Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 [14] 15 16 17 18 19 20 .. 27 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Almity
Imperial Outlaws
5
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 17:52:00 -
[391] - Quote
[/quote] You sure the name of your corp isn't Imperial Forum Outlaws?[/quote]
We could make alts and put them in that corp and post here. Because trolling is how you communicate your interests to CCP. |
Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
32
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 17:58:00 -
[392] - Quote
Lil Nippy wrote:Wow this is amazing...CCP finally, finallyyyy, FINALLY dedicates a patch to FW and there is NOTHING BUT BITCHING.
"I do not know the first thing about human beings."
Allow me to explain: we are not talking about the features we like because we like them. We do not hope to change anyone's mind about features that everyone desires. If one person says "hey, X is cool", and then nobody says "no it's not!", then none of the people who agree that X is cool feel a need to speak up. However, if one person says "hey, X is bad", and then X is already on SiSi, then everyone who agrees that X is bad has an interest in talking about it right away.
And in general, when you agree with someone, it's sufficient to nod, or 'like', or join the applause. When you disagree with someone, a shake of the head, or a 'dislike', or a 'boo', or a terse "u r a tard", is usually not sufficient to communicate your disagreement. You need words and sentences, and they will need the same when they disagree with what you've said, and threads will grow.
You want something other than bitching? Here: I really look forward to getting LP for plexing, because that is what I'm doing most of the time.
Quote:Who cares about station lock outs?! It makes perfect sense
I've said, if it helps you, don't tihnk about it as "station lock-out", think about it as "everybody mostly ignores the stations for no apparent reason". You can easily RP either behavior of the stations, but in your 'perfect sense' scenario, the capsuleers are behaving oddly. Actually, even the stations are behaving oddly: why should they allow me to contract my stuff to a third party? Why hasn't my stuff been seized and turned over to the Republic? And meanwhile they'll shoot my GCC'd alt but still let him dock, repair what their guns did to his ship, fill his cargohold with Republic tags, and then shoot at him again as he flies away?
No, 'perfect sense' here only means 'like nullsec'. Wait, actually it's: 'like sov nullsec'. Well, get rid of 95% of the stations, remove gate guns, remove sec status hits, let me use bombs and bubbles, and then we'll talk.
Quote: and will create real tangible battle lines that currently FW needs.
They already exist. Are Amarr taking systems in the Essin constellation? Are Minmatar taking a lot of systems in Vaaram? No, both of us are in back-and-forth in Jayai and Semou, with some action in Hed.
Quote:So what if you can't camp Auga 3rd 24/7 completely ruining the warzone for everybody else?
Hey, have you heard of instas? Do you realize that the session-change timer is now like two picoseconds long, so you can undock, stop your ship, look around, and then dock with almost complete invulnerability? You know that we don't have bubbles?
And are you playing the same game I am? Because I never see anything but brief, opportunistic station camping.
I see a ton of gate camping, though, which is a mechanic without instas or (equivalent) 'redocking', and I'll still see a ton of it after Inferno.
Quote:By locking out stations all that will happen is 1) more fights on gates, 2) more fights in plexes and 3) a advantage for the faction being camped in a station because they do not have to worry about the enemy docking in their station and undocking one of the capitals they have stored there once the fight starts.
For reasons already given, these are completely insubstantial advantages. Can you think of any more substantial advantages?
Not-quoting due to a forum limitation: "Get over yourselves."
"Waaaah, stop talking about subjects that don't interest me. You should talk about other things."
NO. U. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
174
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:29:00 -
[393] - Quote
I do find it funny all the smack that comes from the Minmatar & Gallentte right now when it wasn't so long ago they were on the receiving side of getting face pounded.
When I first started FW I was on Minmatar side and to be honest Amarr used to curb stomp us pretty much when every they wanted to. Minmatar used to trow total crap gangs at Amarr's Guardian supported Abaddon & Geddon gangs to the point there wasn't anything Minmatar guys could do aside from lose a lot of ships or stay docked.
Minmatar's "late night crew" was only a successful late night crew because that's the only time zone Amarr couldn't dominate them.
