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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:33:00 -
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Jita burning probably didn't pass anyone's attention and I'm sure many of you are interested in knowing more about the technical side of how it all went down behind the scenes and under the hood.
Here to tell you all about it in a whopper of a dev blog is CCP Explorer our Software Director, joined by CCP Atlas, CCP Veritas and CCP Manifest.
Enjoy! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
351
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:33:00 -
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1st! Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Paradox
211
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:38:00 -
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Ooooh. Graphs. CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Implying Implications
Broski Enterprises
43
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:38:00 -
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Good. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2990
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:39:00 -
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:happysun: |
Mograthi
15
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:40:00 -
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Excellent |
Simvastatin Montelukast
Irregular Warfare The Jagged Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:41:00 -
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Yawn for the burn part, Yes! to CCP for the server upgrades. |
Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
213
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:42:00 -
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Let's not forget that this all started because of GOON TEARS.
"You banned my idol and I voted for him and it's not fair wahhhh"
:3 Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
104
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:43:00 -
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BURN JITA.... oh .... did i miss it??? - Nulla Curas |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1893
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:44:00 -
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Very cool blog, and it is great to see CCP's pride in the terrible things their players do to each other... :) CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Andrea Griffin
270
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:45:00 -
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I love these technical dev blogs - they're a lot of fun to read. Thank you! CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Shinzhi Xadi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:45:00 -
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You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1897
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:47:00 -
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it's full of graphs!!!:3 CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Programmer | @CCP_Punkturis |
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
282
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:51:00 -
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Congratulations on a successfull weekend...
..but..."and not being able to make a war target only overview." CCP broke this over a year ago (petitioned and acknowledged as defect) and seriously, why isn't this getting fixed ? It's just insanely inconvenient for doing any war-related thing in highsec. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1187
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:52:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
You misunderstand. They are cheering the improved client and server performance that could allow such a player driven event to occur, and we are cheering that as well. I do take issue with your understanding of concord's role in this game and I don't agree with your stance that the creators of this game should choose sides between people playing authority or anti authority in a sandbox, but we can all agree that a working eve after all this time is a good thing to see. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
303
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:54:00 -
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Mr Bigwinky wrote:Let's not forget that this all started because of GOON TEARS.
"You banned my idol and I voted for him and it's not fair wahhhh"
:3
Dev Blog wrote:For several months now, a coalition of thousands of players have been planning the "Burn Jita" event, aimed at disrupting the biggest trade hub in game in order to wreak some terrific, universe-wide changes by shaking the very pillars of EVE's economy at its metaphorical heart.
If it was because of Mittani being banned it would say "For a month now..." Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
1893
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:55:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
EVE is already a game of pirates and greifers. It is also a game of e-honour, manufacturing and mining. Most of all, it is a game about the stories that *players* make, and this was a big one. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Megnamon
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:56:00 -
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While I did not participate, I think its awesome that CCP provided the sandbox for such a player driven event to happen!
It does not matter that it was the goons who organized the event, for all the difference it makes it could have been some totally awesome carebear alliance that set it up for fun and profit. The fact that it was able to happen is the cool point.
(and with all the advanced warning, its not like it was hard to figure out to stay away from Jita to avoid being ganked, there are other trade hubs ya know...) |
Ager Agemo
Euphoric Enterprise
63
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:57:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
you mad? I hate goons with a fiery passion, but on this case I wont negate the fact they did something rather awesome and deserve to be recognized about it, if you want some high sec people to be recognized the same maybe you should try to organize your own 30000+ men alliance and do something awesome, that is, if you can...
btw it was nice to see you goons out there at jita shooting stuff, tho I m still confused why the ton of drakes O.o |
Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
29
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:57:00 -
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I'd rather people have the ability to defend JIta (if they so wish)
This time round some people did war dec Goonswarm Federation and attempt to make a stand. The fact they actually failed is irrelevent, they at least had the option. Next time that option won't exist unless they wish to pay the 4.2bn war dec fee a week for the privilege.
But Large Null sec alliances need protecting from terrible awful soul destroying grief war decs from 1 man corps, so I guess nothing can be done about it. |
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gazarsgo
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:57:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
Obligatory "u mad?" If you want to play with pretty princesses, rainbows, and unicorns online, then this isn't the game for you |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
231
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:58:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:Let's not forget that this all started because of GOON TEARS.
"You banned my idol and I voted for him and it's not fair wahhhh"
:3 Dev Blog wrote:For several months now, a coalition of thousands of players have been planning the "Burn Jita" event, aimed at disrupting the biggest trade hub in game in order to wreak some terrific, universe-wide changes by shaking the very pillars of EVE's economy at its metaphorical heart. If it was because of Mittani being banned it would say "For a month now..." Yeah this was planned for far longer, sorry to rain on your parade.
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
I agree with this man, death to highsec! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
303
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Posted - 2012.05.02 13:59:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care. you mad? I hate goons with a fiery passion, but on this case I wont negate the fact they did something rather awesome and deserve to be recognized about it, if you want some high sec people to be recognized the same maybe you should try to organize your own 30000+ men alliance and do something awesome, that is, if you can... btw it was nice to see you goons out there at jita shooting stuff, tho I m still confused why the ton of drakes O.o
Drakeswarm was all about shooting wardecs and keeping things clear for the mass murder to continue. It worked really, really well, despite a couple of very short interruptions. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
303
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:00:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
I agree with you! Death to High-sec! Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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CCP Manifest
C C P C C P Alliance
386
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:01:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
The point isn't to praise the Goons, you see, it's to praise the fact that players can do things like the Goons choose to do... At least that's my thought. ======== o7 CCP Manifest | Public Relations and Social Media | @ccp_manifest |
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Djavue
Ghetto Booty Development
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:02:00 -
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So you're allowed to deliberately cause lag in Jita now? n1, I'll get right on it... |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
353
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:02:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care. We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
55
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:04:00 -
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Thanks to the Devs for making this possible.
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care. HelloKitty Online is that way --------> |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:06:00 -
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This please me very much. |
Anvil44
Independent Traders and Builders MPA
67
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:09:00 -
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Well done CCP. Both on the technical side of course, but more on the game side. You created rules (or a lack thereof) that allows this to happen. And it did.
I have almost no time right now for Eve due to RL but I did log on with an alt that was in Jita itself, just so I could float outside of 4-4 and watch. Awesome.
This is what makes an awesome game! I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it. |
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
691
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:10:00 -
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very well written blog entry a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Jolan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:10:00 -
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You will pay for this, GOONSSSSSSSSS
vfk by June |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
290
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:10:00 -
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Wow, what a weekend! "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:12:00 -
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I'm playing since 2006 when it was crazy to jump into Jita with more than 300 pilots and when we had at least 3 unexpected downtimes each week. At that time the database was mysql. OMG that must had been terrible . I was part of huge fleets in 0.0 and saw the blackscreen many times and couldn't stop a gun. Nevertheless this game was always best in his class.
But in the last 12months eve became awesome as it should be. Thx for all the nights devs you didn't wanted anyway.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2990
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:13:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote: The point isn't to praise the Goons, you see, it's to praise the fact that players can do things like the Goons choose to do... At least that's my thought.
why isn't the point to praise us we deserve praise |
Zhentar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:14:00 -
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Any chance we could also get the list of dead ships in Jita from Friday - Sunday? |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
160
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:14:00 -
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Shinzhi Xadi wrote:why do you even have concord and high sec?? Concord exists to punish, not protect, there's a very important distinction there.
Also, good work keeping the server from catching fire along with the solar system CCP :) IRC even went down to have a little (unplanned) intervention, it was fun seeing ourselves on player run live streams.
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
213
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:14:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. I realise this is your stance (as it should be) but that is not how your blog reads. "Led by Goonswarm...jaw-dropping...stood in awe..." etc. etc."
Just sayin' Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2993
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:17:00 -
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Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. I realise this is your stance (as it should be) but that is not how your blog reads. "Led by Goonswarm...jaw-dropping...stood in awe..." etc. etc." Just sayin' maybe you should do something interesting and maybe people would care about that
bad posting, however, is not interesting |
Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
213
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:CCP Manifest wrote: The point isn't to praise the Goons, you see, it's to praise the fact that players can do things like the Goons choose to do... At least that's my thought.
why isn't the point to praise us we deserve praise Praise is deserved only by those who took the idea of using SA to create an alliance and those dedicated to spreading propaganda. The rest of it is just a suicide gank op with lots of people following someone elses lead Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
304
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:20:00 -
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Djavue wrote:So you're allowed to deliberately cause lag in Jita now? n1, I'll get right on it...
How was lag being caused deliberately? We did see some people shuttle bombing a few stations, and those cases were petitioned and cleaned up rather quickly. Other than that how is packing a whole lot of people to do a thing, and then Tidi happening as a consequence of that, considered "deliberately causing lag"? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:20:00 -
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Drakefleet: Preserving Freedom (for our gankers).
Wardec overview is a must! |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
355
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:20:00 -
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Anvil44 wrote:Well done CCP. Both on the technical side of course, but more on the game side. You created rules (or a lack thereof) that allows this to happen. And it did.
I have almost no time right now for Eve due to RL but I did log on with an alt that was in Jita itself, just so I could float outside of 4-4 and watch. Awesome.
This is what makes an awesome game! Thank you for those kind words! Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2183
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:20:00 -
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BeanBagKing wrote:Shinzhi Xadi wrote:why do you even have concord and high sec?? Concord exists to punish, not protect, there's a very important distinction there. Also, good work keeping the server from catching fire along with the solar system CCP :) IRC even went down to have a little (unplanned) intervention, it was fun seeing ourselves on player run live streams.
Precisely. I find consequences to be so much more interesting than immunity ;) CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:21:00 -
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Some feedback on the technical issues we experienced.
Note, I am the planner and supplier of this event.
The bad:
TIDI makes the Blackscreening issue much worse. To the point that someone with lower than -2.5 sec status may never load grid before they are dead by faction police. Blackscreening was the #1 issue needing fixing.
Wardecs not being able to be fired upon. This results when a wardec is in place in only one direction. From what I understand, this is a quite old bug. Perhaps it can be fixed with the wardec revamp.
The good:
Two shots. When originally planned I only expected each BC to get a single shot off. However, due to some wierdness with TIDI and concord, quite often people managed two. Even without ROF implants and such. Interesting but not easily repeatable. This was more than the usual 6 second bonus for off grid.
Smoothness. The best part of single shot ganking is that you aren't usually TIDI'ed for the first shot. Only when the target is dying and concord spawning does it kick in. So you get to watch in slow motion as someone dies.
We only used 1/3rd of the ships we had stockpiled. This was mostly due to the complete lockdown that Jita went into as far as freighters and JF's. Mineral volumes dropped 50%+ across the board etc. Targets dried up as no one would jump in or out of Jita. To the point that when we even saw the freighter with 1 exotic dancer, he just had to die too as we were bored.
So we have a stockpile of ships still in Jita that can do two more burn Jitas. Approx 1250 Tornados and another 12-13k Thrashers. The vast majority of our ships blown up were personal ones bought off market to clear that out before hitting stockpiles. We suspect the login screen advert and one month notice saved many a victim. Next time we will not notify in advance and will simply show up and announce our presence with a nice fat 10b+ ISK kill.
Everyone had a blast, and a total of 520B ISK in damage was done. Given the original goal was 1T using the entire stockpile, and we were on track for 1.5. This was a success for us far beyond what was expected. Jita turtling up was unexpected and a happy occurrence. So the players do read news/login screens in general and react appropriately.
We will be back, we already have the ships ready, and you shall see the howitzers on the gates of Jita once more.
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
213
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:22:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. I realise this is your stance (as it should be) but that is not how your blog reads. "Led by Goonswarm...jaw-dropping...stood in awe..." etc. etc." Just sayin' maybe you should do something interesting and maybe people would care about that bad posting, however, is not interesting Not interesting, infuriating though apparently. Please post again about how much you don't care though! GÖÑ
I do lots of interesting things! I don't, however, feel the need to search for attention. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
355
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:22:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:I'm playing since 2006 when it was crazy to jump into Jita with more than 300 pilots and when we had at least 3 unexpected downtimes each week. At that time the database was mysql. OMG that must had been terrible . I was part of huge fleets in 0.0 and saw the blackscreen many times and couldn't stop a gun. Nevertheless this game was always best in his class.
But in the last 12months eve became awesome as it should be. Thx for all the nights devs you didn't wanted anyway. We have actually always used Microsoft SQL Server, but we have upgraded versions and hardware multiple times. Performance and stability has been a key focus for us in the last two years now. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
355
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:23:00 -
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Zhentar wrote:Any chance we could also get the list of dead ships in Jita from Friday - Sunday? I'll ask around and see if CCP Diagoras can provide details. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
304
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:24:00 -
[49] - Quote
Aryth wrote:Some feedback on the technical issues we experienced.
Note, I am the planner and supplier of this event.
The bad:
TIDI makes the Blackscreening issue much worse. To the point that someone with lower than -2.5 sec status may never load grid before they are dead by faction police. Blackscreening was the #1 issue needing fixing.
Wardecs not being able to be fired upon. This results when a wardec is in place in only one direction. From what I understand, this is a quite old bug. Perhaps it can be fixed with the wardec revamp.
The good:
Two shots. When originally planned I only expected each BC to get a single shot off. However, due to some wierdness with TIDI and concord, quite often people managed two. Even without ROF implants and such. Interesting but not easily repeatable. This was more than the usual 6 second bonus for off grid.
Smoothness. The best part of single shot ganking is that you aren't usually TIDI'ed for the first shot. Only when the target is dying and concord spawning does it kick in. So you get to watch in slow motion as someone dies.
