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Tikktokk Tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:15:00 -
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I really hope CCP won't remove off-grid boosting. It would seriously nerf Rorquals/Orcas everywhere. It would also place attacking fleets at a disadvantage due to the grid-fu that will happend at every gate/station/pos.
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:55:00 -
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I dont wanna subject myself to the mental anguish of listening to that video... is there any timestamp in it to find the info? lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:54:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:I dont wanna subject myself to the mental anguish of listening to that video... is there any timestamp in it to find the info? lol
Can't say at which timestamp it was in the vid linked in the first page, but there's also a statement on the issue in the game design panel on 37:30. You know... morons. |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:25:00 -
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As a CS pilot myself I welcome this change, provided they boost them for use on-grid. Cheers! |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
579
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:43:00 -
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Varesk wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Aqriue wrote:I laugh everytime whiney players can't cope with someone meta-gaming better then them, as to deal with an offgrid booster you either catch it before hand or GTFO of the system the boster ship is in; or just bring your own command booster and now its like either side didn't have one (both get buffed up, both are practicly equal!). Really, its that simple as those idiots that say a hullk pilot needs to put a tank on the ship...deal with it yourself and get out of the problem you are facing. Game breaking unfairness...remember nothing is unfair in EVE until you whine about it . Hello faceless one, your words do not exist because you have no face! If you did however, I would say it needs to go because anything being done without user imput, risk or challenge is lame. It isn't anything at all to do with the "boster" itself. Plain and simple, sitting in/at a pos boosting is pathetic. U-mad because your dumb freebits afk boosting alt going to become useless and you spent so much into a triple co-pro loki with no offgrid? This is eve, show up or GTFO. Not in combat is not doing anything therefore should not apply anything. I never said it was unfair. I can easily sit offgrid, in safespots you name it in my command ship, but I am not a ****ing ***** and lay down my ship. Anything that lets people do stuff in high risk space with no/low risk shouldn't exist. Maybe we should just go whatever and have the ability to use ganglinks while cloaked. They have these things in the game called Combat Scanner Probes. They can scan out ships that are sitting in safe spots giving links. I know its hard to believe and totally not real, but they are there. You will need to train some skills and buy a probe launcher. I suggest you go with the Sisters Expanded Launcher with Sister Combat Probes and a Covert Ops Frigate. The ship will give you a bonus to scanning. Also look in to some rigs. They will also help. There are some great videos on YouTube that will show you how to scan. Hope this helps.
so I'l just sit right outside my pos shield, and then duck in if anyone comes near |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
579
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:44:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:As a CS pilot myself I welcome this change, provided they boost them for use on-grid. Cheers!
I'm thinking the new target breaker module isw going to come in handy *evil grin*
buffer fit bait command ship , muhahahaha |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Narwhals Ate My Duck
81
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:44:00 -
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Problem is that the Damnation is the only real fleet combat ship that can fit a proper tank.
The vulture can only reach half the ehp of the damnation Without Slaves.
With Slaves the difference becomes even bigger.
The claymore and the Eos scales poorly with bigger fleet size due to reliance on active tanking, but i guess its understandable for claymore since its used for roaming gangs.
But the EOS is awful. Its design philosophy sucks and information warfare sucks its never used, it has a very limited use compared to other warfare bonuses.
The EOS is a complete joke it comes with a drone bay size bonus which it only has the bandwidth of a vexor and no drone damage bonus. It has a hybrid damage bonus for 5 turrets which will never be equipped since you need 3 slots to put links. Then finally the armor repair bonus that hurts EOS as active armor tanking is weak compared to shield tank and repairs at the end of the cycle. It works poorly for fleets.
Fleet command Ships except perhaps the Damnation need some serious looking at.
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Memrox
Blackwater Company.
55
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:39:00 -
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Was gunna write a big post about why it should be sorted out to On-Grid boosts, we all know it needs changing.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:44:00 -
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Only a year+ overdue on this.
Imo the gang boosting shouldnt work "on the whole grid", gang mods should have range of around 50k. Command ships would keep smaller effectivness bonus and get new "gang boosting range" bonus (100-200%), t3s would keep higher gang link effectivness bonus.
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.05.02 10:38:00 -
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Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens. I have more space likes than you.-á |
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Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2012.05.02 10:44:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens.
You can use the links for more than a Tengu, you can use the Tengu for a lot more than link boosting. |
saucy jackass
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:52:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens. You can use the links for more than a Tengu, you can use the Tengu for a lot more than link boosting.
