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pashared
Harbingers of Khaos Cant Be Arzed
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:54:00 -
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I was able to get in and out of jita pretty easy. I grabbed a few wrecks then got to OOO and AHHH
TBH: I thought it was gonna be worse, but impressive none the less. after looking at the stats thou I wonder what was kills isk totals vs isk lost.
great job ccp for making this run smooth and awesome DEVBLOG
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:02:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:I think the most interesting thing would be to know whether goons & co destroyed more ISK than they lost. 500b destroyed to 150b lost (approx) |
Erica Virpio
Praetorian Angels IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:14:00 -
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[b][b] I loved what the goons did in Jita, i'm personally starting to get the hang of pvp in eve more and more, i still suck at it, but hey its a learning experience. If you wanna whine about losing your ships and c!!p please shut up about it, i used to do that but now i love to grief the people that get me, its part of the game. And if its that big of a deal pay a protection fee to get a nice blue mark by yourself, or perhaps contract some mercs for protection. Or here is another thought train your combat skill or a combat alt, i lost 2 ships in jita on my alts but hey its happens i replaced them np, and i say again, great to the goons for a well executed attack on jita |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:39:00 -
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I dont like goons for me they are worse part of EvE community, but honestly i enyoi jita event, we need people like goons because eve is more interesing even they bunch of awful annoying trolls with thier fofo, vov etc. Also i wait for war dec cost changes, who know if a lot small corporation can aford war dec some big ally.
Ps.Good Dev blog, but a bit to exaggerated regarding to what happens druing jita event. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:22:00 -
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You can just feel the pride coming out in the dev blog, and CCP should damn well be proud of this event. I experienced the blackscreening on Friday night, but after the hotfix, I never had that problem again.
Well done to all the staff at CCP that put in the time and effort on a weekend for this! |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:07:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Dream Five wrote:I think the most interesting thing would be to know whether goons & co destroyed more ISK than they lost. 500b destroyed to 150b lost (approx)
That's pretty good actually. I was wondering if you guys even broke 'even' with all the NOIR. and others interference.
I was also thinking a Tornado gank setup could be probably countered with thrashers/catalysts preemptively ganking the ganking Tordanos :) |
Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2012.05.03 07:13:00 -
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Thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into the game CCP! I've never played any game for more than a few months and I've been logging in almost daily for well over two years now, and the game just keeps getting better and better (especially since Crucible).
To the Goons: Thanks for burning Jita! I'm not into the ganking scene (I get my null sec fix in W space) but it's player run events like that one that really makes Eve online unique in the MMO scene!
Just like there is no I in Team there is no Fair in Eve... |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:47:00 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:"Jita, Amarr, Rens and more..." hmph. No love for Dodixie, Oursulaert or Stacmon - they are relegated to "more".. Gallente get no respect no mo Fair comment; most days then the order of top solarsystems by total transaction value is Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:49:00 -
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pashared wrote:I was able to get in and out of jita pretty easy. I grabbed a few wrecks then got to OOO and AHHH
TBH: I thought it was gonna be worse, but impressive none the less. after looking at the stats thou I wonder what was kills isk totals vs isk lost.
great job ccp for making this run smooth and awesome DEVBLOG Thank you; glad you enjoyed it. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:54:00 -
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Feligast wrote:You can just feel the pride coming out in the dev blog, and CCP should damn well be proud of this event. I experienced the blackscreening on Friday night, but after the hotfix, I never had that problem again.
Well done to all the staff at CCP that put in the time and effort on a weekend for this! Yeah, we were very happy how well Jita coped with this event and it was nice to see how all the improvements we have made in the last two years (and last few months client-side) all came together. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:59:00 -
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Dorn Val wrote:Thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into the game CCP! I've never played any game for more than a few months and I've been logging in almost daily for well over two years now, and the game just keeps getting better and better (especially since Crucible). Thank you. Nice to hear that you are enjoying the world we have built together! Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Bent Barrel
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:42:00 -
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Great blog. Pity I could not take part to do some ninja looting.
I remember times when 300 people in Jita made the system stop so seeing a report of 2000+ folks in there and fighting is a serious accomplishment for CCP. CONGRATS !!! |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:40:00 -
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Nice graphs, nice blog, nice job to everyone involved in making it happen, players and devs alike.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:48:00 -
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Fantastic blog, fantastic work from CCP.
And the event, though certainly inconvenient, was spectacular and impressive as well. I'm quite curious now what will happen: Will repeated assaults against Jita lead us to a more decentralized economy, or will people just shrug off the occasional losses and carry on as they always have?
