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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
398
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:59:00 -
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I'm mining right now.
I'm not even slightly worried :) |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:03:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:I'm mining right now.
I'm not even slightly worried :) You are such a glorious creature. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
305
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:07:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
why dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...
hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:08:00 -
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[quote=MeBiatchwhy dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...
hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game...[/quote] Yep. There are many null sec corps that love highsec miners.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:08:00 -
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Mine in a Battleship with Expanded Cargo, MinerIIs and anchored containers. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
305
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:11:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:[quote=MeBiatchwhy dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...
hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game... Yep. There are many null sec corps that love highsec miners. [/quote]
before drone regions were introduced... yes... you had to have minners to get ships...
methinks that this will become a reality soon after you guys reprocess all the crap you collected over the years and find out that tech does not make ships...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
SpaceSquirrels
276
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:12:00 -
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You seriously dont think 10-20 players in thrashers should be able to gank you...or a single person when their organized and have numerical superiority?...
Uh what?
Ok one catalyst taking down a fully tanked hulk... Kinda BS... But a group of people or say bigger ships. Or say more ships... Ok in my book. Where is this sense of "i'm not allowed to be killed!" come from?
Also maybe move outta high sense you can't preempt them... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
305
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:16:00 -
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i say nerf hulks so they can only use jump drives and cant go threw gates... make them the size of a cap ship...
that way you wont have peeps complaining that thier hulks are dying in high sec PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
stoicfaux
990
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:29:00 -
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SpaceSquirrels wrote:You seriously dont think 10-20 players in thrashers should be able to gank you...or a single person when their organized and have numerical superiority?...
Uh what?
Ok one catalyst taking down a fully tanked hulk... Kinda BS... But a group of people or say bigger ships. Or say more ships... Ok in my book. Where is this sense of "i'm not allowed to be killed!" come from?
Also maybe move outta high sense you can't preempt them... Getting ganked by 10-20 players thrashers isn't the problem. The problem lies with those same 10-20 players repeatedly ganking targets without any meaningful repercussions.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:39:00 -
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Dyner wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. I recall that being a bannable offense.
Nope. Manipulating Concord is only a bannable offense when PVPers do it. When the AFK Miner Bots do it, it's "smart tactics."
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:41:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:SpaceSquirrels wrote:You seriously dont think 10-20 players in thrashers should be able to gank you...or a single person when their organized and have numerical superiority?...
Uh what?
Ok one catalyst taking down a fully tanked hulk... Kinda BS... But a group of people or say bigger ships. Or say more ships... Ok in my book. Where is this sense of "i'm not allowed to be killed!" come from?
Also maybe move outta high sense you can't preempt them... Getting ganked by 10-20 players thrashers isn't the problem. The problem lies with those same 10-20 players repeatedly ganking targets without any meaningful repercussions.
They lost their ships, they lost sec status. What more do you want? Auto porting them to Nullsec and temporarily banning them from Highsec? Make people who have lost a ship recently be immune to targeting for an hour or two?
It's a Sandbox, they're taking their fair punishment for their actions. Working as intended, kiddo! :) |
c4 t
Push Pharmaceuticals Push Interstellar Network
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:42:00 -
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Use covetors you got damn crazies |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
272
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:42:00 -
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I'm selling cheap hulks in Rens far below market prices if you ever need one should such a spontaneous combustion occur. |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
49
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:47:00 -
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1) Don't mine in belts. Use asteroids missions and/or gravimetric sites. Dock when probes appear on D-scan 2) Only mine what you need for your industry, fill your extra time with missions or whatever 3) Remember that you're at the bottom of the food chain but on the top of the industry chain. If all miners don't sell minerals during one month the game will crush. 4) Try something different than mining. You could discover new interests.
Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.
Bring justice to EVE:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333 |
RedLion
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:51:00 -
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It's way to easy to gank a hulk. (or any other exhumers). It should ofc be possible, but it should probably take some more effort.
Let me elaborate: 1. Hulks are almost same size as battlecruisers (volume, visual, etc). they should have a tank similar to this. Surely design engineers of the future are not terrible.
2. Gameplay it would also be good to have better tanks on them. It's way to easy to gank a hulk (which is the best exhumer). I think buffed tank would also make carebears use these in lowsec / 0.0 more. (This could also be solved by introducing mining vessel only usable in lowsec/nullsec.) If buff to EHP is given, then maybe change module so your ship has to stop in order to activate mining lazers. (No aligning out).
Also,
Show me any hulk that can tank 10 thrashers. |
Vio Geraci
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:54:00 -
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Have you considered leaving high-sec? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:57:00 -
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Vio Geraci wrote:Have you considered leaving high-sec?
I for one would welcome these erstwhile miners in Merch Industrial. Come find where the real minerals are hiding. Contract a recruiting agent today! |
Artur Paendrag Tanreall
Chaotic Makers Legion of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:59:00 -
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RedLion wrote:It's way to easy to gank a hulk. (or any other exhumers). It should ofc be possible, but it should probably take some more effort.
Let me elaborate: 1. Hulks are almost same size as battlecruisers (volume, visual, etc). they should have a tank similar to this. Surely design engineers of the future are not terrible.
2. Gameplay it would also be good to have better tanks on them. It's way to easy to gank a hulk (which is the best exhumer). I think buffed tank would also make carebears use these in lowsec / 0.0 more. (This could also be solved by introducing mining vessel only usable in lowsec/nullsec.) If buff to EHP is given, then maybe change module so your ship has to stop in order to activate mining lazers. (No aligning out).