We only used 1/3rd of the ships we had stockpiled. This was mostly due to the complete lockdown that Jita went into as far as freighters and JF's. Mineral volumes dropped 50%+ across the board etc. Targets dried up as no one would jump in or out of Jita. To the point that when we even saw the freighter with 1 exotic dancer, he just had to die too as we were bored.
So we have a stockpile of ships still in Jita that can do two more burn Jitas. Approx 1250 Tornados and another 12-13k Thrashers. The vast majority of our ships blown up were personal ones bought off market to clear that out before hitting stockpiles. We suspect the login screen advert and one month notice saved many a victim. Next time we will not notify in advance and will simply show up and announce our presence with a nice fat 10b+ ISK kill.
Everyone had a blast, and a total of 520B ISK in damage was done. Given the original goal was 1T using the entire stockpile, and we were on track for 1.5. This was a success for us far beyond what was expected. Jita turtling up was unexpected and a happy occurrence. So the players do read news/login screens in general and react appropriately.
We will be back, we already have the ships ready, and you shall see the howitzers on the gates of Jita once more.
Need to hit a couple of market hubs at one time. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
355
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:25:00 -
[50] - Quote
Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. I realise this is your stance (as it should be) but that is not how your blog reads. "Led by Goonswarm...jaw-dropping...stood in awe..." etc. etc." Just sayin' Very clear; we are not taking sides. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
304
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:25:00 -
[51] - Quote
Mr Bigwinky wrote:Weaselior wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. I realise this is your stance (as it should be) but that is not how your blog reads. "Led by Goonswarm...jaw-dropping...stood in awe..." etc. etc." Just sayin' maybe you should do something interesting and maybe people would care about that bad posting, however, is not interesting Not interesting, infuriating though apparently. Please post again about how much you don't care though! GÖÑ I do lots of interesting things! I don't, however, feel the need to search for attention.
I don't see anywhere in that post about not caring. Just that your posting is terrible, which it really is. This coming from one of the worst posters. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2993
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:25:00 -
[52] - Quote
anyone who thinks they'll be safe just carrying low amounts of cargo should look at the freighter we ganked with 144 thrashers and soil themselves in terror |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
471
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:25:00 -
[53] - Quote
Aryth wrote:TIDI makes the Blackscreening issue much worse. We've tracked down a likely cause for this, and it's related to how the emergency hot-patch was done. Did you guys continue to experience this problem after Saturday's downtime? CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Mordiggian ZulBhaSair
Last Exit For The Lost Dark Therapy
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:25:00 -
[54] - Quote
Mittens, I think - judging from this devblog - the answer is: It's the same old CCP as before. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
307
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:27:00 -
[55] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. I realise this is your stance (as it should be) but that is not how your blog reads. "Led by Goonswarm...jaw-dropping...stood in awe..." etc. etc." Just sayin' Very clear; we are not taking sides.
Don't give in Explorer, these "people", this rabble, just want CCP to condemn Goons for everything. They would absolutely LOVE to see the entirety of the CFC banned from the game.
Give these commoners no quarter, and neither will we. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
AdZc
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:27:00 -
[56] - Quote
Although i could not be there, some m8s made a good bit of cash and i like the fact it could go down! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
307
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:28:00 -
[57] - Quote
Mordiggian ZulBhaSair wrote:Mittens, I think - judging from this devblog - the answer is: It's the same old CCP as before.
:madpost: Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
150
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:30:00 -
[58] - Quote
.... since when did DevBlogs become EN24 w/ stats and graphs? :/ My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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CCP karkur
C C P C C P Alliance
901
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:30:00 -
[59] - Quote
Louis deGuerre wrote:Congratulations on a successfull weekend...
..but..."and not being able to make a war target only overview." CCP broke this over a year ago (petitioned and acknowledged as defect) and seriously, why isn't this getting fixed ? It's just insanely inconvenient for doing anything war-related thing in highsec.
P.S. Same bug prevents a blue-only overview I have not seen that defect... could you please explain better? If would also be excellent if you could file a bugreport from within the client, because then we get your settings so it will be easier for us to figure out if there is some problem with the settings.
The first thing that comes to mind is whether you have the "neutral" unchecked, and those guys are neutral (and since the overview settings are the way they are, iirc, if you have some category a character belongs to unchecked it will not display him/her in the overview). I am not saying you don't know what you are doing, just the only thing that comes to mind right now CCP karkur | UI Programmer | Team Avatar | @CCP_karkur |
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Drago Palermus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:31:00 -
[60] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. And we thank CCP for creating an environment where almost anything is possible, giving enough time and effort. When things started getting wonky on Friday you all could have simply said "screw it, it's the weekend!" and went home. Instead there were fixes to Crimewatch, reinforcing of nodes, and a perfect execution of TiDi.
It is great to know that after nine years this game still receives so much support from the the developers. |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P C C P Alliance
309
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:31:00 -
[61] - Quote
Aryth wrote: Wardecs not being able to be fired upon. This results when a wardec is in place in only one direction. From what I understand, this is a quite old bug. Perhaps it can be fixed with the wardec revamp.
As far as I understand this defect it has been fixed with the new wardecs. We'll likely put in some additional (more sane) checks though.
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates |
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1191
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:31:00 -
[62] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:Aryth wrote:TIDI makes the Blackscreening issue much worse. We've tracked down a likely cause for this, and it's related to how the emergency hot-patch was done. Did you guys continue to experience this problem after Saturday's downtime?
If you want to smug it up in this thread you go right ahead ok? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
361
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:32:00 -
[63] - Quote
Drago Palermus wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. And we thank CCP for creating an environment where almost anything is possible, giving enough time and effort. When things started getting wonky on Friday you all could have simply said "screw it, it's the weekend!" and went home. Instead there were fixes to Crimewatch, reinforcing of nodes, and a perfect execution of TiDi. It is great to know that after nine years this game still receives so much support from the the developers. Thanks for the feedback!
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3348
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:33:00 -
[64] - Quote
I WAS THERE!
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:34:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:Aryth wrote:TIDI makes the Blackscreening issue much worse. We've tracked down a likely cause for this, and it's related to how the emergency hot-patch was done. Did you guys continue to experience this problem after Saturday's downtime?
Yes. It was an issue the entire weekend. Very similar to the old 0.0 issues where you never load grid and are dead before you do. |
TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
150
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:36:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:Aryth wrote: Wardecs not being able to be fired upon. This results when a wardec is in place in only one direction. From what I understand, this is a quite old bug. Perhaps it can be fixed with the wardec revamp.
As far as I understand this defect it has been fixed with the new wardecs. We'll likely put in some additional (more sane) checks though.
ohai Dad :D My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
213
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:36:00 -
[67] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. I realise this is your stance (as it should be) but that is not how your blog reads. "Led by Goonswarm...jaw-dropping...stood in awe..." etc. etc." Just sayin' Very clear; we are not taking sides. Don't give in Explorer, these "people", this rabble, just want CCP to condemn Goons for everything. They would absolutely LOVE to see the entirety of the CFC banned from the game. Give these commoners no quarter, and neither will we. The removal of goonswarm would affect me and my little wormhole friends... how exactly? You were right about your badposting but wrong in assuming that it made you funny.
I'm not questioning whether or not you take sides. Just informing you that the blog sounds skewed. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
472
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:39:00 -
[68] - Quote
Aryth wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Aryth wrote:TIDI makes the Blackscreening issue much worse. We've tracked down a likely cause for this, and it's related to how the emergency hot-patch was done. Did you guys continue to experience this problem after Saturday's downtime? Yes. It was an issue the entire weekend. Very similar to the old 0.0 issues where you never load grid and are dead before you do. Well damn, time to keep up the search then. If you happen to have any known instances with char names and times please eve-mail me.
Vile rat wrote:If you want to smug it up in this thread you go right ahead ok? Got most of that out of my system at Fanfest CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
307
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:39:00 -
[69] - Quote
Mr Bigwinky wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:We are not taking any sides here; this was a player-driven event in accordance with game mechanics and we try to support all such events to the best of our abilities. These are your stories. I realise this is your stance (as it should be) but that is not how your blog reads. "Led by Goonswarm...jaw-dropping...stood in awe..." etc. etc." Just sayin' Very clear; we are not taking sides. Don't give in Explorer, these "people", this rabble, just want CCP to condemn Goons for everything. They would absolutely LOVE to see the entirety of the CFC banned from the game. Give these commoners no quarter, and neither will we. The removal of goonswarm would affect me and my little wormhole friends... how exactly? You were right about your badposting but wrong in assuming that it made you funny. I'm not questioning whether or not you take sides. Just informing you that the blog sounds skewed.
"The removal of goonswarm would affect me and my little wormhole friends... You were right about your badposting but...it made you funny."
See, I can quote things out of context and make what you said completely different, too. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
59
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:44:00 -
[70] - Quote
gazarsgo wrote:Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care. Obligatory "u mad?" If you want to play with pretty princesses, rainbows, and unicorns online, then this isn't the game for you
OT but I would totally play that. |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
231
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:45:00 -
[71] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:anyone who thinks they'll be safe just carrying low amounts of cargo should look at the freighter we ganked with 144 thrashers and soil themselves in terror
similarly, anyone that thinks they'll be safe because they have slave implants and +hull HP implants should look at the freighter we ganked (and podded) that had just that. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:46:00 -
[72] - Quote
Just a few questions if you don't mind.
So we obviously had the population cap on the system as mentioned in the blog this as I doubt a whole lot of market trade was happening that day was it still needed due to crimewatch not really scaling well in highsec ?
Given the server needed a population cap if high sec players had filled the system with warm bodies then Burn Jita wouldn't have happened at all?
If that's the case will the reworking of Crimewatch that is occuring improve it's performance enough to rid highsec of population caps? |
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CCP Diagoras
C C P C C P Alliance
841
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
So, kill totals!
Jita solarsystem, April 26th, 27th, 28th, 29th.
NOTE: Lost to NPCs is for losses where *only* NPCs were involved in destroying the ship.
5,319 different characters lost at least one ship. 4,037 lost at least one ship to another player and 2,695 lost at least one to NPCs.
Killed by NPCs (including police): 5,363 Killed by players: 10,880
Alliances scoring most final blows: Goonswarm Federation2188 Test Alliance Please Ignore450 Moar Tears223 Against ALL Authorities189 Noir. Mercenary Group163 Push Interstellar Network154 Tactical Narcotics Team153 Blue Nation151 Valkyrie Coalition130 THORN Alliance126
Alliances who lost the most ships: Goonswarm Federation3998 Test Alliance Please Ignore1548 Fatal Ascension661 Red-Frog397 Tactical Narcotics Team376 Fidelas Constans254 SpaceMonkey's Alliance201 Gentlemen's Agreement140 Test Friends Please Ignore115 C0NVICTED108
Ships lost total, by type: Thrasher4453 Capsule2595 Ibis1912 Tornado1546 Velator628 Impairor519 Reaper478 Rifter410 Catalyst276 Condor203 Cormorant193 Executioner124 Merlin108 Typhoon101 Kestrel98 Atron91 Rupture89 Dominix85 Caldari Shuttle83 Hurricane80
Ships lost total, by group: Destroyer4995 Rookie ship3537 Capsule2595 Battlecruiser1832 Frigate1734 Battleship328 Cruiser256 Industrial225 Shuttle220 Interceptor127
Ships lost to other players, by type: Capsule2595 Thrasher2366 Tornado1297 Ibis899 Velator318 Impairor300 Reaper254 Rifter208 Catalyst144 Cormorant116 Condor100 Typhoon96 Dominix84 Hurricane75 Drake72 Executioner70 Merlin66 Rupture62 Atron55 Heron51
Ships lost to other players, by group: Destroyer2664 Capsule2595 Rookie ship1771 Battlecruiser1560 Frigate1017 Battleship312 Industrial206 Cruiser174 Shuttle150 Interceptor98
Ships lost to NPCs, by type: Thrasher2087 Ibis1013 Velator310 Tornado249 Reaper224 Impairor219 Rifter202 Catalyst132 Condor103 Cormorant77 Executioner54 Kestrel49 Merlin42 Atron36 Caldari Shuttle35 Coercer35 Incursus30 Rupture27 Slasher24 Vigil24
Ships lost to NPCs, by group: Destroyer2331 Rookie ship1766 Frigate717 Battlecruiser272 Cruiser82 Shuttle70 Stealth Bomber38 Interceptor29 Assault Ship19 Industrial19
Characters who scored the most final blows: Neshirana151 Lord Xander144 shood9988142 Vermona109 Shuyen Kyuu108 Meltmind2100 Biced86 Gordane78 Zatler66 Hosha64
I can come up with more on request :) CCP Diagoras - Like EVE stats? Follow me on twitter! |
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Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
7
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:47:00 -
[74] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Precisely. I find consequences to be so much more interesting than immunity ;)
With this sort of thing, I'd almost expect some sort of larger-scaled response by the Caldari Navy. I would find it an fascinating in-game event if the Caldari declared war on the GSF in retaliation. Almost immersion-breaking to see no response from them. Great kick-off to Inferno, maybe? :D |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
233
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:48:00 -
[75] - Quote
CCP Diagoras wrote: I can come up with more on request :)
Total skillpoints lost as a result of podding with an alpha clone?
Jarin Arenos wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Precisely. I find consequences to be so much more interesting than immunity ;) With this sort of thing, I'd almost expect some sort of larger-scaled response by the Caldari Navy. I would find it an fascinating in-game event if the Caldari declared war on the GSF in retaliation. Almost immersion-breaking to see no response from them. Great kick-off to Inferno, maybe? :D Unilateral declaration of war on a player faction by an NPC faction has been a source of...lets say "drama"...in the past.
