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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:46:00 -
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Anyone have a link to where CCP announced that the of grid bonuses will no longer work? Got a friend skilling into command ships that wants to know about it "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:57:00 -
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I think it's in there somewhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VcnkUaUCPA |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
655
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:06:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote: Got a friend.......
That's what they all say. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:03:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:EVE Stig wrote: Got a friend....... That's what they all say.
ah see just cause you dont have any doesnt meant its wrong for the rest of us "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
143
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:04:00 -
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I am a command ship pilot, and I want to know. Cannot be too soon. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:15:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I am a command ship pilot, and I want to know. Cannot be too soon.
and can I get a time increment 44 minutes is looooong with that guy's voice "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
212
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:59:00 -
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they said they want boosters on grid
no timeframe or eta was given |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:02:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:they said they want boosters on grid
no timeframe or eta was given
no... a timeframe in the vid lol like 4 min in, 5 min, etc "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:07:00 -
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Loki boosted 100mn Speedy Tengu to the rescue Ferox #1 |
Notta Monsta
Almost Human.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:45:00 -
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If that happens I will have an off grid booster account that will never be used again.. But on the bright side I will save 500 mill ISK per month since I will no longer need to PLEX it. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1299
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:55:00 -
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There's "on grid" and then there's "on grid". |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
145
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:25:00 -
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Notta Monsta wrote:If that happens I will have an off grid booster account that will never be used again.. But on the bright side I will save 500 mill ISK per month since I will no longer need to PLEX it.
Hurray! Can I have your stuffz then since I would actually use it? |
Notta Monsta
Almost Human.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:41:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Notta Monsta wrote:If that happens I will have an off grid booster account that will never be used again.. But on the bright side I will save 500 mill ISK per month since I will no longer need to PLEX it. Hurray! Can I have your stuffz then since I would actually use it?
I may sell the toon (if the nerf indeed goes into effect) but gonna keeps me stuffs as that I will still be able to use.. :p |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
616
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:49:00 -
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I laugh everytime whiney players can't cope with someone meta-gaming better then them, as to deal with an offgrid booster you either catch it before hand or GTFO of the system the boster ship is in; or just bring your own command booster and now its like either side didn't have one (both get buffed up, both are practicly equal!). Really, its that simple as those idiots that say a hullk pilot needs to put a tank on the ship...deal with it yourself and get out of the problem you are facing. Game breaking unfairness...remember nothing is unfair in EVE until you whine about it . |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
149
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:27:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:I laugh everytime whiney players can't cope with someone meta-gaming better then them, as to deal with an offgrid booster you either catch it before hand or GTFO of the system the boster ship is in; or just bring your own command booster and now its like either side didn't have one (both get buffed up, both are practicly equal!). Really, its that simple as those idiots that say a hullk pilot needs to put a tank on the ship...deal with it yourself and get out of the problem you are facing. Game breaking unfairness...remember nothing is unfair in EVE until you whine about it .
Hello faceless one, your words do not exist because you have no face!
If you did however, I would say it needs to go because anything being done without user imput, risk or challenge is lame. It isn't anything at all to do with the "boster" itself. Plain and simple, sitting in/at a pos boosting is pathetic. U-mad because your dumb freebits afk boosting alt going to become useless and you spent so much into a triple co-pro loki with no offgrid?
This is eve, show up or GTFO. Not in combat is not doing anything therefore should not apply anything.
I never said it was unfair. I can easily sit offgrid, in safespots you name it in my command ship, but I am not a ****ing ***** and lay down my ship. Anything that lets people do stuff in high risk space with no/low risk shouldn't exist. Maybe we should just go whatever and have the ability to use ganglinks while cloaked. |
Varesk
Mafia Redux Black Legion.
