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GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:01:00 -
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Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing.
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. You cannot remove neutrals from your overview, so it only shows these people, because to eve -everyone- is neutral in some form or another. So why even have that button? We also got a ton of laughs out of people getting concorded for shooting us, because the overview doesn't display a reliable difference between pods that can and can't be shot (They're both red lol).
Concord doesn't work: So many laughs watching highsec pilots die shooting us. It's like a gamble for us. We get shot, maybe concord decides to shoot back at them, even though we legally can be shot. So many tears there. Concord is so broken it's wonderful.
Faction Police don't work: We had a lot of trouble with this one. Faction police randomly attacking everything that undocked, regardless of sec status. People that had been concorded getting attacked by faction police even with good sec status. People who previous had bad sec status getting faction policed even though it was good now. Faction police are so wonderfully broken.
Wardecs don't work. CCP does nothing to exploiters of this: Wardec system is a bad joke. You can easily dupe it in so many ways to your advantage. CCP does nothing about this apparently. Highlights from this were losing an entire fleet to Concord, when we shot a wardec fleet... despite getting no concord warning. Wardec pilots who sat on the undock killing us with impunity, because Concord didn't technically recognize them as a valid target, so we couldn't fire back. The -real- highlight from this was a hilarious hour long back and forth conversation we had with a GM, while we were sitting in space tackled by bugged wardecs we couldn't shoot. With no way to do anything but remote-rep each other while they shot us. The GM had -no idea- what the problem was, how to fix it, or what to do about it. Highsec is wonderful~
IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild! |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:04:00 -
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k |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:08:00 -
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thank you, come again |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:13:00 -
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The thing where you can't shoot people you're at war with even though they are shooting at you right that very second is a real thing that actually happens in situations where huge lag isn't even involved.
It's very unusual, but when it happens you'll end up with one or two war targets that half of your fleet can't shoot for some reason despite being completely legal targets. Normally if you get some non-aggressed dudes to session change you can get some people to be able to shoot your broken targets, but it's a horrible bug that's been around for like a year or something.
Pods you can't shoot being red is a "feature" added recently, it's even in the patch notes. CCP did that on purpose for some reason, presumably to make the overview more confusing. Previously pods you couldn't shoot wouldn't show red. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
143
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:13:00 -
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HTFU!
Cannot wait to see how the goons troll this one, Oh wait....
Yeah it is buggy but the system in one location has never been pushed this hard. Kinda cool really. |
Shivus Tao
Broski North Black Legion.
291
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:15:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Sounds more like a problem of people playing on Pentium III's. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
16
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:16:00 -
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I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes insite cargo bait, he die and he come back with faction cruiser and he die again... Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overviev ;)
Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
313
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:17:00 -
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Seemed the largest block of text was crying about getting shot by war targets. Learn to highsec, noob?
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Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
308
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:18:00 -
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Stealth recruiting thread is obvious. Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1879
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:21:00 -
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Oh, we understand what you're saying.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3954
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:24:00 -
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Cloned S0ul wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing. I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes inside cargo bait, he was so greedyy even probably rich because he living in 0.0... He die and he come back with faction cruiser to get revenge, and after 3min i kill him again. Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overwiev ;) Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland.
lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3954
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:26:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:HTFU!
Cannot wait to see how the goons troll this one, Oh wait....
Yeah it is buggy but the system in one location has never been pushed this hard. Kinda cool really.
i thought romanian legion was a sov nullsec alliance?
oh wait you got thrown out by /vera cruz/
lol! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Pres Crendraven
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:30:00 -
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Interesting viewpoint. I for one never like playing a game with to many rules either. This kind of client/server behavior has just been confusing in the past. I really knew it wouldn't pass a stress test and was waiting to hear where it was broken.
There's a certain game to breaking the rules though. Some people enjoy it. Whole professions are built on trying to break them or taking advantage of CCP's confusion.
I do have to say that your description begins to make 0.0 look like easy mode. I guess it really would be if you didn't have to pay for your own ships or lead yourself. I played WOW for a few hours and joined this dungeon gang and we happily hopped around with our gay swirling colors blindly following our leader. There was no thought or repercussions. It must be the closest thing I can come up with as to what it must be like to play on your team. Sounds like a relaxed way to kill a couple hours, Thanks for the invite to your dungeon. Can I just send you ISK or contract HULKS? Meta34me
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Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
16
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing. I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes inside cargo bait, he was so greedyy even probably rich because he living in 0.0... He die and he come back with faction cruiser to get revenge, and after 3min i kill him again. Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overwiev ;) Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland. lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics?
Broken Mechanic ? Only nullbeas cry (because of empire), try adapt to the environment or go back to null carebearland, most of those who living in 0.0 panic while one neutral appear on local, and while ganked crying on intel. Halp me! im on anomaly halp! structura!! nooo!!! |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1061
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:40:00 -
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lol @ the nub that can't remove neutrals from his overview.
I set my traveling overview to only show stations, gates, and people i have some existing standing to so that I can point out reds in corp and say hi to blues in local and so no one else.
The Drake is a Lie |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:41:00 -
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um cool story bro...
first time I ever seen a Goon QQing a bout things hot working in highsec. Its like he cares or something "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:43:00 -
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None of these things have ever happened to me o_o Am I lucky or is he a fibber. Only time will tell! Ferox #1 |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
16
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:44:00 -
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Goon tears best tears, btw good topic ;] |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:44:00 -
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Pres Crendraven wrote:Interesting viewpoint. I for one never like playing a game with to many rules either. This kind of client/server behavior has just been confusing in the past. I really knew it wouldn't pass a stress test and was waiting to hear where it was broken.
There's a certain game to breaking the rules though. Some people enjoy it. Whole professions are built on trying to break them or taking advantage of CCP's confusion.
I do have to say that your description begins to make 0.0 look like easy mode. I guess it really would be if you didn't have to pay for your own ships or lead yourself. I played WOW for a few hours and joined this dungeon gang and we happily hopped around with our gay swirling colors blindly following our leader. There was no thought or repercussions. It must be the closest thing I can come up with as to what it must be like to play on your team. Sounds like a relaxed way to kill a couple hours, Thanks for the invite to your dungeon. Can I just send you ISK or contract HULKS?
This is a viewpoint I can't understand. Highsec players live in a system protected under the blanket of faction police, and Concord. The only people who can even shoot at you have to wardec you first. And then you can just use neutral corps, or some other form of wardec shielding.
I live in an eve where every person can shoot you, at any time, for any reason. There is no police to protect you. No wardecs to let you know they're hunting you. One minute you're on an op, the next you have a cyno open and capitals pouring into your head from someone who just thought it would be fun to do so.
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Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
380
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:46:00 -
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Also: I have lived in 0.0 since I was weeks into the game and it is by far the easier, safer place to live c: More fun too! (That is where the good adventures are) Ferox #1 |
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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:56:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:
This is a viewpoint I can't understand. Highsec players live in a system protected under the blanket of faction police, and Concord.
Oh cmon, pretend youre not trolling you already disproved this in your OP
Kietay Ayari wrote:Also: I have lived in 0.0 since I was weeks into the game and it is by far the easier, safer place to live c: More fun too! (That is where the good adventures are)
Odd, my experience differed from this. But thats what makes games like this great. Completely different views yet we're both allowed to have our fun. "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
369
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics?
Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec. I love flying titans in Jita, setting bubbles in Rens,-áor firing off bombs from my stealth bomber-áin Dodixie!-á Just think, if Eve wasn't a sandbox, none of this would be possible! |
Pres Crendraven
11
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:14:00 -
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High sec is less predictable, at least in systems with some population. Low pop systems are manageable but busier ones take time to sift through since 90 percent are nuetral. Too bad we cant set standings to ship types instead of people. Some ARE more of a threat than others. Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:19:00 -
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The reason 0.0 is so safe is because of hundreds or thousands of players and an infinity man hour campaign to keep it that way. It is not really the same as the free safety of highsec that no one has earned yet must exist for a stable game. But still, the safety of nulsec is better, because it is a product of human labour and of those who wish to grow and create something of their own!
Effort Adventures Effort Time and Adventures Ferox #1 |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:21:00 -
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Highsec works nicely when your goal is not shooting everything in sight... |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
676
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:24:00 -
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Shivus Tao wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Sounds more like a problem of people playing on Pentium III's.
No, that's the (in)famous Black Screen Of Death and is here since endless years. You can easily have it in Jita, Old Man Star and generally in overloaded nodes. It's not an exclusive hi sec issue. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
497
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:44:00 -
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I really do think that those of us who stay in highsec to grief carebears full time should be considered saints and martyrs for the unending stream of anti-PVP nerfs and broken game mechanics we have to endure and have encyclopedic knowledge of just to be able to shoot at the kind of people who'd see this game made into WOW if they had their way. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
676
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:49:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I really do think that those of us who stay in highsec to grief carebears full time should be considered saints and martyrs for the unending stream of anti-PVP nerfs and broken game mechanics we have to endure and have encyclopedic knowledge of just to be able to shoot at the kind of people who'd see this game made into WOW if they had their way.
Saints? Hi sec bears may be coward but 0.0 seccers seem to perma-demand that the free sandbox it's THEIR WAY or THE HIGHWAY (see any incongruence?).
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
497
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:57:00 -
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what the hell are you even talking about you crazy person. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3956
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:02:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec.
We work to keep it safe. You didn't earn concord's protection. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Pres Crendraven
14
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:07:00 -
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But Don't you see? Theres nothing we CAN do to make it safe. We ARE the courageous youth, you are the old farts basking in your retirement. Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
813
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:14:00 -
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You know, it's ironic. Goons really are the biggest pubbies of us all. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
333
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:14:00 -
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If you can't handle hi sec then stay in 0.0 and visa versa.
Can't be simpler.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
144
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:21:00 -
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Andski wrote:Markus Reese wrote:HTFU!
Cannot wait to see how the goons troll this one, Oh wait....