It'd be fun, I'm just sayin'. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:48:00 -
[76] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Aryth wrote:TIDI makes the Blackscreening issue much worse. We've tracked down a likely cause for this, and it's related to how the emergency hot-patch was done. Did you guys continue to experience this problem after Saturday's downtime? Yes. It was an issue the entire weekend. Very similar to the old 0.0 issues where you never load grid and are dead before you do. Well damn, time to keep up the search then. If you happen to have any known instances with char names and times please eve-mail me. Vile rat wrote:If you want to smug it up in this thread you go right ahead ok? Got most of that out of my system at Fanfest
I am asking around. Hard when people don't remember exactly which KM was blackscreen and which weren't. Some would just die to faction while trying to warp off etc. Hopefully someone has a good memory. |
Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
7
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:51:00 -
[77] - Quote
corestwo wrote:[quote=CCP Diagoras]Unilateral declaration of war on a player faction by an NPC faction has been a source of...lets say "drama"...in the past. It'd be fun, I'm just sayin'. Oh? Only in the game for a year or so, and my history of past events is a bit... spotty. Something like this has happened before?
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
213
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:53:00 -
[78] - Quote
CCP Diagoras wrote:Lightning fast statistics.. Incredible amount of carnage.
As for requests, how about:
GÇó Freighters lost, by type GÇó Alliance who lost the most industrial ships GÇó People that lost the most ships GÇó People that lost the most capsules
Thanks! Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
474
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:54:00 -
[79] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:Just a few questions if you don't mind.
So we obviously had the population cap on the system as mentioned in the blog this as I doubt a whole lot of market trade was happening that day was it still needed due to crimewatch not really scaling well in highsec ?
Given the server needed a population cap if high sec players had filled the system with warm bodies then Burn Jita wouldn't have happened at all?
If that's the case will the reworking of Crimewatch that is occuring improve it's performance enough to rid highsec of population caps? The majority of the ambient load in Jita on a normal day is due to player movements - jumping in/out, docking/undocking and switching ships (voluntarily or otherwise). These are fairly expensive actions, and since they were still happening in large number during the event, I'm fairly safe assuming that they were a bulk of the ambient load in this event as well. We have a project in the pipe for solving this load.
The refactoring of Crimewatch should help the spikes come down a fair bit as well, so I suspect that a similar event done in, say, a year from now should have a very different performance characteristic. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
366
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:54:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Zhentar wrote:Any chance we could also get the list of dead ships in Jita from Friday - Sunday? I'll ask around and see if CCP Diagoras can provide details. And he posted, see above. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Aebe Amraen
Logolepsy
12
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:54:00 -
[81] - Quote
Quote:We wanted to keep things fairly low at this point as we had found a few bugs in how Crime Watch worked under Time Dilation.
Can we get some details on this bug? Specifically, Friday morning (EVE time) I was hanging out in Jita killing GCC folks, and somehow got concorded without receiving a warning popup before shooting. The person I got concorded for supposedly killing (sec status drops for both aggression and killing) doesn't show up on my kill log. I petitioned it but haven't yet received a reply.
Any chance this is related? |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
235
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:55:00 -
[82] - Quote
Jarin Arenos wrote:corestwo wrote:Unilateral declaration of war on a player faction by an NPC faction has been a source of...lets say "drama"...in the past. It'd be fun, I'm just sayin'. Oh? Only in the game for a year or so, and my history of past events is a bit... spotty. Something like this has happened before? Edit: It's not like they'd even need out of game info. CCP Diagoras' statistics there very clearly show GSF and Test at the heart of this unprovoked terrorist attack at the heart of Caldari space. <.<
It's very much a back in the day thing but quite awhile ago the Serpentis declared war on the then-dominant Band of Brothers. The Serpentis armada was wiped out and just happened to drop plenty of juicy X-Type and officer loot for the victorious BoB. As you might imagine, there were plenty of accusations of favoritism. |
Stephen Haags
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:55:00 -
[83] - Quote
corestwo wrote:CCP Diagoras wrote: I can come up with more on request :)
Total skillpoints lost as a result of podding with an alpha clone?
I concurr this is prolly the most interesting/important information not available through the API, CCP pls deliver!
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Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
110
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:55:00 -
[84] - Quote
CCP Diagoras wrote:I can come up with more on request :)
Price index change in relation to previous week? |
Zhentar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:55:00 -
[85] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Zhentar wrote:Any chance we could also get the list of dead ships in Jita from Friday - Sunday? I'll ask around and see if CCP Diagoras can provide details. And he posted, see above.
Dev of the hour, right here, it's official. You can wear a party hat and everything. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
235
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:57:00 -
[86] - Quote
Iamien wrote:CCP Diagoras wrote:I can come up with more on request :) Freighter Losses?
57 total as well as 14 jump freighters.
Freighters: http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13186847 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13190205 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13187828 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13188249 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13189033 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13189241 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13189794 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13190066 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13190206 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13190745 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13194205 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13194558 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13195123 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13195863 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13196219 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13196563 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13197995 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13198203 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13199419 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13201154 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13201757 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13201920 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13202828 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13204070 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13203324 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13203785 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13204153 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13205479 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13205778 http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13206491
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
308
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:58:00 -
[87] - Quote
Jarin Arenos wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Precisely. I find consequences to be so much more interesting than immunity ;) With this sort of thing, I'd almost expect some sort of larger-scaled response by the Caldari Navy. I would find it an fascinating in-game event if the Caldari declared war on the GSF in retaliation. Almost immersion-breaking to see no response from them. Great kick-off to Inferno, maybe? :D
Because enforcing the law between capsuleers is purely the job of Concord? That is what Concord was created for, lore-wise. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
582
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:59:00 -
[88] - Quote
nice going CCP, you've almost brought eve online to the point you used to advertise it a few years ago!
Keep going! polish polish our game!
-New crazy fancy UI, like in the trailers shows new players how transversal works, shows off eve combat. -new item window! let us finally find our stuff. -new ship models and paint jobs! -Missiles! <3 no more 1st impressions of eve being "so the missiles just pop out of the middle of your ship?" -shots missing and shots hitting shields/armor/hull in different spots! having shields stop the attacks from hitting your hull. -Warp speed mechanics overhauled -Dust 514 integration / make sov warfare in 0.0 "fun" -Multiple characters in Captains quarters / a general area for avatars to meet? -fix lag! which you seem to be achieving! -Shiplines finally, an eve where every ship has a role!
Once all of these changes finally come through, eve will finally be the awesome game it was meant to be imo. This dev blog is just another step in that direction. Can't wait to see eve finally Mature! Eve 2.0 is coming!
Oh, and then please, as long as you keep a balance team running, go back and do more jesus features. Just please, don't get distracted! Your so close! We're so close!
I look forward to the day eve is the largest mmo ever! |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
615
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:59:00 -
[89] - Quote
Based on this player comment from the devblog, I'd like to point towards one of my threads concerning overview filtering.
Quote:Among the Jita Burners complaints are few and praise is plentiful, but we all agree that without TiDi none of this would have been possible. In fact, after asking all of our allies what they thought I only received one complaint! The only real problems that I was asked to mention was blackscreening on undock and not being able to make a war target only overview.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=840818#post840818
Thanks! Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
xOm3gAx
Stain of Mind Twilight Imperium
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:00:00 -
[90] - Quote
This was very reminiscent of when zombie took yulai. You old people know what im talking about, with some key differences obviously =)
Good show.
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Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
7
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:00:00 -
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corestwo wrote:It's very much a back in the day thing but quite awhile ago the Serpentis declared war on the then-dominant Band of Brothers. The Serpentis armada was wiped out and just happened to drop plenty of juicy X-Type and officer loot for the victorious BoB. As you might imagine, there were plenty of accusations of favoritism. Seems like it'd be easy to avoid this sort of pitfall in future events. Though I guess it'd be difficult to avoid bringing up distasteful old reminders for longer-term players.
Edit: Still, just the simple response of the Caldari faction setting GSF/CFC as a semi-permanent -10 (as opposed to relying on the relatively broken sec status mechanic) would be an interesting development, even if they aren't tossing easily-smashed fleets into nullsec. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:01:00 -
[92] - Quote
Note, many of the kills happened in perimeter and sobi. Especially some of the most expensive. So you may want to include those in the stats. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:01:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Just a few questions if you don't mind.
So we obviously had the population cap on the system as mentioned in the blog this as I doubt a whole lot of market trade was happening that day was it still needed due to crimewatch not really scaling well in highsec ?
Given the server needed a population cap if high sec players had filled the system with warm bodies then Burn Jita wouldn't have happened at all?
If that's the case will the reworking of Crimewatch that is occuring improve it's performance enough to rid highsec of population caps? The majority of the ambient load in Jita on a normal day is due to player movements - jumping in/out, docking/undocking and switching ships (voluntarily or otherwise). These are fairly expensive actions, and since they were still happening in large number during the event, I'm fairly safe assuming that they were a bulk of the ambient load in this event as well. We have a project in the pipe for solving this load. The refactoring of Crimewatch should help the spikes come down a fair bit as well, so I suspect that a similar event done in, say, a year from now should have a very different performance characteristic.
Thanks for the reply and interesting, I look forward to the changes and I'm sure blogs |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:03:00 -
[94] - Quote
CCP smugness in the devblog and in these posts is very well deserved.
The dilemma: is CFC happy that CCP finally delivered an environment where Burn Jita is not only possible, but actually enjoyable; or is CCP happy that CFC gave them the chance to showoff their best server-fu?
In the end, everyone is happy that the sandbox works as intended, both technically and as player-driven content. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
235
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:04:00 -
[95] - Quote
Katrina Bekers wrote:CCP smugness in the devblog and in these posts is very well deserved.
The dilemma: is CFC happy that CCP finally delivered an environment where Burn Jita is not only possible, but actually enjoyable; or is CCP happy that CFC gave them the chance to showoff their best server-fu?
In the end, everyone is happy that the sandbox works as intended, both technically and as player-driven content.
Can't it be both? I mean CCP did ask for more extensive tests of TiDi at fanfest... |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:07:00 -
[96] - Quote
Katrina Bekers wrote: In the end, everyone is happy.
I'm sure there are a some that may not fit that statement |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
478
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:07:00 -
[97] - Quote
Aebe Amraen wrote:Quote:We wanted to keep things fairly low at this point as we had found a few bugs in how Crime Watch worked under Time Dilation. Can we get some details on this bug? Specifically, Friday morning (EVE time) I was hanging out in Jita killing GCC folks, and somehow got concorded without receiving a warning popup before shooting. The person I got concorded for supposedly killing (sec status drops for both aggression and killing) doesn't show up on my kill log. I petitioned it but haven't yet received a reply. Any chance this is related? Quite possible. Petitioning is the right route, the GMs are aware of what was going on. I'm sure their queue is mildly impressive after all this CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:09:00 -
[98] - Quote
Katrina Bekers wrote:CCP smugness in the devblog and in these posts is very well deserved.
The dilemma: is CFC happy that CCP finally delivered an environment where Burn Jita is not only possible, but actually enjoyable; or is CCP happy that CFC gave them the chance to showoff their best server-fu?
In the end, everyone is happy that the sandbox works as intended, both technically and as player-driven content.
Both
We know this wasn't possible even a year ago. This was actually attempted once before, the concord spawn crashed the node.
Nerfing boomeranging was a slight damper as that was the original basis of the thrasher fleet, but it didn't change our ability for carnage in general.
Everyone won with this event. Except of course the guys flying 15B isk freighters that got popped. |
Valkyrs
Deep Vein Trading
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:12:00 -
[99] - Quote
Awesome stuff CCP, both on tweaking the system while these dynamic battles are going on but also providing the stats and graphs to get some sense of scale for those of us not willing to risk our lives to see it!
Keep it up. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition
1065
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:23:00 -
[100] - Quote
http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l338/Xenoninja42/datgraph.png The Drake is a Lie |
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Imuran
Zentor Industries
10
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:24:00 -
[101] - Quote
Been in Eve a fair time now and the fact that the Jita node supported this type of activity and numbers shows how far CCP have come in addressing the lag monster with both hardware and software solutions. Very well done to all those invovled over the years in this process.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
100
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:24:00 -
[102] - Quote
Looks like CCP wanted Burn Jita to happen just to test their server load and TiDi, and also to promote their server and game. Really does sound like some kind of collusion going on between certain parties and CCP. ;) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
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CCP Diagoras
C C P C C P Alliance
847
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:25:00 -
[103] - Quote
Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Diagoras wrote:Lightning fast statistics.. Incredible amount of carnage. As for requests, how about: GÇó Freighters lost, by type GÇó Alliance who lost the most industrial ships GÇó People that lost the most ships GÇó People that lost the most capsules Thanks!
