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Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:52:00 -
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Captain Thunk wrote:I'd rather people have the ability to defend JIta (if they so wish)
This time round some people did war dec Goonswarm Federation and attempt to make a stand. The fact they actually failed is irrelevent, they at least had the option. Next time that option won't exist unless they wish to pay the 4.2bn war dec fee a week for the privilege.
But Large Null sec alliances need protecting from terrible awful soul destroying grief war decs from 1 man corps, so I guess nothing can be done about it.
I don't understand the new wardec mechanics much, but is this something that needs to be looked at as 'unintended consequences'? That all 'burn Jita'-type events will be much more one-sided in the future? |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:53:00 -
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Jon Hellguard wrote:i was there. great work at ccp with real solid improvement on massgameplay for us players.
however... i'm terribly annoyed by the fact that thousands of pilots are not allowed to blow up jita station. c'mon ccp... you self introduced the cycle of eve and you self showed us the mudflation issue. your great, in fact awesome at not delivering much of a change - but opening up a window of opportunity to blow that station up would not just give eve a breaking news but us players a real cool moment to take part in. In fact... some might have tried to defend it? Btw. i thought you wanted to reduce hubs. It's soo simple... sooo darn simple. Let us blow them up and show us the new explosion effects as well :D
it's 2012 - not just the world should end. Let's pre-play the economic failure and destruction in-game. c'mon grow some f* balls!
That would entail enabling the Caldari to take real action against their attackers, would it not? After all, the station is a highly profitable part of Caldari space, and would be defended accordingly (especially being so near to the capital system) |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1201
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:00:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:I was hoping to see CCP partake in some kind of role playing to spice things up but do see that if they did, then it would be perceived as favoritism. Would have been interesting.
You know if this happened we'd cheer as much as anybody. Content owns, it don't matter if we win or lose whatever fight, just being able to play a game with cool things to do and fun things going on is why we're here. |
Dersen Lowery
Children of Armok Ushra'Khan
19
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:03:00 -
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Duvida wrote:Jon Hellguard wrote:i was there. great work at ccp with real solid improvement on massgameplay for us players.
however... i'm terribly annoyed by the fact that thousands of pilots are not allowed to blow up jita station. c'mon ccp... you self introduced the cycle of eve and you self showed us the mudflation issue. your great, in fact awesome at not delivering much of a change - but opening up a window of opportunity to blow that station up would not just give eve a breaking news but us players a real cool moment to take part in. In fact... some might have tried to defend it? Btw. i thought you wanted to reduce hubs. It's soo simple... sooo darn simple. Let us blow them up and show us the new explosion effects as well :D
it's 2012 - not just the world should end. Let's pre-play the economic failure and destruction in-game. c'mon grow some f* balls! That would entail enabling the Caldari to take real action against their attackers, would it not? After all, the station is a highly profitable part of Caldari space, and would be defended accordingly (especially being so near to the capital system)
Let's think about that: When an actual nation comes under attack, several things happen. It (generally) raises taxes, and constrains the private use of any resources critical to its military operations. Then, by one means or another, it rallies an army to its defense. Now, we have the Serpentis/BoB event as a negative example, but we also have it as canon that conventionally piloted ships can't stand up to capsuleer-piloted ships. To back that up, we also have it as in-game history that the Serpentis got roflstomped. So, who would the Caldari State call upon to defend against an attack by capsuleers? Capsuleers.
With enough carrots and the right sticks, you could turn an event like this into some combination of an Incursion (wartime taxes and restrictions) and Factional Warfare on a truly grand scale. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
148
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:08:00 -
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Vile rat wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:I was hoping to see CCP partake in some kind of role playing to spice things up but do see that if they did, then it would be perceived as favoritism. Would have been interesting. You know if this happened we'd cheer as much as anybody. Content owns, it don't matter if we win or lose whatever fight, just being able to play a game with cool things to do and fun things going on is why we're here.
Not true. If CCP had role played by making concord more powerful or having the Caldari Navy respond or declare war on the goons, CCP would have been viewed as anti-goon. Even their little warning on the log in page can be viewed as anti-goon and I'm not sure why they even did that.
