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Steijn
Quay Industries
45
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:36:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I'm selling cheap hulks in Rens far below market prices if you ever need one should such a spontaneous combustion occur.
Ive not even looked at this but i can guarantee that if i search for your contract i'll find everything in it fitting wise etc. apart from the actual Hulk......or are you getting soft in your old age? |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:38:00 -
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Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online !
Then it shouldn't have mining in it, yet it does! How odd. Its certainly one of the games less appealing features, and yet people are drawn to it all the same. There might even be more dedicated miners than there are pvpers. Scary, eh? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
496
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:39:00 -
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Don't worry, CCP Greyscale will remove all of the PVP from highsec for you soon enough. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
159
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:39:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Try just doing something else for awhile. Mining is boring anyway; you don't really want to do it do you?
Ahem.. right, so you've run into the cost vs. profit situation where the Hulk costs more than is reasonable with a high potential of losing it? Of course you have. At 275 million ISK for such a vehicle, how could you not?
Possible solutions, aside from doing something else or fleet warping a ganksquad on the gankers:
Fly a Covetor. Much less expensive, and you can fit it to tank half decently, plus you are no longer such a juicy target for the gankers trying to max. out Hulk kills for 100 Million ISK per 10 kills on top of loot.
Actually, aside from flying a Retriever, Mackinaw, or Battleship, that is probably your best option. You stand to lose a lot less, and finding alternative places to mine in quiet areas with your fleet of similarly fit and flying friends makes you a lot less juicy of a target.
With a larger fleet, you collectively mine more per hour, have potentially got Orca assistance, become one of a number, and each loss is less when compared to the whole. In fact, you can even prepare fleets to protect you from gankers and get in on the kills with Concord when they do come.
Sure, they might get one or two ships here and there, but with not only Concord, but your own friends fit and ready to take them on, you stand a better chance of reducing risk even more.
Do you think someone is going to suicide 20 Thrashers or a Tornado for a Covetor Hull? Anything else gives your fleet time to prevent it.
Also, you might want to think of not fitting rediculously expensive modules that might make the kill worthwhile, and at least try to make sure every ship in fleet that is mining is virtually indistinguishable from every other ship mining in fleet as far as that goes. Without any juicy targets they are likely to move on unless they figure they can get the whole lot of you at once. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
98
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:40:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Care to link anything regarding your incorrect assumptions?
About intentionally spawning CONCORD? I said "I recall", I never said it was fact . And with the rate CCP changes what's "allowed" and what's an "exploit" I still wouldn't take the chance. Better to just find something else to do. |
Etil DeLaFuente
New Eclipse Initiative Mercenaries
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:44:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online ! Then it shouldn't have mining in it, yet it does! How odd. Its certainly one of the games less appealing features, and yet people are drawn to it all the same. There might even be more dedicated miners than there are pvpers. Scary, eh?
Then all these miners should try to learn a thing or two about pvp and stop crying about getting ganked, it's getting pathetic. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:46:00 -
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Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Takseen wrote:Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online ! Then it shouldn't have mining in it, yet it does! How odd. Its certainly one of the games less appealing features, and yet people are drawn to it all the same. There might even be more dedicated miners than there are pvpers. Scary, eh? Then all these miners should try to learn a thing or two about pvp and stop crying about getting ganked, it's getting pathetic.
If they did, you wouldn't have nearly as much fun ganking them, would ya? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1706
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:47:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Takseen wrote:Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online ! Then it shouldn't have mining in it, yet it does! How odd. Its certainly one of the games less appealing features, and yet people are drawn to it all the same. There might even be more dedicated miners than there are pvpers. Scary, eh? Then all these miners should try to learn a thing or two about pvp and stop crying about getting ganked, it's getting pathetic. If they did, you wouldn't have nearly as much fun ganking them, would ya?
Actually, it would probably be more fun for everyone concerned. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Rikanin
Azerick Holdings The Paganism Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:47:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Noofels wrote:Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? No, but you can whine to CCP until they just give you, free, more EHP <3 It is a very attractive option, you can do it WHILE you mine (yes, maintaining isk/hour) and if enough of you do it, you all benefit!