Yeah it is buggy but the system in one location has never been pushed this hard. Kinda cool really. i thought romanian legion was a sov nullsec alliance? oh wait you got thrown out by /vera cruz/ lol!
True, it was quite interesting to say the least. Especially since our corp kinda set them off... Long story. Still have some sov, I think? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3956
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:26:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:If you can't handle hi sec then stay in 0.0 and visa versa.
Can't be simpler.
"if you can't handle being shot at by wardecs who you literally cannot shoot, stay in 0.0" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:31:00 -
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Or, if you want to shoot things, go to lowsec. |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
13
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:31:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:You know, it's ironic. Goons really are the biggest pubbies of us all.
Pubbie = Some EVE player that is NOT a Something Awful member. It has nothing to do with skills.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pubbie
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
497
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:37:00 -
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Andski wrote:"if you can't handle being shot at by wardecs who you cannot shoot back at, stay in 0.0" You should ask CCP greyscale about not being able to shoot back while being shot at in highsec. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1131
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:39:00 -
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qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
There is so much butthurt on that page. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
333
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:47:00 -
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Pubbie
A word used by those of lesser intellect to describe other people in a game. Mostly used by people of a gay mormon website while they are stroking each others e-peen.
I don't see butthurt but mainly accurate statement in that.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
815
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:58:00 -
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qDoctor Strangelove wrote:Pubbie = Some EVE player that is NOT a Something Awful member. It has nothing to do with skills.
Well it's a word used so frequently, carelessly and inaccurately that it essentially has no real meaning anymore. Kind of like "autist", "bigot" or "active tank". Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1335
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:04:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive.
From what I see on EVEkill, you apparently only saw eight ships worth killing. One was a freighter that you and the other 142 pilots that killed it must be real proud of. So.. you killed one expensive ship. Interesting.
Did I miss something here? Or are you all blather and buzzy bee time.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:09:00 -
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Haha I've never seen that urban dictionary page before. Pretty big page full of butthurt there :3
Anybody saying highsec pvp is more advanced is just silly, it was a refreshing easy-mode for us, when it works. The overview shows you who you can and can't shoot in ships, and you just shoot them. If they exploit the system to use neutral reps, you just jam them from 100km and they dock up. The only 'hard' part about any of it was concord not working and the wardec system being completely broken.
Everything about Highsec fighting is just simplified real fights. There are no dictors and drag bubbles to worry about. You can sit safely on a station at all times and dock up when things go bad. Your logistics are effectively immune from being hurt in any way, as long as you park them on a station. You never have to worry about a cyno opening and another fleet pouring in onto the field. Capitals are non-existent. There were no starbases for us to worry with fighting on. We didn't have to worry about positioning the fleet to avoid bombs, because they don't exist in highsec. It's literally combat with training wheels for Eve.
In real fights you don't have stations to dock up in. Your logistics have to be placed carefully in a fight, because there is no concord to save them if they start getting shot. Bubbles can pin down an entire fleet to die. Bombers can wipe out a fleet before it ever fires a shot. Capitals might show up at any time to start dealing massive damage. Cyno's might go up to bridge in an entire hostile fleet right ontop of you while you're vulnerable. You could spend a week listing all the small things required to fight in 0.0. Highsec is just "Enemies sitting on the station. Jam their logis. Shoot them until they dock up. We win."
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Hroya
38
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:11:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing.
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. You cannot remove neutrals from your overview, so it only shows these people, because to eve -everyone- is neutral in some form or another. So why even have that button? We also got a ton of laughs out of people getting concorded for shooting us, because the overview doesn't display a reliable difference between pods that can and can't be shot (They're both red lol).
Concord doesn't work: So many laughs watching highsec pilots die shooting us. It's like a gamble for us. We get shot, maybe concord decides to shoot back at them, even though we legally can be shot. So many tears there. Concord is so broken it's wonderful.
Faction Police don't work: We had a lot of trouble with this one. Faction police randomly attacking everything that undocked, regardless of sec status. People that had been concorded getting attacked by faction police even with good sec status. People who previous had bad sec status getting faction policed even though it was good now. Faction police are so wonderfully broken.
Wardecs don't work. CCP does nothing to exploiters of this: Wardec system is a bad joke. You can easily dupe it in so many ways to your advantage. CCP does nothing about this apparently. Highlights from this were losing an entire fleet to Concord, when we shot a wardec fleet... despite getting no concord warning. Wardec pilots who sat on the undock killing us with impunity, because Concord didn't technically recognize them as a valid target, so we couldn't fire back. The -real- highlight from this was a hilarious hour long back and forth conversation we had with a GM, while we were sitting in space tackled by bugged wardecs we couldn't shoot. With no way to do anything but remote-rep each other while they shot us. The GM had -no idea- what the problem was, how to fix it, or what to do about it. Highsec is wonderful~
IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild!
Err .. i think you have a few things mixed up here buddy. High sec is carebear country, it's the place for easy game bla bla. Now you want to convince everyone that it's actually one of the hardest area's to live in because of "broken" mechanics etc ?
Geesh, if what you say is true then we all should take a step back and re-evaluate the label "carebear" then.
In conclusion to your conclusion, high sec is the danger zone and null is where the carebears went. Noted and thank you for your feedback.
You go your corridor but. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1131
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:12:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Everything about Highsec fighting is just simplified real fights. There are no dictors and drag bubbles to worry about. You can sit safely on a station at all times and dock up when things go bad. Your logistics are effectively immune from being hurt in any way, as long as you park them on a station. You never have to worry about a cyno opening and another fleet pouring in onto the field. Capitals are non-existent. There were no starbases for us to worry with fighting on. We didn't have to worry about positioning the fleet to avoid bombs, because they don't exist in highsec. It's literally combat with training wheels for Eve.
In real fights you don't have stations to dock up in. Your logistics have to be placed carefully in a fight, because there is no concord to save them if they start getting shot. Bubbles can pin down an entire fleet to die. Bombers can wipe out a fleet before it ever fires a shot. Capitals might show up at any time to start dealing massive damage. Cyno's might go up to bridge in an entire hostile fleet right ontop of you while you're vulnerable. You could spend a week listing all the small things required to fight in 0.0. Highsec is just "Enemies sitting on the station. Jam their logis. Shoot them until they dock up. We win."
Spot on.
Don't forget that every single kill in nullsec is the product of a long hunt, a game of cat and mouse fought with probes and guile. Barring complete stupidity, you have to work for your kills, not throw a wardec out and wait for them to undock. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1131
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:13:00 -
[46] - Quote
Hroya wrote:
Err .. i think you have a few things mixed up here buddy. High sec is carebear country, it's the place for easy game bla bla. Now you want to convince everyone that it's actually one of the hardest area's to live in because of "broken" mechanics etc ?
Geesh, if what you say is true then we all should take a step back and re-evaluate the label "carebear" then.
In conclusion to your conclusion, high sec is the danger zone and null is where the carebears went. Noted and thank you for your feedback.
your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired.
He's calling highsec broken and easy. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:14:00 -
[47] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. From what I see on EVEkill, you apparently only saw eight ships worth killing. One was a freighter that you and the other 142 pilots that killed it must be real proud of. So.. you killed one expensive ship. Interesting. Did I miss something here? Or are you all blather and buzzy bee time. Mr Epeen
Killing is an exaggerated term. I only got into a combat ship to run off wardecs when they bothered to show up (Which they rarely did). The only legit kill I participated in was the hilarious ganking of a freighter with thrashers. And we just did that because it seemed like something funny to do, and people said thrashers couldn't do enough damage to do it.
I ran one of the fleets that specifically focused on killing freighters for most of the weekend. So a lot of the freighter kills you see from Jita, I scanned down, picked the target, and gave the orders to fire. But since I had more combat ships at my command than it took to kill a single ship, there was no point in me personally firing. Then I'd have to get another character out to scan more ships while this one waited out his concord. |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:15:00 -
[48] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:... it was a refreshing easy-mode for us, when it works. The overview shows you who you can and can't shoot in ships, and you just shoot them. ... Not long ago I heard someone state overview didn't work in highsec?
GeneralDisturbed wrote:... Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. ... But well, I as a highsec dweller would be able to comprehend, would I? |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
37
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:18:00 -
[49] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote: Trufax
A Goon making valid points? Normal? On meth it is.
Not even once. In Manticore we Trust |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
Romar Agent wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:... it was a refreshing easy-mode for us, when it works. The overview shows you who you can and can't shoot in ships, and you just shoot them. ... Not long ago I heard someone state overview didn't work in highsec? GeneralDisturbed wrote:... Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. ... But well, I as a highsec dweller would be able to comprehend, would I?
You're missing the point of what I was saying. The overview doesnt work because it does not reliably give you the information it should, as it does in 0.0. You cannot remove neutrals from it, to focus specifically on one type of enemy. You check "Remove Neutrals" and it removes everything. That isn't to say you can't do some silly convoluted process of adding color tags and flashing backgrounds and such, to pick out who you should be shooting. And even then as I pointed out, that system will still give false information. As the people who got concorded trying to kill goon pods can attest. For whatever reason, the options to only show wardecs doesn't work as it should. Like a lot of things in highsec.
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Bernie Nator
Talocan Hive Talocan United
242
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:42:00 -
[51] - Quote
Isn't high sec that place people go to sell blue loot and melted nanoribbons? That's my experience with it anyways. |
Burning Furry
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:51:00 -
[52] - Quote
I fly in high-sec because i have a life outside eve.
To join a 0.0 corp, you must be active at all hours, and any inactivity at all will get you branded a spy and booted from the corp.
I have a job, gf, hobbies and other games. This doesn't leave sufficient time to stroke alliance boss e-peen. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3956
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:52:00 -
[53] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:Mister Vee can wipe out a fleet before it ever fires a shot.
ftfy "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3956
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:52:00 -
[54] - Quote
Burning Furry wrote:I fly in high-sec because i have a life outside eve.