I won't go into individual people for losses, sorry! But the others (Jita only, the previous post with kill links included neighbouring systems):
Freighters: 37 Obelisk17 Charon14 Fenrir4 Providence2
Jump Freighters: 9 Rhea6 Nomad1 Anshar1 Ark1
Of the 337 "industrial" ships lost (I expanded it to be not just industrials but freighters, jump freighters, transport ships, exhumers, mining barges and industrial command ships), alliances who lost the most:
Goonswarm Federation28 Test Alliance Please Ignore5 Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance4 Fatal Ascension4 Tactical Narcotics Team3
On the SP lost front, I'll take a look but will probably take a while before I can get to that. CCP Diagoras - Like EVE stats? Follow me on twitter! |
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
282
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:25:00 -
[104] - Quote
CCP karkur wrote:I have not seen that defect... could you please explain better? If would also be excellent if you could file a bugreport from within the client, because then we get your settings so it will be easier for us to figure out if there is some problem with the settings. The first thing that comes to mind is whether you have the "neutral" unchecked, and those guys are neutral (and since the overview settings are the way they are, iirc, if you have some category a character belongs to unchecked it will not display him/her in the overview). I am not saying you don't know what you are doing, just the only thing that comes to mind right now
Bug ID 106977 Overview Broken : No longer possible to make a -¦blue-only-¦ filter. Reported 2011.01.30 19:56 Status Attached to a defect.
It was the introduction of the 'Pilot has no standing' criteria which broke this. What it comes down to it is impossible to filter out neutrals these days. While this is not a big problem in 0.0 (except for logistics) it is a big problem in highsec. Note that this was working before above mentioned change.
Thanks for responding. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
293
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:28:00 -
[105] - Quote
Aebe Amraen wrote:Quote:We wanted to keep things fairly low at this point as we had found a few bugs in how Crime Watch worked under Time Dilation. Can we get some details on this bug? Specifically, Friday morning (EVE time) I was hanging out in Jita killing GCC folks, and somehow got concorded without receiving a warning popup before shooting. The person I got concorded for supposedly killing (sec status drops for both aggression and killing) doesn't show up on my kill log. I petitioned it but haven't yet received a reply. Any chance this is related?
This issue originally came up in this thread. Because the Jita node was running dilated, it effectively meant neighbouring systems on other nodes were running at a sped-up rate (relatively speaking). This caused some issues with clients - specifically a client in Jita believing that a bad guy had 15 minutes of 'Jita-time' GCC. However if that bad guy had left Jita, spent his GCC time elsewhere, and then returned (so from the PoV of Jita he had fast-forwarded through time), the server would happily accept that he was now innocent (having served his time). But your client (running dilated due to Jita-time) might think he had maybe 7 minutes of GCC left. Hence why he appears red to you. When you try to fire on him, your client sees the (incorrect) red flag, and so doesn't give the usual "Are you sure - CONCORDOKKEN?" warning. The server receives your open-fire request, and happily follows it. It then happily bring in CONCORD to kill you for attacking an innocent person. (This is now reminding me of studying Special Relativity and the Twin Paradox)
The server had the full information and did the right thing. The client had incomplete and incorrect information and did the wrong thing. These kind of 'incomplete information' trade-offs are absolutely essential to obtaining any kind of scalability. Normally you make certain assumptions (such as "15 minutes here is the same as 15 minutes there") in order to bring down client-server interactions to a sane level.
On Friday evening, we live-fixed a solution for this on to the Jita node. This fix was then rolled out to all nodes during the Saturday-morning downtime.
The GMs are aware of the particularities of this defect, and are working through a number of related cases. If someone has petitioned a loss like this, then it will get looked at as they get through the queue. "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
238
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:29:00 -
[106] - Quote
CCP Diagoras wrote:Mr Bigwinky wrote:CCP Diagoras wrote:Lightning fast statistics.. Incredible amount of carnage. As for requests, how about: GÇó Freighters lost, by type GÇó Alliance who lost the most industrial ships GÇó People that lost the most ships GÇó People that lost the most capsules Thanks! I won't go into individual people for losses, sorry! But the others (Jita only, the previous post with kill links included neighbouring systems): Freighters: 37Obelisk17 Charon14 Fenrir4 Providence2 Jump Freighters: 9Rhea6 Nomad1 Anshar1 Ark1 Of the 337 "industrial" ships lost (I expanded it to be not just industrials but freighters, jump freighters, transport ships, exhumers, mining barges and industrial command ships), alliances who lost the most: Goonswarm Federation28 Test Alliance Please Ignore5 Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance4 Fatal Ascension4 Tactical Narcotics Team3 On the SP lost front, I'll take a look but will probably take a while before I can get to that.
Ah yes, my links did include outside Jita. Occasionally we'd engage in the surrounding systems to keep something juicy from escaping, especially when population caps were low and people couldn't get in. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:32:00 -
[107] - Quote
Yes, the population cap meant that ganking in Jita was actually the wrong choice for most of the weekend. Nice juicy targets would stack up trying to get into Jita and getting the node full message. So you had plenty of time to scan them all and blow them up. So anytime the node was full, we jumped into another system and ganked everyone waiting to get in.
Good times. |
Drago Palermus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:33:00 -
[108] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:-Missiles! <3 no more 1st impressions of eve being "so the missiles just pop out of the middle of your ship?" This is in the works: http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU3cxDDMpYTZ7PqZma4NdNuA&feature=player_detailpage&v=XNc8VAmtO5E#t=180s
MotherMoon wrote:-Multiple characters in Captains quarters / a general area for avatars to meet?
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
241
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:44:00 -
[109] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:-Multiple characters in Captains quarters / a general area for avatars to meet?
No. This path is a dark one, filled with terrors and things unspeakable. We do not want to go down it. |
Ines Fy
Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:46:00 -
[110] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:Aryth wrote:TIDI makes the Blackscreening issue much worse. We've tracked down a likely cause for this, and it's related to how the emergency hot-patch was done. Did you guys continue to experience this problem after Saturday's downtime?
this happen to me several times, I had to log out and in so I can see anything. It happen friday night, saturday morning before the downtime and later the hot patch, it also happen sunday, but less times. All the times it happen, TIdi had kick in. |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
630
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:53:00 -
[111] - Quote
CCP Masterplan wrote:.......... Description of the crimewatch bug.............
What happens now? What was the fix?
I could see:
Inform all clients of the correct time GCC time when someone jumps into system; Make the 15 minute timer not subject to TiDi; Something else...?
What was the fix? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Pole Dancer
Obvious Alt Corp New Eden Research.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 15:58:00 -
[112] - Quote
Is it just me that finds it amusing that CCP drops the F word (evading the profanity filter) twice in a document that's going to be widely linked to from gaming news sites which also has a large PEGI 12 rating at the bottom?
What a F*** up!
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Nomad I
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:01:00 -
[113] - Quote
Louis deGuerre wrote:[quote=CCP karkur]I have not seen that defect... could you please explain better? If would also be It was the introduction of the 'Pilot has no standing' criteria which broke this. What it comes down to it is impossible to filter out neutrals these days. While this is not a big problem in 0.0 (except for logistics) it is a big problem in highsec. Note that this was working before above mentioned change.
Thanks for responding.
------------------ BUG -------------------- No it isn't a filter problem. The information about alliance or corp is missing after a session change. Those pilots are neutral to others. It's an annoying bug in 0.0. It happens with heayv server load. ------------------ BUG -------------------- |
Blue Harrier
46
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:02:00 -
[114] - Quote
Although I didnGÇÖt take part I did watch the GÇÿLive StreamGÇÖ from the event most evenings, thanks to the guys who set that up it was great in 720P on my laptop, better than watching TV.
So, well done to the CCP Devs for getting Eve to the point of being able to host such an event without bursting into flames and without failing under load (I hope you gave the poor hamsters a day off as a reward).
I must give credit to the Goons and their FCGÇÖs for being able to organise the event. Watching the groups of ships warping in and out, clustering at bookmarks and swooping back to wrought havoc on the masses was entertaining to say the least.
I still could not believe the freighters that undocked at the top of the carnage and still tried to make it to a gate, silly, brave, foolish or just unable to read their surroundings, your guess is as good as mine.
So CCP that event alone must have given you terabytes of data to sift through and ponder over, must have been worth many SiSi mass tests.
Thanks again guys. The Goons for the organisation, the live stream guys for going into harms way and CCP for letting it happen.
"You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982. |
Sara Rae
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:11:00 -
[115] - Quote
Could you add some corp stats? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:16:00 -
[116] - Quote
Katrina Bekers wrote:CCP smugness in the devblog and in these posts is very well deserved.
The dilemma: is CFC happy that CCP finally delivered an environment where Burn Jita is not only possible, but actually enjoyable; or is CCP happy that CFC gave them the chance to showoff their best server-fu?
In the end, everyone is happy that the sandbox works as intended, both technically and as player-driven content. We're happy to be able to provide good service to anyone that wants to make a splash.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:17:00 -
[117] - Quote
corestwo wrote:Katrina Bekers wrote:CCP smugness in the devblog and in these posts is very well deserved.
The dilemma: is CFC happy that CCP finally delivered an environment where Burn Jita is not only possible, but actually enjoyable; or is CCP happy that CFC gave them the chance to showoff their best server-fu?
In the end, everyone is happy that the sandbox works as intended, both technically and as player-driven content. Can't it be both? I mean CCP did ask for more extensive tests of TiDi at fanfest... And we sure got that testing. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
309
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:17:00 -
[118] - Quote
Pole Dancer wrote:Is it just me that finds it amusing that CCP drops the F word (evading the profanity filter) twice in a document that's going to be widely linked to from gaming news sites which also has a large PEGI 12 rating at the bottom?
What a F*** up!
Hint: CCP doesn't care about your sensitive little pre-teen ears. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:18:00 -
[119] - Quote
Imuran wrote:Been in Eve a fair time now and the fact that the Jita node supported this type of activity and numbers shows how far CCP have come in addressing the lag monster with both hardware and software solutions. Very well done to all those invovled over the years in this process. Thank you! Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Jon Hellguard
X-COM
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:25:00 -
[120] - Quote
i was there. great work at ccp with real solid improvement on massgameplay for us players.
however... i'm terribly annoyed by the fact that thousands of pilots are not allowed to blow up jita station. c'mon ccp... you self introduced the cycle of eve and you self showed us the mudflation issue. your great, in fact awesome at not delivering much of a change - but opening up a window of opportunity to blow that station up would not just give eve a breaking news but us players a real cool moment to take part in. In fact... some might have tried to defend it?
it's 2012 - not just the world should end. Let's pre-play the economic failure and destruction in-game. c'mon grow some f* balls! |
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
70
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:27:00 -
[121] - Quote
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
Not sure if real care-bear tears or troll!
Not_Sure_If_Gusta.jpg G¥Æ Single G¥Æ Taken G£ö Playing EVE Online
CCP Guard > Where's the shoot button on this thing? CCP Space Cadet > What's this "offline guns" button do? http://tinyurl.com/dxwseds |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Persona Non Gratis
57
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:28:00 -
[122] - Quote
Sure the whole thing was a pain in the arse for many people, but I can't help but be impressed by the player logistical work, and the ability of CCP to deal with the sudden server load and then explain to us with graphs (<3) just how they did it.
Show me another game (yes, game - how mad can you really get over a game?) where something like this could happen with no dev input "Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:34:00 -
[123] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:.......... Description of the crimewatch bug............. What happens now? What was the fix? I could see: Inform all clients of the correct time GCC time when someone jumps into system; Make the 15 minute timer not subject to TiDi; Something else...? What was the fix? The issue was the following: When player A acquired GCC then Jita was informed and everyone cached the timer. Then player A left Jita, served the GCC on another node not under TiDi and came back to Jita. The Jita server cleared the GCC but the clients in Jita still had the old timer cached; therefore player A was blinking red as legitimate target but if someone actually shot then the server would activate CONCORD.
The fix was to not rely on cached timers from the last time but rather have player A's client inform the solarsystem on arrival about the GCC having run out on a different node (that was not under TiDi) and have everyone clear their local cache. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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44000
A Black Spot Elemental Tide
3
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:42:00 -
[124] - Quote
great blog, really fun read, well done CCP and kodos to Goons for this, awesome work ^^ |
Gothikia
Regeneration Violent Society
14
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:43:00 -
[125] - Quote
These stats were wonderful and I'm so glad I was there to monitor events and livestream them along with LancerSix, Haffrage and Oortog. We had a hell of a blast commentating, getting drunk, looting, salvaging and trying to smartbomb a AAA fleet of munnin's in a geddon at the end of the festivities.
Thanks to Mittens for making this a memorable one in EVE. CEO, Regeneration || www.r-gen.org Regeneration recruitment thread:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52145&find=unread |
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
77
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:43:00 -
[126] - Quote
Graph pron. Excellent dev blog! |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:45:00 -
[127] - Quote
Bagehi wrote:Graph pron. Excellent dev blog! Thank you, gladed you liked it! Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Zastrow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:47:00 -
[128] - Quote
This dev blog owns. Burn jita was fun as hell and (almost)everything worked!
Also i was quoted woot |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
310
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:48:00 -
[129] - Quote
Could we get a little info on the one-sided Wardec bug that was observed on Sunday night? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:49:00 -
[130] - Quote
Zastrow wrote:This dev blog owns. Burn jita was fun as hell and (almost)everything worked!
Also i was quoted woot Nice to hear that you liked it (and that stuff worked). Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1108
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:53:00 -
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Excellent blog!
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
51
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:54:00 -
[132] - Quote
A big thank you to CCP for making this possible and all the players who attended this event. This is why we love Eve. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2012.05.02 16:57:00 -
[133] - Quote
Alexandra Delarge wrote:A big thank you to CCP for making this possible and all the players who attended this event. This is why we love Eve. Thank you, deeply appreciated! Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:04:00 -
[134] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:What happens now? What was the fix?
I could see:
Inform all clients of the correct time GCC time when someone jumps into system; Make the 15 minute timer not subject to TiDi; Something else...?
