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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3967
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:40:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Andski wrote:if you want to be secure from espionage require everyone in your alliance to sign an NDA and submit verifiable proof of their real-life identities
i'm sure the masses will flock right in And a player created NDA wouyld hold in which court again?
a real one considering that a violation would be a breach of a real contract?
that's assuming that anybody would even be bothered to enter into such an agreement over a video game
"WeGGVre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
212
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:if you want to be secure from espionage require everyone in your alliance to sign an NDA and submit verifiable proof of their real-life identities
i'm sure the masses will flock right in
I wonder if you're playing what I think you might be playing.
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Oberlyn Oahl
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.05.01 22:44:00 -
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Messoroz wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Geil Ding wrote:I am not a layer but a programmer with a Masters degree in Software Engineering. An important topic is "ethics". We, as programmers, are often asked to build something that is against privacy laws. Our duty is to point this out and even refuse to help with breaking the law..
In this case CCP did not, intentionaly, break any laws.. as the API was build with a good intention. But right now, parts of the API, are abused in breaking laws. CCP needs to act on this, maybe even change the API.
In almost every country it is against the law to make private information public, like mails. Nobody will go to court over this, thats for sure. I hope CCP received the message and will act upon and do the "ethical" thing. You sent those mails to members of your alliance. Those members are free to do what they want with those mails. This is not exactly true in some cases. If you sent an email to someone in confidence with the expectation of privacy and the content turns out to be damaging and is deliberately made publc by the recipient, the recipent has broken the law. While he will probably not go to jail, he could lose quite a bit in court depending on the damages. It can only be damaging in the world of eve. Unless you are having an affair THROUGH EVE MAILS THROUGH ALLIANCE MAIL then no judge will even take the case. They will laugh at you. You have no damages from something in a video game.
*Sniff*... But I thought... Eve is real! |
Crash Raindog
GWA Corp
Unified Church of the Unobligated
8
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:03:00 -
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Just curious, does the OP conduct alliance business in local as well? |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
579
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:08:00 -
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Geil Ding wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Geil Ding wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Can someone please just post an image of the API key creation page where you need to purposefully check mail messages for them to be included and end this thread?
I'd do it but I'm lazy and tired and today's a holiday so I'm watching movies. I miss the option where MY mails are excluded from the API of another player. Aside of the legal aspect, what do you think what will happen with the ingame features "corp mail" and "alliance mail" when sites like these will become more common? If you stop pretending there's a legal aspect I'm happy to explain this to you. I am no layer, but as a developer I ain't allowed to make certain information public. This website and the use of the API has red flags all over them. I just here to point the red flags for you guys to make an educated decision. As a player I really find this wrong. Meta gaming and spying has always been a part of EvE, but this is wrong. There is no interaction anymore, everything is automated.
You are def not a layer. |
Internet Lawyer Steve
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:16:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:
High-sec game mechanics? We know all about them and are truly experts at this. In fact, we know more about them than any of you pubbies do. Observing your statements, I have rejected you to be truly an expert of high-sec game mechanics and therefore move to disbar you from practicing any "interweb laws" in or outside the game.
There are posts about your FCs not knowing how aggression transfers to neutral players. Posts about how Overviews were to confusing or did not work properly. I could keep going but that would take time.
As a member of DekCo, You know all about exploits, lagging local clients, pushing f1, playing docking games in VFK and my favorite the "Blue Balls" or otherwise known in New Eden as " We dont outnumber you 5 - 1 so we are not going undock then pretend we won because we couldnt get enough people in fleet".
Internet Lawyer Steve and Associates,
Bringing Justice to New Eden, One post at a time... |
Flakey Foont
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:19:00 -
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Someone butthurt invoking legality....again.
And using "wir haben es nicht gewusst" is pretty low. |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:21:00 -
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Internet Lawyer Steve wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:
High-sec game mechanics? We know all about them and are truly experts at this. In fact, we know more about them than any of you pubbies do. Observing your statements, I have rejected you to be truly an expert of high-sec game mechanics and therefore move to disbar you from practicing any "interweb laws" in or outside the game.
There are posts about your FCs not knowing how aggression transfers to neutral players. Posts about how Overviews were to confusing or did not work properly. I could keep going but that would take time. As a member of DekCo, You know all about exploits, lagging local clients, pushing f1, playing docking games in VFK and my favorite the "Blue Balls" or otherwise known in New Eden as " We dont outnumber you 5 - 1 so we are not going undock then pretend we won because we couldnt get enough people in fleet".
Exploits? Prove this.
Lagging local clients? Prove this again.