To join a 0.0 corp, you must be active at all hours, and any inactivity at all will get you branded a spy and booted from the corp.
I have a job, gf, hobbies and other games. This doesn't leave sufficient time to stroke alliance boss e-peen.
hahahaha people believe this "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Burning Furry
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:54:00 -
[55] - Quote
Andski wrote:Burning Furry wrote:I fly in high-sec because i have a life outside eve.
To join a 0.0 corp, you must be active at all hours, and any inactivity at all will get you branded a spy and booted from the corp.
I have a job, gf, hobbies and other games. This doesn't leave sufficient time to stroke alliance boss e-peen. hahahaha people believe this
I'm sure some corps aren't like this, but i'm not willing to risk losing all my stuffs in locked stations to find out.... |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:56:00 -
[56] - Quote
The OP made legit points about broken mechanics.
The tears and trash talk that followed were genuinely hilarious, and not because they had wit. . |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1132
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Posted - 2012.05.01 07:56:00 -
[57] - Quote
Burning Furry wrote:To join a 0.0 corp, you must be active at all hours, and any inactivity at all will get you branded a spy and booted from the corp.
I have a job, gf, hobbies and other games. This doesn't leave sufficient time to stroke alliance boss e-peen.
Don't get me wrong, i'd love to join 0.0, and have been there in the past and loved it!
But its just not feasible unless you have ridiculous amounts of time to devote to it.
Hi. I play about 2-8 hours a week, sometimes disappear for multiple weeks, just started dating a nice girl, and don't bother with the e-peen waving (though I love trolling). Nice to meet you.
Join a reasonable alliance. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:00:00 -
[58] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Everything about Highsec fighting is just simplified real fights. There are no dictors and drag bubbles to worry about. You can sit safely on a station at all times and dock up when things go bad. Your logistics are effectively immune from being hurt in any way, as long as you park them on a station. You never have to worry about a cyno opening and another fleet pouring in onto the field. Capitals are non-existent. There were no starbases for us to worry with fighting on. We didn't have to worry about positioning the fleet to avoid bombs, because they don't exist in highsec. It's literally combat with training wheels for Eve.
In real fights you don't have stations to dock up in. Your logistics have to be placed carefully in a fight, because there is no concord to save them if they start getting shot. Bubbles can pin down an entire fleet to die. Bombers can wipe out a fleet before it ever fires a shot. Capitals might show up at any time to start dealing massive damage. Cyno's might go up to bridge in an entire hostile fleet right ontop of you while you're vulnerable. You could spend a week listing all the small things required to fight in 0.0. Highsec is just "Enemies sitting on the station. Jam their logis. Shoot them until they dock up. We win."
Spot on. Don't forget that every single kill in nullsec is the product of a long hunt, a game of cat and mouse fought with probes and guile. Barring complete stupidity, you have to work for your kills, not throw a wardec out and wait for them to undock.
not sure if troll or just really wierd |
Mahoosiv
Ardent Spirits Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:04:00 -
[59] - Quote
Burning Furry wrote:I fly in high-sec because i have a life outside eve.
To join a 0.0 corp, you must be active at all hours, and any inactivity at all will get you branded a spy and booted from the corp.
Simply not true, please look at a proper alliance.
Ditto the point about stations - npc nullsec is just fine - you don't HAVE to put all your stuff in a sov station you know. |
Liam Mirren
496
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:06:00 -
[60] - Quote
A good post by a Goon, hell just froze over.
You're right though, all the flagging and overview issues have been around for years, someone should be red to me but just doesn't happen, trying to attack him gives me a warning message etc etc. CCP is not capable of mending these issues it seems and the new ideas they're proposing don't help with it either. It probably has to do with none of the DEVS being actual PVPers who run into these problems. You have to realise that the issues that exist (and they do exist) obviously get exaggerated by the excess lag of you being in/around Jita and having 457457839457 space friends on grid trying to shoot the same target and/or getting shot at.
On your "pff, 0.0 is just plain better" I disagree, it's different and caters to different people. Me personally I couldn't do being in a 500 man fleet with people yapping, morons, annoying fucks and being a tiny cog in the machine, not anymore. I prefer not to "just follow orders" based on space politics which effectively is nothing but "if you're not with us you're against us". So in my case I live in high sec, have some fun with idiots and do the occasional roam into WH/0.0 to get some kills, the fact that I live in high sec means I can adjust my level of taking the game serious as I want, when I want. If I can be bothered I'll go into WH/0.0 and if I want to take it easy I do some "fishing" like can flipping, mission busting and the occasional wardec against idiots (this is where my income comes from) and just chill out.
To put it more trollish: "0.0 is for people who take the game too serious, who love being told what to do and who agree to being an insignificant tiny cog". Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3957
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:13:00 -
[61] - Quote
Burning Furry wrote:i'm not willing to risk losing
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Spectre Seti
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:18:00 -
[62] - Quote
Wall of text !!! ... but I bet that behind the ironic tone lie the big river of tears goons always had . |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
616
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:14:00 -
[63] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nephilius wrote:Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec. We work to keep it safe. You didn't earn concord's protection. lol CONCORD don't protect they are repercussions to your actions. Only thing that protects highsec from you...is you; its like being punished for doing something dangerous as a child by your parents they didn't want you to do...you learned to not do it because it would bring more repercussions if you did. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3958
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:26:00 -
[64] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:Andski wrote:Nephilius wrote:Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec. We work to keep it safe. You didn't earn concord's protection. lol CONCORD don't protect they are repercussions to your actions. Only thing that protects highsec from you...is you; its like being punished for doing something dangerous as a child by your parents they didn't want you to do...you learned to not do it because it would bring more repercussions if you did.
your opinion is of no consequence sorry "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:51:00 -
[65] - Quote
Aqriue wrote:Andski wrote:Nephilius wrote:Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec. We work to keep it safe. You didn't earn concord's protection. lol CONCORD don't protect they are repercussions to your actions. Only thing that protects highsec from you...is you; its like being punished for doing something dangerous as a child by your parents they didn't want you to do...you learned to not do it because it would bring more repercussions if you did.
Or if you're goons you spend a weekend killing 518billion in assets with throwaway ships, then go back to 0.0 where there are no police to stop you from fighting whoever you want, whenever you want, however you want. |
Burning Furry
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:57:00 -
[66] - Quote
Andski wrote:Burning Furry wrote:i'm not willing to risk losing
"sigh" Sorry, i forgot, aim of the game is to bet the entire stack on red, every time....
Anyhoo...If i play 5 hours a week, join a crappy alliance to get booted for inactivity, and lose my ratting ship, pvp ships etc, then how long is it going to take me to replenish these and go try pot-luck again?
Its not about being risk adverse, its about the ******* waste of time that goes with it.
And for those saying reasonable Alliance, suggestions? |
Burning Furry
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:59:00 -
[67] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:[quote=Aqriue]
Or if you're goons you spend a weekend killing 518billion in assets with throwaway ships, then go back to 0.0 where there are no police to stop you from fighting whoever you want, whenever you want, however you want.
tbh, 518bill doesn't sound very impressive. For all the hype and asshattery, i was expecting trillions. Big let-down. |
Alotta Cleavage
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:03:00 -
[68] - Quote
TL:DR 0.0 player says HighSec is broken/sucks.
Solution:Stay in 0.0 |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company The Veyr Collective
87
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 15:14:00 -
[69] - Quote
a goon complaining about not being able to set up his overview properly lolol
you're doing it wrong |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3959
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 15:14:00 -
[70] - Quote
Burning Furry wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:[quote=Aqriue]
Or if you're goons you spend a weekend killing 518billion in assets with throwaway ships, then go back to 0.0 where there are no police to stop you from fighting whoever you want, whenever you want, however you want. tbh, 518bill doesn't sound very impressive. For all the hype and asshattery, i was expecting trillions. Big let-down.
keep moving the goalposts "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company The Veyr Collective
87
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:15:00 -
[71] - Quote
ill give you a hint gooney
use standings |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3959
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:22:00 -
[72] - Quote
Potamus Jenkins wrote:ill give you a hint gooney
use standings
you're obviously clueless but w/e that wasn't even the problem "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:22:00 -
[73] - Quote
Dear god are we really comparing nullsec and 0.0, you pissants wouldn't last a second in lowsec. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company The Veyr Collective
87
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:25:00 -
[74] - Quote
Andski wrote:Potamus Jenkins wrote:ill give you a hint gooney
use standings you're obviously clueless but w/e that wasn't even the problem
im clueless?
Quote:Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. You cannot remove neutrals from your overview, so it only shows these people, because to eve -everyone- is neutral in some form or another.
you have a guy saying the above and im clueless? ok i dont have any problem doing exactly what he says above but im clueless.
idiots |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1139
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:32:00 -
[75] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Dear god are we really comparing nullsec and 0.0, you pissants wouldn't last a second in lowsec.
MFW TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:50:00 -
[76] - Quote
pls pls stop it all of u, my sides can't take it anymore.
amazing that a large alliance is so concerned over highsec, nothing to do in null? everyone all blue to u?
never understood what the big problem is over highsec and null, those who want to go to null do so, those that don't, stay in highsec.
so much complaining cos one side is so upset that the other isn't playing the way they do, so many tears from both sides.
I remember when I first started and Null was the main goal, after being in null and having some fun and frolics boredom set in with blob warfare and RL and a change of play style, I decided to stay in highsec and be a carebear until "I" change my mind.
It's a sad affair when large alliances have to come to highsec to get their kicks, what happened to taking out other alliances and taking their nullsec space? oh yeah easy targets are way better. I do miss the Goon v BoB fights, and no I wasn't in BoB but that's whats needed again, another large alliance with balls to have a go back at the goons...no im not a goon either, just miss the fun fights these guys got upto.
Pity its come to this and sad that probs most of the nullsec alliances are blue to each other. |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:53:00 -
[77] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild!