What was the fix? The issue was the following: When player A acquired GCC then Jita was informed and everyone cached the timer. Then player A left Jita, served the GCC on another node not under TiDi and came back to Jita. The Jita server cleared the GCC but the clients in Jita still had the old timer cached; therefore player A was blinking red as legitimate target but if someone actually shot then the server would activate CONCORD. The fix was to not rely on cached timers from the last time but rather have player A's client inform the solarsystem on arrival about the GCC having run out on a different node (that was not under TiDi) and have everyone clear their local cache. Edit: See CCP Masterplan's reply here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1231364#post1231364
We unintentionally made this far worse when we discovered GCC's were impacted by TIDI. It became common practice early on to tell people to wait out their GCC outside Jita as the timer ran at 100% normal in Perim/Sobi. So quite often they would come back into Jita and someone would try to pod them or gank. |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
295
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:05:00 -
[135] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:.......... Description of the crimewatch bug............. What happens now? What was the fix? I could see: Inform all clients of the correct time GCC time when someone jumps into system; Make the 15 minute timer not subject to TiDi; Something else...? What was the fix? You pretty much got it with your first idea. A critical part of the bug was if someone entered a system with no GCC timer, then nothing happened (a pretty reasonable thing to do, but ultimately wrong if they previously had a GCC timer that some clients think might still exists due to dilation).
Now if someone enters with no GCC, but had the incoming node has memory of them having a GCC recently, then an explicit "This person has no aggression, so he is innocent" update is sent to clients. This ensures they aren't operating under a false assumption. "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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Igitur Agnus
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:06:00 -
[136] - Quote
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
The guys that created EVE used to be griefers in Ultima Online...so what side and play style did you expect them to favor?
Also I think that they're giving the goons due credit in planning and executing this, even if it "crippled" the economy of EVE for a day or two.
Mostly though I think CCP is just really happy about their hardware and software coming through after some serious problem solving and hard work.
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Swearte Widfarend
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
72
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:35:00 -
[137] - Quote
CCP Veritas wrote:The refactoring of Crimewatch should help the spikes come down a fair bit as well, so I suspect that a similar event done in, say, a year from now should have a very different performance characteristic.
Not putting words in your mouth Veritas, but that sounds like an invitation Democracy is only as good as the despot managing the voting booth. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
1472
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:36:00 -
[138] - Quote
Jarin Arenos wrote:corestwo wrote:It's very much a back in the day thing but quite awhile ago the Serpentis declared war on the then-dominant Band of Brothers. The Serpentis armada was wiped out and just happened to drop plenty of juicy X-Type and officer loot for the victorious BoB. As you might imagine, there were plenty of accusations of favoritism. Seems like it'd be easy to avoid this sort of pitfall in future events. Though I guess it'd be difficult to avoid bringing up distasteful old reminders for longer-term players. Edit: Still, just the simple response of the Caldari faction setting GSF/CFC as a semi-permanent -10 (as opposed to relying on the relatively broken sec status mechanic) would be an interesting development, even if they aren't tossing easily-smashed fleets into nullsec.
There's an even worse example that more directly falls in line with what you're suggesting, the Dev fleet that broke up the M0o Gatecamp back in 2003.
Linkey!
Having NPCs start aggressively attacking a subset of EvE is a bad idea. That's what Players are for.
More Directly On-Topic: Pretty Graph **** to wrap up an even more spectacular event. Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Granix Uvelian
Epsilon Inc STORM.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:39:00 -
[139] - Quote
I was flying out of Jita when the node (Thursday night for me in NA PST timezone) was lagged down to 16% TiDi!!
It worked like a charm, and felt like I was in a miniature episode of The Matrix. Everything moving slow mo. I must admit that I'm not a big fan of null-sec, but have wanted to see TiDi in effect because I think it's an important addition to the game. Thank you Goons for making this happen. I may not always like some of the things you guys do, but I appreciate the interaction between Null-sec and hi-sec.
Props to CCP for a job well done this last weekend!
~ Granix |
Amy Garzan
Department of Defence Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:47:00 -
[140] - Quote
One of the best blogs ever! |
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GRIEV3R
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
24
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Posted - 2012.05.02 17:54:00 -
[141] - Quote
Outstanding job, CCP! I love bragging about how great a game Eve is to my friends who play other games. What a great community and a great dev team. I love this game so much!
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
147
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:01:00 -
[142] - Quote
lots of tin foil hat wearing players in this thread On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
549
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:06:00 -
[143] - Quote
burn jita was kinda fun, shooting teh goons and all.... kinda didn't feel like it effected eve though |
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CCP Masterplan
C C P C C P Alliance
299
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:08:00 -
[144] - Quote
Lyron-Baktos wrote:lots of tin foil hat wearing players in this thread It's almost like we secretly have shares in the leading headwear and aluminium foil companies... "This one time, on patch day..." CCP Masterplan -á| -áTeam Five-0: Rewriting the law |
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WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:12:00 -
[145] - Quote
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
Concord's role is to punish people AFTER THE FACT, not surround you in bubble wrap. Grow up. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
1472
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:18:00 -
[146] - Quote
CCP Masterplan wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:lots of tin foil hat wearing players in this thread It's almost like we secretly have shares in the leading headwear and aluminium foil companies...
"CCP Masterplan C C P C C P Alliance Likes received: 300"
THIS. IS. CCP. Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
910
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:23:00 -
[147] - Quote
CCP Masterplan wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:lots of tin foil hat wearing players in this thread It's almost like we secretly have shares in the leading headwear and aluminium foil companies...
it all makes sense now!
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malaire
385
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:28:00 -
[148] - Quote
CCP Masterplan wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Masterplan wrote:.......... Description of the crimewatch bug............. What happens now? What was the fix? I could see: Inform all clients of the correct time GCC time when someone jumps into system; Make the 15 minute timer not subject to TiDi; Something else...? What was the fix? You pretty much got it with your first idea. A critical part of the bug was if someone entered a system with no GCC timer, then nothing happened (a pretty reasonable thing to do, but ultimately wrong if they previously had a GCC timer that some clients think might still exists due to dilation). Now if someone enters with no GCC, but had the incoming node has memory of them having a GCC recently, then an explicit "This person has no aggression, so he is innocent" update is sent to clients. This ensures they aren't operating under a false assumption. What about a case where person coming back to system still has some GCC time left, but less than what is cached in other clients? New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
381
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:31:00 -
[149] - Quote
Amy Garzan wrote:One of the best blogs ever! \o/
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
148
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:38:00 -
[150] - Quote
I was hoping to see CCP partake in some kind of role playing to spice things up but do see that if they did, then it would be perceived as favoritism. Would have been interesting. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
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Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:52:00 -
[151] - Quote
Captain Thunk wrote:I'd rather people have the ability to defend JIta (if they so wish)
This time round some people did war dec Goonswarm Federation and attempt to make a stand. The fact they actually failed is irrelevent, they at least had the option. Next time that option won't exist unless they wish to pay the 4.2bn war dec fee a week for the privilege.
But Large Null sec alliances need protecting from terrible awful soul destroying grief war decs from 1 man corps, so I guess nothing can be done about it.
I don't understand the new wardec mechanics much, but is this something that needs to be looked at as 'unintended consequences'? That all 'burn Jita'-type events will be much more one-sided in the future? |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.02 18:53:00 -
[152] - Quote
Jon Hellguard wrote:i was there. great work at ccp with real solid improvement on massgameplay for us players.
however... i'm terribly annoyed by the fact that thousands of pilots are not allowed to blow up jita station. c'mon ccp... you self introduced the cycle of eve and you self showed us the mudflation issue. your great, in fact awesome at not delivering much of a change - but opening up a window of opportunity to blow that station up would not just give eve a breaking news but us players a real cool moment to take part in. In fact... some might have tried to defend it? Btw. i thought you wanted to reduce hubs. It's soo simple... sooo darn simple. Let us blow them up and show us the new explosion effects as well :D
it's 2012 - not just the world should end. Let's pre-play the economic failure and destruction in-game. c'mon grow some f* balls!
That would entail enabling the Caldari to take real action against their attackers, would it not? After all, the station is a highly profitable part of Caldari space, and would be defended accordingly (especially being so near to the capital system) |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1201
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:00:00 -
[153] - Quote
Lyron-Baktos wrote:I was hoping to see CCP partake in some kind of role playing to spice things up but do see that if they did, then it would be perceived as favoritism. Would have been interesting.
You know if this happened we'd cheer as much as anybody. Content owns, it don't matter if we win or lose whatever fight, just being able to play a game with cool things to do and fun things going on is why we're here. |
Dersen Lowery
Children of Armok Ushra'Khan
19
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:03:00 -
[154] - Quote
Duvida wrote:Jon Hellguard wrote:i was there. great work at ccp with real solid improvement on massgameplay for us players.
however... i'm terribly annoyed by the fact that thousands of pilots are not allowed to blow up jita station. c'mon ccp... you self introduced the cycle of eve and you self showed us the mudflation issue. your great, in fact awesome at not delivering much of a change - but opening up a window of opportunity to blow that station up would not just give eve a breaking news but us players a real cool moment to take part in. In fact... some might have tried to defend it? Btw. i thought you wanted to reduce hubs. It's soo simple... sooo darn simple. Let us blow them up and show us the new explosion effects as well :D
it's 2012 - not just the world should end. Let's pre-play the economic failure and destruction in-game. c'mon grow some f* balls! That would entail enabling the Caldari to take real action against their attackers, would it not? After all, the station is a highly profitable part of Caldari space, and would be defended accordingly (especially being so near to the capital system)
Let's think about that: When an actual nation comes under attack, several things happen. It (generally) raises taxes, and constrains the private use of any resources critical to its military operations. Then, by one means or another, it rallies an army to its defense. Now, we have the Serpentis/BoB event as a negative example, but we also have it as canon that conventionally piloted ships can't stand up to capsuleer-piloted ships. To back that up, we also have it as in-game history that the Serpentis got roflstomped. So, who would the Caldari State call upon to defend against an attack by capsuleers? Capsuleers.
With enough carrots and the right sticks, you could turn an event like this into some combination of an Incursion (wartime taxes and restrictions) and Factional Warfare on a truly grand scale. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
148
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:08:00 -
[155] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:I was hoping to see CCP partake in some kind of role playing to spice things up but do see that if they did, then it would be perceived as favoritism. Would have been interesting. You know if this happened we'd cheer as much as anybody. Content owns, it don't matter if we win or lose whatever fight, just being able to play a game with cool things to do and fun things going on is why we're here.
Not true. If CCP had role played by making concord more powerful or having the Caldari Navy respond or declare war on the goons, CCP would have been viewed as anti-goon. Even their little warning on the log in page can be viewed as anti-goon and I'm not sure why they even did that.
CCP can either play in the sandbox officially or they can't play in it. No inbetween
On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
28
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:10:00 -
[156] - Quote
Dersen Lowery wrote:Let's think about that: When an actual nation comes under attack, several things happen. It (generally) raises taxes, and constrains the private use of any resources critical to its military operations. Then, by one means or another, it rallies an army to its defense. Now, we have the Serpentis/BoB event as a negative example, but we also have it as canon that conventionally piloted ships can't stand up to capsuleer-piloted ships. To back that up, we also have it as in-game history that the Serpentis got roflstomped. So, who would the Caldari State call upon to defend against an attack by capsuleers? Capsuleers.
With enough carrots and the right sticks, you could turn an event like this into some combination of an Incursion (wartime taxes and restrictions) and Factional Warfare on a truly grand scale.
Are you suggesting that the Caldari Militia members would have bounties paid to them for shooting Goons (or whomever)?
That would be . . . interesting.
MDD |
Kryxal
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
0
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:12:00 -
[157] - Quote
CCP Masterplan wrote: You pretty much got it with your first idea. A critical part of the bug was if someone entered a system with no GCC timer, then nothing happened (a pretty reasonable thing to do, but ultimately wrong if they previously had a GCC timer that some clients think might still exists due to dilation).
Now if someone enters with no GCC, but had the incoming node has memory of them having a GCC recently, then an explicit "This person has no aggression, so he is innocent" update is sent to clients. This ensures they aren't operating under a false assumption.
I hope you did something similar to prevent things like re-entering with a minute left on the GCC, letting it expire server-side, and setting people up to be concordokkened. I could see it happening if they wait out 10 minutes outside while 2 minutes pass, and the sync isn't deemed needed.
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Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
10
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Posted - 2012.05.02 19:39:00 -
[158] - Quote
Honestly, something as simple as setting the alliance (and current members, so no corp-dropping for the weekend to dodge it) as outlaws would have been perfectly reasonable. You don't have Empire NPCs trying to engage capsuleers then (as stated, they'd probably be outclassed), you just allow the highsec capsuleers to "defend their investments" without CONCORD stopping it. |
Raneru
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
48
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Posted - 2012.05.02 20:01:00 -
[159] - Quote
I was in defending Jita over the Fri and Sat (ok ok, I was whoring killmails...) I would say the module lag was quite frustrating at times. The time between someone being flagged as GCC, locking them and my guns activating was sometimes longer that it took the sentries/concord to finish a BC off.
Does TiDi apply to Concord as well as players?
I will say however that I was the most fun I've ever had in Jita. Bravo Goons and CCP |
Dersen Lowery
Children of Armok Ushra'Khan
19
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:00:00 -
[160] - Quote
MailDeadDrop wrote:Are you suggesting that the Caldari Militia members would have bounties paid to them for shooting Goons (or whomever)?
That would be . . . interesting.
MDD
I'm not going to get into specifics like that, because I'd wind up over my head pretty quickly. But yes, there would have to be some kind of carrot, and that's an obvious one. You could have the bounties paid out of the additional taxes levied, so that it's neither sink nor faucet (and, so that industrialists can aid the war effort by keeping the economy vibrant, and funding the war through taxes paid).