Say the goons who just weeks ago whined and cried their black little hearts out about something THEY thought was unfair. And now you're back to trolling over the very thing you yourselves did en mass...crying foul. Biggest bunch of hypocrites in the game. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
399
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:51:00 -
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Here's the thing:
I've been doing this for years now. It's been well publicized over and over, I announce the event far in advance through every medium I can find...
...and two days later there is still 800 people dead.
I really can't think of any excuses other than pilot error at this point.
PEBCAC. |
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Oregin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:51:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
You need to start thinking like a PVPer rather than mining the way most people do.
When you play to PVP you weigh up the risk of loss before you undock. You don't always fly the ship that's 'best' but the one that you're willing to lose. Same goes for mining, if you can't afford to lose a hulk then fly something smaller. Yes you will reduce your yield but there is nothing to say that you ought to be able to have maximum returns without increased risk.
Along with that, fly smart. Use your d-scan set to a short range and be ready to warp when you spot anything gawky heading into your scan range (e.g. dessies, tornados etc). When you PVP in low sec/nul sec d-scan is your primary intel tool and needs to be clicked every few seconds most of the time.
To compliment the d-scan, be aligned (at 3/4 speed at least would almost guarantee survival). As soon as you see incoming, warp out. Being at speed makes the mining a bit of a logistical nightmare but if you can find yourself two celestials which allow you to fly near to the roids back and forth then life will be easier.
Ultimately you're right. There is no way to avoid ganking if you mine like most people do. But if you're alert and fly smart, you still have nothing to worry about. You get out what you put in ultimately.
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DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:52:00 -
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Hrmmm.. dont fly hulk? Just get in a damn retriever if you really must mine during the event.. or maybe a BS with 8 turret slots? Have someone in fleet boosting max shield bonuses? Go to lo sec and have some of you pvp minded friends sit with you killing everything that enters your belt or better yet the gate? Or maybe... go do something else entirely |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1706
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:52:00 -
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Rikanin wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Noofels wrote:Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? No, but you can whine to CCP until they just give you, free, more EHP <3 It is a very attractive option, you can do it WHILE you mine (yes, maintaining isk/hour) and if enough of you do it, you all benefit! Say the goons who just weeks ago whined and cried their black little hearts out about something THEY thought was unfair. And now you're back to trolling over the very thing you yourselves did en mass...crying foul. Biggest bunch of hypocrites in the game.
So in your mind complaining about minor issues in game mechanics is on the same level as complaining about a persons real name and life being affected unjustly.
Hypocrisy, I do not think this word means what you think it means. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1107
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:04:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season! I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
You now market go and 2 billion isk Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field buy. Then you it fit together with 165m Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier and 500m Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster. Pro fit complete with 2xMedium Cargohold Optimization II 200m/each and can you not be ganked!!1
This you will alive keep info!
Get |
Landrae
Sinners Among Saints Tus Network
316
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:05:00 -
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Fixed that for you
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1298
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:05:00 -
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One option during Hulkageddon is to head out to low sec where it's safer: fewer people around means you have local chat as a perfect intel tool. Someone appears in local, dock at the station.
Another option is to mine grav sites (which tend to be more profitable anyway). Just keep D-scan open and look for probes. You'll need to mash it though, since probes only have to be in space for 5 seconds to find you. D-scan has a cycle limit of once every two seconds.
Another option is to trade in minerals. Buy low, sell very high. The time you spend mining can be spent trading instead, for massive profits.
Of course, there is the "Summer of Rage" option: unsubscribe your account for May and let CCP know that you resent being a sitting duck in a paper bag. This will be a form of Darwinian selection though, since the people who quit for this reason are very unlikely to come back. Thus we'll have fewer people whining about Hulkageddon.
A valid reason to buff the Hulk is that its power grid and CPU aren't comparable with ships of similar size. An invalid reason to buff the Hulk is that it's the target of Hulkageddon. A valid complaint about mining ships is that MLUs penalise the CPU, while no other purpose-enhancing module penalises the CPU of the host ship (mag stabs, gyrostabs, tracking enhancers, etc). In those cases, I'd prefer to see combat ships suffer CPU penalties for using purpose-enhancing modules.
