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Straightoutacompton
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.30 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis 1: Your obviously not using spell checker and type like 5 year old. 2: You have zero evidence. 3: You forgot your tinfoil hat. 4: You epically failed to troll CCP.
Insider Trading is a term used to define the act of someone taking company information they work for and using that information on the stock market to turn a profit and making it look like they got damn lucky.
For you to use such a "Grownup term" in the context of EVE is laughable.
Everything is obviously pubilc knowledge as far as prices go... duh?
All you people who whine about CCP playing amongst you... where's your proof? All I see is you claiming they do this... and yet there is no proof.
Seriously...get a grip on reality well yah?
Even if they did.... your still not producing proof.. put up or shut the hell up.
1: You're* obviously not using spell checker and type like a* 5 year old. 2: You have zero evidence. 3: You forgot your tinfoil hat. 4: You epically failed to troll CCP.
Insider Trading is a term used to define the act of someone taking company information they work for and using that information on the stock market to turn a profit and making it look like they got damn lucky.
For you to use such a "Grown *up term" in the context of EVE is laughable.
Everything is obviously public* knowledge as far as prices go...duh?
All you people who whine about CCP playing amongst you...where's your proof? All I see is you claiming they do this... and yet there is no proof.
Seriously... get a grip on reality well yah?
Even if they did....you're** still not producing proof...put up or shut the hell up.
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Che Biko
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2009.03.30 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: InnerSphere However they might think its fun to get rich and wage wars on TQ. If even the IA team thinks its fun for them to wage wars we got a problem as it can get pretty unbalanced to fight someone with near unlimited isk. ... Question is , is it fun/allowed for them to wage/organise wars or not?
They might not be alone in thinking it's fun to get rich and wage wars on TQ. After all, a lot players try to do either or both, and I don't think CCP employees are any different.
I assume, because waging/organizing wars is (part of) the game, and they are allowed to play the game, they can wage/organize wars.
The rest of your post seems to say you have more of a problem with big alliances playing EVE than with CCP employees (about 0.5 % of all players, maybe) playing EVE. If your worried about getting into unbalanced fights in EVE, you have bigger fish to fry, so to speak.
P.S. even someone with "unlimited" resources can be defeated, so there, go back to playing 10 hours PVP a day.
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Qorrin
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.14 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Qorrin on 14/04/2009 11:45:03 Even if every CCP Dev was uber rich in game, it doesn't matter. Because there are many many many many many many many more players with loads of isk. Not to mention that the people that really swing the market, generally, only play the game for the market. Many of the player's I've spoken with over the years in this area or profession of the game generally don't have much they can spend their isk on anyway. You can only lose so many ships, or sink so much isk into something before it becomes boring.
Look at eve as it stands, even in my own situation, isk is not difficult to save up. Especially if you know what kind of person you are. As an example, I fly Hulks, Mackinaws, Orcas, Viators, Freighters, Ishtars and a Kronos. I understand that to be entertained in this game I do not need to have large amounts of isk. But the way in which I make that isk needs to be varied or I begin to lose my mind, get bored and play less.
This is all because I understand that 90% of eve is the process of making isk, 10% of eve is spending that isk. If you have unlimited isk, everything loses it's value and becomes stale and boring. If you have the ability to fly every ship, none feel like the right fit anymore.
So all of this leads up to....
CCP Devs most likely do not cheat or act inappropriately because,
1: IA is watching (this is a stated fact) 2: After t20, I'm sure CCP won't be very tolerant of any other shenanigans 3: They would lose interest after a short period of time
Ever played a game, enabled the 'god mode' and then suddenly realized the game was no longer entertaining?
Edit: Also eve is about the people you play with, if you play by yourself all the time you're missing the majority of the game. The best aspects of the game are done through team play, be it pvp, exploration, manufacturing, or anything. ISK does not equal good people to play the game with.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.14 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: InnerSphere ...affect eve on a global scale
They're not allowed to do that or have any major roles in player corporations, if they get caught the characters are deleted and they're reprimanded.
