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Noofels
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 18:59:00 -
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Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
308
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:01:00 -
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standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
235
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:02:00 -
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I typically just go play other games during Hulkageddon. It's CCP's "sandbox"...if they think this is good gameplay, they certainly are welcome to think so. Some folks seem to have a great time with Hulkageddon. |
Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:04:00 -
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Stop playing EVE. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
261
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:05:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk.
Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
268
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:05:00 -
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Learn to align, learn to tank, learn to orca fleet mine, learn to mine in empty non-popular systems? Learn another profession? learn to play eve? Make friends, move to null and mine there? rent a system? Move to 1.0 rookie systems and mine? Learn to PVP? Learn to PVE? learn to Explore? Learn to market, learn to research, learn to manufacture?
The only person stopping you from playing is YOURSELF. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:05:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? No, but you can whine to CCP until they just give you, free, more EHP <3
It is a very attractive option, you can do it WHILE you mine (yes, maintaining isk/hour) and if enough of you do it, you all benefit! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2327
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:06:00 -
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There are several options available for you during these times. It's just that the stay still and continue to mine AFK isn't one of the good ones. If you choose to continue to use the best mining vessel for the job, you have to bail out at the first sign of trouble. This means learning to use the intel tools available and allows higher profits at the expense of having to pay constant attention to your surroundings. You can also choose to use a less efficient ship for mining, but which offers great tanking potential. Any 8 Turret battleship should do just fine. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
116
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:06:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Wrong. It's possible to get ganked in highsec while mining, but if your doing it right, chances are the ganker will fail....or won't try due to your tank or defense. However if your lazy and afk, odds are good that you will die.
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
131
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:07:00 -
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Noofels wrote:They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me. Move to low-/null-sec, problem solved. +1 in local |
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FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:07:00 -
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If you really are that afraid to undock your hulk, just dont do it. Simple enough. Pvpers do that all the time. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
268
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:08:00 -
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I can sit in a station all day and have fun and make isk, why can't you? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
293
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:09:00 -
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An interesting way to fix this that i just came up with would be for a mining fleet (including the combat defense ships) to be flagged for open combat. Meaning that while the op is going on, anyone can shoot them, and they can shoot anyone else. That way your combat pilots could actually defend you, and you wouldn't have to go running to CCP every time some big, bad bear comes and blows your defenseless ship up.
Basically running a mining op would be like being wardecced to the whole galaxy, only it wouldn't be announced and would only last as long as there were mining ships actually mining and an orca providing bonuses. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Rashino Zea
Universal Freelance
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:10:00 -
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Lawyer up, hit the gym, delete facebook. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
798
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:11:00 -
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Son, any ship can get ganked anywhere it flies, anytime.
It's kind of the point of a pvp internet spaceships game. Here's your sign... |
Angel Lust
Vikinghall
48
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:13:00 -
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Just stop playing EVE until hulkageddon is over.
You cant defend yourself... why risk a 400m hulk ?
Just saying.... |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
97
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:14:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings.
I recall that being a bannable offense.
---
Though, I don't know why miners don't stock up on minerals during the "Mining Season" and then sell said minerals for a much greater profit during the Trials and Tribulations (aka Hulkaggeddon).
Or be there to scavenge when the gankers and victims go *boom*. Just get a cheap-fit indy ship with nanos (fast align) to get in and get the goods and warp out before their neutrals show up. |
XIRUSPHERE
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
268
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:15:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk.
Add learn to set bookmarks and stayed aligned to that list, it offers near 100% safety if you actually bother to pay attention. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
75
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:17:00 -
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Why not move out of high sec? It's pretty obvious who is trying to kill you in low / null sec, in high sec it's pretty impossible to tell who is trying to kill you. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
116
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:24:00 -
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Dyner wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. I recall that being a bannable offense.
Drawing Concord? Not anymore than drawing Concord away from a belt.
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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Prince Kobol
569
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:30:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Stop tying out of your arse.
I have mined during the last 3 hulkageddons and have lost zero hulks.
In fact I have never lost one mining ship to a gank across 4 accounts.
Why, because I actually fit a decent tank, scout the systems I want to mine in and use fecking D-Scan...
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stoicfaux
990
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:30:00 -
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On one hand, by design the gankers are given the initiative and have a bearable penalty imposed on them, thus making ganking practical and "easy" in high-sec.
On the other hand, you're making mostly-afk isk so there's not a lot of sympathy to create a situation where a Hulk can run with two mining/cargo mods, two Cargohold II rigs, and no tank without any worry.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
97
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:32:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Dyner wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. I recall that being a bannable offense. Drawing Concord? Not anymore than drawing Concord away from a belt.
One could say the same for abandoned drones and concord, and CCP all ready said what it was :P
Best to chill in you CQ watching **** flicks |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:35:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Stop tying out of your arse.
I have mined during the last 3 hulkageddons and have lost zero hulks.
In fact I have never lost one mining ship to a gank across 4 accounts.
Why, because I actually fit a decent tank, scout the systems I want to mine in and use fecking D-Scan... Good miner, you're not doing it while being pretty much afk. That doesn't count!
stoicfaux wrote:On the other hand, you're making mostly-afk isk so there's not a lot of sympathy to create a situation where a Hulk can run with two mining/cargo mods, two Cargohold II rigs, and no tank without any worry. You know, we were contemplating doing that. Well, a minimal tank because of battleship rats. Just in case. Might not need cargohold rigs though, it doesn't increase your yield... maybe just tech 1 rigs?
People here don't have to kill us nigh instantly before CONCORD gets them. In fact, once they get the point on, it's all over ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:37:00 -
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You'll never be totally safe but you can improve your odds.
- Avoid the belts. (Grav sites)
- DSCAN is your friend.
- Local is too.
- Align for warp-out. (Either station or safe spot)
- Tank (Mostly laughable but every little bit helps)
- Be alert.
Another approach would be to hit the belts in a Bantam or rookie ship. Deny them the satisfaction of a barge or exhumer kill.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:47:00 -
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Read this thread.
As you state: nothing can stop a determined ganker. If you build a decent tank, they will just bring more/bigger/badder.
In that post linked above, you will find my suggested fits for a Drake/Rokh mining fleet, along with many excellent fits for tanky Hulks. My corp and close friends have been running mining ops using the Drake/Rokhs fleet set up. Yield is way less than in a Orca/Hulk fleet, but we have not been messed with so far. Not to say we are safe, cuz we ain't. But with two or three Rokhs and my poor man's command ship (Drake), we do okay.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
142
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:47:00 -
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- Insured covetors
-Less loss if ganked, well you lose a little isk in yield -use non ore mining ship -not worth the points if I remember the hulkageddon rules
- Tank
-More tank is less yield, but more to kill -Orca combine with shield resist booster
- Mine off the main highsecs
-ie the augnais area, places many jumps from the hubs. So you stockpile and fly a bit further to sell, or change where you sell -subfactions such as khanid, and the like -should do this anyway. less competition for the good ores, and typically more profit on the sales to the border inhabitants even undercutting
- mine in 0.7 and more
-faster concord response time, takes more ships to gank
Urgg Boolean wrote: But with two or three Rokhs and my poor man's command ship (Drake), we do okay.
