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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.01 16:58:00 -
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Please?
Just give it the t1 velocity bonus and all will be fixed. Please? Pretty please? With cherries on top? I really miss flying it. Stop, hammer time. |
Max Hardcase
Art of War
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Posted - 2009.04.01 17:15:00 -
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Just give it the mwd sig radius bonus that inties get. Alternatively, 10%/lvl sig radius bonus.
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Marco Ragnos
eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.04.01 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard Please?
Just give it the t1 velocity bonus and all will be fixed. Please? Pretty please? With cherries on top? I really miss flying it.
save the hyena!!!
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.01 19:52:00 -
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Atm the Hyena holds the crown for worst EAF
Please, give it the Interceptors sig radius reduction or a web strength bonus on top of range (and take away the sig radius - ) Please resize image to a file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.01 19:59:00 -
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The specialized web ships have suffered a lot from the Great Speed Nerf
I think it would be a good idea to give 25% web strength special ability to all web ships
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.01 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
I think it would be a good idea to give 25% web strength special ability to all web ships
Seconded.
Fair enough that webs were nerf'd overall, but to have specialized EWAR no more effective in web strength than a standard ship is silly at best.
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Jared D'Uroth
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Posted - 2009.04.01 20:45:00 -
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Would like another midslot on it, tbh.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.01 23:12:00 -
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Quote: Fair enough that webs were nerf'd overall, but to have specialized EWAR no more effective in web strength than a standard ship is silly at best.
Firstly, I'd like to point out that the Hyena gets bonuses to more than just webs.
Also, this is stupid; webs are very powerful at what they do, in exchange for a short range. Having a long-ranged ship that instantly stops any attempt at speed would be like having an ewar mod that nullifies armor plates.
Stasis webs are powerful EW against fast enemies. Target painters are powerful EW when you're supporting a gang that goes fast itself. The EW bonuses are fine.
I don't know about the ship's speed and ability to stay alive; can't comment on that.
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.01 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 01/04/2009 23:34:09
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Firstly, I'd like to point out that the Hyena gets bonuses to more than just webs.
Now if only the Hyena had enough slots to properly represent its EWAR + MWD (you DO need one), we have to choose between webs and painters- now that webs are weaker this choice means we have to favour webs even more, by and large they are more usefull to a gang and solo than target painters; I am presuming that people fit the Hyena with 24km point and a MWD given its web range of 20km w/ EAF 5, if you have dedicated tacklers in the form of ceptors then you can lose the point but your sig res makes you a nice tackler able to point someone and keep them at range with webs and MWD.
Originally by: Kahega Amielden webs are very powerful at what they do, in exchange for a short range.
They used to be far more effective in general, the issue as i see it and as many that fly Minny Recons/eaf dislike is that said ships werent re-balanced following the web nerf; much as ships that relied on webs to counteract tracking issues for thier turrets have not been re-examined.
Yes, the immediate above really is as simple as 'the nerf'd my toy wa wa wa', but such in the case of the Hyena really was avoidable- at the moment given its far smaller web range than the rapier and lack of cloak there isnt much reason to fly it over a rapier besides cost (its not really better for smallship roams than the Rapier either, nor givent he fact that in such situations frigates tend to fit webs anyway); but factor in how much more survivable a rapier is, the massively increased web range + cloak and the situation gets worse.
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Stasis webs are powerful EW against fast enemies. Target painters are powerful EW when you're supporting a gang that goes fast itself. The EW bonuses are fine.
I don't know about the ship's speed and ability to stay alive; can't comment on that.
The Hyena didnt get buffed when all the interceptors that it shared a MWD sig penalty bonus with did, then web strength was reduced increasing the number of webs you need to fit to significantly slow a target while the mids the Hyena has remained the same.
lets look at it a different way:
which other EAF's have two different types of EWAR that use the same slot type and recently had an ewar mod reduced in effectiveness?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.04.02 00:19:00 -
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Quote: Now if only the Hyena had enough slots to properly represent its EWAR + MWD (you DO need one), we have to choose between webs and painters- now that webs are weaker this choice means we have to favour webs even more, by and large they are more usefull to a gang and solo than target painters; I am presuming that people fit the Hyena with 24km point and a MWD given its web range of 20km w/ EAF 5, if you have dedicated tacklers in the form of ceptors then you can lose the point but your sig res makes you a nice tackler able to point someone and keep them at range with webs and MWD.
You aren't going to slow a ship to almost 0 with a single web anymore. You don't have to put on MOAR WEBS, you just need to realize the limitations of the module. -60% speed is damn good. Also, while I'm neutral to the idea of another mid slot...you don't need a point if you have dedicated tacklers.
Originally by: Kahega Amieldenwebs are very powerful at what they do, in exchange for a short range.
Quote: They used to be far more effective in general, the issue as i see it and as many that fly Minny Recons/eaf dislike is that said ships werent re-balanced following the web nerf; much as ships that relied on webs to counteract tracking issues for thier turrets have not been re-examined.
they were far more effective. That's because they were overpowered by a ridiculous margin. Overpowered nano + Overpowered counter created the problem that eventually got nerfed. Webs are still incredibly powerful against fast gangs.
Quote: Yes, the immediate above really is as simple as 'the nerf'd my toy wa wa wa', but such in the case of the Hyena really was avoidable- at the moment given its far smaller web range than the rapier and lack of cloak there isnt much reason to fly it over a rapier besides cost (its not really better for smallship roams than the Rapier either, nor givent he fact that in such situations frigates tend to fit webs anyway); but factor in how much more survivable a rapier is, the massively increased web range + cloak and the situation gets worse.
As I said, I'm neutral to the idea of an increase in speed or such. The point I was arguing was the usefulness of their EW
Quote: The Hyena didnt get buffed when all the interceptors that it shared a MWD sig penalty bonus with did, then web strength was reduced increasing the number of webs you need to fit to significantly slow a target while the mids the Hyena has remained the same.
Irrelevant. read above.
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2009.04.02 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: RedSplat
lets look at it a different way:
which other EAF's have two different types of EWAR that use the same slot type and recently had an ewar mod reduced in effectiveness?
Uh, all of them? The Keres suffers from needing mids for both points and damps, and its worth noting that 1 tp is useful, but 1 damp is not. Damps were nerfed in effectiveness. The sentinel also had one of its EW types nerfed, and the Kitsune is going to have its EW nerfed as of next patch.
I'm not saying the Hyena has no issues and doesnt need help. But its issues that are shared by all EAFs, and to some degree, some recons. All four different EW ships, and their smaller cousins, have been defanged in successive patches. Time was nos, damps, webs, and ECM were all very very powerful. Less so now, and the ships have never had any compensation. _______________________________________________ Mercenary Forces |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.04.02 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: RedSplat on 02/04/2009 01:19:03 tl;dr I think dont think ALL EAF's need re-balancing, i think the Hyena is the suckiest atm.
EDIT: I realize this is getting a leeeetle of track. Can we all just agree the Hyena needs some love?
Originally by: El Yatta
Uh, all of them? The Keres suffers from needing mids for both points and damps, and its worth noting that 1 tp is useful, but 1 damp is not. Damps were nerfed in effectiveness. The sentinel also had one of its EW types nerfed, and the Kitsune is going to have its EW nerfed as of next patch.
I didnt know the Kitsune was heading the same way as the Falcon
Okay, to clarify: I wasnt around for the damp nerf so 'ive got no comparison, but i know someone whom flies the Keres to great effect. I cant really say the same for the Hyena and to be exact i've never heard of it spoke of as a success story.
Then again i agree that one damp is rather, well, damp- then again you are just fitting one point yes, and you have 5 mids on a Keres to a Hyenas 4?
Not fitting a point of a ship, especially a high scan res frig leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Points are mandatory and will lead to a spanking if not carried
I presume you are talking about the Nos/Neut nerf? Wasnt around for that either: But the Sentinel is IMO one nasty SOB, it has no trouble disabling an entire weapons system and eats frigates for breakfast; you might guess i dont think it is nerf'd in any way. and i hate the little bastard.
Originally by: El Yatta
I'm not saying the Hyena has no issues and doesnt need help. But its issues that are shared by all EAFs, and to some degree, some recons. All four different EW ships, and their smaller cousins, have been defanged in successive patches. Time was nos, damps, webs, and ECM were all very very powerful. Less so now, and the ships have never had any compensation.
Okay, fine, but my point of view is one based on what they are NOW and what the Hyena could do up until recently and from that vantage point i think it needs some TLC in a bad way.
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Hiroshima Jita
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Posted - 2009.04.03 07:32:00 -
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Bump. Ewar frigs need something. The only one really worth flying is the kitsune. Even the single 5 m^3 drone bay of the vigil would be nice for the hyena.
But generally it does make sense to bring four hyenas instead of one rapier given a straight choice. The problem that logic runs into is that since each pilot is supplying his own ship why not just four rapiers?
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