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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:22:00 -
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OP: NEWSFLASH most hisec hulk gankers are pirates flying in from lowsec, are flashy, and you can shoot them.
bring some frigate friends. |
Shade Severii
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:25:00 -
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mine in low populated areas....dscan......if there are thrashers in your system warp
dont go afk |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2988
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:28:00 -
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Shade Severii wrote:mine in low populated areas....dscan......if there are thrashers in your system warp
dont go afk all of this doesn't help our "i wish to mine in perfect safety, protected from any amount of gankers, while i am in the other room"
i'd say they're botters but even bots can manage to Not Die |
The Legendary Soldier
Hybrid Death
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:32:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
It's a riddle...
... the only way to win is not to play...
If I was a miner I would just suspend my account for the duration of hulkageddon... |
D3F4ULT
51
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:33:00 -
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don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Welcome to EVE and the reality that High sec is less safe than null/lowsec.
Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:36:00 -
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Noofels wrote:I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Don't know why this sort of thread keeps popping up in the forums.
First of all, ANY kind of ships can be "ganked" especially subcaps and more especially those which is not a pvp-buffer-tanked-combat-ship in which Hulks and other industrial ships are not and should never be one of them.
Second, unless you've seen an ore truck somewhere that has a titanium plating that can withstand a shot from an RPG without resulting on a hole as big as Kansas, i fail to see any logic on your "request". Your hulk is a mining ship, an industrial role ship. It is not designed to have the ability to withstand alphastrikes, you know that as well as i do. I find it weird that people keeps complaining about this, perhaps this should be made clear.
Hulk
is NOT
a
combat
ship.
stop complaining about their tanks, if you want your prius to be able to withstand shots from grenades and machine guns, do it yourselves, don't complain to the manufacturer.
Third, instead of complaining about something that is 'working as intended', learn to prealign, watch dscan, scout, fleet up, move to nullsec, stop afkmining (seriously, if you're doing this, then you deserve it). There are lots of 'solutions' to your 'issues', learn to play the game for once.
Don't get me wrong, i don't hate miners, Eve needs them (in a sense), and it's a valid gameplay, but this sort of complaint is ridiculous imo.
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Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:41:00 -
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Tillin Sylph wrote:Stop playing EVE.
We need a rule to block the simple minded from posting in forums. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:48:00 -
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There are systems I've seen that have no players in for hours. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2989
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:53:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Welcome to EVE and the reality that High sec is less safe than null/lowsec.
"i can get killed in highsec it is so dangerous much more than anywhere else" - bleeting swine who are terrified at the idea of leaving highsec |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
493
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:56:00 -
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average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... I have more space likes than you.-á |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1344
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:06:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:An interesting way to fix this that i just came up with would be for a mining fleet (including the combat defense ships) to be flagged for open combat. Meaning that while the op is going on, anyone can shoot them, and they can shoot anyone else. That way your combat pilots could actually defend you, and you wouldn't have to go running to CCP every time some big, bad bear comes and blows your defenseless ship up.
Basically running a mining op would be like being wardecced to the whole galaxy, only it wouldn't be announced and would only last as long as there were mining ships actually mining and an orca providing bonuses.
I think you should repost this in the Features and Ideas forum. Seriously.
It has some merit and is worth a discussion of it's own, in my opinion.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Lord Grantham
Downton Endeavours New Eden Research.
13
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:15:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer.....
Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer? |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
98
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:37:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:There are systems I've seen that have no players in for hours.
This x 100000000
You know, you don't have to mine within 3 jumps of a trade hub. Make a little effort please. Find a nice quiet dead-end 0.5 system and mine for hours on end. If someone should happen to pop into local, dock up if you are worried. |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard IMPERIAL LEGI0N
148
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:25:00 -
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Lord Grantham wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer?
The problem is how you get into EVE in the beginning, no I am not participating in that "who's the carebear-discussion", and I don't see it as a problem but as you asked for the barrier, I will tell you what my barrier was (if you want or not)
It took me three attempts to get hooked up to EVE because I am a casual player, and I usual try to figure things out by myself before I ask for help. So I did not join a corp for the first six months in EVE...what happened and I am quite sure that happens to every noob who is not from the beginning in a corp.
1. yay your first cruiser after a week waiting for the skills, who wants to fly frigs, they suck, everybody has bigger ships 2. time to make some money, now I can do level 2 missions, mining is boring yay 3. hmmm this mission wants me to go to low sec....I heard stories it can't be so bad and I have a cruiser, I am not a noob anymore 4. hah he has only a frig....wait..... why can't I hit him and what happens with my cap 5. this bastard....he killed my shiny cruiser...I will have revenge I also have a frigate 6. WHY CAN"T I hit him....this is not FAIR 7. LOW/NULL sec is not fair....I have no chance...so I will not try it anymore...I will stay in highsec here at least I know how to not get killed (that was before suicide ganking got popular:)
a lot of new players get burned by low or null sec in the beginning because they lack the knowledge how pvp really works, the tutorials are only good for PVE.
just my zwei Pfennige, and who finds sarcasm can have it :)
EDIT: and for me it needed a good corp and boring griefers to leave highsec and I am not looking back, highsec sucks Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
284
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:37:00 -
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Lord Grantham wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer?