43
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:33:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Aqriue wrote:I laugh everytime whiney players can't cope with someone meta-gaming better then them, as to deal with an offgrid booster you either catch it before hand or GTFO of the system the boster ship is in; or just bring your own command booster and now its like either side didn't have one (both get buffed up, both are practicly equal!). Really, its that simple as those idiots that say a hullk pilot needs to put a tank on the ship...deal with it yourself and get out of the problem you are facing. Game breaking unfairness...remember nothing is unfair in EVE until you whine about it . Hello faceless one, your words do not exist because you have no face! If you did however, I would say it needs to go because anything being done without user imput, risk or challenge is lame. It isn't anything at all to do with the "boster" itself. Plain and simple, sitting in/at a pos boosting is pathetic. U-mad because your dumb freebits afk boosting alt going to become useless and you spent so much into a triple co-pro loki with no offgrid? This is eve, show up or GTFO. Not in combat is not doing anything therefore should not apply anything. I never said it was unfair. I can easily sit offgrid, in safespots you name it in my command ship, but I am not a ****ing ***** and lay down my ship. Anything that lets people do stuff in high risk space with no/low risk shouldn't exist. Maybe we should just go whatever and have the ability to use ganglinks while cloaked.
They have these things in the game called Combat Scanner Probes. They can scan out ships that are sitting in safe spots giving links. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. You will need to train some skills and buy a probe launcher. I suggest you go with the Sisters Expanded Launcher with Sister Combat Probes and a Covert Ops Frigate. The ship will give you a bonus to scanning. Also look in to some rigs. They will help with scanning. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
149
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:42:00 -
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I know all about the combat scanner probes, I use them and I know how to avoid them. I can get a ship scanned down in rapid order, and know the best way to counter the combat scanner is if you are running a defensive thing, I have 20 safespots set up and park cheap ships at them making a whole pile of deadspaces with ships. Setting my dscan right I know whether it is my site, or other the other locations being scanned.
I also know that I can at a POS all warm and fuzzy where they wouldn't be able to get me, unless a fleetfight wants to occur at the pos. And that is the problem.
Something for nothing and your tank for free. It can be done, but really any half arsed commship pilot can avoid it without difficulty. I am not nor have I ever said that they cannot be countered. The issue is I know how they work, and I know how effective and the power of the booster ships for in reality no risk. I think it is a pathetic sissy way of play which is why I fly mine into combat. Or do you think that sitting at a pos in null is an example of leet play worthy of a Pvp game? |
AureoBroker
Natural Inventions
34
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:42:00 -
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Varesk wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Aqriue wrote:I laugh everytime whiney players can't cope with someone meta-gaming better then them, as to deal with an offgrid booster you either catch it before hand or GTFO of the system the boster ship is in; or just bring your own command booster and now its like either side didn't have one (both get buffed up, both are practicly equal!). Really, its that simple as those idiots that say a hullk pilot needs to put a tank on the ship...deal with it yourself and get out of the problem you are facing. Game breaking unfairness...remember nothing is unfair in EVE until you whine about it . Hello faceless one, your words do not exist because you have no face! If you did however, I would say it needs to go because anything being done without user imput, risk or challenge is lame. It isn't anything at all to do with the "boster" itself. Plain and simple, sitting in/at a pos boosting is pathetic. U-mad because your dumb freebits afk boosting alt going to become useless and you spent so much into a triple co-pro loki with no offgrid? This is eve, show up or GTFO. Not in combat is not doing anything therefore should not apply anything. I never said it was unfair. I can easily sit offgrid, in safespots you name it in my command ship, but I am not a ****ing ***** and lay down my ship. Anything that lets people do stuff in high risk space with no/low risk shouldn't exist. Maybe we should just go whatever and have the ability to use ganglinks while cloaked. They have these things in the game called Combat Scanner Probes. They can scan out ships that are sitting in safe spots giving links. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. You will need to train some skills and buy a probe launcher. I suggest you go with the Sisters Expanded Launcher with Sister Combat Probes and a Covert Ops Frigate. The ship will give you a bonus to scanning. Also look in to some rigs. They will also help. There are some great videos on YouTube that will show you how to scan. Hope this helps.
And a properly-flying booster is TOTALLY going to be within 150km when you have finished scanning+warping. TOTALLY.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1713
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:25:00 -
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I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Notta Monsta
Almost Human.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:36:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat.