Good point, forgot about using battlecruiser link ships. I used them before I was able to fly the orca or other command ships. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
97
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:47:00 -
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Sycho Pathic wrote:You'll never be totally safe but you can improve your odds.
- Avoid the belts. (Grav sites)
- DSCAN is your friend.
- Local is too.
- Align for warp-out. (Either station or safe spot)
- Tank (Mostly laughable but every little bit helps)
- Be alert.
Another approach would be to hit the belts in a Bantam or rookie ship. Deny them the satisfaction of a barge or exhumer kill.
Also, don't mine in a Hulk...no one every suspects the Rokh! |
El Sergio YBrava
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:49:00 -
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my advice, forget mining, seriously, there are a lot of easier and safer ways to make isk than mining in high sec:
if you have a group ----> Incursions if you are alone/casual ---->L4 (best if you have an alt for salvaging) if you are the carebear ----> low/null sec anomalies in a remote system (see dotlan), cloak/dock whenever you are not alone or with only blues in system
thats the facts, and for all nullsec guys screaming the whole time that all the carebears are in Highsec --->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct33UUhS_xg&feature=youtu.be
if you want to have some fun do exploring :)
Edit: sorry but all this advice how to mine safe is BS because if you follow that its more time-intensive than nullsec, the risk is still without any relation and if you warp out whenever a trasher occurs on d-scan will ruin your income rate....don't do mining...I did that mistake for a long time and was wondering why everybody is richer than me |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
157
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:52:00 -
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In short, no there is no option.
The Hulk Mines. It doesn't anti-PvP and it sure as hell doesn't PvP. |
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
398
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:59:00 -
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I'm mining right now.
I'm not even slightly worried :) |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:03:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:I'm mining right now.
I'm not even slightly worried :) You are such a glorious creature. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
305
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:07:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
why dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...
hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:08:00 -
[34] - Quote
[quote=MeBiatchwhy dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...
hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game...[/quote] Yep. There are many null sec corps that love highsec miners.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:08:00 -
[35] - Quote
Mine in a Battleship with Expanded Cargo, MinerIIs and anchored containers. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
305
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:11:00 -
[36] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:[quote=MeBiatchwhy dont you join a null sec corp... by far with local intel and other intel chans you have no excuse to loose a hulk...
hulkageddon is great for pushing cry babies out of high sec and into the real game... Yep. There are many null sec corps that love highsec miners. [/quote]
before drone regions were introduced... yes... you had to have minners to get ships...
methinks that this will become a reality soon after you guys reprocess all the crap you collected over the years and find out that tech does not make ships...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
SpaceSquirrels
276
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:12:00 -
[37] - Quote
You seriously dont think 10-20 players in thrashers should be able to gank you...or a single person when their organized and have numerical superiority?...
Uh what?
Ok one catalyst taking down a fully tanked hulk... Kinda BS... But a group of people or say bigger ships. Or say more ships... Ok in my book. Where is this sense of "i'm not allowed to be killed!" come from?
Also maybe move outta high sense you can't preempt them... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
305
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:16:00 -
[38] - Quote
i say nerf hulks so they can only use jump drives and cant go threw gates... make them the size of a cap ship...
that way you wont have peeps complaining that thier hulks are dying in high sec PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
stoicfaux
990
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:29:00 -
[39] - Quote
SpaceSquirrels wrote:You seriously dont think 10-20 players in thrashers should be able to gank you...or a single person when their organized and have numerical superiority?...
Uh what?
Ok one catalyst taking down a fully tanked hulk... Kinda BS... But a group of people or say bigger ships. Or say more ships... Ok in my book. Where is this sense of "i'm not allowed to be killed!" come from?
Also maybe move outta high sense you can't preempt them... Getting ganked by 10-20 players thrashers isn't the problem. The problem lies with those same 10-20 players repeatedly ganking targets without any meaningful repercussions.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:39:00 -
[40] - Quote
Dyner wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. I recall that being a bannable offense.
Nope. Manipulating Concord is only a bannable offense when PVPers do it. When the AFK Miner Bots do it, it's "smart tactics."
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:41:00 -
[41] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:SpaceSquirrels wrote:You seriously dont think 10-20 players in thrashers should be able to gank you...or a single person when their organized and have numerical superiority?...
Uh what?
Ok one catalyst taking down a fully tanked hulk... Kinda BS... But a group of people or say bigger ships. Or say more ships... Ok in my book. Where is this sense of "i'm not allowed to be killed!" come from?
Also maybe move outta high sense you can't preempt them... Getting ganked by 10-20 players thrashers isn't the problem. The problem lies with those same 10-20 players repeatedly ganking targets without any meaningful repercussions.
They lost their ships, they lost sec status. What more do you want? Auto porting them to Nullsec and temporarily banning them from Highsec? Make people who have lost a ship recently be immune to targeting for an hour or two?
It's a Sandbox, they're taking their fair punishment for their actions. Working as intended, kiddo! :) |
c4 t
Push Pharmaceuticals Push Interstellar Network
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:42:00 -
[42] - Quote
Use covetors you got damn crazies |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
272
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:42:00 -
[43] - Quote
I'm selling cheap hulks in Rens far below market prices if you ever need one should such a spontaneous combustion occur. |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
49
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:47:00 -
[44] - Quote
1) Don't mine in belts. Use asteroids missions and/or gravimetric sites. Dock when probes appear on D-scan 2) Only mine what you need for your industry, fill your extra time with missions or whatever 3) Remember that you're at the bottom of the food chain but on the top of the industry chain. If all miners don't sell minerals during one month the game will crush. 4) Try something different than mining. You could discover new interests.
Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.
Bring justice to EVE:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333 |
RedLion
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:51:00 -
[45] - Quote
It's way to easy to gank a hulk. (or any other exhumers). It should ofc be possible, but it should probably take some more effort.
Let me elaborate: 1. Hulks are almost same size as battlecruisers (volume, visual, etc). they should have a tank similar to this. Surely design engineers of the future are not terrible.
2. Gameplay it would also be good to have better tanks on them. It's way to easy to gank a hulk (which is the best exhumer). I think buffed tank would also make carebears use these in lowsec / 0.0 more. (This could also be solved by introducing mining vessel only usable in lowsec/nullsec.) If buff to EHP is given, then maybe change module so your ship has to stop in order to activate mining lazers. (No aligning out).
Also,
Show me any hulk that can tank 10 thrashers. |
Vio Geraci
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:54:00 -
[46] - Quote
Have you considered leaving high-sec? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:57:00 -
[47] - Quote
Vio Geraci wrote:Have you considered leaving high-sec?
I for one would welcome these erstwhile miners in Merch Industrial. Come find where the real minerals are hiding. Contract a recruiting agent today! |
Artur Paendrag Tanreall
Chaotic Makers Legion of xXDEATHXx
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:59:00 -
[48] - Quote
RedLion wrote:It's way to easy to gank a hulk. (or any other exhumers). It should ofc be possible, but it should probably take some more effort.