At the same time Caldari was curb stomping Gallentte and was getting medals for owning every system while Gals were crying about NPC's and that plexing didn't matter. Meanwhile their high sec systems were camped and they couldn't do much about it. Caldari blobs ruled their space and even started coming down to Minmatar space because they couldn't get fights out of Galentte.
Now a year or so later roles are reversed for the time being and Gals/Mins seem to have forgotten how they used to get curb stomped daily while trying to be smug as if it never happened.
It would be very funny to have seen these changes go into effect back then as all these posts would be reversed with Gals & Minmatar crying for resets or that their side wouldn't be able to compete because they are out blobbed and Caldari & Amarr guys telling them to man up.
Sadly I think the Cal vs Gal fight in-regard to plexing was going just fine as even vs Gals better numbers in the important prime times, Caldari has been stepping it up but still needs some work. This would have sorted it's self out with a bit more time but sadly I think these new changes are going to set the fight back because it's gonna make FW a lot less desirable.
The gang PVP is already pretty meh as it's usually just one gang ganking a few random guys from one side or the other but I think it's soon to turn to crappy null sec Sov fighting where each side tries to blob out a system to allow the capture to be as quick as possible.
Anyway all you guys that have complained & whined for years about plexing should matter.. Welp here yea go you got what you asked for likely at the cost of FW being a good place to get some not so serious space ships.
|
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
25
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:35:00 -
[394] - Quote
- The new FW window is on SiSi and is blank.
- You can still afk some offensive plexes after killing the first spawn.
- Most datacores cost more than their current market price before you spend LP.
- The upgrades don't do much for pure PvP pilots. Not sure what the "buffer" upgrade does.
- 10000 LP for an offensive minor plex.
- FW Missions haven't been changed.
- Lockouts in effect.
I can envision a "we can't wait to make even more changes to this feature" promise statement in the near future.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
14
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:44:00 -
[395] - Quote
All these rabid posting by Hidden Snake and Dirk makes me laugh. It's rather hilarious that they were not really so worried before, but for the first time ever SLAPD sat down and decided to plex a system to ensure IBS's removal. Within a day we have flipped Rakapas, and we have now found many brave allies fighting to keep IBS from living in Rakapas. Suddenly IBS appears and cries about it over and over. Now there was no "we were sleeping" there were many fights in system as squids tried to thwart our glorious jihad.
SImply put, you're outgunned Snake, I'd suggest you join REVOLUTION or Sacred Fire Alliance. Then you can run to the corners or the map or simply do what you do best with them. Blob and run. Not that they even have anything to show for it, and soon you won't either. |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
14
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:49:00 -
[396] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:I do find it funny all the smack that comes from the Minmatar & Gallentte right now when it wasn't so long ago they were on the receiving side of getting face pounded.
When I first started FW I was on Minmatar side and to be honest Amarr used to curb stomp us pretty much when every they wanted to. Minmatar used to trow total crap gangs at Amarr's Guardian supported Abaddon & Geddon gangs to the point there wasn't anything Minmatar guys could do aside from lose a lot of ships or stay docked.
Minmatar's "late night crew" was only a successful late night crew because that's the only time zone Amarr couldn't dominate them.
At the same time Caldari was curb stomping Gallentte and was getting medals for owning every system while Gals were crying about NPC's and that plexing didn't matter. Meanwhile their high sec systems were camped and they couldn't do much about it. Caldari blobs ruled their space and even started coming down to Minmatar space because they couldn't get fights out of Galentte.
Now a year or so later roles are reversed for the time being and Gals/Mins seem to have forgotten how they used to get curb stomped daily while trying to be smug as if it never happened.
It would be very funny to have seen these changes go into effect back then as all these posts would be reversed with Gals & Minmatar crying for resets or that their side wouldn't be able to compete because they are out blobbed and Caldari & Amarr guys telling them to man up.
Sadly I think the Cal vs Gal fight in-regard to plexing was going just fine as even vs Gals better numbers in the important prime times, Caldari has been stepping it up but still needs some work. This would have sorted it's self out with a bit more time but sadly I think these new changes are going to set the fight back because it's gonna make FW a lot less desirable.