I have too agree 100% for pvp type combat, every piece of the war machine should be on the battlefield. But what about solo pve in a WH or boosting mission running newbs with low SP, I don't think the rats care if there is an off grid booster.
I like my booster toon but don't want to babysit it while on grid in any combat environment, removing off grid boosting would in effect take me out of the boosting business as I would rather pew than boost. |
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Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Mordus Angels
154
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:46:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat.
Honestly if they'd just swap the bonus between strat cruisers and command ships 90% of the problem would be solved. Then you'd actually have an incentive to use a command ship (which might as well be on grid since it's trivial to scan one down.)
Of course one thing such a change would result in would be a lot more Rorqual's dying.
BTW do you know why strat cruisers are used as off grid boosters rather than in combat? Because a strat cruiser that's fit for boosting is pretty much useless in combat and implodes the second anyone looks at them crosswise. |
Armoured C
PLAYBOYS
10
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:48:00 -
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i like command ships !!
dont nerf em !!
*insert picture of nerf gun* |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1351
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:52:00 -
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Varesk wrote:
They have these things in the game called Combat Scanner Probes. They can scan out ships that are sitting in safe spots giving links. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. You will need to train some skills and buy a probe launcher. I suggest you go with the Sisters Expanded Launcher with Sister Combat Probes and a Covert Ops Frigate. The ship will give you a bonus to scanning. Also look in to some rigs. They will also help.
There are some great videos on YouTube that will show you how to scan.
Hope this helps.
They will totally help you when the guy operating the boosting alt knows how to use a directional scanner and uses it every now and then - he will then warp to another spot or quickly cloak up, denying his gang his benevolence only for a few seconds and then you can start probing again. Rinse and repeat.
Of course, a prober will also prove to be marvelously useful against a T3 booster sitting in POS shields.
They have these things IRL called Brains. They can stop you from making stupid posts. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. Unfortunately you can't just grow a better one if you were born without one.
Hope this helps. You know... morons. |
Varesk
Mafia Redux Black Legion.
44
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:53:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I know all about the combat scanner probes, I use them and I know how to avoid them. I can get a ship scanned down in rapid order, and know the best way to counter the combat scanner is if you are running a defensive thing, I have 20 safespots set up and park cheap ships at them making a whole pile of deadspaces with ships. Setting my dscan right I know whether it is my site, or other the other locations being scanned.
I also know that I can at a POS all warm and fuzzy where they wouldn't be able to get me, unless a fleetfight wants to occur at the pos. And that is the problem.
Something for nothing and your tank for free. It can be done, but really any half arsed commship pilot can avoid it without difficulty. I am not nor have I ever said that they cannot be countered. The issue is I know how they work, and I know how effective and the power of the booster ships for in reality no risk. I think it is a pathetic sissy way of play which is why I fly mine into combat. Or do you think that sitting at a pos in null is an example of leet play worthy of a Pvp game?
I understand what you are saying, but there is a risk to off gird boosting ships. Not every boosting alt is sitting in a POS, most of the time they are floating in a SS.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1715
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:22:00 -
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Notta Monsta wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat. I have too agree 100% for pvp type combat, every piece of the war machine should be on the battlefield. But what about solo pve in a WH or boosting mission running newbs with low SP, I don't think the rats care if there is an off grid booster. I like my booster toon but don't want to babysit it while on grid in any combat environment, removing off grid boosting would in effect take me out of the boosting business as I would rather pew than boost.
I can understand that, however I also firmly believe that the closer PVE comes to simulating PVP combat conditions the better. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1715
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:25:00 -
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Skex Relbore wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat. Honestly if they'd just swap the bonus between strat cruisers and command ships 90% of the problem would be solved. Then you'd actually have an incentive to use a command ship (which might as well be on grid since it's trivial to scan one down.) Of course one thing such a change would result in would be a lot more Rorqual's dying. BTW do you know why strat cruisers are used as off grid boosters rather than in combat? Because a strat cruiser that's fit for boosting is pretty much useless in combat and implodes the second anyone looks at them crosswise.