Say, non-FW corps could receive a charter to join the Militia for some period of time, almost (or exactly?) the way mercenary contracting will work under the new wardec system. In return for carrots, the corp would head off to battle on behalf of the host Empire.
Done right, it could be pretty cool. It would not only bring the hi-sec empires to life, it would be a huge boost to FW, and it would recognize, in a fundamental way, that the nullsec powers are empires in their own right.
I think it's an idea worth kicking around. |
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Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:05:00 -
[161] - Quote
BeanBagKing wrote:Shinzhi Xadi wrote:why do you even have concord and high sec?? IRC even went down to have a little (unplanned) intervention, it was fun seeing ourselves on player run live streams.
For which IRC will pay dearly... rusty coat hanger abortions.... |
Iemanja Deusa
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 21:58:00 -
[162] - Quote
I took advantage of the opportunity to fire on some blinky reds. As much as I hate to admit it, I have to hand it to the goons to provide one of the most amusing weekends and padding my killboard numbers. Sure beats opening cynos.
Re blackscreens on undock - oddly enough 4-4 didn't for me, the 4-6 ytiri station did twice, 4-6 Hyasoda did not either. |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
495
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:08:00 -
[163] - Quote
malaire wrote:What about a case where person coming back to system still has some GCC time left, but less than what is cached in other clients? That case was already properly handled by sending out an updated time to everyone. It was only the case where the time had been burned off completely that wasn't being handled properly. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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CorryBasler
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:53:00 -
[164] - Quote
silly goons, be losing like 2x the ships than they killed. |
Razgriz Shaishi
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.02 22:59:00 -
[165] - Quote
CorryBasler wrote:silly goons, be losing like 2x the ships than they killed. Since when have the goons ever cared about losses sustained while suicide ganking? Thats why they call it SUICIDE ganking. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:23:00 -
[166] - Quote
CCP Diagoras wrote:
Characters who scored the most final blows:
Why does this stat matter? It's kind of a roll of the dice as to who gets " lucky " enough to score the final blow. Wouldn't just showing up on the most kill mails or being top damage dealer be a better measure of involvement? |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:29:00 -
[167] - Quote
Two step wrote: it is great to see CCP's pride in the terrible things their players do to each other... :) Seriously? and you are a CSM player's representative? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3025
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Posted - 2012.05.02 23:37:00 -
[168] - Quote
CorryBasler wrote:silly goons, be losing like 2x the ships than they killed. if we only lost 2x we had absurd efficency wrt suicide ganking |
Adellle Nadair
FireStar Mercenaries
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:16:00 -
[169] - Quote
This comment by CCP Veritas made my decision final:
Quote:Here's how we handled the server load of a few hundred [strike]murderous savages[/strike] valued customers making ships explode in the most populated system in EVE Online.
CCP Veritas, you are now my favorite dev... sorry CCP Soundwave. |
James Wagner
Valar Morghulis. Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:19:00 -
[170] - Quote
Hahaha. Looks like someone thought they signed up for farmville. Probably should unsubscribe if avoiding Jita for a couple days makes you cry. |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
283
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:24:00 -
[171] - Quote
It's great to see CCP openly embracing the Sandbox concept again.
As to the comments that the Caldari Empire for lore reasons should go to war with Goons and co, that doesn't really make sense. Since, the goons didn't attack the Caldari, they attacked independent pod pilots. |
Yulinki Atavuli
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
6
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:25:00 -
[172] - Quote
700 of those kills were us!
https://killboard.goonfleet.com/alliance/Noir.%20Mercenary%20Group/1-2 <--- just goons.
90/1 ratio for me \o/
http://noirmercs.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=25386 <---- 2 bil Loki
http://noirmercs.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=25457 <--- 7 bil Viator
lots of Nados
We had alot of fun decing them. maybe we will do it again! Would of got more kills if they wouldn't stop docking when we came into system.
and under popular belief we never 'whored' on pods. the only pods we got were dumb CFC guys who don't know how to warp out after we took out their ships. |
Josef Huffenpuff
H A V O C
9
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:55:00 -
[173] - Quote
ergherhdfgh wrote:Two step wrote: it is great to see CCP's pride in the terrible things their players do to each other... :) Seriously? and you are a CSM player's representative?
Yes ! Players do "terrible things" to each other. Welcome to the sandbox. This is what makes EvE great.
@CCP - Well done. Your renewed focus on Spaceships and the fantastic work done by Veritas & co means we have a great game that delivers what it promises. |
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
70
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:26:00 -
[174] - Quote
"Jita, Amarr, Rens and more..."
hmph. No love for Dodixie, Oursulaert or Stacmon - they are relegated to "more"..
Gallente get no respect no mo |
Galphii
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
42
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:31:00 -
[175] - Quote
Interesting to see how popular arty is compared to the other weapon systems. Fix 'em dammit |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
175
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:34:00 -
[176] - Quote
I think the most interesting thing would be to know whether goons & co destroyed more ISK than they lost. |
TheSmokingHertog
Black Hole INC
29
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:56:00 -
[177] - Quote
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care.
As pure high sec dweller; shut up, buy a ship and start shooting back... but please, dont complain. |
Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:06:00 -
[178] - Quote
Xorv wrote:It's great to see CCP openly embracing the Sandbox concept again.
As to the comments that the Caldari Empire for lore reasons should go to war with Goons and co, that doesn't really make sense. Since, the goons didn't attack the Caldari, they attacked independent pod pilots.
It was in response to the question of why the station itself couldn't be blown up. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
875
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:48:00 -
[179] - Quote
Cool stats.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Amitious Turkey
The Scope Gallente Federation
11
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Galphii wrote:Interesting to see how popular arty is compared to the other weapon systems. Fix 'em dammit
ALPHA! I like to lick things.
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pashared
Harbingers of Khaos Cant Be Arzed
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:54:00 -
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I was able to get in and out of jita pretty easy. I grabbed a few wrecks then got to OOO and AHHH
TBH: I thought it was gonna be worse, but impressive none the less. after looking at the stats thou I wonder what was kills isk totals vs isk lost.
great job ccp for making this run smooth and awesome DEVBLOG
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3031
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:02:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:I think the most interesting thing would be to know whether goons & co destroyed more ISK than they lost. 500b destroyed to 150b lost (approx) |
Erica Virpio
Praetorian Angels IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:14:00 -
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[b][b] I loved what the goons did in Jita, i'm personally starting to get the hang of pvp in eve more and more, i still suck at it, but hey its a learning experience. If you wanna whine about losing your ships and c!!p please shut up about it, i used to do that but now i love to grief the people that get me, its part of the game. And if its that big of a deal pay a protection fee to get a nice blue mark by yourself, or perhaps contract some mercs for protection. Or here is another thought train your combat skill or a combat alt, i lost 2 ships in jita on my alts but hey its happens i replaced them np, and i say again, great to the goons for a well executed attack on jita |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
32
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:39:00 -
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I dont like goons for me they are worse part of EvE community, but honestly i enyoi jita event, we need people like goons because eve is more interesing even they bunch of awful annoying trolls with thier fofo, vov etc. Also i wait for war dec cost changes, who know if a lot small corporation can aford war dec some big ally.
Ps.Good Dev blog, but a bit to exaggerated regarding to what happens druing jita event. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1203
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:22:00 -
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You can just feel the pride coming out in the dev blog, and CCP should damn well be proud of this event. I experienced the blackscreening on Friday night, but after the hotfix, I never had that problem again.
Well done to all the staff at CCP that put in the time and effort on a weekend for this! |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
175
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:07:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Dream Five wrote:I think the most interesting thing would be to know whether goons & co destroyed more ISK than they lost. 500b destroyed to 150b lost (approx)
That's pretty good actually. I was wondering if you guys even broke 'even' with all the NOIR. and others interference.
I was also thinking a Tornado gank setup could be probably countered with thrashers/catalysts preemptively ganking the ganking Tordanos :) |
Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
37
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Posted - 2012.05.03 07:13:00 -
[187] - Quote
Thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into the game CCP! I've never played any game for more than a few months and I've been logging in almost daily for well over two years now, and the game just keeps getting better and better (especially since Crucible).
To the Goons: Thanks for burning Jita! I'm not into the ganking scene (I get my null sec fix in W space) but it's player run events like that one that really makes Eve online unique in the MMO scene!
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
429
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:47:00 -
[188] - Quote
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:"Jita, Amarr, Rens and more..." hmph. No love for Dodixie, Oursulaert or Stacmon - they are relegated to "more".. Gallente get no respect no mo Fair comment; most days then the order of top solarsystems by total transaction value is Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
429
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:49:00 -
[189] - Quote
pashared wrote:I was able to get in and out of jita pretty easy. I grabbed a few wrecks then got to OOO and AHHH
TBH: I thought it was gonna be worse, but impressive none the less. after looking at the stats thou I wonder what was kills isk totals vs isk lost.
great job ccp for making this run smooth and awesome DEVBLOG Thank you; glad you enjoyed it. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
429
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:54:00 -
[190] - Quote
Feligast wrote:You can just feel the pride coming out in the dev blog, and CCP should damn well be proud of this event. I experienced the blackscreening on Friday night, but after the hotfix, I never had that problem again.
Well done to all the staff at CCP that put in the time and effort on a weekend for this! Yeah, we were very happy how well Jita coped with this event and it was nice to see how all the improvements we have made in the last two years (and last few months client-side) all came together. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
429
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:59:00 -
[191] - Quote
Dorn Val wrote:Thanks for all the hard work you've been putting into the game CCP! I've never played any game for more than a few months and I've been logging in almost daily for well over two years now, and the game just keeps getting better and better (especially since Crucible). Thank you. Nice to hear that you are enjoying the world we have built together! Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Bent Barrel
50
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:42:00 -
[192] - Quote
Great blog. Pity I could not take part to do some ninja looting.
I remember times when 300 people in Jita made the system stop so seeing a report of 2000+ folks in there and fighting is a serious accomplishment for CCP. CONGRATS !!! |
Jonah Gravenstein
276
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:40:00 -
[193] - Quote
Nice graphs, nice blog, nice job to everyone involved in making it happen, players and devs alike.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
57
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:48:00 -
[194] - Quote
Fantastic blog, fantastic work from CCP.
And the event, though certainly inconvenient, was spectacular and impressive as well. I'm quite curious now what will happen: Will repeated assaults against Jita lead us to a more decentralized economy, or will people just shrug off the occasional losses and carry on as they always have?
Just as an example, I would normally have shipped my PI products into Jita this weekend to sell. Being not stupid, I didn't. I considered bringing them to Amarr instead, but the prices were so much worse, I decided to wait and bring them to Jita anyway in a few days. So for me to even consider using another hub, the prices in the different hubs will have to become more competitive, or the risk of losing your ship in Jita on an average day will have to rise *a lot*. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
tasman devil
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:10:00 -
[195] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Jita burning probably didn't pass anyone's attention and I'm sure many of you are interested in knowing more about the technical side of how it all went down behind the scenes and under the hood. Here to tell you all about it in a whopper of a dev blog is CCP Explorer our Software Director, joined by CCP Atlas, CCP Veritas and CCP Manifest. Enjoy! Ok. And what about the broken crimewatch mechanics? I'd like to see a BIG blog about that too. What was broken and why?
For example: 1: why were people killed by concord while shooting at agressors? 2: Why were people left with 3h aggro timer (!?) see here: http://i.imgur.com/g53mW.jpg - 3 HOURS of aggro left!?! 3: Also: how many goons were banned while burning Jita? Don't tell me there were NONE!? // TINFOIL HAT! I don't belive in reincarnation I've never believed in it in my previous lives either... |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
441
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:49:00 -
[196] - Quote
tasman devil wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Jita burning probably didn't pass anyone's attention and I'm sure many of you are interested in knowing more about the technical side of how it all went down behind the scenes and under the hood. Here to tell you all about it in a whopper of a dev blog is CCP Explorer our Software Director, joined by CCP Atlas, CCP Veritas and CCP Manifest. Enjoy! Ok. And what about the broken crimewatch mechanics? I'd like to see a BIG blog about that too. What was broken and why? For example: 1: why were people killed by concord while shooting at agressors? 2: Why were people left with 3h aggro timer (!?) see here: http://i.imgur.com/g53mW.jpg - 3 HOURS of aggro left!?!3: Also: how many goons were banned while burning Jita? Don't tell me there were NONE!? // TINFOIL HAT! I believe we covered the first two questions in these replies I don't know who, if any, got banned. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Blade M Howser
0........0 -Silicon Heaven-
1
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:57:00 -
[197] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:Jita burning probably didn't pass anyone's attention and I'm sure many of you are interested in knowing more about the technical side of how it all went down behind the scenes and under the hood. Here to tell you all about it in a whopper of a dev blog is CCP Explorer our Software Director, joined by CCP Atlas, CCP Veritas and CCP Manifest. Enjoy!
Looks as if ccp helped their favorite alliance gain alot of killmails by suggesting they burn jita and causing a bug with criminal flagging on the day this started. i think all ccp employees and volunteers should have their main characters and alts banned from joining any player corps or alliances
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Ernest Borgnine
Mine. Now. Please Alliance. Now. Please.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:28:00 -
[198] - Quote
Congrats to Goonswarm of Brothers and Sir Mittaniolle for becoming what they once hated so much. Bad things in life are never destroyed, merely replaced. |
Lex Striker
Eldron Enterprises Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:50:00 -
[199] - Quote
Not sure if this belongs here, but here goes anyway...