Let me elaborate: 1. Hulks are almost same size as battlecruisers (volume, visual, etc). they should have a tank similar to this. Surely design engineers of the future are not terrible.
2. Gameplay it would also be good to have better tanks on them. It's way to easy to gank a hulk (which is the best exhumer). I think buffed tank would also make carebears use these in lowsec / 0.0 more. (This could also be solved by introducing mining vessel only usable in lowsec/nullsec.) If buff to EHP is given, then maybe change module so your ship has to stop in order to activate mining lazers. (No aligning out).
Also,
Show me any hulk that can tank 10 thrashers.
Somalian pirates "gank" ships in the indian ocean with skiffs and lots of navy ships from all around the countries can't stop them. Do you think in the future it will be different?
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Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:09:00 -
[49] - Quote
RedLion wrote:It's way to easy to gank a hulk. (or any other exhumers). It should ofc be possible, but it should probably take some more effort.
Let me elaborate: 1. Hulks are almost same size as battlecruisers (volume, visual, etc). they should have a tank similar to this. Surely design engineers of the future are not terrible.
2. Gameplay it would also be good to have better tanks on them. It's way to easy to gank a hulk (which is the best exhumer). I think buffed tank would also make carebears use these in lowsec / 0.0 more. (This could also be solved by introducing mining vessel only usable in lowsec/nullsec.) If buff to EHP is given, then maybe change module so your ship has to stop in order to activate mining lazers. (No aligning out).
Also,
Show me any hulk that can tank 10 thrashers.
Well if you want an in-game reason for the weaker tank, just look at the 8000m3 cargobay. That's gonna create some structural issues. Gameplay wise I think you're on to something. Having some sort of nullsec mining ship that has to "deploy" in exchange for substantially increased yield, but can't just autodock if a non-blue enters local would be an interesting way to force conflict.
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Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
18
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:09:00 -
[50] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:methinks that this will become a reality soon after you guys reprocess all the crap you collected over the years and find out that tech does not make ships...
Sure it does. Tech makes ships in the same way that you can grow cars in a wheat field. It works like this: you harvest the wheat, put it on a boat, send it to Japan, and then the boat comes back with cars. |
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:19:00 -
[51] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
no... of course not, youre totally safe
ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) vroom vroom motorcycle |
Geoscape
23
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:21:00 -
[52] - Quote
If you insist on mining in highsec consider mining in one of those highsec pockets surrounded by lowsec systems. Many of them are rarely visited, let alone by gankers looking for miners.
Mine to your hearts content, compress to t1 items, take it to your favorite market hub with a blockade runner or jump freighter once a week.
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TWHC Assistant
39
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:24:00 -
[53] - Quote
Stop bothering about Hulkageddon, start profiting from it. Buy minerals before Hulkageddon, dock your mining ship for 4 weeks, wait until it is over and then sell your minerals with a profit. Run missions to get a standing above 6.67 with a few corps. Live happily ever after. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:27:00 -
[54] - Quote
TWHC Assistant wrote:Stop bothering about Hulkageddon, start profiting from it. Buy minerals before Hulkageddon, dock your mining ship for 4 weeks, wait until it is over and then sell your minerals with a profit. Run missions to get a standing above 6.67 with a few corps. Live happily ever after.
That's fine for those just in the money. But what about those poor souls who actually enjoy mining?
Personally I'd just make a game out of it. Tank the crap out of your Hulk, try and get them to overkill you as much as possible. The more money they spend, the more you win!
If you're a dedicated miner you can afford to throw some money away, just like the gankers do. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1706
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:28:00 -
[55] - Quote
1: You might consider that 10 Thrashers would take down most ships in game, including combat ships outfitted specifically to fight at their most effective level. Why should a strictly non-combat ship fare better?
2: If you tank your Hulk and survive a gank attempt by a few Thrashers (which is entirely possible) why would you stupidly stay in that belt mining when they come back with enough to do the job?
3: Every other player in the game has to make decisions on what to fly (and how to fit) depending on the prevailing conditions where they will be operating. Most people prefer flying small, fast ships in combat... but if they will be up against a fleet where that will be pointless they fly what is appropriate. Why would miners be any different?
4: Every other player in game uses D Scan, Intel channels, standings, etc. to safeguard their activities. You have the same tool set as everyone else, why don't you use them?
5: Is it that you don't understand why you need to fly a non-combat ship cautiously in a hostile environment... or is it that you lack the personal skills (or perhaps desire) to do so?
6: Why should the rules be different for you? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:29:00 -
[56] - Quote
Oops doublepost. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
116
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Dyner wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Dyner wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Also, hire mercs, start scouting, mine in groups, draw concord to the belt, EHP fittings. I recall that being a bannable offense. Drawing Concord? Not anymore than drawing Concord away from a belt. One could say the same for abandoned drones and concord, and CCP all ready said what it was :P Best to chill in you CQ watching **** flicks
Care to link anything regarding your incorrect assumptions?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
306
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
^ obvious troll... no one enjoys mining...
just like no one should enjoy getting a prostate exam... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Etil DeLaFuente
New Eclipse Initiative Mercenaries
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:33:00 -
[59] - Quote
Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online ! |
stoicfaux
991
|
Posted - 2012.04.30 21:36:00 -
[60] - Quote
Xython wrote: They lost their ships, they lost sec status. What more do you want? Auto porting them to Nullsec and temporarily banning them from Highsec? Make people who have lost a ship recently be immune to targeting for an hour or two?
It's a Sandbox, they're taking their fair punishment for their actions. Working as intended, kiddo! :)
Heh, nice, but no. They need to be kill on sight by anyone (NPCs and players) for months in high-sec by the faction they committed the crime in. Meaning, if you ganked in Jita, then all the sentry guns and faction police in Caldari space should engage a criminal automatically and "deputized" players should be able to attack the criminal at will.
It's not much of a sandbox when the victims have to rely on CCP's aggression mechanics for protection and/or to mete out justice. I would be more impressed if high-sec residents could spend isk to upgrade their systems (e.g. have police patrol the belts, add more sentry guns, decide at what sec status a sentry gun fires, etc..) The current (arbitrary) mechanics instill a victim mentality instead of enabling the community members to be proactive in their defense.
And it's not working as intended, hence Crimewatch: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=84723
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Steijn
Quay Industries
45
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
Miilla wrote:I'm selling cheap hulks in Rens far below market prices if you ever need one should such a spontaneous combustion occur.
Ive not even looked at this but i can guarantee that if i search for your contract i'll find everything in it fitting wise etc. apart from the actual Hulk......or are you getting soft in your old age? |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:38:00 -
[62] - Quote
Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online !
Then it shouldn't have mining in it, yet it does! How odd. Its certainly one of the games less appealing features, and yet people are drawn to it all the same. There might even be more dedicated miners than there are pvpers. Scary, eh? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
496
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:39:00 -
[63] - Quote
Don't worry, CCP Greyscale will remove all of the PVP from highsec for you soon enough. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
159
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:39:00 -
[64] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Try just doing something else for awhile. Mining is boring anyway; you don't really want to do it do you?
Ahem.. right, so you've run into the cost vs. profit situation where the Hulk costs more than is reasonable with a high potential of losing it? Of course you have. At 275 million ISK for such a vehicle, how could you not?