* Living where it is SOP to scurry for cover like roaches the second someone pops up in local. * Politics and the associated foolishness. * The hair-raising excitement of sitting in a blob and hitting F1 occasionally.
...where do I sign up?
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Varesk
Mafia Redux Black Legion.
43
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:08:00 -
[78] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:Romar Agent wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:... it was a refreshing easy-mode for us, when it works. The overview shows you who you can and can't shoot in ships, and you just shoot them. ... Not long ago I heard someone state overview didn't work in highsec? GeneralDisturbed wrote:... Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. ... But well, I as a highsec dweller would be able to comprehend, would I? You're missing the point of what I was saying. The overview doesnt work because it does not reliably give you the information it should, as it does in 0.0. You cannot remove neutrals from it, to focus specifically on one type of enemy. You check "Remove Neutrals" and it removes everything. That isn't to say you can't do some silly convoluted process of adding color tags and flashing backgrounds and such, to pick out who you should be shooting. And even then as I pointed out, that system will still give false information. As the people who got concorded trying to kill goon pods can attest. For whatever reason, the options to only show wardecs doesn't work as it should. Like a lot of things in highsec.
You can set up your overview so neutrals are not shown. You can also set it up so only war targets show up.
Since you were just ganking stuff your overview should have been set to war targets and then locked the target from the Broadcast. If you would like I can point you a great website that helps with overview settings.
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Blobber NL
The Ultima Thule
5
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:12:00 -
[79] - Quote
/me votes goon tears for best tears. |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company The Veyr Collective
87
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:13:00 -
[80] - Quote
Varesk wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Romar Agent wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:... it was a refreshing easy-mode for us, when it works. The overview shows you who you can and can't shoot in ships, and you just shoot them. ... Not long ago I heard someone state overview didn't work in highsec? GeneralDisturbed wrote:... Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. ... But well, I as a highsec dweller would be able to comprehend, would I? You're missing the point of what I was saying. The overview doesnt work because it does not reliably give you the information it should, as it does in 0.0. You cannot remove neutrals from it, to focus specifically on one type of enemy. You check "Remove Neutrals" and it removes everything. That isn't to say you can't do some silly convoluted process of adding color tags and flashing backgrounds and such, to pick out who you should be shooting. And even then as I pointed out, that system will still give false information. As the people who got concorded trying to kill goon pods can attest. For whatever reason, the options to only show wardecs doesn't work as it should. Like a lot of things in highsec. You can set up your overview so neutrals are not shown. You can also set it up so only war targets show up. Since you were just ganking stuff your overview should have been set to war targets and then locked the target from the Broadcast. If you would like I can point you a great website that helps with overview settings.
its us, not them
we are the clueless ones
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1712
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:17:00 -
[81] - Quote
Varesk wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Romar Agent wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:... it was a refreshing easy-mode for us, when it works. The overview shows you who you can and can't shoot in ships, and you just shoot them. ... Not long ago I heard someone state overview didn't work in highsec? GeneralDisturbed wrote:... Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. ... But well, I as a highsec dweller would be able to comprehend, would I? You're missing the point of what I was saying. The overview doesnt work because it does not reliably give you the information it should, as it does in 0.0. You cannot remove neutrals from it, to focus specifically on one type of enemy. You check "Remove Neutrals" and it removes everything. That isn't to say you can't do some silly convoluted process of adding color tags and flashing backgrounds and such, to pick out who you should be shooting. And even then as I pointed out, that system will still give false information. As the people who got concorded trying to kill goon pods can attest. For whatever reason, the options to only show wardecs doesn't work as it should. Like a lot of things in highsec. You can set up your overview so neutrals are not shown. You can also set it up so only war targets show up. Since you were just ganking stuff your overview should have been set to war targets and then locked the target from the Broadcast. If you would like I can point you a great website that helps with overview settings.
The problem isn't removing neutrals from the overview, that's easy.
The problem is that once you have it set that way many of your other settings no longer work properly.
Let me try and remember a good example. If you have neutrals removed, you no longer see Outlaw (-5) targets properly even when they are prioritized properly. There are many other examples as well.
The overview has several well documented problems in this regard, and the issue with not being able to return fire on war targets is flat out a bug that needs to be fixed.
If you don't know what the issue is, stop commenting on it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company The Veyr Collective
87
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:18:00 -
[82] - Quote
nope wrong. use corp/alliance standings. you can successfully only show "war targets" (or whatever standing you want to see) minus neutrals. keep swinging though its hilarious |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
853
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:19:00 -
[83] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:Concord doesn't work: So many laughs watching highsec pilots die shooting us. It's like a gamble for us. We get shot, maybe concord decides to shoot back at them, even though we legally can be shot. So many tears there. Concord is so broken it's wonderful.
GeneralDisturbed wrote:Wardecs don't work. CCP does nothing to exploiters of this: Wardec system is a bad joke. You can easily dupe it in so many ways to your advantage. CCP does nothing about this apparently. Highlights from this were losing an entire fleet to Concord, when we shot a wardec fleet... despite getting no concord warning. Wardec pilots who sat on the undock killing us with impunity, because Concord didn't technically recognize them as a valid target, so we couldn't fire back.
So as long as a bug causes a major disadvantage to your enemies and not you it is all gravy? I see. When one appears that causes a disadvantage to you, then it is 'those evil exploiters QQ' and batphone a GM about it.
GeneralDisturbed wrote:And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve
I find it amusing that a majority of the players would rather be in high sec dealing with the game mechanics there than going to null sec and forced into the Forever War. The game is a sandbox you know. Not everyone likes to play the way you think the game should be played.
So from all of us high sec, low sec and w-space players, go **** yourself. We will play the game how we want to play it. Not how you think we should play it.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1712
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:21:00 -
[84] - Quote
Potamus Jenkins wrote:nope wrong. use corp/alliance standings. you can successfully only show "war targets" (or whatever standing you want to see) minus neutrals. keep swinging though its hilarious
War targets are also easy.
Actually read what is posted, try it yourself, then come back and apologize.
We'll wait.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Varesk
Mafia Redux Black Legion.
43
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:26:00 -
[85] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
The problem isn't removing neutrals from the overview, that's easy.
The problem is that once you have it set that way many of your other settings no longer work properly.
Let me try and remember a good example. If you have neutrals removed, you no longer see Outlaw (-5) targets properly even when they are prioritized properly. There are many other examples as well.
The overview has several well documented problems in this regard, and the issue with not being able to return fire on war targets is flat out a bug that needs to be fixed.
If you don't know what the issue is, stop commenting on it.
my bad,
click the show -5 sec status box. that will make them show up on your overview along with war targets.
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Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company The Veyr Collective
87
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:26:00 -
[86] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Potamus Jenkins wrote:nope wrong. use corp/alliance standings. you can successfully only show "war targets" (or whatever standing you want to see) minus neutrals. keep swinging though its hilarious War targets are also easy. Actually read what is posted, try it yourself, then come back and apologize. We'll wait. ok ill just pretend i dont have my overview already set up to not show neutrals(in my case i have one that shows only "terrible" and "bad" standing for high sec war) which is exactly what the OP is complaining about.
but please carry on |
SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
1
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 16:27:00 -
[87] - Quote
Never had any problems setting up my overview...still set my overview as if i was still in null, and i have no problems with it...and im a ******* carebear! |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company The Veyr Collective
87
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 16:27:00 -
[88] - Quote
Varesk wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
The problem isn't removing neutrals from the overview, that's easy.
The problem is that once you have it set that way many of your other settings no longer work properly.
Let me try and remember a good example. If you have neutrals removed, you no longer see Outlaw (-5) targets properly even when they are prioritized properly. There are many other examples as well.
The overview has several well documented problems in this regard, and the issue with not being able to return fire on war targets is flat out a bug that needs to be fixed.
If you don't know what the issue is, stop commenting on it.
my bad, click the show -5 sec status box. that will make them show up on your overview along with war targets.
its like they are too thick to realise the need to set standings for people they are at war with and then adjust overview accordingly.
im gonna go back to being clueless |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1713
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 16:34:00 -
[89] - Quote
SNeAkYbRiT wrote:Never had any problems setting up my overview...still set my overview as if i was still in null, and i have no problems with it...and im a ******* carebear!
I do this as well, I leave neutrals visible.
When you are a combat pilot you need to have everyone visible that is a valid target or person of interest, and filter out those who are not. This would include not only war targets, people with bad standings, people with bad sec status or outlaw status.
In Null, obviously, neutrals are a valid target and it is left enabled. In High sec this puts a lot of useless clutter in the overview.
Disabling neutrals, no matter the priority settings, obscures some of your valid targets. It is quite possible that you don't realize this because you simply don't see them to begin with. So unless there has been a stealth fix in the last couple of months there are still issues with the overview settings.
I'm sure it works just fine if the only thing you need to be aware of are war targets. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
42
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:48:00 -
[90] - Quote
Andski wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing. I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes inside cargo bait, he was so greedyy even probably rich because he living in 0.0... He die and he come back with faction cruiser to get revenge, and after 3min i kill him again. Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overwiev ;) Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland. lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics?
About as much as you like hiding behind a zerg force instead of using skill. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1713
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:50:00 -
[91] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Andski wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing. I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes inside cargo bait, he was so greedyy even probably rich because he living in 0.0... He die and he come back with faction cruiser to get revenge, and after 3min i kill him again. Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overwiev ;) Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland. lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? About as much as you like hiding behind a zerg force instead of using skill.
Let me get this straight.
Players working together to protect themselves and impose order in a region where the game offers no protections = bad.
Broken game mechanics that keep people from shooting valid targets (even war targets) = good.
Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
SNeAkYbRiT
Gunslingers Corp
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:53:00 -
[92] - Quote
PvP died along time ago in this game, all it is now is blob on blob, should it be BvB now? |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:06:00 -
[93] - Quote
You're quite right, sir. Highsec pvp sounds awful and could do with a fixer upper. The rules of engagement are just massively confusing, so I simply don't engage at all. Atleast null and WH space is clearcut. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:17:00 -
[94] - Quote
Andski wrote:Burning Furry wrote:i'm not willing to risk losing
I THINK that "risk averse" behavior YOU see is generated by "the number one rule in EVE" that you should "never fly what you cant afford to replace" and WE dont have access to tech moons that generate infinite income. What is it, 190 Rifters a second? Or is it more now? |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
81
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 17:31:00 -
[95] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nephilius wrote:Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec. We work to keep it safe. You didn't earn concord's protection.
Hey why dont you post on ur main? I think we all know who he is given you both were missing from the game for about thirty days as ppl keep telling me Me? Yeah this is my main. Highsec noob pubbie an all
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
81
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 17:33:00 -
[96] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:Concord doesn't work: So many laughs watching highsec pilots die shooting us. It's like a gamble for us. We get shot, maybe concord decides to shoot back at them, even though we legally can be shot. So many tears there. Concord is so broken it's wonderful.
EVE Stig wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:
This is a viewpoint I can't understand. Highsec players live in a system protected under the blanket of faction police, and Concord.
Oh cmon, pretend youre not trolling you already disproved this in your OP
Theres a point here I can sense it...
and let us hav as many quotes as we want. forced doubleposting is annoying
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3961
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 17:34:00 -
[97] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Andski wrote:Burning Furry wrote:i'm not willing to risk losing I THINK that "risk averse" behavior YOU see is generated by "the number one rule in EVE" that you should "never fly what you cant afford to replace" and WE dont have access to tech moons that generate infinite income. What is it, 190 Rifters a second? Or is it more now?
it's more like 50 rifters a minute "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3961
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 17:35:00 -
[98] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Andski wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing. I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes inside cargo bait, he was so greedyy even probably rich because he living in 0.0... He die and he come back with faction cruiser to get revenge, and after 3min i kill him again. Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overwiev ;) Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland. lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? About as much as you like hiding behind a zerg force instead of using skill.
yeah that's why your alliance is known for all of its conquests and triumphs, because of skill
lol "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3961
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 17:37:00 -
[99] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:So from all of us high sec, low sec and w-space players, go **** yourself. We will play the game how we want to play it. Not how you think we should play it.
you're grouping wormhole dwellers with hisec pubbies and the lowsec groups that didn't quite cut it in nullsec
lmao "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
43
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 19:08:00 -
[100] - Quote
Andski wrote:Twulf wrote:Andski wrote:Cloned S0ul wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing. I remember guy who trip form 0.0 acros empire and he steal my fake plexes inside cargo bait, he was so greedyy even probably rich because he living in 0.0... He die and he come back with faction cruiser to get revenge, and after 3min i kill him again. Most of null carebaras after comeback to empire are stoned because they got no idea how empire works they cry because of neutrals or bad overwiev ;) Also go back to your 0.0 carebearland. lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? About as much as you like hiding behind a zerg force instead of using skill. yeah that's why your alliance is known for all of its conquests and triumphs, because of skill lol
Please show me where I said anything about my alliance? Oh right, you cant stay on subject because that would mean using your brain and we all know you dont have a brain, they even made a move about it. |
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Bane Necran
399
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:35:00 -
[101] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs.
They stay there because it's the only place they can just do their own thing, aren't just another name in a blob, and don't have people screaming at them about CTA's and whatnot.
I understand MMOs are supposed to be social, but alliances full of thousands of people aren't very social, either. There's something called the monkeysphere which explains why this is. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
|
Posted - 2012.05.01 20:17:00 -
[102] - Quote
The amount of :mad: in this topic now is amazing. I honestly just thought it would be interesting to make a topic from the point of view of someone who absolutely never goes to highsec. Was curious if CCP would comment at all on the list of broken mechanics I put up there. They seemed utterly unable to do anything about most of it all weekend.
But go on throwing a fit about "nullbears" and how the overview supposedly does work if you go through the convoluted process to set it up the highsec way, and blobbing and whatever else. Jesus. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
158
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:32:00 -
[103] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:The amount of :mad: in this topic now is amazing. I honestly just thought it would be interesting to make a topic from the point of view of someone who absolutely never goes to highsec. Was curious if CCP would comment at all on the list of broken mechanics I put up there. They seemed utterly unable to do anything about most of it all weekend.
But go on throwing a fit about "nullbears" and how the overview supposedly does work if you go through the convoluted process to set it up the highsec way, and blobbing and whatever else. Jesus.
High Sec overview works fine. Just not for NBSI. Nobody at CCP ever said EVE was supposed to be an NBSI game where anything that moves is your enemy. That was just the easiest way to play the game so null sec adopted it out of a lazy unwillingness to manage their standings. |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
375
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:40:00 -
[104] - Quote
Andski wrote:Nephilius wrote:Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec. We work to keep it safe. You didn't earn concord's protection.
I'm sure you do. Given that it's most assuredly not a nine to five though, the word 'work' seems to be a little excessive, don't you think? Especially if you guys have the time and boredom to leave your holding behind and screw with people minding their own business for months on end. But then again, the whole thing really is a Catch-22...if it's dangerous, that makes you incompetent, and if it's safe, that makes the whole risk vs reward argument one big steaming pile of horse manure. So yeah...
Oh, and you can have CONCORD...I haven't used it in a very long time. To call me a Carebear is a misnomer...while it is true that I am hairy like a bear (or two russian women), I really don't care.-á Like, at all.-á Call me an Apathybear.-á Just don't call if you need assistance. |
Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT Numquam Ambulare Solus
49
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Posted - 2012.05.01 20:44:00 -
[105] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Everything about Highsec fighting is just simplified real fights. There are no dictors and drag bubbles to worry about. You can sit safely on a station at all times and dock up when things go bad. Your logistics are effectively immune from being hurt in any way, as long as you park them on a station. You never have to worry about a cyno opening and another fleet pouring in onto the field. Capitals are non-existent. There were no starbases for us to worry with fighting on. We didn't have to worry about positioning the fleet to avoid bombs, because they don't exist in highsec. It's literally combat with training wheels for Eve.
In real fights you don't have stations to dock up in. Your logistics have to be placed carefully in a fight, because there is no concord to save them if they start getting shot. Bubbles can pin down an entire fleet to die. Bombers can wipe out a fleet before it ever fires a shot. Capitals might show up at any time to start dealing massive damage. Cyno's might go up to bridge in an entire hostile fleet right ontop of you while you're vulnerable. You could spend a week listing all the small things required to fight in 0.0. Highsec is just "Enemies sitting on the station. Jam their logis. Shoot them until they dock up. We win."
Spot on. Don't forget that every single kill in nullsec is the product of a long hunt, a game of cat and mouse fought with probes and guile. Barring complete stupidity, you have to work for your kills, not throw a wardec out and wait for them to undock.
I'd have to say that wormhole space is far riskier than 0.0. True, there aren't cynos to tumble a fleet in, but rather uncontrolled and unpredictable openings appearing without warning. How about we remove local from null space and call it even ?
J-space, what null wants to be when it grows up.
If only we could fall into a woman's arms
without falling into her hands |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
499
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Posted - 2012.05.01 21:47:00 -
[106] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Spot on.
Don't forget that every single kill in nullsec is the product of a long hunt, a game of cat and mouse fought with probes and guile. Barring complete stupidity, you have to work for your kills, not throw a wardec out and wait for them to undock. The experience that a lot of nullsec people get of highsec wardecs isn't particularly representative of how wars between two highsec entities actually work because the means are are effective for getting kills against nullsec alliances in highsec are totally different to those that are effective against highsec alliances.
Nullsec folks in highsec are almost always going to/from jita from/to the nearest highsec exit to friendly nullsec. They also typically aren't even remotely aware that anyone can shoot them in highsec, are completely alone, don't check local before undocking even if they know they are at war, aren't flying combat ships and will almost never have a friendly fleet coming to help them.
Because highsec corps actually do stuff in highsec other than fly between two preset points, aren't constantly in the single busiest, laggiest system in the game, are normally aware that they can be attacked, and actually put fleets together to fight their wars, sitting on a station in a tornado isn't exactly an effective tactic. Actively hunting individual corp members down with locator agents and neutral covops alts is the norm as is trying to get fleets to engage you under unfavorable circumstances by hiding as many of your assets as possible via neutral characters and log-off traps.
Whether or not you like highsec wars, the people who d they are more complicated than sitting on the 4-4 undock, although it may not appear that way to someone who's sole experience of highsec wars is being blown up on the 4-4 undock.
I challenge anyone to actually do highsec wardecs and then say with a straight face that no work is involved in getting kills. |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
127
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:23:00 -
[107] - Quote
Didnt read your post but I would like you better if your name was General Disarray. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Ursula Thrace
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:46:00 -
[108] - Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pUSIjdvTIY
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Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:50:00 -
[109] - Quote
Maybe it was ****** up because there was 2000 of you idiots in there? Also, op is sadistic, he got pleasure from others pain. Freak. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Dervinus
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:19:00 -
[110] - Quote
Keep up the lords work GD THE DOVITANI FOR CSM |
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Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
129
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:22:00 -
[111] - Quote
Ursula Thrace wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pUSIjdvTIY
I saw him on a HBO documentary once, pretty sure it was "I dont like this place, the drugs dont work here" though. I think he's a troll, acting crazy for free room and board and drugs.
Me and a friend were tripping balls and a mentally and phisically handicapped guy told his story... all I remember of him is he said people often ask him if he bated, he said of course he masturbated why wouldnt he.. May not sound odd but take into consideration his phisical appearance and with a head full of shrooms, was maybe the craziest **** I ever saw.
BTW kids do not go into a assisted living home on drugs, you will regret it one day. best just stay away from drugs prescription or other. Pot is ok imho. I dont really miss those days, had alot of fun in my youth though. I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
809
|
Posted - 2012.05.02 00:31:00 -
[112] - Quote
Liam Mirren wrote:
To put it more trollish: "0.0 is for people who take the game too serious, who love being told what to do and who agree to being an insignificant tiny cog".