The gang PVP is already pretty meh as it's usually just one gang ganking a few random guys from one side or the other but I think it's soon to turn to crappy null sec Sov fighting where each side tries to blob out a system to allow the capture to be as quick as possible.
Anyway all you guys that have complained & whined for years about plexing should matter.. Welp here yea go you got what you asked for likely at the cost of FW being a good place to get some not so serious space ships.
The medals for every system was YEARS ago, also curbstomping in plexing is not curbstomping in PVP. Your post is just filled with angry drivel and you are mad that you don't have the skills, isk and willpower to contend with Gal Mil. Guess you're done? I for one won't miss any of the fights FW gives me, SLAPD is a pirate corp, we'll get our kills and fights no matter what.
|
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
74
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:52:00 -
[397] - Quote
Dirk Smacker wrote:Hrett wrote: I do think they should give LP for defensive plexing once a system goes contested. Otherwise people will only fight for station systems...
You just can't give LP to an afk condor. You just can't.
You can speed tank afk offensive plex too. Hence my suggestion of only giving it to both sides when contested.
|
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
119
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 18:56:00 -
[398] - Quote
marketjacker wrote:All these rabid posting by Hidden Snake and Dirk makes me laugh. It's rather hilarious that they were not really so worried before, but for the first time ever SLAPD sat down and decided to plex a system to ensure IBS's removal. Within a day we have flipped Rakapas, and we have now found many brave allies fighting to keep IBS from living in Rakapas. Suddenly IBS appears and cries about it over and over. Now there was no "we were sleeping" there were many fights in system as squids tried to thwart our glorious jihad.
SImply put, you're outgunned Snake, I'd suggest you join REVOLUTION or Sacred Fire Alliance. Then you can run to the corners or the map or simply do what you do best with them. Blob and run. Not that they even have anything to show for it, and soon you won't either.
Will be funny if we take it back day before the patch... We will see what will happen ... I am just on vacation ....
....and so far i am more concerned about direction of lowsec....
.....ad to plexing ... Well we fliped it once if u remember ... I think it was the day u slefdestructed ur second or third tengu? IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
14
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:01:00 -
[399] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:marketjacker wrote:All these rabid posting by Hidden Snake and Dirk makes me laugh. It's rather hilarious that they were not really so worried before, but for the first time ever SLAPD sat down and decided to plex a system to ensure IBS's removal. Within a day we have flipped Rakapas, and we have now found many brave allies fighting to keep IBS from living in Rakapas. Suddenly IBS appears and cries about it over and over. Now there was no "we were sleeping" there were many fights in system as squids tried to thwart our glorious jihad.
SImply put, you're outgunned Snake, I'd suggest you join REVOLUTION or Sacred Fire Alliance. Then you can run to the corners or the map or simply do what you do best with them. Blob and run. Not that they even have anything to show for it, and soon you won't either. Will be funny if we take it back day before the patch... We will see what will happen ... I am just on vacation .... ....and so far i am more concerned about direction of lowsec.... .....ad to plexing ... Well we fliped it once if u remember ... I think it was the day u slefdestructed ur second or third tengu? Crap ... Failed to troll again
Please link the proof I've ever lost a Tengu to IBS. Oh wait.........
Again, you will lose your base, you already have. SLAPD owns you. Pay us 5 bil and you can stay.
|
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
25
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:07:00 -
[400] - Quote
Hrett wrote: You can speed tank afk offensive plex too. Hence my suggestion of only giving it to both sides when contested.
Or they could make you clear the npc's in order to cap.
But I haven't heard anything about touching the plexes themselves.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
|
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
25
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:09:00 -
[401] - Quote
marketjacker wrote:All these rabid posting by Hidden Snake and Dirk makes me laugh. If you weren't trolling weakly I'd ask for proof of my rabidness. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
14
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:39:00 -
[402] - Quote
Dirk Smacker wrote:marketjacker wrote:All these rabid posting by Hidden Snake and Dirk makes me laugh. If you weren't trolling weakly I'd ask for proof of my rabidness.