CCP can either play in the sandbox officially or they can't play in it. No inbetween
On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
28
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:10:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Let's think about that: When an actual nation comes under attack, several things happen. It (generally) raises taxes, and constrains the private use of any resources critical to its military operations. Then, by one means or another, it rallies an army to its defense. Now, we have the Serpentis/BoB event as a negative example, but we also have it as canon that conventionally piloted ships can't stand up to capsuleer-piloted ships. To back that up, we also have it as in-game history that the Serpentis got roflstomped. So, who would the Caldari State call upon to defend against an attack by capsuleers? Capsuleers.
With enough carrots and the right sticks, you could turn an event like this into some combination of an Incursion (wartime taxes and restrictions) and Factional Warfare on a truly grand scale.
Are you suggesting that the Caldari Militia members would have bounties paid to them for shooting Goons (or whomever)?
That would be . . . interesting.
MDD |
Kryxal
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:12:00 -
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CCP Masterplan wrote: You pretty much got it with your first idea. A critical part of the bug was if someone entered a system with no GCC timer, then nothing happened (a pretty reasonable thing to do, but ultimately wrong if they previously had a GCC timer that some clients think might still exists due to dilation).
Now if someone enters with no GCC, but had the incoming node has memory of them having a GCC recently, then an explicit "This person has no aggression, so he is innocent" update is sent to clients. This ensures they aren't operating under a false assumption.
I hope you did something similar to prevent things like re-entering with a minute left on the GCC, letting it expire server-side, and setting people up to be concordokkened. I could see it happening if they wait out 10 minutes outside while 2 minutes pass, and the sync isn't deemed needed.
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Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
10
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:39:00 -
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Honestly, something as simple as setting the alliance (and current members, so no corp-dropping for the weekend to dodge it) as outlaws would have been perfectly reasonable. You don't have Empire NPCs trying to engage capsuleers then (as stated, they'd probably be outclassed), you just allow the highsec capsuleers to "defend their investments" without CONCORD stopping it. |
Raneru
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
48
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:01:00 -
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I was in defending Jita over the Fri and Sat (ok ok, I was whoring killmails...) I would say the module lag was quite frustrating at times. The time between someone being flagged as GCC, locking them and my guns activating was sometimes longer that it took the sentries/concord to finish a BC off.
Does TiDi apply to Concord as well as players?
I will say however that I was the most fun I've ever had in Jita. Bravo Goons and CCP |
Dersen Lowery
Children of Armok Ushra'Khan
19
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:00:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:Are you suggesting that the Caldari Militia members would have bounties paid to them for shooting Goons (or whomever)?
That would be . . . interesting.
MDD
I'm not going to get into specifics like that, because I'd wind up over my head pretty quickly. But yes, there would have to be some kind of carrot, and that's an obvious one. You could have the bounties paid out of the additional taxes levied, so that it's neither sink nor faucet (and, so that industrialists can aid the war effort by keeping the economy vibrant, and funding the war through taxes paid).
Say, non-FW corps could receive a charter to join the Militia for some period of time, almost (or exactly?) the way mercenary contracting will work under the new wardec system. In return for carrots, the corp would head off to battle on behalf of the host Empire.
Done right, it could be pretty cool. It would not only bring the hi-sec empires to life, it would be a huge boost to FW, and it would recognize, in a fundamental way, that the nullsec powers are empires in their own right.
I think it's an idea worth kicking around. |
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Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:05:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:Shinzhi Xadi wrote:why do you even have concord and high sec?? IRC even went down to have a little (unplanned) intervention, it was fun seeing ourselves on player run live streams.
For which IRC will pay dearly... rusty coat hanger abortions.... |
Iemanja Deusa
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:58:00 -
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I took advantage of the opportunity to fire on some blinky reds. As much as I hate to admit it, I have to hand it to the goons to provide one of the most amusing weekends and padding my killboard numbers. Sure beats opening cynos.
Re blackscreens on undock - oddly enough 4-4 didn't for me, the 4-6 ytiri station did twice, 4-6 Hyasoda did not either. |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
495
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:08:00 -
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malaire wrote:What about a case where person coming back to system still has some GCC time left, but less than what is cached in other clients? That case was already properly handled by sending out an updated time to everyone. It was only the case where the time had been burned off completely that wasn't being handled properly. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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CorryBasler
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:53:00 -
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silly goons, be losing like 2x the ships than they killed. |
Razgriz Shaishi
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:59:00 -
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CorryBasler wrote:silly goons, be losing like 2x the ships than they killed. Since when have the goons ever cared about losses sustained while suicide ganking? Thats why they call it SUICIDE ganking. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:23:00 -
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CCP Diagoras wrote:
Characters who scored the most final blows:
Why does this stat matter? It's kind of a roll of the dice as to who gets " lucky " enough to score the final blow. Wouldn't just showing up on the most kill mails or being top damage dealer be a better measure of involvement? |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:29:00 -
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Two step wrote: it is great to see CCP's pride in the terrible things their players do to each other... :) Seriously? and you are a CSM player's representative? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3025
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:37:00 -
[168] - Quote
CorryBasler wrote:silly goons, be losing like 2x the ships than they killed. if we only lost 2x we had absurd efficency wrt suicide ganking |
Adellle Nadair
FireStar Mercenaries
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:16:00 -
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This comment by CCP Veritas made my decision final:
Quote:Here's how we handled the server load of a few hundred [strike]murderous savages[/strike] valued customers making ships explode in the most populated system in EVE Online.
CCP Veritas, you are now my favorite dev... sorry CCP Soundwave. |
James Wagner
Valar Morghulis. Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:19:00 -
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Hahaha. Looks like someone thought they signed up for farmville. Probably should unsubscribe if avoiding Jita for a couple days makes you cry. |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
283
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:24:00 -
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It's great to see CCP openly embracing the Sandbox concept again.
As to the comments that the Caldari Empire for lore reasons should go to war with Goons and co, that doesn't really make sense. Since, the goons didn't attack the Caldari, they attacked independent pod pilots. |
Yulinki Atavuli
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
6
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:25:00 -
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700 of those kills were us!
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/alliance/Noir.%20Mercenary%20Group/1-2 <--- just goons.
90/1 ratio for me \o/
http://noirmercs.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=25386 <---- 2 bil Loki
http://noirmercs.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=25457 <--- 7 bil Viator
lots of Nados
We had alot of fun decing them. maybe we will do it again! Would of got more kills if they wouldn't stop docking when we came into system.
and under popular belief we never 'whored' on pods. the only pods we got were dumb CFC guys who don't know how to warp out after we took out their ships. |
Josef Huffenpuff
H A V O C
9
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:55:00 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Two step wrote: it is great to see CCP's pride in the terrible things their players do to each other... :) Seriously? and you are a CSM player's representative?
Yes ! Players do "terrible things" to each other. Welcome to the sandbox. This is what makes EvE great.
@CCP - Well done. Your renewed focus on Spaceships and the fantastic work done by Veritas & co means we have a great game that delivers what it promises. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
70
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:26:00 -
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"Jita, Amarr, Rens and more..."
hmph. No love for Dodixie, Oursulaert or Stacmon - they are relegated to "more"..
Gallente get no respect no mo |
Galphii
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
42
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:31:00 -
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Interesting to see how popular arty is compared to the other weapon systems. Fix 'em dammit |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
175
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:34:00 -
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I think the most interesting thing would be to know whether goons & co destroyed more ISK than they lost. |
TheSmokingHertog
Black Hole INC
29
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:56:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
As pure high sec dweller; shut up, buy a ship and start shooting back... but please, dont complain. |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:06:00 -
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Xorv wrote:It's great to see CCP openly embracing the Sandbox concept again.
As to the comments that the Caldari Empire for lore reasons should go to war with Goons and co, that doesn't really make sense. Since, the goons didn't attack the Caldari, they attacked independent pod pilots.
It was in response to the question of why the station itself couldn't be blown up. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
875
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:48:00 -
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Cool stats.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Amitious Turkey
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:21:00 -
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Galphii wrote:Interesting to see how popular arty is compared to the other weapon systems. Fix 'em dammit
ALPHA! I like to lick things.
Haunting the forums since 03. |
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