If an alliance member is a tiny cog in an awesome machine, then a highsec shitlord is a tiny cog inside a pile of randomly sized cogs that can't seem to work together in any meaningful way.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
175
|
Posted - 2012.05.02 00:38:00 -
[113] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:Pres Crendraven wrote:Interesting viewpoint. I for one never like playing a game with to many rules either. This kind of client/server behavior has just been confusing in the past. I really knew it wouldn't pass a stress test and was waiting to hear where it was broken.
There's a certain game to breaking the rules though. Some people enjoy it. Whole professions are built on trying to break them or taking advantage of CCP's confusion.
I do have to say that your description begins to make 0.0 look like easy mode. I guess it really would be if you didn't have to pay for your own ships or lead yourself. I played WOW for a few hours and joined this dungeon gang and we happily hopped around with our gay swirling colors blindly following our leader. There was no thought or repercussions. It must be the closest thing I can come up with as to what it must be like to play on your team. Sounds like a relaxed way to kill a couple hours, Thanks for the invite to your dungeon. Can I just send you ISK or contract HULKS? This is a viewpoint I can't understand. Highsec players live in a system protected under the blanket of faction police, and Concord. The only people who can even shoot at you have to wardec you first. And then you can just use neutral corps, or some other form of wardec shielding. I live in an eve where every person can shoot you, at any time, for any reason. There is no police to protect you. No wardecs to let you know they're hunting you. One minute you're on an op, the next you have a cyno open and capitals pouring into your head from someone who just thought it would be fun to do so.
And you run like a crying baby with your tail between your legs whining. It works both ways, the only way goons stay and fight is when you outnumber at least 2:1 but the usual is 3:1 then bring the rhetoric 'make your own huge alliance to fight us'.
Stop hiding in a presumptuous corageous shell you attempt to portray when you're just as a coward as anyone else when the odds don't benefit you the difference is you have to always watch your back, while the others in high sec don't always have to. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
810
|
Posted - 2012.05.02 00:44:00 -
[114] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote: And you run like a crying baby with your NPC alt between your legs whining.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
176
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:53:00 -
[115] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:The amount of :mad: in this topic now is amazing. I honestly just thought it would be interesting to make a topic from the point of view of someone who absolutely never goes to highsec. Was curious if CCP would comment at all on the list of broken mechanics I put up there. They seemed utterly unable to do anything about most of it all weekend.
But go on throwing a fit about "nullbears" and how the overview supposedly does work if you go through the convoluted process to set it up the highsec way, and blobbing and whatever else. Jesus.
On the list of broken mechanics (apart from wardecs) the only real broken mechanic (if you can call it) is the black screen of death, which already made me loose a few baddons when jumping through gates on reinforced nodes and 1600+ in local on null sec, so it's not something that only happens in high sec.
About everything else, your issues are only a direct result of your lack of knowledge about setting up the game properly to where you are playing in. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
176
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Posted - 2012.05.02 00:54:00 -
[116] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote: And you run like a crying baby with your NPC alt between your legs whining.
Yay the NPC alt card, yay for sand throwing when no arguments are given to refut one comment, the 'muscle' sentence when brains are lacking. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
811
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:00:00 -
[117] - Quote
You see, the NPC alt card is valid because,
Alexandra Alt wrote:
Stop hiding in a presumptuous corageous shell you attempt to portray when you're just as a coward as anyone else when the odds don't benefit you the difference is you have to always watch your back, while the others in high sec don't always have to.
Posting with a NPC alt so that we can't know who you are (and find you and murder you forever) means that you permanently forfeit the right to mention courage and cowardice in an attempt to discredit your opponent.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
177
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:03:00 -
[118] - Quote
Sonny, Amarr come and visit me, same name, do your best.
Krios Ahzek wrote:You see, the NPC alt card is valid because, Alexandra Alt wrote:
Stop hiding in a presumptuous corageous shell you attempt to portray when you're just as a coward as anyone else when the odds don't benefit you the difference is you have to always watch your back, while the others in high sec don't always have to.
Posting with a NPC alt so that we can't know who you are (and find you and murder you forever) means that you permanently forfeit the right to mention courage and cowardice in an attempt to discredit your opponent.
Btw, this is no different that e-bullying btw, so you exercise muscle to refute the arguments you still can't with your brain.
You're so e-tough aren't you ? |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
811
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:09:00 -
[119] - Quote
Just post with your main I'm lazy.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
177
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:16:00 -
[120] - Quote
No I won't as my main is not my forum likes collector.
About the small talk we had, all I have to say is HTFU and pull your brains out of your as* if you want to discuss with me anything about what I post.
About the goons witch hunt, gg for confirming the muscle before brain american stereotype you guys already have, I forgot to add, muscle before brains when outnumbering.
Besides, I love to **** you brainless morons and then hear you guys whine whine whine alt whine whine find you pew pew whine whine keep trying. |
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Alexa Coates
The Scope Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:59:00 -
[121] - Quote
can you guys stop, no one actually cares. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
816
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:02:00 -
[122] - Quote
Alexa Coates wrote:can you guys stop, no one actually cares.
Sometimes I can't even be bothered to look down before saying ''No.''
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
859
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:15:00 -
[123] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:can you guys stop, no one actually cares. Sometimes I can't even be bothered to look down before saying ''No.''
It is amusing to watch an alliance who once stood against those with an elite attitude, turn into the very thing they hated the most. You guys are not goons. At least, not anymore.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
817
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:17:00 -
[124] - Quote
Don't get me wrong, I am only an elitist about posting.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian Pinked
75
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:22:00 -
[125] - Quote
Thanks goons I dislike jita strongly, and it needs to die in a large fire of autocannons I Endorse this Product and/or Service [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580[/url] |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
287
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:47:00 -
[126] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:can you guys stop, no one actually cares. Sometimes I can't even be bothered to look down before saying ''No.'' It is amusing to watch an alliance who once stood against those with an elite attitude, turn into the very thing they hated the most. You guys are not goons. At least, not anymore.
I find it even more amusing that people think just because we're better than them, we're somehow elite.
Look when it comes to space ships: We're borderline ********. The only reason we win is because our fleets are funny so people keep showing up to them. The fact that we win despite being completely stupid is more of a reflection on how absolutely terrible our enemies are than it is a reflection on how good we are.
So I guess I'm confirming that you don't get us. |
Tenebrae Syrennis
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:55:00 -
[127] - Quote
Andski wrote:Aqriue wrote:Andski wrote:Nephilius wrote:Andski wrote:lol hisec mission runners telling us to go back to carebearland
how do you like hiding behind broken mechanics? Feels about the same as harvesting massive amounts of isk in vast areas of space, relatively risk-free, unmolested by one's enemies, all the while hiding behind the claim that there is nothing but risk in Nulsec. We work to keep it safe. You didn't earn concord's protection. lol CONCORD don't protect they are repercussions to your actions. Only thing that protects highsec from you...is you; its like being punished for doing something dangerous as a child by your parents they didn't want you to do...you learned to not do it because it would bring more repercussions if you did. your opinion is of no consequence sorry
Nice ad hominem, bru.
All the more so because the one you're directing it at is...wait for it...right.
You're so predictable in your shitposting, Andski.
"I am a one-note man, I play it all I can..." (Paul L. Arnoldi)
OP: Learn to sandbox, kbai.
Is urp-splosion tyme naow? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:02:00 -
[128] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. Buy a computer that works...
Quote: Overview doesn't work Learn how to configure it. I'll get my 9 year old nephew to mail you...
Quote:IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. No you just have to deal with melodrama, politics and every one looking everywhere for spies... |
Tenebrae Syrennis
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:06:00 -
[129] - Quote
Andski wrote:Burning Furry wrote:I fly in high-sec because i have a life outside eve.
To join a 0.0 corp, you must be active at all hours, and any inactivity at all will get you branded a spy and booted from the corp.
I have a job, gf, hobbies and other games. This doesn't leave sufficient time to stroke alliance boss e-peen. hahahaha people believe this
Because it's all too true in the experience of many of us.
Nullsec itself is great, want moar!
The dickbags who own much of it...Thanks, I'll pass: Been there/done it, wasn't overly impressed.
Is urp-splosion tyme naow? |
Tenebrae Syrennis
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:09:00 -
[130] - Quote
Garven Dreis wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote: Trufax
A Goon making valid points? Normal? On meth it is. Not even once.
'Cept he isn't.
He's just whinging about having to actually think and pay attention about/to what he's doing without having some walking pile of diseased ego do it for him.
Sov-null is easy-mode in many ways, and if you can't figure out for yourself just how, then...well, then, I'm afraid I really can't help you. Is urp-splosion tyme naow? |
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:15:00 -
[131] - Quote
Tenebrae Syrennis wrote:Andski wrote:
your opinion is of no consequence sorry
Nice ad hominem, bru. All the more so because the one you're directing it at is...wait for it... right.You're so predictable in your shitposting, Andski. "I am a one-note man, I play it all I can..." (Paul L. Arnoldi) OP: Learn to sandbox, kbai.