5 billion and you can stay. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2317
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:44:00 -
[403] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:I do find it funny all the smack that comes from the Minmatar & Gallentte right now when it wasn't so long ago they were on the receiving side of getting face pounded.
When I first started FW I was on Minmatar side and to be honest Amarr used to curb stomp us pretty much when ever they wanted to. Minmatar used to throw total crap gangs at Amarr's Guardian supported Abaddon & Geddon gangs to the point there wasn't anything Minmatar guys could do aside from lose a lot of ships or stay docked.
Minmatar's "late night crew" was only a successful late night crew because that's the only time zone Amarr couldn't dominate them.
At the same time Caldari was curb stomping Gallentte and was getting medals for owning every system while Gals were crying about NPC's and that plexing didn't matter. Meanwhile their high sec systems were camped and they couldn't do much about it. Caldari blobs ruled their space and even started coming down to Minmatar space because they couldn't get fights out of Galentte.
Now a year or so later roles are reversed for the time being and Gals/Mins seem to have forgotten how they used to get curb stomped daily while trying to be smug as if it never happened.
It would be very funny to have seen these changes go into effect back then as all these posts would be reversed with Gals & Minmatar crying for resets or that their side wouldn't be able to compete because they are out blobbed and Caldari & Amarr guys telling them to man up.
Absolutely true. We used to be a bunch of bickering tribes more obsessed with a killboard race against each other for 3p33n reasons than actually cooperating to win the war. The Amarr on the other hand had superior organization and a centralized sense of discipline. And you're right, we cut our teeth by throwing crap against well armored BS fleets with proper logi, hoping to take down an expensive ship or two before we lost our cheap stuff. Why did we do this? Because it was fun, and we had a laugh.
We griped and griped and griped about the Amarr "blobbing" us to death, and whined about how they would always outship us and outnumber us. It won't be the last time either, eventually they will bounce back and we'll be back to whining again. Welcome to Faction Warfare, where its always the enemy's fault for not "playing fair".
Times change. Winners and losers change. The stakes themselves are about to change. But War? War never changes. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
|
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
25
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:46:00 -
[404] - Quote
marketjacker wrote:
5 billion and you can stay.
mental maverick said he'd pay for us
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Maz3r Rakum
The Imperial Fedaykin
19
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:48:00 -
[405] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Mutnin wrote:I do find it funny all the smack that comes from the Minmatar & Gallentte right now when it wasn't so long ago they were on the receiving side of getting face pounded.
When I first started FW I was on Minmatar side and to be honest Amarr used to curb stomp us pretty much when ever they wanted to. Minmatar used to throw total crap gangs at Amarr's Guardian supported Abaddon & Geddon gangs to the point there wasn't anything Minmatar guys could do aside from lose a lot of ships or stay docked.
Minmatar's "late night crew" was only a successful late night crew because that's the only time zone Amarr couldn't dominate them.
At the same time Caldari was curb stomping Gallentte and was getting medals for owning every system while Gals were crying about NPC's and that plexing didn't matter. Meanwhile their high sec systems were camped and they couldn't do much about it. Caldari blobs ruled their space and even started coming down to Minmatar space because they couldn't get fights out of Galentte.
Now a year or so later roles are reversed for the time being and Gals/Mins seem to have forgotten how they used to get curb stomped daily while trying to be smug as if it never happened.
It would be very funny to have seen these changes go into effect back then as all these posts would be reversed with Gals & Minmatar crying for resets or that their side wouldn't be able to compete because they are out blobbed and Caldari & Amarr guys telling them to man up.
Absolutely true. We used to be a bunch of bickering tribes more obsessed with a killboard race against each other for 3p33n reasons than actually cooperating to win the war. The Amarr on the other hand had superior organization and a centralized sense of discipline. And you're right, we cut our teeth by throwing crap against well armored BS fleets with proper logi, hoping to take down an expensive ship or two before we lost our cheap stuff. Why did we do this? Because it was fun, and we had a laugh. We griped and griped and griped about the Amarr "blobbing" us to death, and whined about how they would always outship us and outnumber us. It won't be the last time either, eventually they will bounce back and we'll be back to whining again. Welcome to Faction Warfare, where its always the enemy's fault for not "playing fair". Times change. Winners and losers change. The stakes themselves are about to change. But War? War never changes.