So your whole scenario is extremely unlikely. ---
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2009.04.15 04:30:00 -
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It's a game, who really cares?
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.04.15 05:22:00 -
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Somebody take a shotgun to this zombie before it starts eating peoples braaaaaaainnnnnnns ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
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Amish Juggernaut
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Research
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Posted - 2009.04.23 11:52:00 -
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I can place buy orders using the sensors embedded in my teeth.
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mazzilliu
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.24 04:54:00 -
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In case anybody forgot, the CSM was originally created in responce to the call made by players for some sort of independant auditing body. in all reality, i dont think ccp will ever let the CSM do something like that, all conspiracy theories aside. also i dont think elected players inherently have the experience to look at huge lists of transaction logs by ccp employees' chars and determine foul play or not, and the temptation to out them is there.
despite that i still support this idea. the CSM could be replaced with an online checkboxes poll in its current state.
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Aceru
Apellon
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Posted - 2009.04.24 05:21:00 -
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OH MY GOD NONE OF MY MODULES ARE SELLING!!!
CCP must be outselling me with their secret restricted economic information including the highest module drop locations and the best asteroid belts there are!
Supporting for the lulz.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.04.24 06:19:00 -
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Quote: In case anybody forgot, the CSM was originally created in responce to the call made by players for some sort of independant auditing body.
Not so much, actually. You will find out if you get to talk to them.
Quote: in all reality, i dont think ccp will ever let the CSM do something like that, all conspiracy theories aside. also i dont think elected players inherently have the experience to look at huge lists of transaction logs by ccp employees' chars and determine foul play or not, and the temptation to out them is there.
That's what Internal Affairs is for, not the CSM. You would know that if you read the CSM document which describes the CSM.
Quote: despite that i still support this idea. the CSM could be replaced with an online checkboxes poll in its current state.
Hence why that's something the CSM is working on changing.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.04.24 06:41:00 -
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Did it occur to you ******s (minus the people who laugh at this whole thread) that CCP doesn't need any ISK or any stupid anything?
They just snap there fingers and have the items they need.
It's called being a GM.... you know? Access to DB? Spawning Items?
Yeah?
DUH?
They don't need any frakking ISK! X O D
You people are hilarious.
BTW I'm selling Tin foil hats.... 1 Million ISK a piece... I'll even throw in an exotic dancer for yah....
Step right up! ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
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Karentaki
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.24 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: InnerSphere
Originally by: Drake Draconis
If you keep this up i will report you for harassment.
On topic: Proof: CCP CEO made public statement when the whole T2 incident went down that they will allways play on the live servers.
Thats enough to know that they are on the live servers and they are making isk for themselfs in eve. The question is how much isk? and do they use information they gained from working at ccp in their free time on their player characters.
We do not all have access to the same amount of information. For one markets are regional, resources required to construct something thats in development, ccp is allways first to know (way before it even getts on the test servers). The most information is inside the eve database, all trading is recorded its easy to keep track of market tendancys. So no we really dont have the same level of information as ccp.
And the question is aimed at ccp internal affairs, not someone like you obviously baised to believe nobody @ ccp ever does anything wrong (history has proven different allready, hence why the internal affairs was created).
1. Why would CCP need to make isk? They can spawn it with a single button press. 2. CCP know about changes before players? OH MY GOD! (see point 1) 3. The forums are not the preferred way to contact CCP internal affairs. Have you tried emailing them?
WTS tinfoil hats, only 99999999999 ISK (100 thousand ISK)
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EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Thercon Jair
Minmatar Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.04.25 16:18:00 -
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There somewhere is this Mittani TenTonHammer article about the first ever Titan belonging to Lotka Volterra, which was obviously an alliance led by a CCP employee. This was before the Internal Affairs bureau existed and as far as I know (and that's from reading the article), the employee needed to abbandon the character as obviously, one of the rules is that nobody can know you're a CCP employee, and that no CCP employee is allowed to lead an alliance.