Let me explain; We all start posting on eveonline.com with the best of intentions, but soon, your horrible ways nudge us farther into the Weaselior school of posting. Our posting evolves. We hide our valid points inside one liners and outright insults. We recognize that effort is useless in the face of such ignorance. We forgo all capitalization and punctuation in an attempt to waste less time answering the fruits of the terrible blabbering ellipsoid fat sacks which you erroneously call fingers.
you are irrelevant
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Tenebrae Syrennis
The Scope Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:19:00 -
[132] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:Concord doesn't work: So many laughs watching highsec pilots die shooting us. It's like a gamble for us. We get shot, maybe concord decides to shoot back at them, even though we legally can be shot. So many tears there. Concord is so broken it's wonderful. GeneralDisturbed wrote:Wardecs don't work. CCP does nothing to exploiters of this: Wardec system is a bad joke. You can easily dupe it in so many ways to your advantage. CCP does nothing about this apparently. Highlights from this were losing an entire fleet to Concord, when we shot a wardec fleet... despite getting no concord warning. Wardec pilots who sat on the undock killing us with impunity, because Concord didn't technically recognize them as a valid target, so we couldn't fire back. So as long as a bug causes a major disadvantage to your enemies and not you it is all gravy? I see. When one appears that causes a disadvantage to you, then it is 'those evil exploiters QQ' and batphone a GM about it. GeneralDisturbed wrote:And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve I find it amusing that a majority of the players would rather be in high sec dealing with the game mechanics there than going to null sec and forced into the Forever War. The game is a sandbox you know. Not everyone likes to play the way you think the game should be played. So from all of us high sec, low sec and w-space players, go **** yourself. We will play the game how we want to play it. Not how you think we should play it.
This. So very much this.
Marlona, please stand for election in CSM8, kthxbai.
Is urp-splosion tyme naow? |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
306
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:28:00 -
[133] - Quote
Andski wrote:
[...] groups that didn't quite cut it in nullsec
lmao
Same lame, tired, pathetic delusion, every ******* time.
Get a bloody grip, bru, it's a video-game. One that, in terms of design and implementation, is...very average, at best.
That's all it is despite what your incompetent little lick-spittles in Reykjavik want everyone to believe. Braaaaaaaiiin... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3972
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:34:00 -
[134] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:can you guys stop, no one actually cares. Sometimes I can't even be bothered to look down before saying ''No.'' It is amusing to watch an alliance who once stood against those with an elite attitude, turn into the very thing they hated the most. You guys are not goons. At least, not anymore.
we are not "elite pvpers" and we do not pretend to be
i hope i have enlightened you on this subject "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
306
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:45:00 -
[135] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:Tenebrae Syrennis wrote:Andski wrote:
your opinion is of no consequence sorry
Nice ad hominem, bru. All the more so because the one you're directing it at is...wait for it... right.You're so predictable in your shitposting, Andski. "I am a one-note man, I play it all I can..." (Paul L. Arnoldi) OP: Learn to sandbox, kbai. Let me explain; We all start posting on eveonline.com with the best of intentions, but soon, your horrible ways nudge us farther into the Weaselior school of posting. Our posting evolves. We hide our valid points inside one liners and outright insults. We recognize that effort is useless in the face of such ignorance. We forgo all capitalization and punctuation in an attempt to waste less time answering the fruits of the terrible blabbering ellipsoid fat sacks which you erroneously call fingers. you are irrelevant
While alt-posting is a storied and time-honoured tradition hereabouts, it is generally considered sporting to be a bit less brazen about, Weasellior.
So did you find something productive to do during your ban?
E:
You forgot about italics, by the way.
E2:
NO U (there, did I do it right?) Braaaaaaaiiin... |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
823
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:52:00 -
[136] - Quote
i am not weaselior but i did get a few weeks of ban last month for posting about *****
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
823
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:55:00 -
[137] - Quote
see this is how you generate dramatic tension
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
308
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:14:00 -
[138] - Quote
*****!!! Braaaaaaaiiin... |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
827
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:15:00 -
[139] - Quote
it is a word directly related to world war two
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
308
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:21:00 -
[140] - Quote
Andski wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:can you guys stop, no one actually cares. Sometimes I can't even be bothered to look down before saying ''No.'' It is amusing to watch an alliance who once stood against those with an elite attitude, turn into the very thing they hated the most. You guys are not goons. At least, not anymore. we are not "elite pvpers" and we do not pretend to be i hope i have enlightened you on this subject
No, you're just a bunch of self-important twats with the maturity of 10-year-olds who take a video-game far more seriously than any intelligent adult should.
So what's it like being an MMOG cliche, anyway?
Next! Braaaaaaaiiin... |
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
818
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:21:00 -
[141] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:it is a word directly related to world war two
Quit Stalin and tell us what it was. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
827
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:23:00 -
[142] - Quote
i tried it's literally censored i can however say that ****** was their leader
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:30:00 -
[143] - Quote
I find it interesting the amount of people claiming my lack of knowledge of highsec is somehow at fault for the list of things I put on here. Even after having it confirmed by other highsec dwellers. We know Concord and Faction Police are both bugged, because we had petitions to CCP from both and their admittance that they didn't know how to fix the problems. Also other topics by other highsec people discussing being shot by concord because the overview had been changed to display non-wardec pods as a valid target for killing. And the topics about people being concorded for no real reason after attacking us, when we were valid targets.
It's always amusing to see the list of people willing to come into a thread for no other purpose than to insult goons (I see this in every thread from a goon or related to a goon in any way) regardless of what the actual facts say. Since I'm a goon, I'm simply a blobber and a nullbear who couldn't possibly know anything about highsec, so all the issues I listed no longer exist.
If you say there is some way of setting up global standings and such to remove neutrals from the overview in highsec I'll take your word for it, I didn't stay long enough to do it. And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve, I can't imagine the hassle it would be on our diplomats to do so. Which still only confirms my belief that it's a problem, when you can't simply check "Remove neutrals" and everyone who doesn't have standings set in some way though your alliance, is taken immediately off your overview. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
820
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:32:00 -
[144] - Quote
You didn't appreciate my subtle and masterfully-executed pun about the resemblance of a WW2-era Soviet premier's name to the present participle of a word meaning "to delay" which contained within it many layers of subtle and ironic humour.
I'm going to add you to my expansive list of people I cry bitter internet tears over. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
828
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:34:00 -
[145] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:You didn't appreciate my subtle and masterfully-executed pun about the resemblance of a WW2-era Soviet premier's name to the present participle of a word meaning "to delay" which contained within it many layers of subtle and ironic humour.
I'm going to add you to my expansive list of people I cry bitter internet tears over.
it was quite good but i am saddened at the lack of equal censorship of all totalitarian ww2 leaders
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
820
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Posted - 2012.05.02 04:37:00 -
[146] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:it was quite good
You have been summarily removed from the list of people I cry bitter internet tears over.
Krios Ahzek wrote:but i am saddened at the lack of equal censorship of all totalitarian ww2 leaders
So ideally you'd want Churchill, Roosevelt and De Galle censored as well?
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
631
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:06:00 -
[147] - Quote
Hisec is like the kiddie pool in your local swimming hall. Populated by babies and fat mothers, and decorated by floating poo.
Unfortunately our shopping malls are floating there in the middle of the poo, and sometimes one just has to endure the terribleness. But when that time comes, you just go fast in, fast out and keep your mouth tightly shut.
Only part of hisec pvp that makes any sense is RvB. Only idiots try to do any sort of "real PVP" in hisec. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
119
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Posted - 2012.05.02 07:46:00 -
[148] - Quote
Poke fun, tease, laugh? Naw...
It's kind of like that movie Waterworld -- "the ground doesn't move" and "land sickness". If you stuck around, you'd get over it in time but it's not too comfortable for you.
Nullsec is different - as different as empire. SOV lands aren't the same as NPC just like highsec doesn't operate the same as lowsec.
The fact that people split k-space into 3 vs 4 -- that is simply "old history carried forward" just like calling it nullsec, null or 0.0 -- "true sec" showing changed that but the old name is still used. Calling it that usually does not refer to just dangerous portions when referenced like you did. Those from NPC space tend to mention the NPC part - often as a sign of pride in the distinction.
You could think of it as "the cowards hide in SOV while the pirates live in NPC". SOV null is often portrayed as some of the safest space in the game. Bots easily automate dock-up when a non-friendly comes into the system and the like.
As such, SOV null is the equivalent to highsec for that space - so some of your comparisons do fit to that extent.
Disabling of viewing flags in highsec isn't smart. You'll find more threats from neutrals than any other type of flag showing in your overview. Blocking blues can work but not the rest.
Just think of it as running with heavily infested AFK cloakers around. They may be dangerous or not. You get used to it.
Wardecs messed up?
Meh... that' is a "work in progress" right now. The mechanics are well understood by those who get involved in them so anything you bumped into is probably nothing shocking to others. Why the hell do you think people said "it's all messed up" for so long? *snicker*
The concord and navy glitches... That could be due to any number of issues. It could boil down to a simply case type clause that validates conditions and is missing one type of response: "not now" - as in a busy/locked process error returned - with a fall through to a default of concordonk.
Then again it might involve muti-threaded processes running separate queue stacks with prioritization of what to do first (transmit data higher than validate target - or whatever) As such, it could be a simple fix, that's tough to find/reproduce, or one so convoluted that fixing it might add lag to all of highsec.
That is programmer crap to deal with and takes source code to know what the hell is what. Good luck to the devs on this stuff - finding sporadic glitches in complex code is ... like a case of hemorrhoids. Not something you want to sit on for too long but that can be tough to avoid.
As you saw; when they think they can fight, some highsec folks will or you wouldn't have stumbled on that glitch.
No, highsec isn't just cowardly carebears anymore than my earlier statement about NPC vs SOV intimated about your home. We do have a lot but so do you - but you don't have glitches like that to put up with. Just afk cloakers and we do get to hear way to much about them on these forums. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
864
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:55:00 -
[149] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve
Pretty sure you have the largest nap train the game has ever seen before, so stop trolling.
Anyways, it has been rather enjoyable to watch you QQ in this thread and see all your other friend run in here to try and help you save face.
Once again, please understand this is a sandbox game and there is many, many different ways to play it. Just because everyone does not think like you and want to play the game the same way you do, does not in fact mean a bad thing.
S A N D B O X.
Like it or don't like it, you got to learn to love it, because that is just the way it is.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.05.02 09:22:00 -
[150] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote: IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild!