The 5 at the gatecamp. |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:39:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Lord Grantham wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer? The 5 at the gatecamp.
Gatecamps are just fiction made up by Hi-Sec Carebears to get CCP to ban all PVP. And your mission ship that you tried to take into 0.4 space thinking that it was just a step down from 0.5 space is now killmail gatecamp fiction too... funny that... |
Ira Infernus
Praetorium Illegitimus The.Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:45:00 -
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Mine in a battleship; So you might have to drop your cargo more frequently; just use an alt in a tanked ship with nice cargohold to take your rocks to a safespot and when you have enough, pick it up in a hauler... problem solved.
Stupid mining carebears, not a single brain cell about how to overcome a challenge. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
82
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:53:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:There are several options available for you during these times. It's just that the stay still and continue to mine AFK isn't one of the good ones. If you choose to continue to use the best mining vessel for the job, you have to bail out at the first sign of trouble. This means learning to use the intel tools available and allows higher profits at the expense of having to pay constant attention to your surroundings. You can also choose to use a less efficient ship for mining, but which offers great tanking potential. Any 8 Turret battleship should do just fine.
+1 for the mining Rokh |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:16:00 -
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ITT:
"I want my risk-free isk faucet to be even less risky and be just as much of a faucet" |
The Crushah
the unified Negative Ten.
21
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:14:00 -
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Duvida wrote:Miilla wrote:Lord Grantham wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer? The 5 at the gatecamp. Gatecamps are just fiction made up by Hi-Sec Carebears to get CCP to ban all PVP. And your mission ship that you tried to take into 0.4 space thinking that it was just a step down from 0.5 space is now killmail gatecamp fiction too... funny that...
Have you visited Rancer lately?
Mining in low sec is against my religion and the infidels must be purged from this existence.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:21:00 -
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Hench Tenet wrote:ITT:
"I want my risk-free isk faucet to be even less risky and be just as much of a faucet" Ah faucets. Ore faucets.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
286
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:45:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
fly a ******* covetor....
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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:44:00 -
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So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys?
I guess my point is, I don't mind hulk pilots being kills. Hell, I'm trying to convince my CEO to kill some hulks during Hulkageddon to cut into some of our competitors. However, I dislike the idea that we're somehow dirty, unclean, or unfit for the galaxy of New Eden.
Take (of course) Helicity Boson. She talks a nice talk, and even backs it up with a good walk, but does she really drink her own kool-aid? If she could snap her fingers and banish miners from the game in a heartbeat, would she? Would you?
We perform a needed function (moreso now with Escalation) yet many people seem to take it as a personal affront that miners actually *gasp* take a role of relevance in the game.
Where are the materials that are used to make the ships you fly going to come from?
Those asteroids won't mine themselves. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:53:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:58:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.
It's less a statement about Hulkageddon specifically, and more about the rabid hunters who seem to make it their mission in life to cleanse miners, whatever their stripe, from the game. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:00:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd. It's less a statement about Hulkageddon specifically, and more about the rabid hunters who seem to make it their mission in life to cleanse miners, whatever their stripe, from the game. Is there even a point to shooting Ospreys? Seems like a waste when there should be better stuff to shoot. Oh well. People expected others to shoot empty freighters for their own amusement as well, I guess I shouldn't be judging osprey shooters too harshly.
I suppose it's one of those self-selecting things. The miners that can deal with it don't feel the need to whine, but those that can't, do. And so it seems most of the miner-related threads have whining miners. Sort of unfair to the rest, but hey, they're smarter and presumably making isk rather than posts.
P.S. If you see an enemy miner eating your ore, quickly PM a goon. However, trying to help them by using your own mining ship to give a warp in might not be in your best interests ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Wilma Shakespear
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:03:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.
If you look at the one in Place one on here http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/
you will see even he does not kill many Hulks... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tappad
som much for that Event i would say its the wrong Name i would it call MINERGEDDON!!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:11:00 -
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Wilma Shakespear wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd. If you look at the one in Place one on here http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/you will see even he does not kill many Hulks... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tappadsom much for that Event i would say its the wrong Name i would it call MINERGEDDON!! I see a lot of macks. Huh. Some pods and thrashers too. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Sroasa
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:21:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:... find out that tech does not make ships...
Actually it does. Hulks for instance. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:24:00 -
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Sroasa wrote:MeBiatch wrote:... find out that tech does not make ships... Actually it does. Hulks for instance. A significant part of the cost of a Hulk is tech-related stuff, I think.
That's right, you miners are buying stuff (if indirectly) from the moon-miners (aka ATM machines) in nullsec Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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