Also,
Show me any hulk that can tank 10 thrashers.
Somalian pirates "gank" ships in the indian ocean with skiffs and lots of navy ships from all around the countries can't stop them. Do you think in the future it will be different?
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:09:00 -
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RedLion wrote:It's way to easy to gank a hulk. (or any other exhumers). It should ofc be possible, but it should probably take some more effort.
Let me elaborate: 1. Hulks are almost same size as battlecruisers (volume, visual, etc). they should have a tank similar to this. Surely design engineers of the future are not terrible.
2. Gameplay it would also be good to have better tanks on them. It's way to easy to gank a hulk (which is the best exhumer). I think buffed tank would also make carebears use these in lowsec / 0.0 more. (This could also be solved by introducing mining vessel only usable in lowsec/nullsec.) If buff to EHP is given, then maybe change module so your ship has to stop in order to activate mining lazers. (No aligning out).
Also,
Show me any hulk that can tank 10 thrashers.
Well if you want an in-game reason for the weaker tank, just look at the 8000m3 cargobay. That's gonna create some structural issues. Gameplay wise I think you're on to something. Having some sort of nullsec mining ship that has to "deploy" in exchange for substantially increased yield, but can't just autodock if a non-blue enters local would be an interesting way to force conflict.
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Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
18
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:09:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:methinks that this will become a reality soon after you guys reprocess all the crap you collected over the years and find out that tech does not make ships...
Sure it does. Tech makes ships in the same way that you can grow cars in a wheat field. It works like this: you harvest the wheat, put it on a boat, send it to Japan, and then the boat comes back with cars. |
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:19:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
no... of course not, youre totally safe
ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) vroom vroom motorcycle |
Geoscape
23
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:21:00 -
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If you insist on mining in highsec consider mining in one of those highsec pockets surrounded by lowsec systems. Many of them are rarely visited, let alone by gankers looking for miners.
Mine to your hearts content, compress to t1 items, take it to your favorite market hub with a blockade runner or jump freighter once a week.
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TWHC Assistant
39
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:24:00 -
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Stop bothering about Hulkageddon, start profiting from it. Buy minerals before Hulkageddon, dock your mining ship for 4 weeks, wait until it is over and then sell your minerals with a profit. Run missions to get a standing above 6.67 with a few corps. Live happily ever after. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:27:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Stop bothering about Hulkageddon, start profiting from it. Buy minerals before Hulkageddon, dock your mining ship for 4 weeks, wait until it is over and then sell your minerals with a profit. Run missions to get a standing above 6.67 with a few corps. Live happily ever after.
That's fine for those just in the money. But what about those poor souls who actually enjoy mining?
Personally I'd just make a game out of it. Tank the crap out of your Hulk, try and get them to overkill you as much as possible. The more money they spend, the more you win!
If you're a dedicated miner you can afford to throw some money away, just like the gankers do. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1706
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:28:00 -
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1: You might consider that 10 Thrashers would take down most ships in game, including combat ships outfitted specifically to fight at their most effective level. Why should a strictly non-combat ship fare better?
2: If you tank your Hulk and survive a gank attempt by a few Thrashers (which is entirely possible) why would you stupidly stay in that belt mining when they come back with enough to do the job?
3: Every other player in the game has to make decisions on what to fly (and how to fit) depending on the prevailing conditions where they will be operating. Most people prefer flying small, fast ships in combat... but if they will be up against a fleet where that will be pointless they fly what is appropriate. Why would miners be any different?
4: Every other player in game uses D Scan, Intel channels, standings, etc. to safeguard their activities. You have the same tool set as everyone else, why don't you use them?
5: Is it that you don't understand why you need to fly a non-combat ship cautiously in a hostile environment... or is it that you lack the personal skills (or perhaps desire) to do so?
6: Why should the rules be different for you? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:29:00 -
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Oops doublepost. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
116
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:31:00 -
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Dyner wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Dyner wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. I recall that being a bannable offense. Drawing Concord? Not anymore than drawing Concord away from a belt. One could say the same for abandoned drones and concord, and CCP all ready said what it was :P Best to chill in you CQ watching **** flicks
Care to link anything regarding your incorrect assumptions?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
306
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:32:00 -
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^ obvious troll... no one enjoys mining...
just like no one should enjoy getting a prostate exam... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Etil DeLaFuente
New Eclipse Initiative Mercenaries
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:33:00 -
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Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online ! |
stoicfaux
991
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:36:00 -
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Xython wrote: They lost their ships, they lost sec status. What more do you want? Auto porting them to Nullsec and temporarily banning them from Highsec? Make people who have lost a ship recently be immune to targeting for an hour or two?
It's a Sandbox, they're taking their fair punishment for their actions. Working as intended, kiddo! :)
Heh, nice, but no. They need to be kill on sight by anyone (NPCs and players) for months in high-sec by the faction they committed the crime in. Meaning, if you ganked in Jita, then all the sentry guns and faction police in Caldari space should engage a criminal automatically and "deputized" players should be able to attack the criminal at will.
It's not much of a sandbox when the victims have to rely on CCP's aggression mechanics for protection and/or to mete out justice. I would be more impressed if high-sec residents could spend isk to upgrade their systems (e.g. have police patrol the belts, add more sentry guns, decide at what sec status a sentry gun fires, etc..) The current (arbitrary) mechanics instill a victim mentality instead of enabling the community members to be proactive in their defense.
And it's not working as intended, hence Crimewatch: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84723
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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