I thought the tech part of this was great. I will give that to CCP [cheers]. However, one thing I question was the ability for Jita to truly defend itself. When the Goons started to attack, eventually everyone outside the Goons' Corp/Alliance should have been able to shoot them without CONCORD intervention... example...
1) A Character ganks and gets nailed by CONCORD. The Character comes back and does it again. After a certain number of times of doing this, 'anyone' outside the Character's Corp/Alliance should be able to shoot them on sight 'anywhere' for a reasonable amount of time. If they want to gank, then let them. Just know that people will be waiting to nail them when they come back. Right now, the gankers are given the immunity to strike when and where they want... and only the Characters they shoot at can respond. That, inm, gives the gankers a distinct advantage which I do not believe is fair.
2) If a certain amount of Characters within a Corp are flagged for ganking as above, then the Corp itself as a whole becomes flagged for anyone to shoot... again for a reasonable amount of time.
3) If a certain amount of Corps within an Alliance are flagged for ganking, then the entire Alliance itself gets flagged.
I read once that when someone gets the first shot off, they have the tendency to win in an equal 1v1 PvP encounter. That in itself gives the gankers a distinct advantage... because they get to pick and choose their targets and when to strike. If these gankers continue to gank, then fine... I have no issue with that. Where I have issue is I cannot shoot them unless they shoot me first. I cannot defend anyone against them and I cannot take preventive action against gankers when they show up. That is where I have issue. They want to gank... fine!!! This is Eve!!! I support that action. But give me a decent chance to fight back and leave their butts hanging for once. The playing field here needs to be leveled in some way.
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
866
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:17:00 -
[200] - Quote
Dream Five wrote:Weaselior wrote:Dream Five wrote:I think the most interesting thing would be to know whether goons & co destroyed more ISK than they lost. 500b destroyed to 150b lost (approx) That's pretty good actually. I was wondering if you guys even broke 'even' with all the NOIR. and others interference.
It was less like interference and more like killmail whoring on tornados while they are getting Concorded.
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Kiaa gihaa
Helion Mercs
1
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:07:00 -
[201] - Quote
Nice ops Goons and co. But even "nicer" engineering done by ccp dev/programmers/rest of team...... I feel like humping some legs |
Dibble Dabble
Capital Assets Inc
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:00:00 -
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CCP are fools. This event was well planned by both Goons and CCP to sell the game. War and chaos sells more than those who seek a more stimulating experience.
The narcissistic goon leader should never have been allowed back in the game after his inexcusable but well executed blunder and who thinks the incident was an accident? I wonder how many devs are in goons and voted for that fool like so many lemmings and bot / RMT funded votes?
The actions of Goons, their leader and CCP are reprehensible in the extreme. Goons are in effect cyber bullies.
The sad fact is I can no longer recommend the game to others. CCP are simply going to use Eve to sell Dust. The slashing of the workforce shows all is not well in CCP land and they have now put all their eggs in one basket. When was the last time Eve broke its player count record, 2 years? Will it ever be broken again? I think not.
CCP are now not only selling hate but exploiting and supporting it. But how many noobs are coming into the game these days? How many stay? Fewer and fewer each month I would guess.
All good things must come to an end. I can no longer support this game, there is too much hate in this world without logging into a virtual world based on hate and greed. I joined on Day 1, I went to the 1st Fan Feast and now I must log off. I no longer trust CCP to deliver a product that will offer a balanced game, but one that is dictated by those who bought an election.
I am sure the lemmings will come out and flame but I really no longer give a **** and as for the lemmings I really do hope they do what lemmings do well and jump of a very high cliff.
From a technical point of view I congratulate the devs for their efforts. I am sure when CCP come to sell the technology your masters will not have to mine trit for a very long time.
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Zulran Hans
Refuge of Hope Lemniskate
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:48:00 -
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WILL THEY RISE?
Congratulations CCP, you guys did a great job!
Even as a casual player, I found Burn Jita really fascinating. It reminds me reading about history where barbarian hordes came into cities to plunder, **** (thank God EVE doesnGÇÖt let players to do that ;)) and murder the defenseless inhabitants.
The material gain wasnGÇÖt necessarily the primary motive. Bullies rarely take kidGÇÖs lunches because theyGÇÖre too poor to buy food. It was more of a display of power; the hordes have the might to do whatever they want and no one can stop them.
Of course history shows that people rise up against oppressors again and again. IGÇÖm eager to see if thatGÇÖs going to happen in EVE. The next time Goons decides to this, will the hisec alliances stay scattered too even slow down the operation?
Or will the CEOs organize a coordinated effort, inspiring thousands of their pilots to rise up and make a stand?
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Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
302
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Posted - 2012.05.04 00:52:00 -
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There is a reason why EVE can not and will not grow, because CCP caters only to egomaniacs like the Mittani and effectivly endorses actions that drive players away. Usually the newest and most inexperienced players are made the victims and driven out of the game.
A few years back I would have happily recommended EVE to anyone but now I am not so sure. To be really honest I would not recommend EVE to anyone except extremely cold blooded accountants and maybe to people with narcisstic/ egomanic / or plain sociopathic tendencies.
....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
286
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:02:00 -
[205] - Quote
Dibble Dabble wrote:[...]War and chaos sells more than those who seek a more stimulating experience. [...] CCP are now not only selling hate but exploiting and supporting it. But how many noobs are coming into the game these days? How many stay? Fewer and fewer each month I would guess.
You accuse CCP of making choices on EVE based on your own statement that War and Chaos sells, but then you "guess" that fewer and fewer players are coming to the game because of that same War and Chaos. Your argument makes no sense and is contradictory. BTW what is a stimulating experience in a gem like EVE to you?
Dibble Dabble wrote:I am sure the lemmings will come out and flame but I really no longer give a **** [...]
If you really didn't give a ****, you would have never posted all that nonsense in the first place.
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
92
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:21:00 -
[206] - Quote
Blade M Howser wrote:Looks as if ccp helped their favorite alliance gain alot of killmails by suggesting they burn jita and causing a bug with criminal flagging on the day this started. You, sir, are criminally idiot.
I hope you lose interest in the game, uninstall the client and leave as soon as materially possible.
It's the other way round, if any! Looks as if CFC helped their favorite dev team gain a lot of live data and metrics by trying something that nobody ever tried in such a way and helping them finding and FIXING a bug with criminal flagging that would affect anyone in hisec and that was corrected on the next day it started.
Quote:i think all ccp employees and volunteers should have their main characters and alts banned from joining any player corps or alliances ...As if we need a dev team even MORE disconnected from the game they code...
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Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
60
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:59:00 -
[207] - Quote
Funny how the "CCP serves Goons" conspiracy theorists remain totally unimpressed by CCP banning Mittani and taking away his seat on the CSM.
But then again, that is the basic trait of conspiracy loons: Ignore all the contradicting evidence and only see what supports what you want to believe. Winner of elections banned, runner-up demoted by rest of the body, the council controlled by the losers. CSM 7 is illegitimate, CCP should remember when dealing with them. Remember what players voted for. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
75
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:24:00 -
[208] - Quote
Those metrics sure do point towards one racial weapon system (ship+gun) being slightly out of whack, eh?
Now that the emo's have gotten the rage-against-Jita over, how about declaring the lot of them as enemies of the State and denying them docking rights in all of Caldari and Amarr (allies with the corporates) space? .. Action - meet - consequence.
PS: Do the same for everyone who were shooting the monument last year just to be 'fair' |
Thelron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.05.04 18:36:00 -
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Lex Striker wrote:Not sure if this belongs here, but here goes anyway...
I thought the tech part of this was great. I will give that to CCP [cheers]. However, one thing I question was the ability for Jita to truly defend itself. When the Goons started to attack, eventually everyone outside the Goons' Corp/Alliance should have been able to shoot them without CONCORD intervention... example...
I've had similar thoughts regarding the whole "ganking issue" for a while now- a combination of generally confusing mechanics (*when* am I allowed to open fire on a "criminal"? And what do they REALLY look like, as opposed to some of the very dated "official" information? CAN I shoot the pod? There should probably be a section added to the NPE that covers this even if an all-out PVP tutorial isn't in the works, and it should be high on the list of things to check whenever any related mechanics are changed) and generally lenient consequences (lose throwaway ship and wait 15 mins before repeating, and if you're really industrious have another character dispense replacement ships for you) mean people who want to gank are generally guaranteed the opportunity, while people who are about to be ganked (or who see a gank is about to go down) have few realistic options to prevent it even after multiple offenses. Once you add in the prevalence of multiple accounts and the general farmability of security status when someone *does* find being -10 starts to cramp their style...
I wonder if the GCC timer should be changed a bit, so there are separate timers for when CONCORD will kill you and when players can legally shoot you. The CONCORD timer would remain basically the same, "lose sec status and for the next 15 minutes if you're in space in hi-sec your ship is forfiet." The player-aggression timer would have a longer duration (perhaps 30 mins at first), so even after CONCORD is done with you, you're still basically auto-suspect and your next intended victim (or their buddies) can go ahead and blast you. If they do, you won't get another security hit for shooting back (or at anyone who reps them), though anyone who reps *you* inherets your ability to be shot-on-sight much like they'd inheret your aggression timer. The lower your sec status and the more recently you've last been CONCORDed, the longer the timer you get (so serial criminals are vulnerable for increasing lengths of time), until you sink your sec status low enough you're KOS anyway. With the longer window for player-dispensed retribution it might even be workable to reduce the CONCORD timer a little.
The main point is to make it so that there are still divisions between how you can interact between the "areas" of space and keep the feeling that the empires and CONCORD don't want individuals shooting each other willy-nilly in hisec, but loosen the rules a bit so you don't have to wait to be shot by the guy that's been shooting people all day before you can do something about it. Overall, the gankers should still be able to gank (unless they let themselves get camped into a station or something) and the lone "generic victim" types aren't going to be any better off than they were before, but it opens options up for people to take meaningful steps to protect themselves from "known criminals" beyond staying docked up and without relying on some NPC "hand of god" mechanic.
To me, the lack of that ability was the big letdown with "Burn Jita." Some corps were able to get wars active, but that not only required prior knowledge about the event but required the event to be (largely) perpetrated by corporations, and the related fighting didn't require one neutral to actually be shot at. There was no real chance for a dynamic response to develop on the player side with vigilante fleets forming and blasting criminals (who weren't going to be auto-blasted anyway). Hulkageddon is similar, a hulk with 5 heavily-armed warships guarding it is in most cases every bit as dead as a hulk with 5 iterons sitting around unless one of the warships decides to take it for the team and the losses for those involved in the ganking are in both cases entirely predictable ("lose X ships where X is how many ships fire"). Both events are somewhat impressive. Both need to remain possible. Both, however, could be much more interesting if EVE-Justice were a bit longer of memory and favored more of a vigilante style lasting consequence (based largely on your current actions) rather than just popping your ship and making it annoying if you don't go farm some NPCs every so often (regardless of when you actually did "bad things). |
Lady Zarrina
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:48:00 -
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Congrats to CCP for building a game that allows game play such as this. Player driven. Congrats to the null-sec'rs. They backed their words with ships and ammo (I have called them whiners in the past, but no whining here, just explosions).
I must admit, mostly being a small time trader, I avoided Jita for a few days, but these kinds of occurances are great for eve and its players. Keeps things fun and interesting.
And awesome to see the game performance was acceptable to great. Allocate resources to FiS |
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Oliver Stoned
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:56:00 -
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Thelron wrote:Both events are somewhat impressive. Both need to remain possible. Both, however, could be much more interesting if EVE-Justice were a bit longer of memory and favored more of a vigilante style lasting consequence (based largely on your current actions) rather than just popping your ship and making it annoying if you don't go farm some NPCs every so often (regardless of when you actually did "bad things).
Solid points. Why even have a security status or even Concord?
There is law, but where is the order?
Time for a Concord court system. Let's start a thread for this.
Another CCP isk sink, court fines. If Concord responds, you are charged for them having to respond. Fuel and ammo do cost. Not just the pilot, the corporation is fined.
Something the industrialist will like, a Eve tax on the corporation the criminal is a member of which will make buying things more expensive.
Another idea that interests me.
How about a TSA system at gates and stations in empire. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P C C P Alliance
458
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:09:00 -
[212] - Quote
Lady Zarrina wrote:Congrats to CCP for building a game that allows game play such as this. Player driven. Congrats to the null-sec'rs. They backed their words with ships and ammo (I have called them whiners in the past, but no whining here, just explosions).
I must admit, mostly being a small time trader, I avoided Jita for a few days, but these kinds of occurances are great for eve and its players. Keeps things fun and interesting.
And awesome to see the game performance was acceptable to great. Nice summary. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
51
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Posted - 2012.05.06 01:11:00 -
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Good lord.. I think I could vomit. If I didn't know better, I'd say that Goons are entirely made up of CCP employees. The homo-erotic softness and pure puffery every CCP employee has posted on here towards Goons, as if they are the most decent, intelligent people in the world, doing good for the game of EvE, is just sad and pathetic.
Burn Jita was a complete failure. In fact, Tritanium, the most basic measure of the market, ended up selling at a lower price after the fail-event ended than before it 'began' (as if anything really began).
I would love however, to see the totals in a few other categories..
1. Goon/Test losses vs. non-Goon/Test losses. My money is on Goons losing much more, AT LEAST 4-1 if not greater, than the players they were attempting to 'burn'.
2. Total ISK losses for Goons by means of ships destroyed and mods destroyed/dropped, time wasted.
I'd love to see CCP and Goons each take their penises out of eachothers mouths, EvE would be much more enjoyable for players who are not blindly following a sociopathic "internet lawyer".