Just as an example, I would normally have shipped my PI products into Jita this weekend to sell. Being not stupid, I didn't. I considered bringing them to Amarr instead, but the prices were so much worse, I decided to wait and bring them to Jita anyway in a few days. So for me to even consider using another hub, the prices in the different hubs will have to become more competitive, or the risk of losing your ship in Jita on an average day will have to rise *a lot*. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
tasman devil
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:10:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Jita burning probably didn't pass anyone's attention and I'm sure many of you are interested in knowing more about the technical side of how it all went down behind the scenes and under the hood. Here to tell you all about it in a whopper of a dev blog is CCP Explorer our Software Director, joined by CCP Atlas, CCP Veritas and CCP Manifest. Enjoy! Ok. And what about the broken crimewatch mechanics? I'd like to see a BIG blog about that too. What was broken and why?
For example: 1: why were people killed by concord while shooting at agressors? 2: Why were people left with 3h aggro timer (!?) see here: http://i.imgur.com/g53mW.jpg - 3 HOURS of aggro left!?! 3: Also: how many goons were banned while burning Jita? Don't tell me there were NONE!? // TINFOIL HAT! I don't belive in reincarnation I've never believed in it in my previous lives either... |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:49:00 -
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tasman devil wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Jita burning probably didn't pass anyone's attention and I'm sure many of you are interested in knowing more about the technical side of how it all went down behind the scenes and under the hood. Here to tell you all about it in a whopper of a dev blog is CCP Explorer our Software Director, joined by CCP Atlas, CCP Veritas and CCP Manifest. Enjoy! Ok. And what about the broken crimewatch mechanics? I'd like to see a BIG blog about that too. What was broken and why? For example: 1: why were people killed by concord while shooting at agressors? 2: Why were people left with 3h aggro timer (!?) see here: http://i.imgur.com/g53mW.jpg - 3 HOURS of aggro left!?!3: Also: how many goons were banned while burning Jita? Don't tell me there were NONE!? // TINFOIL HAT! I believe we covered the first two questions in these replies I don't know who, if any, got banned. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Blade M Howser
0........0 -Silicon Heaven-
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:57:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Jita burning probably didn't pass anyone's attention and I'm sure many of you are interested in knowing more about the technical side of how it all went down behind the scenes and under the hood. Here to tell you all about it in a whopper of a dev blog is CCP Explorer our Software Director, joined by CCP Atlas, CCP Veritas and CCP Manifest. Enjoy!
Looks as if ccp helped their favorite alliance gain alot of killmails by suggesting they burn jita and causing a bug with criminal flagging on the day this started. i think all ccp employees and volunteers should have their main characters and alts banned from joining any player corps or alliances
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Ernest Borgnine
Mine. Now. Please Alliance. Now. Please.
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:28:00 -
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Congrats to Goonswarm of Brothers and Sir Mittaniolle for becoming what they once hated so much. Bad things in life are never destroyed, merely replaced. |
Lex Striker
Eldron Enterprises Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:50:00 -
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Not sure if this belongs here, but here goes anyway...
I thought the tech part of this was great. I will give that to CCP [cheers]. However, one thing I question was the ability for Jita to truly defend itself. When the Goons started to attack, eventually everyone outside the Goons' Corp/Alliance should have been able to shoot them without CONCORD intervention... example...
1) A Character ganks and gets nailed by CONCORD. The Character comes back and does it again. After a certain number of times of doing this, 'anyone' outside the Character's Corp/Alliance should be able to shoot them on sight 'anywhere' for a reasonable amount of time. If they want to gank, then let them. Just know that people will be waiting to nail them when they come back. Right now, the gankers are given the immunity to strike when and where they want... and only the Characters they shoot at can respond. That, inm, gives the gankers a distinct advantage which I do not believe is fair.
2) If a certain amount of Characters within a Corp are flagged for ganking as above, then the Corp itself as a whole becomes flagged for anyone to shoot... again for a reasonable amount of time.
3) If a certain amount of Corps within an Alliance are flagged for ganking, then the entire Alliance itself gets flagged.
I read once that when someone gets the first shot off, they have the tendency to win in an equal 1v1 PvP encounter. That in itself gives the gankers a distinct advantage... because they get to pick and choose their targets and when to strike. If these gankers continue to gank, then fine... I have no issue with that. Where I have issue is I cannot shoot them unless they shoot me first. I cannot defend anyone against them and I cannot take preventive action against gankers when they show up. That is where I have issue. They want to gank... fine!!! This is Eve!!! I support that action. But give me a decent chance to fight back and leave their butts hanging for once. The playing field here needs to be leveled in some way.
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:17:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Weaselior wrote:Dream Five wrote:I think the most interesting thing would be to know whether goons & co destroyed more ISK than they lost. 500b destroyed to 150b lost (approx) That's pretty good actually. I was wondering if you guys even broke 'even' with all the NOIR. and others interference.