Possible solutions, aside from doing something else or fleet warping a ganksquad on the gankers:
Fly a Covetor. Much less expensive, and you can fit it to tank half decently, plus you are no longer such a juicy target for the gankers trying to max. out Hulk kills for 100 Million ISK per 10 kills on top of loot.
Actually, aside from flying a Retriever, Mackinaw, or Battleship, that is probably your best option. You stand to lose a lot less, and finding alternative places to mine in quiet areas with your fleet of similarly fit and flying friends makes you a lot less juicy of a target.
With a larger fleet, you collectively mine more per hour, have potentially got Orca assistance, become one of a number, and each loss is less when compared to the whole. In fact, you can even prepare fleets to protect you from gankers and get in on the kills with Concord when they do come.
Sure, they might get one or two ships here and there, but with not only Concord, but your own friends fit and ready to take them on, you stand a better chance of reducing risk even more.
Do you think someone is going to suicide 20 Thrashers or a Tornado for a Covetor Hull? Anything else gives your fleet time to prevent it.
Also, you might want to think of not fitting rediculously expensive modules that might make the kill worthwhile, and at least try to make sure every ship in fleet that is mining is virtually indistinguishable from every other ship mining in fleet as far as that goes. Without any juicy targets they are likely to move on unless they figure they can get the whole lot of you at once. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
98
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:40:00 -
[65] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Care to link anything regarding your incorrect assumptions?
About intentionally spawning CONCORD? I said "I recall", I never said it was fact . And with the rate CCP changes what's "allowed" and what's an "exploit" I still wouldn't take the chance. Better to just find something else to do. |
Etil DeLaFuente
New Eclipse Initiative Mercenaries
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:44:00 -
[66] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online ! Then it shouldn't have mining in it, yet it does! How odd. Its certainly one of the games less appealing features, and yet people are drawn to it all the same. There might even be more dedicated miners than there are pvpers. Scary, eh?
Then all these miners should try to learn a thing or two about pvp and stop crying about getting ganked, it's getting pathetic. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:46:00 -
[67] - Quote
Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Takseen wrote:Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online ! Then it shouldn't have mining in it, yet it does! How odd. Its certainly one of the games less appealing features, and yet people are drawn to it all the same. There might even be more dedicated miners than there are pvpers. Scary, eh? Then all these miners should try to learn a thing or two about pvp and stop crying about getting ganked, it's getting pathetic.
If they did, you wouldn't have nearly as much fun ganking them, would ya? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1706
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:47:00 -
[68] - Quote
Takseen wrote:Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Takseen wrote:Etil DeLaFuente wrote:Playing for 2 years (in an npc corp ofc) and still have no clues about not getting your ship blown up by other people ?
Eve is PvP Online, not mining online ! Then it shouldn't have mining in it, yet it does! How odd. Its certainly one of the games less appealing features, and yet people are drawn to it all the same. There might even be more dedicated miners than there are pvpers. Scary, eh? Then all these miners should try to learn a thing or two about pvp and stop crying about getting ganked, it's getting pathetic. If they did, you wouldn't have nearly as much fun ganking them, would ya?
Actually, it would probably be more fun for everyone concerned. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Rikanin
Azerick Holdings The Paganism Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Noofels wrote:Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? No, but you can whine to CCP until they just give you, free, more EHP <3 It is a very attractive option, you can do it WHILE you mine (yes, maintaining isk/hour) and if enough of you do it, you all benefit!
Say the goons who just weeks ago whined and cried their black little hearts out about something THEY thought was unfair. And now you're back to trolling over the very thing you yourselves did en mass...crying foul. Biggest bunch of hypocrites in the game. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
399
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:51:00 -
[70] - Quote
Here's the thing:
I've been doing this for years now. It's been well publicized over and over, I announce the event far in advance through every medium I can find...
...and two days later there is still 800 people dead.
I really can't think of any excuses other than pilot error at this point.
PEBCAC. |
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Oregin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:51:00 -
[71] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
You need to start thinking like a PVPer rather than mining the way most people do.
When you play to PVP you weigh up the risk of loss before you undock. You don't always fly the ship that's 'best' but the one that you're willing to lose. Same goes for mining, if you can't afford to lose a hulk then fly something smaller. Yes you will reduce your yield but there is nothing to say that you ought to be able to have maximum returns without increased risk.
Along with that, fly smart. Use your d-scan set to a short range and be ready to warp when you spot anything gawky heading into your scan range (e.g. dessies, tornados etc). When you PVP in low sec/nul sec d-scan is your primary intel tool and needs to be clicked every few seconds most of the time.
To compliment the d-scan, be aligned (at 3/4 speed at least would almost guarantee survival). As soon as you see incoming, warp out. Being at speed makes the mining a bit of a logistical nightmare but if you can find yourself two celestials which allow you to fly near to the roids back and forth then life will be easier.
Ultimately you're right. There is no way to avoid ganking if you mine like most people do. But if you're alert and fly smart, you still have nothing to worry about. You get out what you put in ultimately.
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DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
Hrmmm.. dont fly hulk? Just get in a damn retriever if you really must mine during the event.. or maybe a BS with 8 turret slots? Have someone in fleet boosting max shield bonuses? Go to lo sec and have some of you pvp minded friends sit with you killing everything that enters your belt or better yet the gate? Or maybe... go do something else entirely |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1706
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:52:00 -
[73] - Quote
Rikanin wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Noofels wrote:Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? No, but you can whine to CCP until they just give you, free, more EHP <3 It is a very attractive option, you can do it WHILE you mine (yes, maintaining isk/hour) and if enough of you do it, you all benefit! Say the goons who just weeks ago whined and cried their black little hearts out about something THEY thought was unfair. And now you're back to trolling over the very thing you yourselves did en mass...crying foul. Biggest bunch of hypocrites in the game.
So in your mind complaining about minor issues in game mechanics is on the same level as complaining about a persons real name and life being affected unjustly.
Hypocrisy, I do not think this word means what you think it means. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1107
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:04:00 -
[74] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season! I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
You now market go and 2 billion isk Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field buy. Then you it fit together with 165m Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier and 500m Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster. Pro fit complete with 2xMedium Cargohold Optimization II 200m/each and can you not be ganked!!1
This you will alive keep info!
Get |
Landrae
Sinners Among Saints Tus Network
316
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:05:00 -
[75] - Quote
Fixed that for you
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1298
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:05:00 -
[76] - Quote
One option during Hulkageddon is to head out to low sec where it's safer: fewer people around means you have local chat as a perfect intel tool. Someone appears in local, dock at the station.
Another option is to mine grav sites (which tend to be more profitable anyway). Just keep D-scan open and look for probes. You'll need to mash it though, since probes only have to be in space for 5 seconds to find you. D-scan has a cycle limit of once every two seconds.
Another option is to trade in minerals. Buy low, sell very high. The time you spend mining can be spent trading instead, for massive profits.
Of course, there is the "Summer of Rage" option: unsubscribe your account for May and let CCP know that you resent being a sitting duck in a paper bag. This will be a form of Darwinian selection though, since the people who quit for this reason are very unlikely to come back. Thus we'll have fewer people whining about Hulkageddon.