Here's a hint for CCP. WE, the players, pay your bills. We, the players don't like Goons by a count of 5 to 1. 49,000 players voted AGAINST the sociopath and his sick, demented followers. A meager 10,000 votes (more like 2,000 - 3,000 original votes if you add up all Goon alts to puff the vote) vs. a titanic 49,000 should let you, CCP figure that out. WE DON'T LIKE THEM OR THE **** THEY TRY, emphasis on TRY, to do. |
Phoenix155
Templariorum Fortes Sins of Jericho
0
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Sarah Schneider wrote:This is exactly what separates Eve from other MMOs. Thanks to the Devs for making this possible. edit : also i'd like to use this opportunity to point out one thing, we need the ability to show a wartarget-only overview, please :( Shinzhi Xadi wrote:You CCP jerks act like goons are heroes... cheering them, and quoting them in a dev blog?? I really have no respect for you anymore, but we all know, you don't give a damn about what a high sec player thinks of you.
If your so hell bent on EVE being a game of pirates and griefers, why do you even have concord and high sec??
Yeah, yeah, now the low/null dorks are all going to flame me, go ahead, I don't care. HelloKitty Online is that way -------->
Completely agreed in the fact that CCP allows the players to pretty much do whatever the heck they want, within reason.
By the way, amazingly hot character picture. :-P
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Xathytoz
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.08 02:07:00 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:Good lord.. I think I could vomit. If I didn't know better, I'd say that Goons are entirely made up of CCP employees. The homo-erotic softness and pure puffery every CCP employee has posted on here towards Goons, as if they are the most decent, intelligent people in the world, doing good for the game of EvE, is just sad and pathetic.
Burn Jita was a complete failure. In fact, Tritanium, the most basic measure of the market, ended up selling at a lower price after the fail-event ended than before it 'began' (as if anything really began).
I would love however, to see the totals in a few other categories..
1. Goon/Test losses vs. non-Goon/Test losses. My money is on Goons losing much more, AT LEAST 4-1 if not greater, than the players they were attempting to 'burn'.
2. Total ISK losses for Goons by means of ships destroyed and mods destroyed/dropped, time wasted.
I'd love to see CCP and Goons each take their penises out of eachothers mouths, EvE would be much more enjoyable for players who are not blindly following a sociopathic "internet lawyer".
Here's a hint for CCP. WE, the players, pay your bills. We, the players don't like Goons by a count of 5 to 1. 49,000 players voted AGAINST the sociopath and his sick, demented followers. A meager 10,000 votes (more like 2,000 - 3,000 original votes if you subtract all Goon alts to puff the vote) vs. a titanic 49,000 should let you, CCP figure that out. WE DON'T LIKE THEM OR THE **** THEY TRY, emphasis on TRY, to do.
Can you provide any evidence on how 49k players voted explicitly against Mittani, and not just for another CSM candidate? Because that is what your vote in the CSM since its installation has been: a vote for a particular candidate, not one against all others. Can you further provide any evidence that every member of Goonswarm gave his or her vote, including those of all available alt accounts, to The Mittani? Can you further prove that no Goon split his or her available votes or even voted for a different candidate than Mittani?
But I admit, you got us right there with the killratio argument. Given your apparent thorough investigation on the matter you must have found out that we really do care a very lot about kill:death ratios and ISK efficiencies. Breaks my heart...
One question though: If "Burn Jita" was, as you claimed, such a complete failure, then why do you feel so bothered?
Finally: Did it occur to you, especially in light of the apparent support of CCP to such player-driven events, that this is how the developers want their game/sandbox to work while you delusionally cling to a concept of Eve that has never been there in the first place? This is not World of WarCraft. |
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services The Possum Lodge
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:41:00 -
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Where's the graph showing the gargantuan number of newbships/dessies the goons were undocking in while still GCC'd just to inflate the stats? Along with all the pods that were being self destructed? |
Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic Holy Empire of The Unshaven
18
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:14:00 -
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Congratulations, CCP, on making a game so enthralling that the most stimulating thing that big null-sec alliances have to do with their time is come into high sec and shoot at defenseless targets.
No, I am not mad. I didn't loose anything; I don't even know anyone who did.
I am only putting this here in a last effort to get the Devs to wake up and realize that their game isn't nearly as awesome as they seem to think it is, before it fails.
CCP: You REALLY need to give the players more to do in the game! The fact that you think this kind of "player driven event" is a "good thing" is really quite pathetic.
When the major pew-pews have nothing better to do than come in and start attacking the back-bone of your "player-driven economy" just for kicks-and-grins.... yeah, that isn't a "good" thing.... That's a "bad" thing; and very much a sign of a game in decline.
Just my .2 isk put here since it seemed the self-important devs were paying so much attention to this thread.
Go ahead, flame away trolls, won't read it anyway.....
Peace.
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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:26:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Funny how the "CCP serves Goons" conspiracy theorists remain totally unimpressed by CCP banning Mittani and taking away his seat on the CSM.
But then again, that is the basic trait of conspiracy loons: Ignore all the contradicting evidence and only see what supports what you want to believe.
permanent ban? or slap on the wrist for a guy that doesn't have to manage his empire from ingame ?
oh wait, implying favoritism is against the EULA and thus bannable , permanently bannable.
thats why you get so many people angry about it. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:50:00 -
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So, next year, I expect to only get a 30 day ban for running a slide show at fan fest urging people to drive someone to suicide and then realizing I might be charged and arrested, make up a excuse about being drunk.
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1485
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:04:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Let's all be honest for a sec. The only way it could have been a bigger embarassment for all of us, not just CCP or Goonswarm, was if he'd have followed it up by bending a GM over the table and raped them while they begged him to forgive them for having such a loose ass.
CCP banned him, as they should. But they made it a 30 day ban and then threw him a welcome back party because he threatened to cry if they didn't.
So, CCP, let me ask, next year at fanfest, when I get up and present a slideshow urging people to drive someone to suicide, will I just get a 30 day ban?
I think not.
Since the TOS and EULA only apply to in game actions, any sort of ban was a stretch for CCP to impose, whatever tortured logic they used to make EvETV an "in game channel" or whatever. If they had tried for a permanent ban, there would have been an outcry from people who realize that EvE and Real Life are separate things. In addition, the permaban would have called attention to CCP's own culpability in allowing an event that has historically been drunken and borderline inappropriate (a fact that they took into account when they cleared all the slides) to be aired without oversight when it came to the unscripted Q&A session.
Was the Mittani acting like a prick? Of course. He said so himself. Did CCP screw up in allowing the Alliance panel to air in a way that may have hurt their reputation/marketing? Massively.
Has the Mittani owned his actions and apologized? Yup. Has CCP owned their screwup and indicated that they'll fix it? Nope.
Besides that, it was a bad joke, made by a drunken idiot. Know what drunk people do? They crack inappropriate jokes. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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Rick McMann
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 19:39:00 -
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Welcome to Eve Online! "Where you can do anything you want, and then GoonSwarm can blow it up" |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1490
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:09:00 -
[222] - Quote
Rick McMann wrote:Welcome to Eve Online! "Where you can do anything you want, and then GoonSwarm can blow it up"
You can blow Goonswarm up too.... Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Rick McMann
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:15:00 -
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Uhhh, yeah. Sure you can. Seeing how their home is deep null sec, good luck putting any dent in their economy. However, for those who live in High sec, it's more like being as exposed as a nerve.
Yup, that's not one sided at all. |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1492
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Posted - 2012.05.12 04:42:00 -
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Rick McMann wrote:Uhhh, yeah. Sure you can. Seeing how their home is deep null sec, good luck putting any dent in their economy. However, for those who live in High sec, it's more like being as exposed as a nerve.
Yup, that's not one sided at all.
Sounds like you're making a choice to live where you let yourself be exposed. They made a choice to put in the effort to gain and keep Sov, and in exchange they get to keep their core somewhat better insulated from casual attack.
Emphasis on the word Casual. Hisec is vulnerable to casual attack, but invulnerable to really intense siege(i.e. getting all your stuff locked away in someone else's station). Nullsec is less vulnerable to casual attack (see: AFK Cloaking), but vulnerable to intense siege (see: the siege of 6VDT, the burning of Branch, etc).
So you're right, it isn't one sided; each has advantages and disadvantages. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
25
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Posted - 2012.05.12 10:31:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:So, next year, I expect to only get a 30 day ban for running a slide show at fan fest urging people to drive someone to suicide and then realizing I might be charged and arrested, make up a excuse about being drunk. Next fanfest CCP are probably going to do a much more thorough job of vetting the alliance presentations in advance, so no.
Quote:Because how would we report it if they were? Let's say I had a GM on tape talking about how he helps, say, BoB? I'd prefer to take it to CCP rather than have to anonymously send it to a gaming news site to keep my account. I'm sure CCP would prefer that too. With GM assistance, we will rise again. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.05.12 10:36:00 -
[226] - Quote
Rick McMann wrote:Uhhh, yeah. Sure you can. Seeing how their home is deep null sec, good luck putting any dent in their economy. However, for those who live in High sec, it's more like being as exposed as a nerve.
Yup, that's not one sided at all. "Dear CCP,
I am too weak and lazy to compete with large powerful alliances and putting in any effort myself to alter this state of affairs is beyond me. Please fix this glaring imbalance.
ps: abloobloobloobloo." Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.14 08:14:00 -
[227] - Quote
This must be like the 9th time someone declared war on a high sec system just for the sake of farming newbs. Remember Yulai and Zombies players getting banned for disrespecting GM authority even though they weren't breaking any game mechanics or rules?
The scale of this is novel because it shows you how big of a subscriber base EVE has and how many people you actually need to disrupt a hub even slightly these days - but how the **** this made it to Kotaku front page news is beyond me. It's the laziest player driven 'event' you could think of and almost every other MMO has something similar. The most recent I can think of is Sith players farming Jedi in TOR.
This sells EVE short, because there are a lot of cooler things deserving of media attention. The average person I talk to might've heard of EVE but has no idea why anyone should or would play it over your average MMO. |
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Crunchy Crunchy Peregrine Nation
14
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Posted - 2012.05.16 12:16:00 -
[228] - Quote
I most definitely like the fact that EVE allows for this sort of thing to happen. I don't know of any other games in its genre where you can do anything near Burn Jita.
I don't agree with the Goons and hate them with a passion, but the simple fact that this was possible was quite amazing. Although I wish the developers hadn't taken such a Goon-glorifying stance. And yes, I know it's the game servers/mechanics that they're actually happy about, but the article read like it was pandering to the Goons. |
Hammer Crendraven
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.16 23:47:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:malaire wrote:What about a case where person coming back to system still has some GCC time left, but less than what is cached in other clients? That case was already properly handled by sending out an updated time to everyone. It was only the case where the time had been burned off completely that wasn't being handled properly.
It would seem then to make the GCC timer run on eve time universal to all of eve even those in a node under time dilation effect. Then the GCC timer would be the same no matter where they went to wait it out. More programming required but it would fix that issue totally. It would probably eat up more clock cycles and cause more lag on a packed node but with time dilation in effect so what? And your current fix to upload new timer info to all the clients involved is probably more lag inducing anyway as that info has to go around the (real world with extra packets) as opposed to an in house GCC timer fix. If you need to just slow down time more to compensate for lag. It seems like concord needs to be slowed down as well. I imagine you guys at CCP have a list of things to tweak after this event.
All in all I am impressed that you went to this extent to handle a lag issue. A novel approach that for the most part worked.
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Porthomnius
Angry Badgers
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 09:46:00 -
[230] - Quote
I would have to say this is pretty cool. Lag has been a huge issue with EVE the last few years and the fact that these guys just came in, did what they did and the server didn't totally crap out is pretty cool.
In-line with the other convo going on here, let goons be goons and carebears be carebears. I mean yeah, I'm currently a PvE guy with intentions to go low sec here soon, but when I get ganked I may be ticked but I can't let it get to me.
I would have to say though, this quote made my day. XD
"ThereGÇÖs just something special about building 15,000 spaceships and loading their guns with 1 round of ammo to shoot. And doing it right in front of the police." |
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WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
7
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Posted - 2012.05.31 19:13:00 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Two step wrote: it is great to see CCP's pride in the terrible things their players do to each other... :) Seriously? and you are a CSM player's representative? I think you underestimate just how many players enjoy this.
Also, Two Step represents wormhole dwellers. Doing terrible things to each other is our specialty. |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
7
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Posted - 2012.05.31 19:19:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:There is a reason why EVE can not and will not grow, because CCP caters only to egomaniacs like the Mittani and effectivly endorses actions that drive players away. Usually the newest and most inexperienced players are made the victims and driven out of the game.
A few years back I would have happily recommended EVE to anyone but now I am not so sure. To be really honest I would not recommend EVE to anyone except extremely cold blooded accountants and maybe to people with narcisstic/ egomanic / or plain sociopathic tendencies.
A brief look at the past few years will prove you wrong...EVE has been steadily growing. |
WInter Borne
Cold Station 12 Surely You're Joking
7
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Posted - 2012.05.31 19:24:00 -
[233] - Quote
Oliver Stoned wrote:... Another idea that interests me.
How about a TSA system at gates and stations in empire. TSA for jita? I dont know whether to laugh at the sheer stupidity or cry at the horrible, horrible nightmares this engenders. |
Gordane
1
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Posted - 2012.07.21 21:00:00 -
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omg i am so happy i am nr 8 on the burn jita event and it was a moment to be remembered for ever hahahah pro burn
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