It was less like interference and more like killmail whoring on tornados while they are getting Concorded.
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Kiaa gihaa
Helion Mercs
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:07:00 -
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Nice ops Goons and co. But even "nicer" engineering done by ccp dev/programmers/rest of team...... I feel like humping some legs |
Dibble Dabble
Capital Assets Inc
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:00:00 -
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CCP are fools. This event was well planned by both Goons and CCP to sell the game. War and chaos sells more than those who seek a more stimulating experience.
The narcissistic goon leader should never have been allowed back in the game after his inexcusable but well executed blunder and who thinks the incident was an accident? I wonder how many devs are in goons and voted for that fool like so many lemmings and bot / RMT funded votes?
The actions of Goons, their leader and CCP are reprehensible in the extreme. Goons are in effect cyber bullies.
The sad fact is I can no longer recommend the game to others. CCP are simply going to use Eve to sell Dust. The slashing of the workforce shows all is not well in CCP land and they have now put all their eggs in one basket. When was the last time Eve broke its player count record, 2 years? Will it ever be broken again? I think not.
CCP are now not only selling hate but exploiting and supporting it. But how many noobs are coming into the game these days? How many stay? Fewer and fewer each month I would guess.
All good things must come to an end. I can no longer support this game, there is too much hate in this world without logging into a virtual world based on hate and greed. I joined on Day 1, I went to the 1st Fan Feast and now I must log off. I no longer trust CCP to deliver a product that will offer a balanced game, but one that is dictated by those who bought an election.
I am sure the lemmings will come out and flame but I really no longer give a **** and as for the lemmings I really do hope they do what lemmings do well and jump of a very high cliff.
From a technical point of view I congratulate the devs for their efforts. I am sure when CCP come to sell the technology your masters will not have to mine trit for a very long time.
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Zulran Hans
Refuge of Hope Lemniskate
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:48:00 -
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WILL THEY RISE?
Congratulations CCP, you guys did a great job!
Even as a casual player, I found Burn Jita really fascinating. It reminds me reading about history where barbarian hordes came into cities to plunder, **** (thank God EVE doesnGÇÖt let players to do that ;)) and murder the defenseless inhabitants.
The material gain wasnGÇÖt necessarily the primary motive. Bullies rarely take kidGÇÖs lunches because theyGÇÖre too poor to buy food. It was more of a display of power; the hordes have the might to do whatever they want and no one can stop them.
Of course history shows that people rise up against oppressors again and again. IGÇÖm eager to see if thatGÇÖs going to happen in EVE. The next time Goons decides to this, will the hisec alliances stay scattered too even slow down the operation?
Or will the CEOs organize a coordinated effort, inspiring thousands of their pilots to rise up and make a stand?
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
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Posted - 2012.05.04 00:52:00 -
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There is a reason why EVE can not and will not grow, because CCP caters only to egomaniacs like the Mittani and effectivly endorses actions that drive players away. Usually the newest and most inexperienced players are made the victims and driven out of the game.
A few years back I would have happily recommended EVE to anyone but now I am not so sure. To be really honest I would not recommend EVE to anyone except extremely cold blooded accountants and maybe to people with narcisstic/ egomanic / or plain sociopathic tendencies.
....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:02:00 -
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Dibble Dabble wrote:[...]War and chaos sells more than those who seek a more stimulating experience. [...] CCP are now not only selling hate but exploiting and supporting it. But how many noobs are coming into the game these days? How many stay? Fewer and fewer each month I would guess.
You accuse CCP of making choices on EVE based on your own statement that War and Chaos sells, but then you "guess" that fewer and fewer players are coming to the game because of that same War and Chaos. Your argument makes no sense and is contradictory. BTW what is a stimulating experience in a gem like EVE to you?
Dibble Dabble wrote:I am sure the lemmings will come out and flame but I really no longer give a **** [...]
If you really didn't give a ****, you would have never posted all that nonsense in the first place.
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:21:00 -
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Blade M Howser wrote:Looks as if ccp helped their favorite alliance gain alot of killmails by suggesting they burn jita and causing a bug with criminal flagging on the day this started. You, sir, are criminally idiot.
I hope you lose interest in the game, uninstall the client and leave as soon as materially possible.
It's the other way round, if any! Looks as if CFC helped their favorite dev team gain a lot of live data and metrics by trying something that nobody ever tried in such a way and helping them finding and FIXING a bug with criminal flagging that would affect anyone in hisec and that was corrected on the next day it started.
Quote:i think all ccp employees and volunteers should have their main characters and alts banned from joining any player corps or alliances ...As if we need a dev team even MORE disconnected from the game they code...
