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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:36:00 -
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Ok, here goes; it occurs to me that semi-AFK Orca mining might be a realistic proposition. (Semi-AFK, to me, means running a laptop or something while watching TV/paying bills/whatever.) The idea is to send out a full flight of mining drone II and sit back. When the cargo hold is nearly full, fill up the corporate hangar and keep going.
I was definitely not thinking of buying an Orca just for this; some fairly serious trading in it, however, might well be quite profitable.
The real question is whether this would really be worthwhile even AFK. Has anyone ever run numbers on how long filling up an Orca would take doing it like this?
Another, related, question; is it possible to set mining drones to "aggressive"? As in; mine one roid to dust and start on the next one.
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Max Thorus
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:53:00 -
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about 8 hours
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damgood85
Gallente Excelsior Solar Management Stargate Experiment 626
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Max Thorus about 8 hours
Is that 8 hours till it is full or 8 hours till it is discovered and suicided?
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Woodwraith
southside project
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:36:00 -
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You'll have to tell the drones to go after another rock everytime, theres no 'auto-aggro' sorta option like you describe,
better use i think is to take the hulk out, park the orca next to it, keep at range 500m and just toss into the corp hangar,
dont even have to look at the orcas client but every 20 mins or so to toss the mins into the regular cargohold...
Portable GSC ftw.
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Pwett
QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Woodwraith You'll have to tell the drones to go after another rock everytime, theres no 'auto-aggro' sorta option like you describe,
better use i think is to take the hulk out, park the orca next to it, keep at range 500m and just toss into the corp hangar,
dont even have to look at the orcas client but every 20 mins or so to toss the mins into the regular cargohold...
Portable GSC ftw.
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.24 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Originally by: Woodwraith
better use i think is to take the hulk out, park the orca next to it, keep at range 500m and just toss into the corp hangar,
dont even have to look at the orcas client but every 20 mins or so to toss the mins into the regular cargohold...
Portable GSC ftw.
Where exactly do you mine?
Exactly... I had this same thought, and then decided against it shortly thereafter.
Sure, you can fly the Orca with a Hulk in the hangar.
You kick the Hulk out, park the Orca right on top of it, and then switch ships. Now you are piloting the Hulk, with an unattended Orca floating next to you.
If someone happens upon your mining op, and gets close enough, they can board the Orca themselves (provided they could fly the thing anyways). Then they can scoop their ship and run.
Worse yet, some folks will panic at this proposition. I've heard at least one confirmed theft where the pilot ejected from the Hulk (not understanding that you can Board directly), which left them with a cooldown before boarding anything. The Pirate boarded the Orca, scooped their ship, scooped the Hulk, and left the owner floating in a pod.
It's possible to do this all "safely", but it takes timing. You have to cut the lasers on the Hulk, then dump the rocks that'll fall into the hold. Otherwise, you can't scoop a Hulk with anything but charges in the hold. Then you board the Orca, and scoop the Hulk.
It can be done quickly, but not if you're freaking out about the proposition of losing a very expensive Orca.
The few times I tried it, I parked well off the warp in beacon for the belt. When I noticed a few visitors lingering before warping away, I figured they were bookmarking me to get closer on the next pass. So I packed up and moved before they had a chance. Then I decided against the whole thing, and took to gathering about 10 Jet Cans before docking and coming back for them all in the Orca.
It's a sound theory, using the Orca as a massive Jet Can. But it's terribly risky in practice.
As for relying on Mining Drones to fill it up... I reckon it'd take about 5 years? About as fruitful as a Miner II on the front of an Iteron V. --- Players aren't interested in Variety, they only want THE BEST. |
Woodwraith
southside project
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Posted - 2009.03.24 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Woodwraith on 24/03/2009 22:02:11 I should probably clarify that theres one alt in the orca, and one alt in the hulk, im sure as hell not leaving the thing floating out in space,
Marcus, anyone considering such a thing is completely out of their tree.