I agree that the Command Ship/Tech 3 command boost bonus need to be swapped or adjusted.
As far as a strat cruiser exploding if fit to boost, well you might need to make some comprimises in it's boosting effectivenes to ensure survivability... and just because you would need to be on grid does NOT mean that you have to sit within range of your opponents guns. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
152
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:33:00 -
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Notta Monsta wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat. I have too agree 100% for pvp type combat, every piece of the war machine should be on the battlefield. But what about solo pve in a WH or boosting mission running newbs with low SP, I don't think the rats care if there is an off grid booster. I like my booster toon but don't want to babysit it while on grid in any combat environment, removing off grid boosting would in effect take me out of the boosting business as I would rather pew than boost.
Yeah, the assistance of new players is important, but myself, I used to run in a T1 support bc. Particularily a remote support myrm to help then when they got into trouble during training. Outside of that, same thing I think, need to be on grid. Afk pve, no reason to be exempt or have that combat advantage.
As for the babysitting, good if the people cannot/don't want to multibox a command ship pilot on grid. Means those of us who fly em as mains are more useful |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:57:00 -
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SOMEONE hook up an in video time frame to go to so I dont HAVE to listen to this guy
ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) vroom vroom motorcycle |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Narwhals Ate My Duck
80
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:59:00 -
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Too bad all the command ships except for the Damnation sucks.
The Damnation is good because it has double tank bonus which allows it to survive and give boosts to the field.
The Eos is a joke with the least useful leadership bonus, armor repair bonus, hybrid damage bonus with only 5 turrets, and extra drone space bonus. This is the worst ship I have ever seen. The bonuses are poorly thought out on top of the fact that information warfare is not very useful compared to other warfare types.
The claymore has tracking speed, turret bonus, and shield booster bonus. - What a useless combination to have for a FLEET command ship.
The vulture is lulz worthy it has not one but TWO optimal range bonuses for 5 unbonused crappy hybrid turrets and only 1 shield resist bonus. What is this a killmail whoring ship? |
Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Mordus Angels
156
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:31:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Skex Relbore wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I have to agree that it is good game design to have ships that affect combat at least be required to be on the same grid as the combat. Honestly if they'd just swap the bonus between strat cruisers and command ships 90% of the problem would be solved. Then you'd actually have an incentive to use a command ship (which might as well be on grid since it's trivial to scan one down.) Of course one thing such a change would result in would be a lot more Rorqual's dying. BTW do you know why strat cruisers are used as off grid boosters rather than in combat? Because a strat cruiser that's fit for boosting is pretty much useless in combat and implodes the second anyone looks at them crosswise. I agree that the Command Ship/Tech 3 command boost bonus need to be swapped or adjusted. As far as a strat cruiser exploding if fit to boost, well you might need to make some compromises in it's boosting effectivenes to ensure survivability... and just because you would need to be on grid does NOT mean that you have to sit within range of your opponents guns.
Then people would just whine that it should have to be within scram range.
Honestly I think it's a bunch of butt-hurt over nothing. There are some major disadvantages to using a T3 off grid, one while yeah it isn't vulnerable in combat it's also not exceptionally useful in combat beyond the passive bonuses either. Because they are fragile you have to move them into position prior to firing off boosts so if you jump into an enemy gate camp you have to run off find a safe before you start boosting, Which means you either blow any chance of surprise or you have to start the engagement without boosts.
An on grind command ship on the other hand can contribute it's DPS, it's bonuses are applied instantly and wouldn't be mind numbingly boring to fly. The kicker atm is that they only get a 3%/level boost on a rank 8 skill while the strat cruiser grants a 5%/level bonus on a rank 1 skill. and that just ain't right.
Personally I'd like to see T3s lose their bonus and gain the ability to fit 3 links without a command processor. Then you could actually fit one in a similar manner as a command ship and actually be able to be on grid with a fleet and if it's off grid no big deal because it will be tossing inferior bonus's and have to deal with all the other disadvantages inherent in an off grid booster) To further move things in favor of the command ship, give it the 5% boost and suddenly there is substantially more incentive to use them. |
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