A valid reason to buff the Hulk is that its power grid and CPU aren't comparable with ships of similar size. An invalid reason to buff the Hulk is that it's the target of Hulkageddon. A valid complaint about mining ships is that MLUs penalise the CPU, while no other purpose-enhancing module penalises the CPU of the host ship (mag stabs, gyrostabs, tracking enhancers, etc). In those cases, I'd prefer to see combat ships suffer CPU penalties for using purpose-enhancing modules.
In the meantime, Hulkageddon is on. Fly carefully, or find alternative options for your play time.
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Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:17:00 -
[77] - Quote
Vio Geraci wrote:Have you considered leaving high-sec?
Low and NULL's appeal is such that most laugh at the mere thought.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
674
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:19:00 -
[78] - Quote
1) Stop mining. 2) Play GW2 beta. 3) Be annoyed they don't release it tomorrow. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
365
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:24:00 -
[79] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Ugh...the usual carebear whine.
I can haz ur stuffs?
In irae, veritas. |
Amber Solaire
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:28:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP have really screwed up this time
For the next month (or more), nobody will want to mine
Nevermind mining in nullsec, this will lead to fewer Hisec miners, hence screw up the total Eve economy
For all you Low/Null sec miners: enjoy finding trit so easily in Empire, without mining it yourself
Less Hisec Miners=even less low/nullsec miners (by making mining suicidal, it may well lead to the death of Eve) |
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Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
1
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:37:00 -
[81] - Quote
Eventually we will have T3 mining vessels which you can swap out modules for better resists and uber shields, so you can mine less efficiently but with greater security during hulkageddons of the future.
Unfortunately, gankers will have T3 destroyers capable of using the super-dooper alpha-nuke modules which pose a greater pop at lower cost than anything available today.
Until then, I'll just hop into a shield-tanked battleship when I feel the need to milk space rocks while threatened. |
Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
245
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:46:00 -
[82] - Quote
NPCs build better ships and modules.
No one wants your player created abominations anyway. Go play wow.
Or something
Seriously though, until 100% of people stop building things (will never ever in your wildest dreams come true), there is no point doing anything here but watch tears flow.
Would wish you good luck, but this is seriously part (in its current incarnation) of the game that needs to just be purged from the code.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
24
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:49:00 -
[83] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Learn to align, learn to tank, learn to orca fleet mine, learn to mine in empty non-popular systems? Learn another profession? learn to play eve? Make friends, move to null and mine there? rent a system? Move to 1.0 rookie systems and mine? Learn to PVP? Learn to PVE? learn to Explore? Learn to market, learn to research, learn to manufacture?
The only person stopping you from playing is YOURSELF.
I have to second this. In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
24
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:53:00 -
[84] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Here's the thing:
I've been doing this for years now. It's been well publicized over and over, I announce the event far in advance through every medium I can find...
...and two days later there is still 800 people dead.
I really can't think of any excuses other than pilot error at this point.
PEBCAC.
It's called head in the sand disease. If it is not caught soon enough it is terminal. Hulkageddon is a fantastic way to detect early onset of this disease.
It won't happen to me! <---- first sign of the onset of head in sand disease.
*pop* WTF happened? Whine Whine CCP make em stop hurting me or i'll cancel all my umpteen million accounts and all my friends will and you will go bankrupt!!!! <----- Terminal sufferer from disease.
~Z
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2983
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:38:00 -
[85] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct? "i should be able to make myself invulnerable no matter what my enemies do. i am a scared little child, hold me" |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
75
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:12:00 -
[86] - Quote
Brick-Fit Mining Rohk's Of course with gang boosters sitting near the station I Endorse this Product and/or Service [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580[/url] |
Marcus Caspius
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
18
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:18:00 -
[87] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:Noofels wrote:They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me. Move to low-/null-sec, problem solved.
Exactly - there is this major misconception that High Sec is safe. NOT TRUE - you just have better baby sitters.
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Aggressive Nutmeg
221
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:39:00 -
[88] - Quote
Mine in mission/scannable sites.
You can still be scanned down, but most suicide gankers are unskilled and lazy. Most won't bother. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:43:00 -
[89] - Quote
Noofels wrote:There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. You mean other than watching local, forming an intel channel, making yourself take more effort than the lower hanging fruit by mining in missions, paying attention to that suspicious frigate driving trial alt near you that obviously isn't there to mine, joining an alliance and mining big boy ore in 0.0, and at least a dozen other things. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
656
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:49:00 -
[90] - Quote
Noofels wrote:There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. I mine in hisec system where I'm normally the only person in local.
I have a rule: if the number of people in local is greater than the number of asteroid belts, move to another system. |
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Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
178
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:56:00 -
[91] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:Noofels wrote:They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me. Move to low-/null-sec, problem solved.
Makes sense.
I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
783
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:01:00 -
[92] - Quote
fit a tank |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
75
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:15:00 -
[93] - Quote
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. Cloak enters belt gives thrashers the signal to undock. 1 thrash scrams, the rest tear up. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
503
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:29:00 -
[94] - Quote
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
619
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:57:00 -
[95] - Quote
Best option: Have an orca on standby. you can just park the hulk inside the dcu+bulkhead fitted orca before the gankers finish landing on grid "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
619
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 02:58:00 -
[96] - Quote
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13162422
for sure, bro "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Paragon Renegade
Wyvern Operations
347
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:04:00 -
[97] - Quote
Go to a deserted system; Ghosts don't play Eve
Stop being a ****** and align; generally the twenty thrashers warping in aren't there to hug you
Use Directional Scan; Mash that button faster than you mash your meat and you'll be fine
Just those three things alone virtually guarantee success in any environment, and I can personally attest to this, having lost only one Hulk in the whole time I've played the game. And that one Hulk I lost? It was an "accident" involving automated defenses on a corp tower. Hulkageddon is easy to dodge & ignore, and if you think otherwise, you're doing it wrong The pie is a tautology |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:16:00 -
[98] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season! Yes, EVE is a dangerous place,.
This is the primary reason that I generally disagree with the folk to constantly protest the monetary viability of high sec. The reward should always be commensurate with the risk. This is why when I hear these arguements I make the counter arguement, that ABC ores need to move to Low Sec..out of Null Sec. and the mid level ores belong in High Sec. You can put the veld and scordite out in Null Sec for the care bear miners out there. lol [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:17:00 -
[99] - Quote
. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
117
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:31:00 -
[100] - Quote
Hulkageddon is my time to move across the galaxy and grind standings... I might mine but not much...
If I do mine it will be in a tanked Hulk, sure I might have to RTB more often, but its better than sitting in a pod...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Invul fields only work if switched on... Dscan only works if you watch it... Insta/fast-warp only happens if you are aligned, and moving...
And nothing works if your in the other room watching TV... I'm so carebear my Pod bleeds rainbow...
Beers + nullsec + dodgy fit = Loss mail |
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Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:48:00 -
[101] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Lol, If 10-20 thrashers gang banged an industrial ship I'd hope they would be able to kill it. |
Alxea
Trauma Ward
69
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:56:00 -
[102] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender. Eve is about risk vs reward. You can mine afk with a free stream of money and you want no risk because you want to make money while not playing the game? That is not very logical. You have to get over the fact that in eve there is always risk in space. Doesn't matter what you fly! |
Alxea
Trauma Ward
69
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:01:00 -
[103] - Quote
Miilla wrote:Learn to align, learn to tank, learn to orca fleet mine, learn to mine in empty non-popular systems? Learn another profession? learn to play eve? Make friends, move to null and mine there? rent a system? Move to 1.0 rookie systems and mine? Learn to PVP? Learn to PVE? learn to Explore? Learn to market, learn to research, learn to manufacture?
The only person stopping you from playing is YOURSELF. Totally logical! |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
71
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:06:00 -
[104] - Quote
Why would you want to be able to do the same thing everytime you log into a game ?
Isn't it far more interesting when situations ebb and flow and make you respond to a changing environment ?
Would you get upset at the Fish and Game board if salmon wern't running during duck season ?
Do you want to watch pro football on Saturdays in the Spring ?
There is so much to do in EVE... you can certainly take a few weeks off mining and find other stuff to do.. PI.. exporation, see if you can scan a worm hole and fly around in it and come back to tell the tale that you survived?
It seems to me that people just seem to take it personally beceause it was another player at the other end, not just a twist in the game play environment...
or maybe people don't want twists and just feel like they want a boring predictable game where nothing can go wrong if they do a few simple things.
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Thabiso
Merchants of the Golden Goose
6
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:00:00 -
[105] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Most gankers roam your local asteroid fields, so have your corpmate run a mission and go mine in that mission complex. Keep an eye on d-scan and/or have some scout sitting at the gate to the complex - enemies warp in, you warp out. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
172
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:06:00 -
[106] - Quote
FOR THE LOVE OF VELDSPAR just get in to a BS and us elasors and drones to mine, and put a huge buffer fit on it. youll be safe. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:21:00 -
[107] - Quote
*sigh*
. buffer tank . mine aligned . watch overview . warp out . have a little luck
or
. scan for gravimetric sites . kill or tank rats
and
. buffer tank . mine aligned . watch overview . warp out . have a little luck
or
. run mining missions
and
. buffer tank . mine aligned . watch overview . warp out . have a little luck
or
. mine in a BS
and
. buffer tank . mine aligned . watch overview . warp out . have a little luck |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:26:00 -
[108] - Quote
Raiz Nhell wrote:Hulkageddon is my time to move across the galaxy and grind standings... I might mine but not much...
If I do mine it will be in a tanked Hulk, sure I might have to RTB more often, but its better than sitting in a pod...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Invul fields only work if switched on...
Most hulk fits can perma-run invul fields. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:27:00 -
[109] - Quote
Mining is crappy anyhow, go do something else for a while and you might find it so enjoyable you never want to return to mining.
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Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
519
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:48:00 -
[110] - Quote
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. empty pocket systems wormhole systems dscan standings use remote rep allies hidden sites mission sites inside warpgates with ore
be creative, don't be afk, be alert of local and others in your mining spot. |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
90
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:10:00 -
[111] - Quote
Raiz Nhell wrote:Hulkageddon is my time to move across the galaxy and grind standings... I might mine but not much...
If I do mine it will be in a tanked Hulk, sure I might have to RTB more often, but its better than sitting in a pod...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Invul fields only work if switched on... Dscan only works if you watch it... Insta/fast-warp only happens if you are aligned, and moving...
And nothing works if your in the other room watching TV... ^ don't perma-run invuln fields, so many people seem to do this and it's really stupid.
You want to be able to overheat the invuln when you need it and having to wait out the cycle time before heat kicks in can be the difference between life and dead.
Pre-heat it but leave it deactivated, only activate when hostiles are on grid (suicide gank) or you get yelllowboxed (regular pvp). |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
849
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:21:00 -
[112] - Quote
The issue you are facing is flying a ship that is incredibly easy to gank and incredibly expensive. There will always be a giant target on your back for suicide gankers no matter if it is Hulkaggedon or not.
Standings will not help you because it is not just a couple alliances suicide ganking. So forget about that. Being aligned will not help, they will bring in someone to bump you out of alignment as the suicide ship is landing. So forget about that too. Finally being active at your keyboard paying attention will not help you either because of the first two. Anyone can be the ganker. Anyone can be setting up a warp in. Anyone can be the guy in a bumper ship. Want to use it in a nice quite system not on the main mining hubs? The moment any of them sees a hulk on scan, the system you are mining is is being blasted all across the suicide gank channels and a hit squad will be on you before you fill up that jet can.
You are basically ****** if you want to fly a T2 mining barge in high sec. You will be hunted down and your expensive ship destroyed. At what cost to the gankers? Maybe, MAYBE, a couple million ISK loss compared to your 200+ million ISK loss. They will also receive a security standings hit, which of course they will fix in null sec faster than it was to setup to gank you. Oh yeah, well at least you have kill rights on them now... for a month. So run off into null sec to cash it in right?
So again, T2 mining barge in high sec is ******. No matter what you do to keep it from happening, it will be killed. That risk vs reward feels great doesn't it?
My only advice if you want to stay in high sec is to simply not fly anything expensive. Fly stuff that is so cheap, the gankers simply can't be asked with the effort. Once again, this is a side effect of old/broken game mechanics that start a butterfly effect and you wind up things like burn jita and hulkageddon. If you think broken game mechanic x,y,z that only pertains to null sec does not concern you, think again.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
849
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:27:00 -
[113] - Quote
Myxx wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. empty pocket systems - you will be found wormhole systems dscan - lol, this simply does not work standings use - yeah this is a waste of time considering the suicide ganker can be anyone remote rep allies - lol, do I even need to explain why this is fail? hidden sites - again, you will be scanned down faster than a fat kid jumping on a cupcake mission sites inside warpgates with ore - the amount of ore you could possibly get doing this is paltry compared to simply running more missions and refining the loot. this is a joke. be creative, don't be afk, be alert of local and others in your mining spot.
I guess one out of six is decent advice...
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Wilma Shakespear
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:20:00 -
[114] - Quote
Everyone who has Problems come to Gallente Space, i Mined without distubance since yesterday in 0.8 Space... |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
64
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:47:00 -
[115] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Son, any ship can get ganked anywhere it flies, anytime.
It's kind of the point of a pvp internet spaceships game.
I think his complaint is that it is possible to gank his Hulk, even with the Hulk skilled and fitted for tanking and flying with friendly support. On top of that, they can make a profit doing so.
He is only asking for a fighting "chance", when it is currently impossible to protect one's self in Highsec, which defeats the purpose and spirit of highsec in the first place.
I am not agreeing/disagreeing with anyone, just conveying the logic. |
leich
Nocturnal Romance Fall From Heaven
23
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:50:00 -
[116] - Quote
I takes 1 destroyer to kill a hulk not 10 not 20 but 1.
It's awsome |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
300
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:36:00 -
[117] - Quote
Your best option is to biomass yourself. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Carton Mantory
Occassus Republica Trade Wind Commodities
10
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:51:00 -
[118] - Quote
Wilma Shakespear wrote:Everyone who has Problems come to Gallente Space, i Mined without distubance since yesterday in 0.8 Space...
The reason for that is most have done soo many Caldari missions they cant make it to gallente space. Caldari scum
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Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:59:00 -
[119] - Quote
Don't fly a hulk, period. Stick to Retriever/Covetors
Mine in Low Sec... same danger as high sec these days with better reward.
I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
904
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:39:00 -
[120] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Myxx wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:standings, local, d-scan, not being afk. empty pocket systems - you will be found wormhole systems dscan - lol, this simply does not work standings use - yeah this is a waste of time considering the suicide ganker can be anyone remote rep allies - lol, do I even need to explain why this is fail? hidden sites - again, you will be scanned down faster than a fat kid jumping on a cupcake mission sites inside warpgates with ore - the amount of ore you could possibly get doing this is paltry compared to simply running more missions and refining the loot. this is a joke. be creative, don't be afk, be alert of local and others in your mining spot. I guess one out of six is decent advice...
Pocket systems --> work just fine. You see someone show up in local, they're probably there to kill you. Wormholes --> no less dangerous than anywhere else Dscan --> works perfectly fine. Set (for example) to 1AU and keep an eye out for someone coming in. Standings --> YMMV. Will probably not work so hot during HAG events. Remote Rep --> it works, but a proper gank squad will be able to break the RR anyway. Hidden Sites --> not everyone bothers scanning Mission Sites --> It's still safer than sitting in a belt. Furthermore, you do realize that Meta1-4 doesn't refine as nicely as Meta0 (about 50% less material)
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
73
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:22:00 -
[121] - Quote
OP: NEWSFLASH most hisec hulk gankers are pirates flying in from lowsec, are flashy, and you can shoot them.
bring some frigate friends. |
Shade Severii
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:25:00 -
[122] - Quote
mine in low populated areas....dscan......if there are thrashers in your system warp
dont go afk |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2988
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:28:00 -
[123] - Quote
Shade Severii wrote:mine in low populated areas....dscan......if there are thrashers in your system warp
dont go afk all of this doesn't help our "i wish to mine in perfect safety, protected from any amount of gankers, while i am in the other room"
i'd say they're botters but even bots can manage to Not Die |
The Legendary Soldier
Hybrid Death
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:32:00 -
[124] - Quote
Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
It's a riddle...
... the only way to win is not to play...
If I was a miner I would just suspend my account for the duration of hulkageddon... |
D3F4ULT
51
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:33:00 -
[125] - Quote
don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Welcome to EVE and the reality that High sec is less safe than null/lowsec.
Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:36:00 -
[126] - Quote
Noofels wrote:I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
Don't know why this sort of thread keeps popping up in the forums.
First of all, ANY kind of ships can be "ganked" especially subcaps and more especially those which is not a pvp-buffer-tanked-combat-ship in which Hulks and other industrial ships are not and should never be one of them.
Second, unless you've seen an ore truck somewhere that has a titanium plating that can withstand a shot from an RPG without resulting on a hole as big as Kansas, i fail to see any logic on your "request". Your hulk is a mining ship, an industrial role ship. It is not designed to have the ability to withstand alphastrikes, you know that as well as i do. I find it weird that people keeps complaining about this, perhaps this should be made clear.
Hulk
is NOT
a
combat
ship.
stop complaining about their tanks, if you want your prius to be able to withstand shots from grenades and machine guns, do it yourselves, don't complain to the manufacturer.
Third, instead of complaining about something that is 'working as intended', learn to prealign, watch dscan, scout, fleet up, move to nullsec, stop afkmining (seriously, if you're doing this, then you deserve it). There are lots of 'solutions' to your 'issues', learn to play the game for once.
Don't get me wrong, i don't hate miners, Eve needs them (in a sense), and it's a valid gameplay, but this sort of complaint is ridiculous imo.
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Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:41:00 -
[127] - Quote
Tillin Sylph wrote:Stop playing EVE.
We need a rule to block the simple minded from posting in forums. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Rekon X
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:48:00 -
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There are systems I've seen that have no players in for hours. I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2989
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:53:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Welcome to EVE and the reality that High sec is less safe than null/lowsec.
"i can get killed in highsec it is so dangerous much more than anywhere else" - bleeting swine who are terrified at the idea of leaving highsec |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
493
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:56:00 -
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average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... I have more space likes than you.-á |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1344
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:06:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:An interesting way to fix this that i just came up with would be for a mining fleet (including the combat defense ships) to be flagged for open combat. Meaning that while the op is going on, anyone can shoot them, and they can shoot anyone else. That way your combat pilots could actually defend you, and you wouldn't have to go running to CCP every time some big, bad bear comes and blows your defenseless ship up.
Basically running a mining op would be like being wardecced to the whole galaxy, only it wouldn't be announced and would only last as long as there were mining ships actually mining and an orca providing bonuses.
I think you should repost this in the Features and Ideas forum. Seriously.
It has some merit and is worth a discussion of it's own, in my opinion.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Lord Grantham
Downton Endeavours New Eden Research.
13
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:15:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer.....
Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer? |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
98
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:37:00 -
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Rekon X wrote:There are systems I've seen that have no players in for hours.
This x 100000000
You know, you don't have to mine within 3 jumps of a trade hub. Make a little effort please. Find a nice quiet dead-end 0.5 system and mine for hours on end. If someone should happen to pop into local, dock up if you are worried. |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard IMPERIAL LEGI0N
148
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:25:00 -
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Lord Grantham wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer?
The problem is how you get into EVE in the beginning, no I am not participating in that "who's the carebear-discussion", and I don't see it as a problem but as you asked for the barrier, I will tell you what my barrier was (if you want or not)
It took me three attempts to get hooked up to EVE because I am a casual player, and I usual try to figure things out by myself before I ask for help. So I did not join a corp for the first six months in EVE...what happened and I am quite sure that happens to every noob who is not from the beginning in a corp.
1. yay your first cruiser after a week waiting for the skills, who wants to fly frigs, they suck, everybody has bigger ships 2. time to make some money, now I can do level 2 missions, mining is boring yay 3. hmmm this mission wants me to go to low sec....I heard stories it can't be so bad and I have a cruiser, I am not a noob anymore 4. hah he has only a frig....wait..... why can't I hit him and what happens with my cap 5. this bastard....he killed my shiny cruiser...I will have revenge I also have a frigate 6. WHY CAN"T I hit him....this is not FAIR 7. LOW/NULL sec is not fair....I have no chance...so I will not try it anymore...I will stay in highsec here at least I know how to not get killed (that was before suicide ganking got popular:)
a lot of new players get burned by low or null sec in the beginning because they lack the knowledge how pvp really works, the tutorials are only good for PVE.
just my zwei Pfennige, and who finds sarcasm can have it :)
EDIT: and for me it needed a good corp and boring griefers to leave highsec and I am not looking back, highsec sucks Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
284
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:37:00 -
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Lord Grantham wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer?
The 5 at the gatecamp. |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:39:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Lord Grantham wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer? The 5 at the gatecamp.