Excuse me? Get bent mister "nerf boosters cus im too lazy to train for one". A good loki/tengu booster takes 6 months to 1 year to train up or more. That's as long as a capital ship. If i commit to such a long skill train i should be rewarded with an awesome booster alt. All im hearing is jealousy from those that are too lazy to train one themselves. Just like people that whined about capitals when they were first introduced. Your jealous because you don't have one so you cry nerf. CCP don't listen to these rtards.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6355
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:19:00 -
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saucy jackass wrote:Excuse me? Get bent mister "nerf boosters cus im too lazy to train for one". A good loki/tengu booster takes 6 months to 1 year to train up or more. That's as long as a capital ship. If i commit to such a long skill train i should be rewarded with an awesome booster alt. Good news: you'll still have an awesome booster alt.
GǪoh, and the time required to train up such an alt is quite a lot less than the time required to get the same character into a command ship, which is the training route he should have had to take.
Also, it takes less than a year to train every last leadership skill to V, so that alt must have been using a pretty awful skill plan if it took that long.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:30:00 -
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Command ship Pilots on grid or off grid?
That seems to be a big d many folks around here. I am not 100% sure but i think the idea was put forth by a irreputable CSM idgit from last year cause he has no way to com in game so to be able to do that he put it forward as a suggestion and it seems that CCP got duped once again.
They can make changes to the off grid boosting. Cut the bonuses down some. 15% for off grid and double it if they are on grid. This bonus will keep EVERYONE happy to some extent and with the currentof having them on grid wilnot affect only the copilots but also the idustrial guys.
If CCP removes offgrid boosting complet they will have another |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:34:00 -
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The pro links argument sounds suspiciously similar to the old pre-nerf Falcon arguments.. "you can train for one too so it can't be unbalanced!" |
Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:39:00 -
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On grid only will still not fix anything. They give to much overall and on grid will not fix it. Giving them even more of a bonus is just stupid. |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:36:00 -
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I can understand what that change would be for and can even agree with it in concept, butGǪ(thereGÇÖs always a but)GǪ
Rorquals would need a change of some kind. If any Rorqual pilot hit siege mode outside a POS shieldGǪwell, theyGÇÖd deserve what they got. But other than that, anyone with half a brain can see that Rorqs would get relegated to nothing more than giant ore crushers.
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SpaceSquirrels
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:08:00 -
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ZOMG you mean my ship might get shot at!!! I'm providing awesome bonuses to a fleet/gang but might have to be within 250km of them!!!
******* outrageous!
So much for l33t nullbros telling everyone else to grow a pair and risk it... You guys sit in your cushy highsec/hulks/nightmares never risking anything....
Not to mention loki's with the sig link are still nigh impossible to scan down including maxed 100m implants. Or that boosting in a POS is also ******* lame/cheap. Zomg!! then my orca or roq might get shot at... Woah be to me as I might have to move it or change my tactics...
Heaven forbid.
HTFU
Dbars Grinding wrote:Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens.
You know how long ******* command ships take on top of more cost just for the skills/prereqs? |
Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:37:00 -
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Quote:Zomg!! then my orca or roq might get shot at... Woah be to me as I might have to move it or change my tactics...
Heaven forbid.
HTFU
Oh, donGÇÖt get me wrong, I agree that itGÇÖs kind of broken that you can give off grid bonuses virtually risk free. And while as a miner I like it, simply removing that ability without any other mitigating mechanic changes is overkill
My contention is that in order for the Rorqual to be 100% effective, it has to lock itself down, and do it outside the POS shields. No one in their right mind will do it.
ItGÇÖs funny that you complain that IGÇÖm afraid of being shot at that Rorquals hide in POS shields. ItGÇÖs *because* of people with your attitude that Rorqual pilots tuck themselves away behind shields.
It wouldnGÇÖt be so bad if there wasnGÇÖt such a bad case of cap proliferation, where space is full of hotdroppers ready to cyno in a dread fleet to kill battlecruisers (it happens, you know it, donGÇÖt deny it).
What do you think would happen to that poor defenseless Rorqual?
There are lots of possibilities to change things around to make a sieged Rorqual go from GÇÿcertain deathGÇÖ to GÇÿI need to watch my ass,GÇÖ which is really all the change you need.
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
497
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:39:00 -
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Tippia wrote:saucy jackass wrote:Excuse me? Get bent mister "nerf boosters cus im too lazy to train for one". A good loki/tengu booster takes 6 months to 1 year to train up or more. That's as long as a capital ship. If i commit to such a long skill train i should be rewarded with an awesome booster alt. Good news: you'll still have an awesome booster alt. GǪoh, and the time required to train up such an alt is quite a lot less than the time required to get the same character into a command ship, which is the training route he should have had to take. Also, it takes less than a year to train every last leadership skill to V, so that alt must have been using a pretty awful skill plan if it took that long.
i am glad everyone has so much time to wait around for things. I have more space likes than you.-á |
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
156
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:44:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens.
