stayed aligned to that list, it offers near 100% safety if you actually bother to pay attention. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
75
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:17:00 -
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Why not move out of high sec? It's pretty obvious who is trying to kill you in low / null sec, in high sec it's pretty impossible to tell who is trying to kill you. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
116
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:24:00 -
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Dyner wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. I recall that being a bannable offense.
Drawing Concord? Not anymore than drawing Concord away from a belt.
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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Prince Kobol
569
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:30:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Stop tying out of your arse.
I have mined during the last 3 hulkageddons and have lost zero hulks.
In fact I have never lost one mining ship to a gank across 4 accounts.
Why, because I actually fit a decent tank, scout the systems I want to mine in and use fecking D-Scan...
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stoicfaux
990
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:30:00 -
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On one hand, by design the gankers are given the initiative and have a bearable penalty imposed on them, thus making ganking practical and "easy" in high-sec.
On the other hand, you're making mostly-afk isk so there's not a lot of sympathy to create a situation where a Hulk can run with two mining/cargo mods, two Cargohold II rigs, and no tank without any worry.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
97
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:32:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Dyner wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. I recall that being a bannable offense. Drawing Concord? Not anymore than drawing Concord away from a belt.
One could say the same for abandoned drones and concord, and CCP all ready said what it was :P
Best to chill in you CQ watching **** flicks |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:35:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Stop tying out of your arse.
I have mined during the last 3 hulkageddons and have lost zero hulks.
In fact I have never lost one mining ship to a gank across 4 accounts.
Why, because I actually fit a decent tank, scout the systems I want to mine in and use fecking D-Scan... Good miner, you're not doing it while being pretty much afk. That doesn't count!
stoicfaux wrote:On the other hand, you're making mostly-afk isk so there's not a lot of sympathy to create a situation where a Hulk can run with two mining/cargo mods, two Cargohold II rigs, and no tank without any worry. You know, we were contemplating doing that. Well, a minimal tank because of battleship rats. Just in case. Might not need cargohold rigs though, it doesn't increase your yield... maybe just tech 1 rigs?
People here don't have to kill us nigh instantly before CONCORD gets them. In fact, once they get the point on, it's all over ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:37:00 -
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You'll never be totally safe but you can improve your odds.
- Avoid the belts. (Grav sites)
- DSCAN is your friend.
- Local is too.
- Align for warp-out. (Either station or safe spot)
- Tank (Mostly laughable but every little bit helps)
- Be alert.
Another approach would be to hit the belts in a Bantam or rookie ship. Deny them the satisfaction of a barge or exhumer kill.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:47:00 -
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Read this thread.
As you state: nothing can stop a determined ganker. If you build a decent tank, they will just bring more/bigger/badder.
In that post linked above, you will find my suggested fits for a Drake/Rokh mining fleet, along with many excellent fits for tanky Hulks. My corp and close friends have been running mining ops using the Drake/Rokhs fleet set up. Yield is way less than in a Orca/Hulk fleet, but we have not been messed with so far. Not to say we are safe, cuz we ain't. But with two or three Rokhs and my poor man's command ship (Drake), we do okay.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
142
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:47:00 -
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- Insured covetors
-Less loss if ganked, well you lose a little isk in yield -use non ore mining ship -not worth the points if I remember the hulkageddon rules
- Tank
-More tank is less yield, but more to kill -Orca combine with shield resist booster
- Mine off the main highsecs
-ie the augnais area, places many jumps from the hubs. So you stockpile and fly a bit further to sell, or change where you sell -subfactions such as khanid, and the like -should do this anyway. less competition for the good ores, and typically more profit on the sales to the border inhabitants even undercutting
- mine in 0.7 and more
-faster concord response time, takes more ships to gank
Urgg Boolean wrote: But with two or three Rokhs and my poor man's command ship (Drake), we do okay.
Good point, forgot about using battlecruiser link ships. I used them before I was able to fly the orca or other command ships. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
97
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:47:00 -
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Sycho Pathic wrote:You'll never be totally safe but you can improve your odds.
- Avoid the belts. (Grav sites)
- DSCAN is your friend.
- Local is too.
- Align for warp-out. (Either station or safe spot)
- Tank (Mostly laughable but every little bit helps)
- Be alert.
Another approach would be to hit the belts in a Bantam or rookie ship. Deny them the satisfaction of a barge or exhumer kill.
Also, don't mine in a Hulk...no one every suspects the Rokh! |
El Sergio YBrava
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:49:00 -
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my advice, forget mining, seriously, there are a lot of easier and safer ways to make isk than mining in high sec:
if you have a group ----> Incursions if you are alone/casual ---->L4 (best if you have an alt for salvaging) if you are the carebear ----> low/null sec anomalies in a remote system (see dotlan), cloak/dock whenever you are not alone or with only blues in system
thats the facts, and for all nullsec guys screaming the whole time that all the carebears are in Highsec --->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct33UUhS_xg&feature=youtu.be
if you want to have some fun do exploring :)
Edit: sorry but all this advice how to mine safe is BS because if you follow that its more time-intensive than nullsec, the risk is still without any relation and if you warp out whenever a trasher occurs on d-scan will ruin your income rate....don't do mining...I did that mistake for a long time and was wondering why everybody is richer than me |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
157
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:52:00 -
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In short, no there is no option.
The Hulk Mines. It doesn't anti-PvP and it sure as hell doesn't PvP. |
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