You guys constantly recruitment scamming people who are trying to move to 0.0 probably isn't helping. Although as well known as your scams are I don't feel sorry for the victims. Just saying it's pretty hypocritical to sit there and tell people to move to 0.0 while simultaneously trying your best to prevent people from doing that. |
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GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.05.02 09:52:00 -
[151] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve Pretty sure you have the largest nap train the game has ever seen before, so stop trolling. Anyways, it has been rather enjoyable to watch you QQ in this thread and see all your other friend run in here to try and help you save face. Once again, please understand this is a sandbox game and there is many, many different ways to play it. Just because everyone does not think like you and want to play the game the same way you do, does not in fact mean a bad thing. S A N D B O X.Like it or don't like it, you got to learn to love it, because that is just the way it is.
Nothing you just said had anything to do with this thread, anything I've said, or anything anyone else has said related to the topic at hand. But good job coming into a thread to whine just because it's a goon thread.
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GeneralDisturbed
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.05.02 10:03:00 -
[152] - Quote
Corbin Blair wrote: You guys constantly recruitment scamming people who are trying to move to 0.0 probably isn't helping. Although as well known as your scams are I don't feel sorry for the victims. Just saying it's pretty hypocritical to sit there and tell people to move to 0.0 while simultaneously trying your best to prevent people from doing that.
I don't know anything about any scams, and have never scammed anybody myself. As for moving to 0.0, regardless of what people believe, goons don't own all of eve not highsec. There's plenty of 0.0 to move into and plenty of alliances to join to live there.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
379
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Posted - 2012.05.02 10:25:00 -
[153] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:
IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild!
See my sig.
We don't have broken Sov mechanics...
WH's - apparently the only part of Eve not broken...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.02 10:27:00 -
[154] - Quote
Saw that neat issue you guys had where you had a GM on speed dial. You get the number from SirMolle? |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2012.05.02 10:29:00 -
[155] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:can you guys stop, no one actually cares. Sometimes I can't even be bothered to look down before saying ''No.'' It is amusing to watch an alliance who once stood against those with an elite attitude, turn into the very thing they hated the most. You guys are not goons. At least, not anymore. I find it even more amusing that people think just because we're better than them, we're somehow elite. Look when it comes to space ships: We're borderline ********. The only reason we win is because our fleets are funny so people keep showing up to them. The fact that we win despite being completely stupid is more of a reflection on how absolutely terrible our enemies are than it is a reflection on how good we are. So I guess I'm confirming that you don't get us.
You mean this fun !?
http://i.imgur.com/quoUI.jpg
And are the fleets still funs after this campaign of you guys having all your nerd hormones jumping like a maniac when you hear a girls voice ?
http://i.imgur.com/rKrbM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6FxdR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/yu3Qe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t0BXU.jpg
Even internally you guys are terrible.... |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2012.05.02 10:49:00 -
[156] - Quote
GeneralDisturbed wrote:I find it interesting the amount of people claiming my lack of knowledge of highsec is somehow at fault for the list of things I put on here. Even after having it confirmed by other highsec dwellers. We know Concord and Faction Police are both bugged, because we had petitions to CCP from both and their admittance that they didn't know how to fix the problems. Also other topics by other highsec people discussing being shot by concord because the overview had been changed to display non-wardec pods as a valid target for killing. And the topics about people being concorded for no real reason after attacking us, when we were valid targets.
The lack of knowledge everyone's been talking about has to do with all the cases you brought up. The overview config is not the best, but, there's ways to go around it and make it work, you just don't know it. Furthermore, several situations (except 1 that had to be hotfixed) where you ended up screwing GCC/Agression etc, are generally lack of knowledge about how rules of engangement work on High Sec, and you're just blaming it on bugs where there are no bugs (as I said, except for the pod killing with sec status above -5 and no message when attacking).
GeneralDisturbed wrote: It's always amusing to see the list of people willing to come into a thread for no other purpose than to insult goons (I see this in every thread from a goon or related to a goon in any way) regardless of what the actual facts say. Since I'm a goon, I'm simply a blobber and a nullbear who couldn't possibly know anything about highsec, so all the issues I listed no longer exist.
This is a direct result of 2 things:
a) your own post, you post in such a condescending tone that you'r insulting everyone for instance:
Quote: Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there.
Well guess what, others look down on goons, as they represent a stereotype that many don't like which leads to 2nd thing. b) You are a goon, and history tells us goons primary form of human interaction (spoken or written) is or revolves around insults with the intent to harass and/or troll, you don't like it, leave goons.
GeneralDisturbed wrote: If you say there is some way of setting up global standings and such to remove neutrals from the overview in highsec I'll take your word for it, I didn't stay long enough to do it. And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve, I can't imagine the hassle it would be on our diplomats to do so. Which still only confirms my belief that it's a problem, when you can't simply check "Remove neutrals" and everyone who doesn't have standings set in some way though your alliance, is taken immediately off your overview.
There are no standings and neutrals in overview settings, as I said, system isn't perfect, could be better, you need to go around and make it suit your needs, just add standings to people, alliance or corp or player, there's also tabs where you can change quickly for exceptions and above all you can work with brackets and overview to have 2 different systems of visual queues pending the situation.
Overviews for null are very easy to make, for high sec, not so much, the things you need to pay attention too are different, each require different things to get used to, you're just criticizing high sec because it's harder to setup your overview ? Well others diss high sec because it's easy mode, not so easy mode now is it? |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:Recently spent a few days in empire killing everything I saw that looked expensive. Was good times. But it made me remember just why living in 0.0 is so nice for us, and why we look down on people who live there. Nothing in empire works. Nothing.
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Overview doesn't work: In 0.0 the overview is simple. You set it so blues aren't displayed. The only people on your overview at any time, aren't blue to you. And you kill them. That's how 0.0 works. In empire there are only certain people you can shoot at any given time, and there is no reliable way to see them on the overview. You cannot remove neutrals from your overview, so it only shows these people, because to eve -everyone- is neutral in some form or another. So why even have that button? We also got a ton of laughs out of people getting concorded for shooting us, because the overview doesn't display a reliable difference between pods that can and can't be shot (They're both red lol).
Concord doesn't work: So many laughs watching highsec pilots die shooting us. It's like a gamble for us. We get shot, maybe concord decides to shoot back at them, even though we legally can be shot. So many tears there. Concord is so broken it's wonderful.
Faction Police don't work: We had a lot of trouble with this one. Faction police randomly attacking everything that undocked, regardless of sec status. People that had been concorded getting attacked by faction police even with good sec status. People who previous had bad sec status getting faction policed even though it was good now. Faction police are so wonderfully broken.
Wardecs don't work. CCP does nothing to exploiters of this: Wardec system is a bad joke. You can easily dupe it in so many ways to your advantage. CCP does nothing about this apparently. Highlights from this were losing an entire fleet to Concord, when we shot a wardec fleet... despite getting no concord warning. Wardec pilots who sat on the undock killing us with impunity, because Concord didn't technically recognize them as a valid target, so we couldn't fire back. The -real- highlight from this was a hilarious hour long back and forth conversation we had with a GM, while we were sitting in space tackled by bugged wardecs we couldn't shoot. With no way to do anything but remote-rep each other while they shot us. The GM had -no idea- what the problem was, how to fix it, or what to do about it. Highsec is wonderful~
IN CONCLUSION: Empire is so hilariously broken. And I find it amusing that people still live there when 0.0 is open to anybody that wants to come make a place for themselves in the real part of eve, where you don't have to deal with broken stations, buggy police, broken concord, and non-working wardecs. Feel free to share your own thoughts about living in such a terribad place, or come be :mad: about losing freighters to me. Go wild!
Got to agree Jita TiDi was a live beta that showed alot o crap was broken. Expect more crud breaking with Inferno
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March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:21:00 -
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Shivus Tao wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:
Stations don't work: The first day or so we were there, you couldn't undock from the stations without immediately going to blackscreen and having to relog. It made scanning and killing industrials very easy, let me tell you. As they sat there with their holds full of faction mods and tengu subsystems.
Sounds more like a problem of people playing on Pentium III's. C2D Q9550 here but time by time i get black screens on undock even in 0.0 space....
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March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:30:00 -
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Andski wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:If you can't handle hi sec then stay in 0.0 and visa versa.
Can't be simpler.
"if you can't handle being shot at by wardecs who you cannot shoot back at, stay in 0.0" ... said on of suicide gankers, industrials- and hulks-murders?
how it feels to be on the other end of gun?
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
638
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Posted - 2012.05.02 11:58:00 -
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confirming overview is and always has been a terrible, terrible thing. If one thing needs an overhaul its that.
Preferably the current overview should be poisoned then shot and then put into a ditch to be set on fire to erase all evidence of its passing. After this a new overview should be programmed. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Burning Furry wrote:i'm not willing to risk losing you know: this is quite a little amount of words to read. Is it your upper limit?
My 6 years old daughter can read 10-15 words in 1 sentence. You should train more |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:50:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:It's always amusing to see the list of people willing to come into a thread for no other purpose than to insult goons. I don't do that. I don't know any and frankly have problems with none....... Carry on...
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
501
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:00:00 -
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Nullsec alliance members arguing with NPC corp alts about how highsec works.
That's really what this thread has come down to. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
309
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:09:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:GeneralDisturbed wrote:And we have so many enemies in so many locations of eve Pretty sure you have the largest nap train the game has ever seen before, so stop trolling. Anyways, it has been rather enjoyable to watch you QQ in this thread and see all your other friend run in here to try and help you save face. Once again, please understand this is a sandbox game and there is many, many different ways to play it. Just because everyone does not think like you and want to play the game the same way you do, does not in fact mean a bad thing. S A N D B O X.Like it or don't like it, you got to learn to love it, because that is just the way it is. Nothing you just said had anything to do with this thread, anything I've said, or anything anyone else has said related to the topic at hand. But good job coming into a thread to whine just because it's a goon thread.
Actually, yes it does.
That you can't/won't see this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
You goons are so very, very...sheltered.
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