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Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:59:00 -
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Funny how the "CCP serves Goons" conspiracy theorists remain totally unimpressed by CCP banning Mittani and taking away his seat on the CSM.
But then again, that is the basic trait of conspiracy loons: Ignore all the contradicting evidence and only see what supports what you want to believe. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:24:00 -
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Those metrics sure do point towards one racial weapon system (ship+gun) being slightly out of whack, eh?
Now that the emo's have gotten the rage-against-Jita over, how about declaring the lot of them as enemies of the State and denying them docking rights in all of Caldari and Amarr (allies with the corporates) space? .. Action - meet - consequence.
PS: Do the same for everyone who were shooting the monument last year just to be 'fair' |
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:36:00 -
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Lex Striker wrote:Not sure if this belongs here, but here goes anyway...
I thought the tech part of this was great. I will give that to CCP [cheers]. However, one thing I question was the ability for Jita to truly defend itself. When the Goons started to attack, eventually everyone outside the Goons' Corp/Alliance should have been able to shoot them without CONCORD intervention... example...
I've had similar thoughts regarding the whole "ganking issue" for a while now- a combination of generally confusing mechanics (*when* am I allowed to open fire on a "criminal"? And what do they REALLY look like, as opposed to some of the very dated "official" information? CAN I shoot the pod? There should probably be a section added to the NPE that covers this even if an all-out PVP tutorial isn't in the works, and it should be high on the list of things to check whenever any related mechanics are changed) and generally lenient consequences (lose throwaway ship and wait 15 mins before repeating, and if you're really industrious have another character dispense replacement ships for you) mean people who want to gank are generally guaranteed the opportunity, while people who are about to be ganked (or who see a gank is about to go down) have few realistic options to prevent it even after multiple offenses. Once you add in the prevalence of multiple accounts and the general farmability of security status when someone *does* find being -10 starts to cramp their style...
I wonder if the GCC timer should be changed a bit, so there are separate timers for when CONCORD will kill you and when players can legally shoot you. The CONCORD timer would remain basically the same, "lose sec status and for the next 15 minutes if you're in space in hi-sec your ship is forfiet." The player-aggression timer would have a longer duration (perhaps 30 mins at first), so even after CONCORD is done with you, you're still basically auto-suspect and your next intended victim (or their buddies) can go ahead and blast you. If they do, you won't get another security hit for shooting back (or at anyone who reps them), though anyone who reps *you* inherets your ability to be shot-on-sight much like they'd inheret your aggression timer. The lower your sec status and the more recently you've last been CONCORDed, the longer the timer you get (so serial criminals are vulnerable for increasing lengths of time), until you sink your sec status low enough you're KOS anyway. With the longer window for player-dispensed retribution it might even be workable to reduce the CONCORD timer a little.
The main point is to make it so that there are still divisions between how you can interact between the "areas" of space and keep the feeling that the empires and CONCORD don't want individuals shooting each other willy-nilly in hisec, but loosen the rules a bit so you don't have to wait to be shot by the guy that's been shooting people all day before you can do something about it. Overall, the gankers should still be able to gank (unless they let themselves get camped into a station or something) and the lone "generic victim" types aren't going to be any better off than they were before, but it opens options up for people to take meaningful steps to protect themselves from "known criminals" beyond staying docked up and without relying on some NPC "hand of god" mechanic.
To me, the lack of that ability was the big letdown with "Burn Jita." Some corps were able to get wars active, but that not only required prior knowledge about the event but required the event to be (largely) perpetrated by corporations, and the related fighting didn't require one neutral to actually be shot at. There was no real chance for a dynamic response to develop on the player side with vigilante fleets forming and blasting criminals (who weren't going to be auto-blasted anyway). Hulkageddon is similar, a hulk with 5 heavily-armed warships guarding it is in most cases every bit as dead as a hulk with 5 iterons sitting around unless one of the warships decides to take it for the team and the losses for those involved in the ganking are in both cases entirely predictable ("lose X ships where X is how many ships fire"). Both events are somewhat impressive. Both need to remain possible. Both, however, could be much more interesting if EVE-Justice were a bit longer of memory and favored more of a vigilante style lasting consequence (based largely on your current actions) rather than just popping your ship and making it annoying if you don't go farm some NPCs every so often (regardless of when you actually did "bad things). |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:48:00 -
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Congrats to CCP for building a game that allows game play such as this. Player driven. Congrats to the null-sec'rs. They backed their words with ships and ammo (I have called them whiners in the past, but no whining here, just explosions).
I must admit, mostly being a small time trader, I avoided Jita for a few days, but these kinds of occurances are great for eve and its players. Keeps things fun and interesting.
And awesome to see the game performance was acceptable to great. Allocate resources to FiS |
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