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GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:01:00 -
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Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing.
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. You cannot remove neutrals from your overview, so it only shows these people, because to eve -everyone- is neutral in some form or another. So why even have that button? We also got a ton of laughs out of people getting concorded for shooting us, because the overview doesn't display a reliable difference between pods that can and can't be shot (They're both red lol).
Concord doesn't work: So many laughs watching highsec pilots die shooting us. It's like a gamble for us. We get shot, maybe concord decides to shoot back at them, even though we legally can be shot. So many tears there. Concord is so broken it's wonderful.
Faction Police don't work: We had a lot of trouble with this one. Faction police randomly attacking everything that undocked, regardless of sec status. People that had been concorded getting attacked by faction police even with good sec status. People who previous had bad sec status getting faction policed even though it was good now. Faction police are so wonderfully broken.
Wardecs don't work. CCP does nothing to exploiters of this: Wardec system is a bad joke. You can easily dupe it in so many ways to your advantage. CCP does nothing about this apparently. Highlights from this were losing an entire fleet to Concord, when we shot a wardec fleet... despite getting no concord warning. Wardec pilots who sat on the undock killing us with impunity, because Concord didn't technically recognize them as a valid target, so we couldn't fire back. The -real- highlight from this was a hilarious hour long back and forth conversation we had with a GM, while we were sitting in space tackled by bugged wardecs we couldn't shoot. With no way to do anything but remote-rep each other while they shot us. The GM had -no idea- what the problem was, how to fix it, or what to do about it. Highsec is wonderful~
IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild! |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:04:00 -
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k |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:08:00 -
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thank you, come again |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:13:00 -
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The thing where you can't shoot people you're at war with even though they are shooting at you right that very second is a real thing that actually happens in situations where huge lag isn't even involved.
It's very unusual, but when it happens you'll end up with one or two war targets that half of your fleet can't shoot for some reason despite being completely legal targets. Normally if you get some non-aggressed dudes to session change you can get some people to be able to shoot your broken targets, but it's a horrible bug that's been around for like a year or something.
Pods you can't shoot being red is a "feature" added recently, it's even in the patch notes. CCP did that on purpose for some reason, presumably to make the overview more confusing. Previously pods you couldn't shoot wouldn't show red. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
143
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:13:00 -
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HTFU!
Cannot wait to see how the goons troll this one, Oh wait....
Yeah it is buggy but the system in one location has never been pushed this hard. Kinda cool really. |
Shivus Tao
Broski North Black Legion.
291
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:15:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Sounds more like a problem of people playing on Pentium III's. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
16
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:16:00 -
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I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes insite cargo bait, he die and he come back with faction cruiser and he die again... Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overviev ;)
Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
313
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:17:00 -
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Seemed the largest block of text was crying about getting shot by war targets. Learn to highsec, noob?
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Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:18:00 -
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Stealth recruiting thread is obvious. Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1879
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:21:00 -
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Oh, we understand what you're saying.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3954
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:24:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing. I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes inside cargo bait, he was so greedyy even probably rich because he living in 0.0... He die and he come back with faction cruiser to get revenge, and after 3min i kill him again. Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overwiev ;) Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland.
lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3954
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:26:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:HTFU!
Cannot wait to see how the goons troll this one, Oh wait....
Yeah it is buggy but the system in one location has never been pushed this hard. Kinda cool really.
i thought romanian legion was a sov nullsec alliance?
oh wait you got thrown out by /vera cruz/
lol! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Pres Crendraven
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:30:00 -
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Interesting viewpoint. I for one never like playing a game with to many rules either. This kind of client/server behavior has just been confusing in the past. I really knew it wouldn't pass a stress test and was waiting to hear where it was broken.
There's a certain game to breaking the rules though. Some people enjoy it. Whole professions are built on trying to break them or taking advantage of CCP's confusion.
I do have to say that your description begins to make 0.0 look like easy mode. I guess it really would be if you didn't have to pay for your own ships or lead yourself. I played WOW for a few hours and joined this dungeon gang and we happily hopped around with our gay swirling colors blindly following our leader. There was no thought or repercussions. It must be the closest thing I can come up with as to what it must be like to play on your team. Sounds like a relaxed way to kill a couple hours, Thanks for the invite to your dungeon. Can I just send you ISK or contract HULKS? Meta34me
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
16
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing. I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes inside cargo bait, he was so greedyy even probably rich because he living in 0.0... He die and he come back with faction cruiser to get revenge, and after 3min i kill him again. Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overwiev ;) Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland. lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics?
Broken Mechanic ? Only nullbeas cry (because of empire), try adapt to the environment or go back to null carebearland, most of those who living in 0.0 panic while one neutral appear on local, and while ganked crying on intel. Halp me! im on anomaly halp! structura!! nooo!!! |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1061
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:40:00 -
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lol @ the nub that can't remove neutrals from his overview.