In the meantime, Hulkageddon is on. Fly carefully, or find alternative options for your play time.
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Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:17:00 -
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Vio Geraci wrote:Have you considered leaving high-sec?
Low and NULL's appeal is such that most laugh at the mere thought.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
674
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:19:00 -
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1) Stop mining. 2) Play GW2 beta. 3) Be annoyed they don't release it tomorrow. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
365
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:24:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Ugh...the usual carebear whine.
I can haz ur stuffs?
In irae, veritas. |
Amber Solaire
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:28:00 -
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CCP have really screwed up this time
For the next month (or more), nobody will want to mine
Nevermind mining in nullsec, this will lead to fewer Hisec miners, hence screw up the total Eve economy
For all you Low/Null sec miners: enjoy finding trit so easily in Empire, without mining it yourself
Less Hisec Miners=even less low/nullsec miners (by making mining suicidal, it may well lead to the death of Eve) |
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Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
1
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:37:00 -
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Eventually we will have T3 mining vessels which you can swap out modules for better resists and uber shields, so you can mine less efficiently but with greater security during hulkageddons of the future.
Unfortunately, gankers will have T3 destroyers capable of using the super-dooper alpha-nuke modules which pose a greater pop at lower cost than anything available today.
Until then, I'll just hop into a shield-tanked battleship when I feel the need to milk space rocks while threatened. |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
245
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:46:00 -
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NPCs build better ships and modules.
No one wants your player created abominations anyway. Go play wow.
Or something
Seriously though, until 100% of people stop building things (will never ever in your wildest dreams come true), there is no point doing anything here but watch tears flow.
Would wish you good luck, but this is seriously part (in its current incarnation) of the game that needs to just be purged from the code.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
24
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:49:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Learn to align, learn to tank, learn to orca fleet mine, learn to mine in empty non-popular systems? Learn another profession? learn to play eve? Make friends, move to null and mine there? rent a system? Move to 1.0 rookie systems and mine? Learn to PVP? Learn to PVE? learn to Explore? Learn to market, learn to research, learn to manufacture?
The only person stopping you from playing is YOURSELF.
I have to second this. In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
24
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:53:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Here's the thing:
I've been doing this for years now. It's been well publicized over and over, I announce the event far in advance through every medium I can find...
...and two days later there is still 800 people dead.
I really can't think of any excuses other than pilot error at this point.
PEBCAC.
It's called head in the sand disease. If it is not caught soon enough it is terminal. Hulkageddon is a fantastic way to detect early onset of this disease.
It won't happen to me! <---- first sign of the onset of head in sand disease.
*pop* WTF happened? Whine Whine CCP make em stop hurting me or i'll cancel all my umpteen million accounts and all my friends will and you will go bankrupt!!!! <----- Terminal sufferer from disease.
~Z
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2983
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:38:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct? "i should be able to make myself invulnerable no matter what my enemies do. i am a scared little child, hold me" |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
75
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:12:00 -
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Brick-Fit Mining Rohk's Of course with gang boosters sitting near the station I Endorse this Product and/or Service [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580[/url] |
Marcus Caspius
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
18
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:18:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Noofels wrote:They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me. Move to low-/null-sec, problem solved.
Exactly - there is this major misconception that High Sec is safe. NOT TRUE - you just have better baby sitters.
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Aggressive Nutmeg
221
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:39:00 -
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Mine in mission/scannable sites.
You can still be scanned down, but most suicide gankers are unskilled and lazy. Most won't bother. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:43:00 -
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Noofels wrote:There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. You mean other than watching local, forming an intel channel, making yourself take more effort than the lower hanging fruit by mining in missions, paying attention to that suspicious frigate driving trial alt near you that obviously isn't there to mine, joining an alliance and mining big boy ore in 0.0, and at least a dozen other things. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
656
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:49:00 -
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Noofels wrote:There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. I mine in hisec system where I'm normally the only person in local.
I have a rule: if the number of people in local is greater than the number of asteroid belts, move to another system. |
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