As for other rules, I don't know. And about insider knowledge: all changes are known to the public before the changes go live, that is the reason why ships quadruple in price when changes are applied to them, because, some "The Broker" like characters have so much isk at their disposal that they can pretty much control the market.
But since that is also pretty much how people can make money in the real world, it's nothing gamebreaking, but just a "showcasing" of human nature, where egoism and greed is usually king.
And your fear and, I even dare say paranoia, is also a showcasing of another side of human nature, accompagnied by greed and egoism too, of course, but mainly fear of the unknown. Real men do it the hard way: fly Minmatar! |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.25 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Quote: In case anybody forgot, the CSM was originally created in responce to the call made by players for some sort of independant auditing body.
Not so much, actually. You will find out if you get to talk to them.
Quote: in all reality, i dont think ccp will ever let the CSM do something like that, all conspiracy theories aside. also i dont think elected players inherently have the experience to look at huge lists of transaction logs by ccp employees' chars and determine foul play or not, and the temptation to out them is there.
That's what Internal Affairs is for, not the CSM. You would know that if you read the CSM document which describes the CSM.
i'm not saying what it is now, i'm saying what it was originally thought up as being, which was an anti-corruption organization.
this new york times article pre-dates whatever CSM manifestos, because it pre-dates everything CSM related http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&ref=technology see last paragraph
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Xiao LoPan
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Posted - 2009.04.25 22:04:00 -
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while it would be very easy for ccp players to use inside knowledge to make lots of isk, do you think most would risk their jobs just for some isk that is already easy to come by?
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Ekheim
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Posted - 2009.04.28 12:05:00 -
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The situation you describe is certainly possible (using the market to generate a large amount of ISK which you then use to manipulate gameplay), but the openness and detail present in the market makes it so that it is just as possible and doable by any player - employee or no. This is by design.
If you're talking about their access to the database as something in their favor so far as data mining to determine and predict trends, it really isn't. They could get the same information off any relevant webpage that you or I would go to all without having to go to any extra steps like writing the queries and interpreting the information themselves.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.04.28 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
i'm not saying what it is now, i'm saying what it was originally thought up as being, which was an anti-corruption organization.
Once again, that's entirely wrong.
The CSM concept was first made up just after EVE was released. It was never an anti-corruption organization like NYT made it out to be.
And there was a mini-CSM after release, where CCP selected people who would give them feedback, much like the current CSM.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.28 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: mazzilliu
i'm not saying what it is now, i'm saying what it was originally thought up as being, which was an anti-corruption organization.
Once again, that's entirely wrong.
The CSM concept was first made up just after EVE was released. It was never an anti-corruption organization like NYT made it out to be.
And there was a mini-CSM after release, where CCP selected people who would give them feedback, much like the current CSM.
OK, if you want to call any group of people CCP uses to get feedback from a CSM :V
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2009.04.28 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
OK, if you want to call any group of people CCP uses to get feedback from a CSM :V
actually it was called the CSM, the group was picked by Pann and met online for a meeting chat with various devs including TomB. The chat was largely unstructured and the 'delegates' usually sourced questions from the players to ask CCP in the week or two before as well as during the meeting on IRC. The running joke was that someone had to ask about titans every session. ----------------------
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Xiao LoPan
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Posted - 2009.04.28 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ekheim The situation you describe is certainly possible (using the market to generate a large amount of ISK which you then use to manipulate gameplay), but the openness and detail present in the market makes it so that it is just as possible and doable by any player - employee or no. This is by design.
If you're talking about their access to the database as something in their favor so far as data mining to determine and predict trends, it really isn't. They could get the same information off any relevant webpage that you or I would go to all without having to go to any extra steps like writing the queries and interpreting the information themselves.
one thing regular players can't do is buy or sell materials based on price changes on upcoming buffs, nerfs, changes in roid spawn numbers, and batch numbers, that said I doubt too many ccp staff are doing that, why risk a job over isk that is easy to get as it is.
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