I set my traveling overview to only show stations, gates, and people i have some existing standing to so that I can point out reds in corp and say hi to blues in local and so no one else.
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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:41:00 -
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um cool story bro...
first time I ever seen a Goon QQing a bout things hot working in highsec. Its like he cares or something "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:43:00 -
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None of these things have ever happened to me o_o Am I lucky or is he a fibber. Only time will tell! Ferox #1 |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:44:00 -
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Goon tears best tears, btw good topic ;] |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:44:00 -
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Pres Crendraven wrote:Interesting viewpoint. I for one never like playing a game with to many rules either. This kind of client/server behavior has just been confusing in the past. I really knew it wouldn't pass a stress test and was waiting to hear where it was broken.
There's a certain game to breaking the rules though. Some people enjoy it. Whole professions are built on trying to break them or taking advantage of CCP's confusion.
I do have to say that your description begins to make 0.0 look like easy mode. I guess it really would be if you didn't have to pay for your own ships or lead yourself. I played WOW for a few hours and joined this dungeon gang and we happily hopped around with our gay swirling colors blindly following our leader. There was no thought or repercussions. It must be the closest thing I can come up with as to what it must be like to play on your team. Sounds like a relaxed way to kill a couple hours, Thanks for the invite to your dungeon. Can I just send you ISK or contract HULKS?
This is a viewpoint I can't understand. Highsec players live in a system protected under the blanket of faction police, and Concord. The only people who can even shoot at you have to wardec you first. And then you can just use neutral corps, or some other form of wardec shielding.
I live in an eve where every person can shoot you, at any time, for any reason. There is no police to protect you. No wardecs to let you know they're hunting you. One minute you're on an op, the next you have a cyno open and capitals pouring into your head from someone who just thought it would be fun to do so.
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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:46:00 -
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Also: I have lived in 0.0 since I was weeks into the game and it is by far the easier, safer place to live c: More fun too! (That is where the good adventures are) Ferox #1 |
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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:56:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:
This is a viewpoint I can't understand. Highsec players live in a system protected under the blanket of faction police, and Concord.
Oh cmon, pretend youre not trolling you already disproved this in your OP
Kietay Ayari wrote:Also: I have lived in 0.0 since I was weeks into the game and it is by far the easier, safer place to live c: More fun too! (That is where the good adventures are)
Odd, my experience differed from this. But thats what makes games like this great. Completely different views yet we're both allowed to have our fun. "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
369
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics?
Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec. I love flying titans in Jita, setting bubbles in Rens,-áor firing off bombs from my stealth bomber-áin Dodixie!-á Just think, if Eve wasn't a sandbox, none of this would be possible! |
Pres Crendraven
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:14:00 -
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High sec is less predictable, at least in systems with some population. Low pop systems are manageable but busier ones take time to sift through since 90 percent are nuetral. Too bad we cant set standings to ship types instead of people. Some ARE more of a threat than others. Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:19:00 -
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The reason 0.0 is so safe is because of hundreds or thousands of players and an infinity man hour campaign to keep it that way. It is not really the same as the free safety of highsec that no one has earned yet must exist for a stable game. But still, the safety of nulsec is better, because it is a product of human labour and of those who wish to grow and create something of their own!
Effort Adventures Effort Time and Adventures Ferox #1 |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:21:00 -
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Highsec works nicely when your goal is not shooting everything in sight... |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
676
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:24:00 -
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Shivus Tao wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Sounds more like a problem of people playing on Pentium III's.
No, that's the (in)famous Black Screen Of Death and is here since endless years. You can easily have it in Jita, Old Man Star and generally in overloaded nodes. It's not an exclusive hi sec issue. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
497
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:44:00 -
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I really do think that those of us who stay in highsec to grief carebears full time should be considered saints and martyrs for the unending stream of anti-PVP nerfs and broken game mechanics we have to endure and have encyclopedic knowledge of just to be able to shoot at the kind of people who'd see this game made into WOW if they had their way. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
676
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:49:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I really do think that those of us who stay in highsec to grief carebears full time should be considered saints and martyrs for the unending stream of anti-PVP nerfs and broken game mechanics we have to endure and have encyclopedic knowledge of just to be able to shoot at the kind of people who'd see this game made into WOW if they had their way.
Saints? Hi sec bears may be coward but 0.0 seccers seem to perma-demand that the free sandbox it's THEIR WAY or THE HIGHWAY (see any incongruence?).
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
497
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:57:00 -
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what the hell are you even talking about you crazy person. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3956
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:02:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec.
We work to keep it safe. You didn't earn concord's protection. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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