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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:53:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: Tobruk
It is so ungodly frustrating to fight an entity in game that has developer support, its like your fighting the game itself.
If CCP helped BoB, why doesn't it show?
Yeah, you'd think CCP's pet alliance would have more space.
If CCP was really in BoB's pocket, they would have 'determined' that Haargoth was 'hacked' and rolled back the Alliance disbanding.
But don't mind me, continue threadnaughting.
like CCP's logs would show anything!
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:54:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: Tobruk
It is so ungodly frustrating to fight an entity in game that has developer support, its like your fighting the game itself.
If CCP helped BoB, why doesn't it show?
Yeah, you'd think CCP's pet alliance would have more space.
If CCP was really in BoB's pocket, they would have 'determined' that Haargoth was 'hacked' and rolled back the Alliance disbanding.
But don't mind me, continue threadnaughting.
Because CCP being on BoB's side at all immediately implies that they will do anything and everything to help them. Because the world is, you know, black and white.
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Netacq
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:54:00 -
[63]
Current Situation:
- Alliance names are allowed to change for everybody..
Or did you establish the "Lex BoB"?
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...GM Gimmi, the speaker a "t20-band"?
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thelung187
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:56:00 -
[64]
Originally by: GM Grimmi
We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action.
What would those particular criterion be, by chance? Or is that discussing GM moderation and I should contact [email protected], immediately followed with a beautifully written form letter stating that discussion and/or specific details of moderation decisions/policies is not allowed?
Originally by: GM Grimmi
Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case.
lol, I don't doubt it.
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Germamma
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:56:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Hanabi Kazan
Originally by: GM Grimmi
Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment.
Please name one example of this happening to somebody other than KenZoku.
Quoting for page 3
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Gilbert Drillerson
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:56:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Gilbert Drillerson on 24/03/2009 15:56:59
This story of CCP favoritism is not limited to this forum, I have been following a discussion on City Of Heroes forums and a lot of ppl in that thred have been indicating that, after this thread, they woul try out eve. After the rename was reported, they all gave up... They wont join a game where cheaters ate CCP employees.... too bad really, eve is a great game and this will become a story that will be used for NOT entering into eve :/
sample link: COH Forums
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Derek Shmawesome
We Know Derek
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:56:00 -
[67]
lol
That's a really lame excuse, Grimmi...
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Captain ULTIMATE
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: ry ry
it's a non-issue. the only people who care what bob are called are bob and, predictably, goons.
Since goons have nailed their colours to the whole "we got bob renamed lolololbrosef aren't we terrible~~~~" thing it'd be a bit disappointing for them if all their victory archived was to append the word 'reloaded' onto the end of bob's name. plus it's an excuse to churn up some internet drama. lolololol CCP are terrible at eve brosef~~~~
Bob don't want to be called Ken because it's a funking awful name and they really didn't think very carefully about it as they scrambled to fix the disbanding mess.
i'd be disappointed if the CSM dedicate more than 5 minutes to discussing this nonsense.
So go back and read what you read except pretend we are talking about people being scammed. CCP has never rewarded people that "don't think carefully" which is what has made EVE a better game to play then most. Real consequences. Kenzoku made a choice, they can live with it.
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Montasque
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:59:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Dmian
I understand GoonSwarm point (but not thanks to the GSs themselves and the CAOD thread, which is shameful, but thanks to LaVista Vista who put things clearly for me to understand.)
But I have a question:
How much sov did Kenzoku had at the time of the "takeover" by the ex-BOB?
Because, if most of the sov was gained after BOB was disbanded (and the petition was made,) and the existing Kenzoku sov was negligible, then it would be a case of CCP just asking for 1B ISK and change the frakking name. Case closed.
But if Kenzoku had almost the same sov it holds right now, then I agree with the questions raised by LaVista Vista.
Anyway, the only part with full knowledge to understand this affair (precise data, reasoning on the petition, etc.) is CCP. I'd like to have further information about it.
BTW: have Goons sent an email to Internal Affairs yet due to his?
1.) KenZoku had a handful of sov 3's, in Delve. I believe it was the primary reason they were chosen. But once all the ex-bob corps joined KenZoku their corp towers started claiming sov in all ex-bob systems, effectively giving them sov 1 on the first day.
2.) We all the play the same game, we should all be under the same rules. Regardless of SOV, this name change is unprecedented, and it underlines the relationship between ccp and bob, one that has a history of favoritism and corruption.
3.) I believe we are addressing this issue through proper channels, like the CSM, internal affairs, ect.
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:00:00 -
[70]
Edited by: clone 1 on 24/03/2009 16:03:12
Originally by: ry ry
it's a non-issue. the only people who care what bob are called are bob and, predictably, goons.
Sorry but you are wrong. I don't like goons, I don't like them more than I don't like BOB/.BOB. .