That said, its probably happened out there somewhere, :sigh:
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Terminus Vindictus
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Woodwraith Edited by: Woodwraith on 24/03/2009 22:02:11 I should probably clarify that theres one alt in the orca, and one alt in the hulk, im sure as hell not leaving the thing floating out in space,
Marcus, anyone considering such a thing is completely out of their tree.
That said, its probably happened out there somewhere, :sigh:
So... you're piloting in a pod next to your Orca/Hulk with your Hulk alt until you get to the destination, then you take out your Hulk and board it? Unlikely story. You can't put a piloted ship inside the Orca maintenance hangar. Man up and admit that you're leaving the Orca un-manned while you mine with your Hulk. And it's not so crazy of an idea, just risky. I do it all the time looting/salvaging missions.
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Galleus Einhorn
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Posted - 2009.03.24 23:45:00 -
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A bit off-topic now, but I believe a locked ship can't be boarded?
So while you're sitting in your other ship, mining or salvaging or whatever, just keep the orca locked.
The orca will only be vulnerable while you're locking it. And, of course, when you return to the orca, the other ship will be vulnerable until you can scoop it. But I imagine the orca will be the more expensive ship...
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Tyran Scholus
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
Originally by: Woodwraith Edited by: Woodwraith on 24/03/2009 22:02:11 I should probably clarify that theres one alt in the orca, and one alt in the hulk, im sure as hell not leaving the thing floating out in space,
Marcus, anyone considering such a thing is completely out of their tree.
That said, its probably happened out there somewhere, :sigh:
So... you're piloting in a pod next to your Orca/Hulk with your Hulk alt until you get to the destination, then you take out your Hulk and board it? Unlikely story. You can't put a piloted ship inside the Orca maintenance hangar. Man up and admit that you're leaving the Orca un-manned while you mine with your Hulk. And it's not so crazy of an idea, just risky. I do it all the time looting/salvaging missions.
Except his original post said "dont even have to look at the orcas client but every 20 mins or so to toss the mins into the regular cargohold..."
Why (or HOW) would you be managing the Orca on a second client if there was only one account involved?
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Woodwraith
southside project
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tyran Scholus
Originally by: Terminus Vindictus
Originally by: Woodwraith Edited by: Woodwraith on 24/03/2009 22:02:11 I should probably clarify that theres one alt in the orca, and one alt in the hulk, im sure as hell not leaving the thing floating out in space,
Marcus, anyone considering such a thing is completely out of their tree.
That said, its probably happened out there somewhere, :sigh:
So... you're piloting in a pod next to your Orca/Hulk with your Hulk alt until you get to the destination, then you take out your Hulk and board it? Unlikely story. You can't put a piloted ship inside the Orca maintenance hangar. Man up and admit that you're leaving the Orca un-manned while you mine with your Hulk. And it's not so crazy of an idea, just risky. I do it all the time looting/salvaging missions.
Except his original post said "dont even have to look at the orcas client but every 20 mins or so to toss the mins into the regular cargohold..."
Why (or HOW) would you be managing the Orca on a second client if there was only one account involved?
^^ quotin dis.
Terminus, a. doing what you describe is of highly suspect wisdom, b. why would i follow the orca with a pod that can fly a hulk instead of just undocking them both and warping to a belt? that just doesnt make any sense
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Max Thorus
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon If someone happens upon your mining op, and gets close enough, they can board the Orca themselves (provided they could fly the thing anyways). Then they can scoop their ship and run.
Thats how I got my 2nd Orca.
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Beirut Papa
Skunk Works Technologies Incorporated Allegiance 2 None
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Posted - 2009.03.25 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Beirut Papa on 25/03/2009 00:45:22 I can understand that dual boxing is complicated for most ppl, but there is alot of ppl who do it. Most ppl dont mine in low sec or 0.0 anyways unless it's an op comprised of many other ppl, so it's safe to assume dual box mining in high sec with an orca and hulk is likely and is a common practice.
I think if you were in a station in a .5 - 1.0 station with both characters being in their respected ships (one in hulk, other in orca) undocking and warping to a belt to mine is easy and safe. Granted, you could lose the hulk to a suicide gank but it's not very likely that a gang of ppl would try to suicide an orca... That would'nt be cost efficient on the gankers and it would throw alot of loss's on their KB's just for one kill even if they were able to pop the orca.
The only thing is for me, it's a waste of time to try to mine with an orca (alt) present when you could easily pull just as much ore with both accounts being in hulks if not more. The only reason I would see needing an orca with you in a belt is so you can be lazy and not have to hual anything for a good amount of time. Orca's are like command ships, they provide gang bonus's and therefore are better suited to mining within a gang of miners, not a solo hulk...
Ofcourse, this is a game. Play it how you want to.
Also, just to add so that this is not completely off topic, mining with mining drones straight from the orca is like mining with a hualer, it takes awhile and would not gain you much versus mining in a mining barge.
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Ronha Ottrit
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.25 03:20:00 -
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Why would anybody mine in an Orca..
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.25 05:46:00 -
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It's possible. If you mission mine in 1.0 you could safely send one mining drone per veldspar rock and be assured of no popping.
That said, you're probably better off afk mining in a cargo expanded and cargo rigged hulk, docking it whenever you get back to keyboard.
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Fat Buddah
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Posted - 2009.03.25 08:19:00 -
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If I take a implant-less alt like this one in a frig and demand a ransom for your Miner II drones at below the market price...would you pay?
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Galleus Einhorn A bit off-topic now, but I believe a locked ship can't be boarded?
So while you're sitting in your other ship, mining or salvaging or whatever, just keep the orca locked.
The orca will only be vulnerable while you're locking it. And, of course, when you return to the orca, the other ship will be vulnerable until you can scoop it. But I imagine the orca will be the more expensive ship...
Umm... what?
Can I have some of what you're smoking? Or whoever told you this?
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The ChurchWarden
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Posted - 2009.03.25 14:59:00 -
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It seems young fool you have never pirated. I can confirm you can not dock with a ship that is targetted. I can confirm this by the raven pilot who for some reason beyond me jumped out of his raven at a gatecamp and we decided to take it. Our pilot couldn't hop into the raven until we had all removed our lock.
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zombeee
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.25 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: zombeee on 25/03/2009 17:56:57
Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Can I have some of what you're smoking? Or whoever told you this?
"Can't board a targeted ship"?
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=995953
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Fulton Actual
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon
Originally by: Galleus Einhorn A bit off-topic now, but I believe a locked ship can't be boarded?
So while you're sitting in your other ship, mining or salvaging or whatever, just keep the orca locked.
The orca will only be vulnerable while you're locking it. And, of course, when you return to the orca, the other ship will be vulnerable until you can scoop it. But I imagine the orca will be the more expensive ship...
Umm... what?
Can I have some of what you're smoking? Or whoever told you this?
"Can't board a targeted ship"?
This is true, I have tested it with another Orca pilot to make sure I was "safe" while out solo mining with my Orca and Hulk. You cannot board an Orca, or any other ships I assume, while the Hulk has it targeted. I fly into the belt, eject from the Orca, "board from ship array" my Hulk, and target and lock the Orca. Then I can mine everything within reach of my lasers dumping it into my Orca. When the Corp Hanger on the Orca is full I Store the Hulk in the ship array, which leaves me floating in space, and reboard the Orca. Move the 40,000m3 of ore to the Cargo bay and repeat.
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Galleus Einhorn
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Posted - 2009.03.25 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Fulton Actual When the Corp Hanger on the Orca is full I Store the Hulk in the ship array, which leaves me floating in space, and reboard the Orca.
Wouldn't it be safer to board the orca directly from the hulk? That way you aren't sitting in space in a pod for 20-30 seconds (however long the session change timer is). And you can't target anything in a pod.
Otherwise you risk losing both ships.
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JypAllen
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Posted - 2009.03.25 19:31:00 -
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I afk mine in my titan~~
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.03.26 02:56:00 -
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Freakin' awesome!
/me goes back to Orca-Jet-Canning. --- Players aren't interested in Variety, they only want THE BEST. |
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