You are free to report any of these actions to CCP. Oh wait, you aren't going to.
Besides, VFK is ours and we are free to do what we want to do with it as we please. If you disagree, you are free to seize VFK and kick us out of the station.
There are posts by our FC's? Such as who? Dabigredboat? Are you refering to the Thorn Syndicate war declaration exploit where they declared as a corporation within an alliance and GSF could not attack back because it was not a proper war declaration so they were free to attack GSF at will without Concord intervention. CCP personally had intervened in this and nullified the war declaration and fixed it themselves at DT.
Again, we are better at high-sec than you are. We just do not live in high-sec because A) It is dumb B) you are a bunch of carebears that scream foul everytime we gank you babies. Also we had an efficiency rate of 4-1 against freighters and targets alike. Where's your record? Oh wait, you're just a terrible pubbie who reads EN24 and think they are 100% accurate in their reporting.
You know what you are? A terrible pubbie. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.01 23:56:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote::words: Sorry I am no layer
This is awesome, could you teach the other CCPs like Phantom and guard to be awesome as well? |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
811
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:12:00 -
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roboto212 wrote:
For the record I am no layer too.
In the sense that you never have and never will lay with a woman, that is strictly correct.
-aThough All Men Do Despise Us |
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
815
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:15:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote::words: Sorry I am no layer This is awesome, could you teach the other CCPs like Phantom and guard to be awesome as well?
He can't the other devs weren't Goonfleet CEOs.
-aThough All Men Do Despise Us |
roboto212
Hull Breach Inc.
Double Tap.
23
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:44:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:roboto212 wrote:
For the record I am no layer too.
In the sense that you never have and never will lay with a woman, that is strictly correct.
lol that's about the wittiest thing i have ever heard from a goon. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
815
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Posted - 2012.05.02 01:50:00 -
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roboto212 wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:roboto212 wrote:
For the record I am no layer too.
In the sense that you never have and never will lay with a woman, that is strictly correct. lol that's about the wittiest thing i have ever heard from a goon.
Read more goon posts then, I'm not even close to being the Tyrion Lannister of GoonWaffe.
-aThough All Men Do Despise Us |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:02:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:La Nariz wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote::words: Sorry I am no layer This is awesome, could you teach the other CCPs like Phantom and guard to be awesome as well? He can't the other devs weren't Goonfleet CEOs.
CCP Devs should be forced to go through a posting gauntlet in FYAD. |
Tarn Kugisa
Space Mongolian
Pinked
75
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:08:00 -
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Quote:Quote:Quote:Aruken Marr wrote:Quote:Internet lawyers...
I Endorse this Product and/or Service
[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16580[/url] |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
385
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:23:00 -
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I like this, I only wish it would happen in game more instead of the forums all the time.
Ferox #1 |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.05.02 02:58:00 -
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Geil Ding wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Can someone please just post an image of the API key creation page where you need to purposefully check mail messages for them to be included and end this thread?
I'd do it but I'm lazy and tired and today's a holiday so I'm watching movies. I miss the option where MY mails are excluded from the API of another player. Aside of the legal aspect, what do you think what will happen with the ingame features "corp mail" and "alliance mail" when sites like these will become more common?
Once you send them to another person, they aren't 'your mails' anymore.
Still waiting for that law sweetheart. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:02:00 -
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Geil Ding wrote:
I am no layer, but as a developer I ain't allowed to make certain information public. This website and the use of the API has red flags all over them. I just here to point the red flags for you guys to make an educated decision.
As a player I really find this wrong. Meta gaming and spying has always been a part of EvE, but this is wrong. There is no interaction anymore, everything is automated.
Yes, because you signed an NDA preventing you from doing that. You voluntarily take on extra restrictions as part of your business. And if you choose to breach those regulations by sending the information to another person, the ISP is not liable and that third party has -no such restrictions- on them. (Excluding certain types of classified information)
So if you accidently mail the details on your next big corporate merger to someone from CNN and they publish it, the only person who is going to be hit by the law train is you. Not your ISP, not CNN, not the readers. Just you.
What you should be doing when you recruit a new person into your corp is fly to their house and make them sign an NDA, then you could legitimately sue them (not CCP!) for releasing your corporate secrets. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
820
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:05:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:La Nariz wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote::words: Sorry I am no layer This is awesome, could you teach the other CCPs like Phantom and guard to be awesome as well? He can't the other devs weren't Goonfleet CEOs. CCP Devs should be forced to go through a posting gauntlet in FYAD.
Careful what you wish for.
