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IHearULiek Mudkipz
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Posted - 2009.03.31 22:55:00 -
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So how much ISK in stuff does a freighter have to be carrying for someone to consider suiciding it? What's the breakeven point where people decide to go for it?
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Evthron Macyntire
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:09:00 -
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I think causing someone the grief of a loss of 700m is enough to consider suicidal it.
Everything in it is a bonus.
Maybe.
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Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: Seragon on 31/03/2009 23:16:33 Edited by: Seragon on 31/03/2009 23:10:26 Possible loot > Cost to gank Cost to gank = Ships to gank * Ship cost
Possible loot = Freighter cargo * 50% Possible loot = Freighter cargo / 2
Ships to gank = freighter EHP / (1 ship dps * time before concord)
Ship cost = (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)
Freighter cargo / 2 > (Freighter EHP (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)) / (Single ship DPS * Time before Concord)
So in the end if...
Freighter Cargo > (2 * Freighter EHP * Time before concord * (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)) / (Single Ship DPS)
Go for it!
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Seragon Edited by: Seragon on 31/03/2009 23:10:26 Possible loot > Cost to gank Cost to gank = Ships to gank * Ship cost
Possible loot = Freighter cargo * 50% Possible loot = Freighter cargo / 2
Ships to gank = freighter EHP / (1 ship dps / time before concord) Ships to gank = (Freighter EHP * Time before concord) / (single ship dps)
Ship cost = (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)
Freighter cargo / 2 > (Freighter EHP * Time before concord * (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)) / (Single ship DPS)
So in the end if...
Freighter Cargo > (2 * Freighter EHP * Time before concord * (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)) / (Single Ship DPS)
Go for it!
/me starts copying down
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Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Substance /me starts copying down
Make sure you get the fixed formula ;)
And numbers.....
Attacking ship: Torp Raven using overloaded tech 2 launchers, high damage tech 2 torps, and 5 BCU II's Single Ship DPS: 1000 dps+ Initial Price: 90 mil Insurance Cost: 33 mil Mod Cost: 18 mil Insurance Payout: 109 mil Cost per ship: 32 mil
Sucker: Charon EHP: 160,000 EHP
Time before concord: Depends on system sec status. Assume 0.9 sec, so 8 seconds.
You'd need 20 of these ravens. And the total cost of these is 640 mil. So you'd want to try to hit a freighter hauling over 1.3 bil.
A 0.5 sec status system concord takes twice as long, so you only need half as many ships. The numbers above are based on my own skills in the various ships, so fiddle at will.
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wave function
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.31 23:53:00 -
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all your pork and beans are belong to us!
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Suction Aspiration
Band of Devs Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.04.01 02:29:00 -
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Gank ALL freighters, because algebra is hard.
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mrscary
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.04.01 02:30:00 -
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I've been suicided for less than 100M by a bunch of Russians. Maybe they did their math wrong, I dunno. I was so curious about why they would do it for so little that I convoed the guy to try to ask what the heck he was thinking, but of course it probably came across as whining and he wasn't interested in talking.
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Suction Aspiration
Band of Devs Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.04.01 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: mrscary I've been suicided for less than 100M by a bunch of Russians. Maybe they did their math wrong, I dunno. I was so curious about why they would do it for so little that I convoed the guy to try to ask what the heck he was thinking, but of course it probably came across as whining and he wasn't interested in talking.
Strange...I thought Russians were good at algebra and chess.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.01 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Seragon
Originally by: Sir Substance /me starts copying down
Make sure you get the fixed formula ;)
And numbers.....
Attacking ship: Torp Raven using overloaded tech 2 launchers, high damage tech 2 torps, and 5 BCU II's Single Ship DPS: 1000 dps+ Initial Price: 90 mil Insurance Cost: 33 mil Mod Cost: 18 mil Insurance Payout: 109 mil Cost per ship: 32 mil
Sucker: Charon EHP: 160,000 EHP
Time before concord: Depends on system sec status. Assume 0.9 sec, so 8 seconds.
You'd need 20 of these ravens. And the total cost of these is 640 mil. So you'd want to try to hit a freighter hauling over 1.3 bil.
A 0.5 sec status system concord takes twice as long, so you only need half as many ships. The numbers above are based on my own skills in the various ships, so fiddle at will.
That actually looks like a helpful and useful response..
Rule of thumb is if its carrying someone with an officers name on it, just gank it.
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Suction Aspiration
Band of Devs Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.04.01 02:59:00 -
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Lana ganks freighter with but her undie smell.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.01 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Suction Aspiration Lana ganks freighter with but her undie smell.
Oh wait.. your right... Thanks!! *runs off to change*
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Suction Aspiration
Band of Devs Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.04.01 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Suction Aspiration Lana ganks freighter with but her undie smell.
Oh wait.. your right... Thanks!! *runs off to change*
Bout time.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.01 03:16:00 -
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This thread continues to shock me.
I was going to point out that you didn't take in to account the gate guns, then I realized that if you cant tank gate guns for 8 seconds your not going to take out a freighter no matter how many ships you have.
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5yndr0m3
Caldari The Cryst
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Posted - 2009.04.01 03:21:00 -
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Didnt CCP nerf ganking. You dont get the insurance payout anymore?
Also, Lana the new sig banner is nice.
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Suction Aspiration
Band of Devs Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.04.01 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: 5yndr0m3 Didnt CCP nerf ganking. You dont get the insurance payout anymore?