Until CCP implements the proposed changes, and your previous foes either drop milita and/or leave the area.
I'm glad CCP finally got around to killing FW. |
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:49:00 -
[406] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: We griped and griped and griped about the Amarr "blobbing" us to death, and whined about how they would always outship us and outnumber us. It won't be the last time either, eventually they will bounce back and we'll be back to whining again. Welcome to Faction Warfare, where its always the enemy's fault for not "playing fair".
Times change. Winners and losers change. The stakes themselves are about to change. But War? War never changes.
Have they figured out LP compensation for kills yet?
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
69
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:49:00 -
[407] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Hrett wrote: I dont agree with all of this (no defensive plexing? Why?)
Thus, when attackers invade your space they are actually stealing your hard-earned LP, and causing your system upgrades to be slowly stripped away unless you do something about it. ... So the reward for defensive plexing is supposed to be that you continue to enjoy your system upgrades. Oh yeah, and still be able to dock. That should be a pretty big motivator to chase off the enemy without needing to paid on top of that.
Before this, I was against the station stuff, but otherwise thought this would be a net positive. Taking what we now know, I think CCP will accomplish what I previously thought impossible: Making factional warfare worse than it is now.
First, here is what we know based on the test server thread and Hans's gracious information in this thread - Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB - System ownership gives you the ability to dock in that station, and to put LP into iHUB to get small benefits to station services
So, there will be practically no-one putting LP into the IHUB when it can be siphoned off while the person is sleeping, especially when the rewards for putting LP into the IHUB are so minimal.
Therefore, plexing will have no rewards.
The only incentive then to plex will be the stick of not being able to dock in the station. All this does is add to the only motivation that exists now to plex, Schadenfreude, and that has generally not been a great motivator up to now.
The only reason left to stay in FW instead of going pirate will be access to FW missions. And I predict that a lot of people will train alts to pick up missions and then run them with their faction aligned pirate main. That is assuming that level V's aren't more profitable after the FW LP store changes (which we don't really know much about yet). Especially since other pirate gangs in the region will have a significant advantage in the FW warzone being able to dock up/repair etc.
In conclusion, CCP managed to make FW worse. I did not think it possible. |
Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
12
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:52:00 -
[408] - Quote
Dirk Smacker wrote: Or they could make you clear the npc's in order to cap.
Why haven't they implemented this?
It seems like an easy fix. There's plenty of missions where the spawn has to be cleared before either a gate is opened or a can is dropped.
|
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:52:00 -
[409] - Quote
chatgris wrote: - Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB
Wait, is that how it works?
I didn't get LP in Nenn on SiSi the night of the changes. I assumed they fixed it when I got 10k today.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Maz3r Rakum
The Imperial Fedaykin
19
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:54:00 -
[410] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Hrett wrote: I dont agree with all of this (no defensive plexing? Why?)
Thus, when attackers invade your space they are actually stealing your hard-earned LP, and causing your system upgrades to be slowly stripped away unless you do something about it. ... So the reward for defensive plexing is supposed to be that you continue to enjoy your system upgrades. Oh yeah, and still be able to dock. That should be a pretty big motivator to chase off the enemy without needing to paid on top of that. Before this, I was against the station stuff, but otherwise thought this would be a net positive. Taking what we now know, I think CCP will accomplish what I previously thought impossible: Making factional warfare worse than it is now. First, here is what we know based on the test server thread and Hans's gracious information in this thread - Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB - System ownership gives you the ability to dock in that station, and to put LP into iHUB to get small benefits to station services So, there will be practically no-one putting LP into the IHUB when it can be siphoned off while the person is sleeping, especially when the rewards for putting LP into the IHUB are so minimal. Therefore, plexing will have no rewards. The only incentive then to plex will be the stick of not being able to dock in the station. All this does is add to the only motivation that exists now to plex, Schadenfreude, and that has generally not been a great motivator up to now. The only reason left to stay in FW instead of going pirate will be access to FW missions. And I predict that a lot of people will train alts to pick up missions and then run them with their faction aligned pirate main. Especially since other pirate gangs in the region will have a significant advantage in the FW warzone being able to dock up/repair etc. In conclusion, CCP managed to make FW worse. I did not think it possible.