-aThough All Men Do Despise Us |
D3F4ULT
52
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Posted - 2012.05.02 03:10:00 -
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This indeed is why CCP Devs are the best devs. You can not troll a troll.
Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
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Spymaster Bates
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:23:00 -
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Quote:If you stop pretending there's a legal aspect I'm happy to explain this to you.
<3 the Devs.
I think we can be done with the thread.
Lessons learned since EvE Skunks Launch.
- Whiners gonna whine
- Leaking intel is fun
- The tears from this thread have sated my hunger for a small time
- EvE Devs are the best trolls
Twitter - @eveskunk |
Aglea Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.05.02 09:39:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:For clarification this appears to be them attempting to harvest API keys.
:edit: Well if by "harvest" I meant just openly asking for them
CCP Sreegs,
Does this mean the care bear tears will increase now ... it would seem while CCP hasn't endorsed it, there is no condemnation of it either... seeing as my account hasn't been banned/no cease and desist letter has been sent.
Also, I invite you to post your API for CCP Sreegs on the site, I'm sure we'd all love to see the alliance emails for CCP.... Surely there is a disgruntled employee somewhere in CCP! It will remain anonymous and no personal or corporate email will be published! |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
349
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:30:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:
Whilst I do not support the insanity of capsuleer Geil Ding; what would occur if you sent your mail to someone else who has chosen to unlock their neural interface? Would your communication not become visible? They could even simply copy the text and include it in a mail of their own.
There is an old earth saying: "If you would keep your secret from an enemy, tell it not to a friend."
Regards,
Shian Yang
One can easy put the blame then with the one who chose to unlock their neural interface.
However the initial blame lies with the one who chose to reveal his mail in the first place.
Older earth saying: " Don't blame the rock when you trip over it"
As soon I myself decide to reveal mails to someone, the responcebility I had to keep certain affairs safe and hidden still remained with me.
I choce to reveal the mails in the first place so any actions that come out of it remain my own responcebility.
The only actions I control are my own. For the rest I know or should have known that there is no control.
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Karbowiak
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:34:00 -
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All you whining idiots, do realise that.
1: This has always happened, albeit not in an open fasion like this
2: There is nothing in the EULA or TOS or otherwise that will save you, so you might aswell quit while you're ahead
3: Claiming international law in a video game is absurd, but sure, if you like that permanent black mark as being a ******** piece of ****, go for it
And finally
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Andrew W-K
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.05.02 12:43:00 -
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I do have some legal training (in the UK).
Sending mail in game, and given the nature of eve it could be expected that it would be posted to the world. If you send private data in eve you deserve whatever embarresment is handed to you.
What a nonsense thread. |
seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
155
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:44:00 -
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I love how even CCP came and shat on this thread , some people should actually read the EULA thoroughly before spewing crap like this on these forums, or just click decline to accepting it, at least that way we'd have more intelligence in this game than this  |
Geil Ding
Perkone
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:00:00 -
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You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.
Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends? |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
857
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:02:00 -
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But I use EVE mail to pay my bills and sign up for social security!
-aThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
350
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:29:00 -
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Geil Ding wrote:You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.
Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends?
Let's put it even simpler then, because you don't seem the brightest lightbulb used in the street.
If you don't want things leaked out then why do you make it possible to leak it out by giving certain information to others?
If you don't give personal information to anyone then how can it leak out?
The moment I decide to tell someone something private about me then it is me who voluntarely disclosed that. If I didn't want them to know then it can just as easy be my choice not to give that information.
You choose to disclose the information and with it also the risk that entrails.
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seany1212
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
155
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:31:00 -
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Geil Ding wrote:You know, the whole problem is not about game related mails made public but personal information about stuff like health. The API does not filter those out. A spy would never copy/paste personal information to a public website as it holds no "ingame value" to be used.
Let me ask this: If I would post links to illegal content, like movies, and eveskunk automatic make them public. Who would be wrong? Eveskunk for making links to illegal content public? CCP for helping eveskunk retreiving the mails? The person sharing the API? Or the person sending a personal mail to his/her friends?
You're blowing it completely out of proportion like you have for the entire thread, whoever is posting API's to that site are more than likely using alts because I know I wouldn't want personal gameplay messages posted there and considering eveskunk only posts alliance wide messages I don't know anyone who would alliancewide post links to illegal content when anyone else could just as easily report it to CCP and CCP pull it .
As stipulated in the EULA and several links in this thread any private information you post in any form in game is at your own risk and is then posted under the assumption that it is no longer private, DONT EVEMAIL IF YOU WANT ANYTHING KEPT RL PRIVATE.
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