Also, Lana the new sig banner is nice.
Smelly kitty banner rulz!
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Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.01 05:41:00 -
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i would like to suggest that typhoons be considered, they have 8 bonused dps highs and 7 lows to stack damage mods in -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Allahs Warrior
Gallente I.M.M
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Posted - 2009.04.01 07:15:00 -
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That torpraven equation also forgets that you can get insurance, loot, and salvage from your own popped ravens after you die!
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Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.01 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Allahs Warrior That torpraven equation also forgets that you can get insurance, loot, and salvage from your own popped ravens after you die!
in trade hubs this is unlikely as there are all kinds of noobs on every gate just waiting to snatch up any little bit of t2 loot that will pay for their next 16 rifters -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.01 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat
Originally by: Allahs Warrior That torpraven equation also forgets that you can get insurance, loot, and salvage from your own popped ravens after you die!
in trade hubs this is unlikely as there are all kinds of noobs on every gate just waiting to snatch up any little bit of t2 loot that will pay for their next 16 rifters
Yeah, but assuming you have your own alts there to scoop the loot you stand a good chance of salvaging your own wrecks too.
T2 kitty has gone, and it wasn't a mod request so no agro to them. |
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Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.01 07:53:00 -
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if you had alts in salvo destroyers you could tractor in your own wrecks and run away from noob loot thieves \o/ -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Seragon
Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.04.01 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
That actually looks like a helpful and useful response..
Rule of thumb is if its carrying someone with an officers name on it, just gank it.
I usually hang out in science & industry and got bored at work
To me the biggest cost would be the pain of raising sec status back up. If you live in 0.0, you could probably make more in the time you spend ratting to get back up to make another run. I mean, 640 mil split over 20 people is just over 30 mil a pop. I can make more ratting for an hour, or hell, just mining ice.
My formula is a bare minimum, not a suggestion. If you're ganking for the payoff and not for the thrill, make sure it's a load worth getting.
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Snura
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.01 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Seragon Edited by: Seragon on 31/03/2009 23:16:33 Edited by: Seragon on 31/03/2009 23:10:26 Possible loot > Cost to gank Cost to gank = Ships to gank * Ship cost
Possible loot = Freighter cargo * 50% Possible loot = Freighter cargo / 2
Ships to gank = freighter EHP / (1 ship dps * time before concord)
Ship cost = (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)
Freighter cargo / 2 > (Freighter EHP (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)) / (Single ship DPS * Time before Concord)
So in the end if...
Freighter Cargo > (2 * Freighter EHP * Time before concord * (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)) / (Single Ship DPS)
Go for it!
my guess you are a programer! ---- - while ( flamingPeople(ON_INTERNET) ) { e*****++; }
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Ryan Brabovski
Gentian Line
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Posted - 2009.04.01 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Seragon
you'd want to try to hit a freighter hauling over 1.3 bil.
And that's just to break even. Then you have to justify the sec hit and so on. And 20 battleships is a freaking lot. Also, dont forget that concord will jam you, and if you use FOF missiles you have to be darn sure they're gonna hit the freighter. Otherwise in my experience a suicide raven will only get two to three shots off at a stargate in a 0.5 system.
Personally the freighter would have to have well over 4 bil to be worth it to twenty ppl.
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Kelron Queldine
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.04.01 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: mrscary I've been suicided for less than 100M by a bunch of Russians. Maybe they did their math wrong, I dunno. I was so curious about why they would do it for so little that I convoed the guy to try to ask what the heck he was thinking, but of course it probably came across as whining and he wasn't interested in talking.
Yeah, some Russians suicided my alt's pod for 1 mil bounty once. Either they misread it as 1 bil or they're just griefing. |
Dizzy Morbo
Minmatar Black Straw
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:04:00 -
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You guys forgot one thing , time to recover sec status also time go set a fleet and scan for a target , this takes time and every freighter with less than 3-4 bils in cargo should consider them safe .
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dizzy Morbo You guys forgot one thing , time to recover sec status also time go set a fleet and scan for a target , this takes time and every freighter with less than 3-4 bils in cargo should consider them safe .
Wait wot? Scan??? Its on a gate right?
And if anyone ever added 'time to recover sec status' in to the suicide ganking equation no one would ever do it.
T2 kitty has gone, and it wasn't a mod request so no agro to them. |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:20:00 -
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cargo scanning dear. -+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Requiescat cargo scanning dear.
OH! Well i guess that means you can figure out how often im in charge of highsec ganking ops than. ProTip: When you start referring to your fits as 'the suicide rax', 'lol tanked ishtar' and 'bait crow' you tend to not be allowed to FC.
T2 kitty has gone, and it wasn't a mod request so no agro to them. |
Requiescat
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.04.02 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Requiescat cargo scanning dear.
OH! Well i guess that means you can figure out how often im in charge of highsec ganking ops than. ProTip: When you start referring to your fits as 'the suicide rax', 'lol tanked ishtar' and 'bait crow' you tend to not be allowed to FC.
i wish i could link you the falcon fits thread on the celes apoc forums, i pretty much pimped it out. here's my favorite of the bunch:
Quote: [Falcon, ****win] Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Rocket Launcher II, Defender I Rocket Launcher II, Defender I Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Core Defence Field Purger II
-+- let's break out the shotguns, we're going to town
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