This. "Winferno"? More like yet another failed expansion, when they kill off FW. I guess we should find an object to shoot in protest?
|
|
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
69
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:55:00 -
[411] - Quote
Dirk Smacker wrote:chatgris wrote: - Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB
Wait, is that how it works? I didn't get LP in Nenn on SiSi the night of the changes. I assumed they fixed it when I got 10k today.
Look at my original post, I quoted that directly from Hans. Since he's on the CSM and we have no dev blog otherwise, I think that he's most likely correct.
|
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
27
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 19:58:00 -
[412] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote:chatgris wrote: - Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB
Wait, is that how it works? I didn't get LP in Nenn on SiSi the night of the changes. I assumed they fixed it when I got 10k today. Look at my original post, I quoted that directly from Hans. Since he's on the CSM and we have no dev blog otherwise, he's my primary source of information. No, I was just trying to convey shock and alarm. It makes perfect sense as to why I wasn't getting LP before. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
71
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:01:00 -
[413] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:I do find it funny all the smack that comes from the Minmatar & Gallentte right now when it wasn't so long ago they were on the receiving side of getting face pounded.
While you are taking note of those who are smacking you now, don't forget to take note of those that are NOT smack talking you. I for one dislike the smack coming from my side just as much as the smack that comes from your side.
|
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
74
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:08:00 -
[414] - Quote
Kade Jeekin wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote: Or they could make you clear the npc's in order to cap.
Why haven't they implemented this? It seems like an easy fix. There's plenty of missions where the spawn has to be cleared before either a gate is opened or a can is dropped.
Yep. I'd be perfectly happy with this. Do eeet CCP. |
Kuehnelt
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
34
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:35:00 -
[415] - Quote
chatgris wrote:First, here is what we know based on the test server thread and Hans's gracious information in this thread - Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB - System ownership gives you the ability to dock in that station, and to put LP into iHUB to get small benefits to station services
So, there will be practically no-one putting LP into the IHUB when it can be siphoned off while the person is sleeping, especially when the rewards for putting LP into the IHUB are so minimal.
Therefore, plexing will have no rewards.
The only incentive then to plex will be the stick of not being able to dock in the station. All this does is add to the only motivation that exists now to plex, Schadenfreude, and that has generally not been a great motivator up to now.
What follows is almost pure speculation.
Systems with less LP investment are easier to take for this reason. So LP itself is a way to prevent a system from being taken while you sleep. It's siphoned off, yeah, but at a limited rate whereas you can invest any amount of LP into it whenever you want. DT's significant again though: you'll lose a ton of LP if you can't close the non-respawning plexes. So the new system will mark on the map exactly where everybody's (in-FW) home bases are and which systems are especially contentious: those systems will be hardened, and everything else will be dead, never upgraded.
So I've these questions:
1. Why should anyone ever upgrade a system they don't live in?
2. Why should anyone even want to live in a FW system when they must keep paying LP to make it 'safe'? Medical clones aren't expensive to begin with, and you rarely need to upgrade them.
3. Are there LP rewards for plexing a system without investment - which may be nearly all of them?
4. If the answer to #3 is "no, but you'll get rewarded when you flip it", why should anyone defend a system that they haven't invested anything in and that the enemy will then also not invest in after they take it? When they could flip it back...
I can understand the expectation that the people who fight for occupancy even when it "doesn't matter" will continue to fight for it, and invest LP all around, but nobody wants to be a chump. If the only fresh source of LP is missions or kills, then people who invest LP in unlived-in systems are denying themselves isk and faction ships to fly, and only so that enemy plexers can take that LP and (if they aren't also chumps) spend it on isk and ships. The 'stick' of station lock-out is so much of a stick that it's self-defeating, as argued earlier.