Lets see for me, and I don't care if peeps know it since any spy would know if I am boosting for fleet anyway.
15,872,000 sp Leadership category
That is EVERY-SINGLE-SKILL including mining to level 5.
Command ships, lvl 5 Cybernetic or whatever the implant skill is, lvl 5
on grid I fly: T2 commship values=300mil appox? Sure not t3 value, but still a fair bit that is actually in combat T2 mindlink = +100mil
Shall I get into the value when I bring a command linked capital ship into combat? I am sure there is a fair bit more isk and sp invested to fly those into combat than a T3, as well as I need a cyno to escape, easier to tackle and can be doomsday/fighter bomber/dreadnought off the field pretty fast.
As it stands, I if there were a way to moor a supercap, I would freaking command link them and bring them into fights. Just really no interest in playing the holding alt or locked into the ship pain in the arse. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
322
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:45:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Tippia wrote:saucy jackass wrote:Excuse me? Get bent mister "nerf boosters cus im too lazy to train for one". A good loki/tengu booster takes 6 months to 1 year to train up or more. That's as long as a capital ship. If i commit to such a long skill train i should be rewarded with an awesome booster alt. Good news: you'll still have an awesome booster alt. GǪoh, and the time required to train up such an alt is quite a lot less than the time required to get the same character into a command ship, which is the training route he should have had to take. Also, it takes less than a year to train every last leadership skill to V, so that alt must have been using a pretty awful skill plan if it took that long. i am glad everyone has so much time to wait around for things.
You terminal or something? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
497
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:00:00 -
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I am not the highlander. I have more space likes than you.-á |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:10:00 -
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saucy jackass wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:Do you know how long it takes to fkin train for a tengu + links????? wtb sp refund if this happens. You can use the links for more than a Tengu, you can use the Tengu for a lot more than link boosting. Excuse me? Get bent mister "nerf boosters cus im too lazy to train for one". A good loki/tengu booster takes 6 months to 1 year to train up or more. That's as long as a capital ship. If i commit to such a long skill train i should be rewarded with an awesome booster alt. All im hearing is jealousy from those that are too lazy to train one themselves. Just like people that whined about capitals when they were first introduced. Your jealous because you don't have one so you cry nerf. CCP don't listen to these rtards.
You're not explaining how you still won't have an "awesome booster alt."
And a lot of people that are in favor of this change already have trained into it or work with somebody trained into it.
The game comes first. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
99
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:22:00 -
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not sure why it's so important to them to want the command booster on grid.. when the command ships cannot be cloaked and as is they are rather easy to scan down. Nerfing boosters is going to make Rorq fleet boosting a thing of the past.. no one is going to take a rorq into a belt for the boost.
I think they should rethink this idea on the whole. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
323
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:25:00 -
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I didn't ask if you were immortal, I asked if you were terminal. It's the only reason I can think of that you wont make it a couple of months it takes to train leadership. Either that or you are part of this family. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:39:00 -
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You could probably make an exception for the Rorqual, since its more expensive and way more vulnerable than a command ship or strat cruiser performing a boosting role. But logically I think a command ship and boosting in general should work better if they're actually somewhere in the general vicinity of the fight they're overseeing. Perhaps just a reduced bonus for those off-grid? |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
98
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:57:00 -
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While there may be some argument about requiring combat ships to be present on grid for gang bonus, anyone who thinks the rorqual can be used on grid must be bat-**** crazy.
For your edu-mi-kation, the rorq only applies bonus while in deployed mode, and while deployed it cannot move or cloak, nor can it go to hi-sec; meaning you end up with a rather expensively useless ship. People do mount a cloak on a rorqual and station it on grid at a belt, and in my opinion they are already pretty crazy to do so.
Deploying it on grid? Just self destruct and save everyone that trouble.
I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
156
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:57:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:not sure why it's so important to them to want the command booster on grid.. when the command ships cannot be cloaked and as is they are rather easy to scan down. Nerfing boosters is going to make Rorq fleet boosting a thing of the past.. no one is going to take a rorq into a belt for the boost.
I think they should rethink this idea on the whole.
For that, well I agree. The belts make it too lol to kill a rorq or an orca for their value. But hopefully if the scanning style industry comes into play, then it will be alot less of an issue since it would take some time to actually find and scan down the ship. Any attentive fleet could easily get away. Drawback of course is that dang industrial core. I know enemy is coming, but I already paid the fuel, damn well am going to use it!
Edit, and make it capable of boosting, even a reduced boosting not deployed maybe. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
498
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:07:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:I didn't ask if you were immortal, I asked if you were terminal. It's the only reason I can think of that you wont make it a couple of months it takes to train leadership. Either that or you are part of this family.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVzoedLk7ds I have more space likes than you.-á |
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