TEST is so terrible you could probably just ask one of us for all our alliance mails and we would give them to you, its not like we actually use them.

POS Passwords would be nice. Otherwise, meh

POS Passwords would be nice. Otherwise, meh

Who would recruit someone named Spymaster Bates

Note that goons aren't on there. They typically don't send out alliance mails aswell.


WTB Michael Bolton's API key plz.

You can actually google "goon POS password" and find it.

Don't be rude to the spymaster. He found a good adventure that he likes to do. That is all you need!

Good corp name: "Conspicuous Spies."

A good spy is the one you never hear about.

A good spy is the one you never hear about.

A great spy is the one who can troll about all the intel he has and still never get caught.

http://www.eveskunk.com/?messageID=312430205

lol

Also, since this is a discussion do you think spying has made Eve better or worse as a game?

I would have to go with more interesting for those playing the metagame, but less inclusive for anyone else.

Back in the days of SFCII, I was one of the Triumvirate of the Romulan SPQR. We Romulans not only RP'd the roll, but we had spies everywhere. For many campaigns we knew the enemy battle plans before their troops did. For some, we helped draft the plans.
After a time, the player community came together and told us that what we were doing was making it impossible for any team to trust new players, and generally keeping a game community that was too small from growing. After that we kept up the RP aspect of it, but dropped all of our spying activities and actively worked to root out spying. It didnGGVt feel like being Romulan anymore, but the community was better for it and so was the game.

The problem with spying is that it's a metagame. Any player can create any number of characters and can play them all. There's no way to be certain that the player on the other side of the avatar is who he says he is and that he'll have your back when you need him, rather than sticking a knife in it when the time is right. So long as that's the case (and I don't see it changing) EVE will remain a contradiction. There is no one you can actually trust with anything, while the greatest accomplishments can only be achieved by working together.
IGGVd love to see metagame of spying disappear, but until the day comes when you can KNOW that the avatar is who he says he is, spys could be anywhere. If they could be anywhere, people will assume that they are everywhere, and will plant spys of their own; insuring that spys will always be everywhere.

eve skunk
From:Morphiana
Date:2012-04-30 19:18:00
Eve Skunk I love you!
All your **** belong to us :)
http://www.eveskunk.com/?allianceID=347718026
Obviously alliance mails are WHOLEly compromised.
You'll get CTA and other important information through a secondary source.
Regards,
Morph

but it is true spies aren't just going to go away in ... EvE.

That's why I tell friends that come to EVE that "If you can't punch him in the face IRL, then you can't trust him in EVE."
There are about half a dozen EVE players I trust not to screw me over for a dime, because I trust them to not screw me over IRL. Everyone else is suspect, and frankly that's why I'm pretty much a lone wolf in an MMO.

How much ISKs does one make as a spy?

Depending on the level of intel you have access to it varies. We have an internal ranking system we use to determine your paygrade. Things to take into consideration are thing like ...

• Importance of the Alliance
• Your position in the Alliance (Grunt to Director)
• Active Intel Relaying (Comms, Director Meetings, Alliance Meetings, FC channels, Intel Channels)
• Passive intel Relaying (AKA The easy stuff.) (Doctrines, Mails, Forums, JB Maps, Alt Lists, Supercap Lists)
• General Activity

Being a spy should be hard. Passing on the one or two CTA mails doesn't cut it anymore. I think only maybe a handful of people in EvE are effective spies. Most are terrible and wash out in the first couple months.

What if I am the director of an alliance and I pass you a copy of all my mails. How much would this be worth to you?

Pretty much nothing unless it is super secret and then you'd be mailing me in private rather than posting it on a forum.

Who would recruit someone named Spymaster Bates

is anything actually happening in this thread ??

The problem with spying is that it's a metagame. Any player can create any number of characters and can play them all. There's no way to be certain that the player on the other side of the avatar is who he says he is and that he'll have your back when you need him, rather than sticking a knife in it when the time is right. So long as that's the case (and I don't see it changing) EVE will remain a contradiction. There is no one you can actually trust with anything, while the greatest accomplishments can only be achieved by working together.