If the desired change to FW is that we're all ignoring most systems to only attack 'hardened' enemy home bases, then... I don't feel like explaining why FW would no longer appeal to me. Maybe someone else will. |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
34
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:36:00 -
[416] - Quote
Almity wrote:[/ quote] You sure the name of your corp isn't Imperial Forum Outlaws?[/ quote]
We could make alts and put them in that corp and post here. Because trolling is how you communicate your interests to CCP. Well for being such a talented Forum Warrior, you sure fail at......
Quit Crying and Just Suck It Up |
Lil Nippy
State War Academy Caldari State
17
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:38:00 -
[417] - Quote
Maz3r Rakum wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Mutnin wrote:I do find it funny all the smack that comes from the Minmatar & Gallentte right now when it wasn't so long ago they were on the receiving side of getting face pounded.
When I first started FW I was on Minmatar side and to be honest Amarr used to curb stomp us pretty much when ever they wanted to. Minmatar used to throw total crap gangs at Amarr's Guardian supported Abaddon & Geddon gangs to the point there wasn't anything Minmatar guys could do aside from lose a lot of ships or stay docked.
Minmatar's "late night crew" was only a successful late night crew because that's the only time zone Amarr couldn't dominate them.
At the same time Caldari was curb stomping Gallentte and was getting medals for owning every system while Gals were crying about NPC's and that plexing didn't matter. Meanwhile their high sec systems were camped and they couldn't do much about it. Caldari blobs ruled their space and even started coming down to Minmatar space because they couldn't get fights out of Galentte.
Now a year or so later roles are reversed for the time being and Gals/Mins seem to have forgotten how they used to get curb stomped daily while trying to be smug as if it never happened.
It would be very funny to have seen these changes go into effect back then as all these posts would be reversed with Gals & Minmatar crying for resets or that their side wouldn't be able to compete because they are out blobbed and Caldari & Amarr guys telling them to man up.
Absolutely true. We used to be a bunch of bickering tribes more obsessed with a killboard race against each other for 3p33n reasons than actually cooperating to win the war. The Amarr on the other hand had superior organization and a centralized sense of discipline. And you're right, we cut our teeth by throwing crap against well armored BS fleets with proper logi, hoping to take down an expensive ship or two before we lost our cheap stuff. Why did we do this? Because it was fun, and we had a laugh. We griped and griped and griped about the Amarr "blobbing" us to death, and whined about how they would always outship us and outnumber us. It won't be the last time either, eventually they will bounce back and we'll be back to whining again. Welcome to Faction Warfare, where its always the enemy's fault for not "playing fair". Times change. Winners and losers change. The stakes themselves are about to change. But War? War never changes. Until CCP implements the proposed changes, and your previous foes either drop milita and/or leave the area. I'm glad CCP finally got around to killing FW.
Stop being a self righteous, pompous doom sayer. You mad that TMFED can't keep all of their capitals in Auga 3rd anymore and shutdown the entire warzone 24/7? Or that you cannot take your lame kiting tengu fleets into plexes where most of the fighting will be now?
Suck it up or unsub pal. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
395
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:39:00 -
[418] - Quote
chatgris wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Hrett wrote: I dont agree with all of this (no defensive plexing? Why?)
Thus, when attackers invade your space they are actually stealing your hard-earned LP, and causing your system upgrades to be slowly stripped away unless you do something about it. ... So the reward for defensive plexing is supposed to be that you continue to enjoy your system upgrades. Oh yeah, and still be able to dock. That should be a pretty big motivator to chase off the enemy without needing to paid on top of that. Before this, I was against the station stuff, but otherwise thought this would be a net positive. Taking what we now know, I think CCP will accomplish what I previously thought impossible: Making factional warfare worse than it is now. First, here is what we know based on the test server thread and Hans's gracious information in this thread - Plexing doesn't actually give you any LP, it merely steals LP from the opposing militia's IHUB - System ownership gives you the ability to dock in that station, and to put LP into iHUB to get small benefits to station services So, there will be practically no-one putting LP into the IHUB when it can be siphoned off while the person is sleeping, especially when the rewards for putting LP into the IHUB are so minimal. Therefore, plexing will have no rewards.....