Gatecamps are just fiction made up by Hi-Sec Carebears to get CCP to ban all PVP. And your mission ship that you tried to take into 0.4 space thinking that it was just a step down from 0.5 space is now killmail gatecamp fiction too... funny that... |
Ira Infernus
Praetorium Illegitimus The.Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:45:00 -
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Mine in a battleship; So you might have to drop your cargo more frequently; just use an alt in a tanked ship with nice cargohold to take your rocks to a safespot and when you have enough, pick it up in a hauler... problem solved.
Stupid mining carebears, not a single brain cell about how to overcome a challenge. |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:53:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:There are several options available for you during these times. It's just that the stay still and continue to mine AFK isn't one of the good ones. If you choose to continue to use the best mining vessel for the job, you have to bail out at the first sign of trouble. This means learning to use the intel tools available and allows higher profits at the expense of having to pay constant attention to your surroundings. You can also choose to use a less efficient ship for mining, but which offers great tanking potential. Any 8 Turret battleship should do just fine.
+1 for the mining Rokh |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:16:00 -
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ITT:
"I want my risk-free isk faucet to be even less risky and be just as much of a faucet" |
The Crushah
the unified Negative Ten.
21
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:14:00 -
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Duvida wrote:Miilla wrote:Lord Grantham wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:average population of a highsec system : 50
average population of a lowsec system: 5
yep highsec is safer..... Exactly what is the barrier preventing you from going into lowsec if they are safer? The 5 at the gatecamp. Gatecamps are just fiction made up by Hi-Sec Carebears to get CCP to ban all PVP. And your mission ship that you tried to take into 0.4 space thinking that it was just a step down from 0.5 space is now killmail gatecamp fiction too... funny that...
Have you visited Rancer lately?
Mining in low sec is against my religion and the infidels must be purged from this existence.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
543
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:21:00 -
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Hench Tenet wrote:ITT:
"I want my risk-free isk faucet to be even less risky and be just as much of a faucet" Ah faucets. Ore faucets.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
286
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:45:00 -
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Noofels wrote:Ganking season!
There is no possible way to prevent yourself from being ganked in high-sec unless you stay docked. If there are enough enemies and money in their pockets, they can alpha any of my ships, is that correct?
You can't have a mining OP in high-sec. No matter how many corp mates in various ships I have orbiting my hulk, I would be destroyed by the suicide ganker's alpha strike. Even if I tank my Hulk up to the max, about 10-20 thrashers can still take it down. At 10-20% of the cost of my hulk, I am destroyed. That loss is recouped by the manufacturer selling a hulk back to me and paying the gankers.
Yes, EVE is a dangerous place, but I think there should be a method for me to defend myself. My corp mates can't take the first shot because CONCORD will take them out. They can't make a retaliation because I am simply alpha-ed, not giving them any time to defend me.
So, how do I fly my Hulk? I've spent quite a while training and saving up for one, but as it stands, even after gank season is over, will I ever be able to actually fly it?
Can I pay CONCORD or another player to put some kind of shield extender on me? Maybe that way I would have enough EHP to require at least 50% in the cost of my Hulk to be lost by the gankers. As it stands, I can't fly what I own. In no possible fit. Simply because it is too profitable to let me stay alive.
I ask now. What legal methods do I have to prevent my Hulk from being destroyed in high-sec? The game provides avenues for the aggressors, but I see no visible avenues available for me as a defender.
fly a ******* covetor....
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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:44:00 -
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So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys?
I guess my point is, I don't mind hulk pilots being kills. Hell, I'm trying to convince my CEO to kill some hulks during Hulkageddon to cut into some of our competitors. However, I dislike the idea that we're somehow dirty, unclean, or unfit for the galaxy of New Eden.
Take (of course) Helicity Boson. She talks a nice talk, and even backs it up with a good walk, but does she really drink her own kool-aid? If she could snap her fingers and banish miners from the game in a heartbeat, would she? Would you?
We perform a needed function (moreso now with Escalation) yet many people seem to take it as a personal affront that miners actually *gasp* take a role of relevance in the game.
Where are the materials that are used to make the ships you fly going to come from?
Those asteroids won't mine themselves. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:53:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 05:58:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.
It's less a statement about Hulkageddon specifically, and more about the rabid hunters who seem to make it their mission in life to cleanse miners, whatever their stripe, from the game. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:00:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd. It's less a statement about Hulkageddon specifically, and more about the rabid hunters who seem to make it their mission in life to cleanse miners, whatever their stripe, from the game. Is there even a point to shooting Ospreys? Seems like a waste when there should be better stuff to shoot. Oh well. People expected others to shoot empty freighters for their own amusement as well, I guess I shouldn't be judging osprey shooters too harshly.
I suppose it's one of those self-selecting things. The miners that can deal with it don't feel the need to whine, but those that can't, do. And so it seems most of the miner-related threads have whining miners. Sort of unfair to the rest, but hey, they're smarter and presumably making isk rather than posts.
P.S. If you see an enemy miner eating your ore, quickly PM a goon. However, trying to help them by using your own mining ship to give a warp in might not be in your best interests ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Wilma Shakespear
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:03:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd.
If you look at the one in Place one on here http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/
you will see even he does not kill many Hulks... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tappad
som much for that Event i would say its the wrong Name i would it call MINERGEDDON!!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:11:00 -
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Wilma Shakespear wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Ditra Vorthran wrote:So I have to ask, what are gankers going to do once they run out of hulk pilots to hunt? Covetors? Retrievers? Ospreys? I'm told that mining barges are worth points or something. (Hope people don't try flying Procurers). BUt not Ospreys, surely... that would be odd. If you look at the one in Place one on here http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/you will see even he does not kill many Hulks... http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Tappadsom much for that Event i would say its the wrong Name i would it call MINERGEDDON!! I see a lot of macks. Huh. Some pods and thrashers too. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Sroasa
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:21:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:... find out that tech does not make ships...
Actually it does. Hulks for instance. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:24:00 -
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Sroasa wrote:MeBiatch wrote:... find out that tech does not make ships... Actually it does. Hulks for instance. A significant part of the cost of a Hulk is tech-related stuff, I think.
That's right, you miners are buying stuff (if indirectly) from the moon-miners (aka ATM machines) in nullsec Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:25:00 -
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Ditra Vorthran wrote: I guess my point is, I don't mind hulk pilots being kills. Hell, I'm trying to convince my CEO to kill some hulks during Hulkageddon to cut into some of our competitors. However, I dislike the idea that we're somehow dirty, unclean, or unfit for the galaxy of New Eden.
I'd be making a second corporation full of alts for the express purpose of disrupting my competition, and generally making their lives hell while profiting off their misery and every other in-game illegal and illicit activity to make the second corp profitable and to benefit the parent corp.
I would not be adverse to infiltrating spies and corp thieves/saboteurs into the rival corps, either.
I look at it that EVE and New Eden is a dark game in a harsh and unforgiving universe - and my idea of a hostile takeover is more along the lines of sending my best covert ops team to wash down the competition's boardroom in bullets, gauss flechettes, and laser bolts. :) Nothing Personal - Just Business...
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