It affects me because I was denied a 'name change' (all I wanted was a capital 'C') and was denied due to the rules by which everybody in the game are governed, and it applies to me because our old alliance was denied a change of 'U' to 'u' (within the first hours of creating the alliance) based on the rules by which everybody in the game are governed. Everybody it seems except BOB.
Rules are rules until a BOB incident changes them.
"Please keep in mind that the names cannot be changed after you have created the account, character or corporation so please take care what you name them."
"Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies."
http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp
That's why I am ****ed off. THAT'S WHY.
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Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:02:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson
After the rename was reported, they all gave up... They wont join a game where cheaters ate CCP employees....
I know 50,000 people who will join Eve just because of this even. You lose.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:02:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
quote]Because CCP being on BoB's side at all immediately implies that they will do anything and everything to help them. Because the world is, you know, black and white.
Yes, I admit, there are a lot of shades of grey in this issue.
Just from our perspective, how would we know if CCP was making **** up?
We wouldn't. CSM? Don't make me laugh.
...okay, what was my point again?
Anyway, Molle probably petitioned the loss of 'Band of Brothers' name hours after the disbanding. CCP most liklely screwed up by saying, "We will change your Alliance name because this was not an intended game mechanic." Molle (probably) then convinced them to make the change at his whim.
So yes, CCP is showing favoritism.
Yes we have not seen this precident they are referring to.
But remember perspective. CCP could have 'cheated' a lot more in the past few months for BoB. But they didn't.
They changed a name entry in a database.
Yes it was stupid to do it now and not the day after.
/ramble
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Liz Laser
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:03:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Liz Laser on 24/03/2009 16:05:38
You should rename them properly, to "Band of Developers".
And throw in some tech 3 Titan BPOs while you're at it.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:04:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Vashan Tar
I'm sorry, but this is total bull.
When their alliance was disbanded using in game mechanics they had the option of either reforming a new alliance (losing sov) or joining an existing one (kenzoku) and losing their name.
You have shown that kenny still have a third option, being get on the batphone and get the game changed to their liking.
I thought we had stopped this since the T20/aurora crap, sad to see this it not the case.
Like I said before my thread was so rudely deleted, they did it "because they can. Sucks to not be in the in-crowd, eh?"
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Gone'Postal
Void Engineers
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:04:00 -
[75]
Originally by: clone 1
"Please keep in mind that the names cannot be changed after you have created the account, character or corporation so please take care what you name them."
Not trolling but Alliances isn't on that list. I'd like to know what happened as well tbh, 1 rule and all that.. it don't effect me as a player but it might one day.
Originally by: masternerdguy
Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
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Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:04:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Montasque
1.) KenZoku had a handful of sov 3's, in Delve. I believe it was the primary reason they were chosen. But once all the ex-bob corps joined KenZoku their corp towers started claiming sov in all ex-bob systems, effectively giving them sov 1 on the first day.
2.) We all the play the same game, we should all be under the same rules. Regardless of SOV, this name change is unprecedented, and it underlines the relationship between ccp and bob, one that has a history of favoritism and corruption.
3.) I believe we are addressing this issue through proper channels, like the CSM, internal affairs, ect.
Well, if Kenzoku had sov in Delve, it should have lost it with the rename. Then I understand GS point and would like more information from CCP on this issue.
Thanks for clearing this up for me.
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Originally by: Anne M. Lindbergh
There is no sin punished more implacably by nature than the sin of resistance to change
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:07:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Montasque
Regardless of SOV, this name change is unprecedented, and it underlines the relationship between ccp and bob, one that has a history of favoritism and corruption.
Actually, on this note: Wasn't POS Bowling only really changed after a BoB precedent aswell?
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:08:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: Tobruk
It is so ungodly frustrating to fight an entity in game that has developer support, its like your fighting the game itself.
If CCP helped BoB, why doesn't it show?
through the tremendous efforts of the coalition in game. It has been more than 2 years, and its still not even close to over. It just sucks when we have to battle BOB and then battle CCP. its part of the reason that its taken so damn long.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:08:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
But remember perspective. CCP could have 'cheated' a lot more in the past few months for BoB. But they didn't.
True, but the fact that they will still do anything for them out of favouritism after stuff like T20 makes them at the very least damn stupid. We made progress last time, but another few threadnaughts now might finally get the message through completely.
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Carver DiGriz
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:09:00 -
[80]
Just to qualify: I am not Goon and not a Bob(R), although BoB is set red by my corp. I just started this game in '08 after reading about EVE in a Slate. Internet spaceships seemed fun and psuedo-social, but still operating within the rubric of a game with rules printed on the box lid. Good enough. I am loathe to don a tinfoil hat and would generally hope to avoid foolish conspiracies and flame throwing, but really?
Not for nothing... I think this stinks. What, were the BoB picnic napkins already ordered and it was too late to get the deposit back form the printer? Because I might be able to understand that.
I really don't know, so I am asking here
 One: Can a ticker begin with a "."
Two: Is there a naming convention limiting an Alliance name to 24 characters
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Mnoba1
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:11:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: Pnuka
Here in America, we follow rules and laws to the exact letter
Define waterboarding
Look, sometimes you gotta dunk a bad guys head in a bucket, clean up dog poo with page from the Koran, or in this case change the name of a space guild in a popular online space ship simulator. It's for the greater good.
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thelung187
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:15:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
But remember perspective. CCP could have 'cheated' a lot more in the past few months for BoB. But they didn't.
You're not seriously giving this as a rationalization are you?
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Notnow James
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:17:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Montasque
Yeah, goons suck, I get it. Instead of trolling can you please add some constructive criticism one way or another?
I'd love to hear the argument for how this is NOT favoritism.
you're soo gonna get kicked out of Goons for crazy talk like that. "constructive criticism" that sounds kind of ghey really
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:17:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Pnuka
Thanks for the timely reponse.
Here in America, we follow rules and laws to the exact letter, part of the reason we are so god damn good at everything. Your US based clients are just not as sensitive as myself to the Euroasia way of doing things is all.
Guantanamo Bay
Economic World Crisis and Monetary Market Crash
Clueless indoctrinated inbred moron. :-)
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ry ry
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:18:00 -
[85]
Edited by: ry ry on 24/03/2009 16:21:17
Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE
So go back and read what you read except pretend we are talking about people being scammed. CCP has never rewarded people that "don't think carefully" which is what has made EVE a better game to play then most. Real consequences. Kenzoku made a choice, they can live with it.
hey, i don't care what they're called or if CCP changed their name for them. i also don't think the issue warrants the sort of tedious FAUX INTERNET OUTRAGE it's going to illicit.
sadly in this case it's inconsequential (beyond the additional load on the servers) and no matter how much you try to blow it out of perspective, or imply that it is proof of some greater level of shadowy cheating, it's essentially meaningless.
if you really want to show CCP how angry you are, vote with your feet. once all those canceled subs start hitting them in the bank-account they'll be forced to reconsider their evil cheating ways.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:19:00 -
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After hearing some of the crap spouted by you lower ranking minions, it seems that this name change is not the only 'pro bob' change you have made in mechanics down this way recently.
In soviet CCP the game cheats you.
KIA - If I turn up on your thread, chances are you did somethign to bring me here.
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Proxay
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:21:00 -
[87]
Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
But remember perspective. CCP could have 'cheated' a lot more in the past few months for BoB. But they didn't.
You're not seriously giving this as a rationalization are you?
It's a perfectly fine rationalization, they could have done a LOT MORE.
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Montasque
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:21:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Greme
Originally by: Montasque
Regardless of SOV, this name change is unprecedented, and it underlines the relationship between ccp and bob, one that has a history of favoritism and corruption.
Actually, on this note: Wasn't POS Bowling only really changed after a BoB precedent aswell?
I cant confirm or deny that. All I can say is that shortly after Evil Thug started pos bowling BoB in 9-9 with his Titan, pos bowling was declared an exploit.
Originally by: Carver DiGriz
Just to qualify: I am not Goon and not a Bob(R), although BoB is set red by my corp. I just started this game in '08 after reading about EVE in a Slate. Internet spaceships seemed fun and psuedo-social, but still operating within the rubric of a game with rules printed on the box lid. Good enough. I am loathe to don a tinfoil hat and would generally hope to avoid foolish conspiracies and flame throwing, but really?
Not for nothing... I think this stinks. What, were the BoB picnic napkins already ordered and it was too late to get the deposit back form the printer? Because I might be able to understand that.
I really don't know, so I am asking here
One: Can a ticker begin with a "."
Two: Is there a naming convention limiting an Alliance name to 24 characters
1.) Yes they can, see .EXE. for example.
2.) I believe its 50 characters, some existing alliances have 24+ character long names.
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:21:00 -
[89]
Originally by: thelung187
Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
But remember perspective. CCP could have 'cheated' a lot more in the past few months for BoB. But they didn't.
You're not seriously giving this as a rationalization are you?
I'm just saying you all need to step back and look at the big picture.
I really don't think this is a big deal since CCP could have rolled back sov had they wanted to.
So they changed the name of some alliance that holds a handful of systems. How does this effect the game?
You still know who to hate. Now get off this forum and go blow something up.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:23:00 -
[90]
Originally by: ry ry
rules are not being broken
You've kind of missed the point here, haven't you?
Originally by: ry ry
sadly in this case it's a name change and no matter how much you try to blow it out of perspective, or imply that it is proof of some greater level of shadowy cheating, it's essentially meaningless.
The 'greater level of shadowy cheating' has come and gone, all people are looking for is proof that it has the potential to occur again. Are you new here or what?
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