I don't think this has been completely explained/hashed out yet.
I was thinking the amount of lp is based on 2 or three things. The amount of lp for offensive plexing would depend on 3 things. 1) base amount 2) some increase if the pilots paid into an upgrade and 3) some multiplier depending on what level of sov your opponent has. But really I am just speculating based on what I heard from devs on the sisi thread what I saw from fanfest and what i saw on sisi.
I received 17,000 lp for doing a medium plex in tararan on sisi. I don't think anyone upgraded that system with their own lp yet.
If its something like this then that aspect seems reasonable. CCP can tweak things. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
|
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
395
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:41:00 -
[419] - Quote
Alaekessa wrote:Almity wrote:[/ quote] You sure the name of your corp isn't Imperial Forum Outlaws?[/ quote]
We could make alts and put them in that corp and post here. Because trolling is how you communicate your interests to CCP. Well for being such a talented Forum Warrior, you sure fail at......
No one from the corp I am in is a forum warrior except me. SFAIK They are active in faction war and active doing pvp but normally don't post on these forums. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
|
Maz3r Rakum
The Imperial Fedaykin
20
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 20:47:00 -
[420] - Quote
Lil Nippy wrote:Maz3r Rakum wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Mutnin wrote:I do find it funny all the smack that comes from the Minmatar & Gallentte right now when it wasn't so long ago they were on the receiving side of getting face pounded.
When I first started FW I was on Minmatar side and to be honest Amarr used to curb stomp us pretty much when ever they wanted to. Minmatar used to throw total crap gangs at Amarr's Guardian supported Abaddon & Geddon gangs to the point there wasn't anything Minmatar guys could do aside from lose a lot of ships or stay docked.
Minmatar's "late night crew" was only a successful late night crew because that's the only time zone Amarr couldn't dominate them.
At the same time Caldari was curb stomping Gallentte and was getting medals for owning every system while Gals were crying about NPC's and that plexing didn't matter. Meanwhile their high sec systems were camped and they couldn't do much about it. Caldari blobs ruled their space and even started coming down to Minmatar space because they couldn't get fights out of Galentte.
Now a year or so later roles are reversed for the time being and Gals/Mins seem to have forgotten how they used to get curb stomped daily while trying to be smug as if it never happened.
It would be very funny to have seen these changes go into effect back then as all these posts would be reversed with Gals & Minmatar crying for resets or that their side wouldn't be able to compete because they are out blobbed and Caldari & Amarr guys telling them to man up.
Absolutely true. We used to be a bunch of bickering tribes more obsessed with a killboard race against each other for 3p33n reasons than actually cooperating to win the war. The Amarr on the other hand had superior organization and a centralized sense of discipline. And you're right, we cut our teeth by throwing crap against well armored BS fleets with proper logi, hoping to take down an expensive ship or two before we lost our cheap stuff. Why did we do this? Because it was fun, and we had a laugh. We griped and griped and griped about the Amarr "blobbing" us to death, and whined about how they would always outship us and outnumber us. It won't be the last time either, eventually they will bounce back and we'll be back to whining again. Welcome to Faction Warfare, where its always the enemy's fault for not "playing fair". Times change. Winners and losers change. The stakes themselves are about to change. But War? War never changes. Until CCP implements the proposed changes, and your previous foes either drop milita and/or leave the area. I'm glad CCP finally got around to killing FW. Stop being a self righteous, pompous doom sayer. You mad that TMFED can't keep all of their capitals in Auga 3rd anymore and shutdown the entire warzone 24/7? Or that you cannot take your lame kiting tengu fleets into plexes where most of the fighting will be now? Suck it up or unsub pal.
Show me on the doll where a mean Tengu touched you.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 [14] 15 16 17 18 19 20 .. 27 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |