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Cookies'n'Cream
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:10:00 -
[691] - Quote
Is Veshta = Hirana??
Also, what is a Shakorite?? Is this and RP thing? I'm not familiar with the lore.... |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
97
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Posted - 2012.05.14 18:35:00 -
[692] - Quote
Aye, it is all in the name .. The Yoshida Estate has two prominent daughters.
"Shakorite" is a term I have started using after it became evident that the Matari people at large has allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the megalomaniac Tyrant Shakor and his Brutor thugs. As with most cults/sects the name of follower is taken after that of the leader to indicate to whom they are enthralled and that they have no free will.
What is RP?
Cookies'n'Cream wrote:...I'm not familiar with the lore.... Damn woman! Time to hit the books (or chronicles as the case may be) don't you think? Some good reads there. |
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
35
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:33:00 -
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Lock out wrote: Not only that, but it's a lose lose situation. We win, we have no targets left in lowsec. We lose, we get locked out of stn. IF it's a balance, lots of hours of spinning around a boring button. And once in a blue moon when stars align a dessie fight in a plex.
I mean sure, it might lead to the nice fight now and then. But how about all those times when I'll have to spin buttons for 4 hrs to decontest my home system with no one coming in those plexes to shoot at me ? A lot of ppl that came for pvp not pve are gonna drop FW, simple as. Lemme give you some **** from our forums :
"To be honest, I am reluctantly waiting to see how it goes. But if it gets to 4 hrs / day plexing just to be able to dock, FW becomes a non option."
"I've read quite a lot of people saying they are / will leave. For us it's a case of let's see how it turns out, if it ends up being just a crazy grind then it's a no brainer tbh."
"if we have to plex for hours to get the system back, people will get bored of it, unless we get fight but i doubt."
"I hope I'm wrong, but I think we might have to leave Nisuwa, leave FW if we wanna stay in Nis or plex our asses off every day to stay in FW and in Nis... "
And these quotes come from guys on (what's generally considered) the winning side atm. Can;t even imagine how the losing sides (caldari/amarr) feel about it.
They could add in all the changes except lockouts and make FW more appealing to PvP'ers.
Something tells me CCP doesn't want FW to be too much of a draw. Hence, the huge penalty for fighting on the losing side.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
418
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:44:00 -
[694] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:Cearain wrote:Why not:... Because it does nothing to prevent snowballs and does nothing to keep the war going when a side collapses, unless of course you mean remove the modifier while still introducing a diminishing returns + inverse system .. As for FW monopolies on new/old items .. Goddess yes. But not before missions are made challenging and the first series of iterations on LP in FW have come and gone.
Yes it would tend to reduce the snowball effect if each faction had additional unique items only for that faction and there was not a 4xs multiplier (really a 16x multiplier) of cost.
For example if amarr had allot of amarr specific items (say some new ships like say a faction coercer or armor plates that were actually better than meta 4 plates) in their lp store that no other lp store had but had very few pilots on their side getting those items they would increase in value. I mean we have a few items already. However when the cost of those items is going to go up 4x its not really going to be worth it.
Add a few more faction ships and remove the 4x multiplier and I think we have a much better chance. The side with fewer pilots will be making more isk per lp.
From what hans posted I think he pointed this out to ccp. However after listening to an interview from soundwave I think he wants to see faction war snowball out of control for one side and then see if any other entities will join in. That is partly why I think many other mechanics are so accomodating for null sec alliances. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2361
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:02:00 -
[695] - Quote
Cearain wrote: From what hans posted I think he pointed this out to ccp. However after listening to an interview from soundwave I think he wants to see faction war snowball out of control for one side and then see if any other entities will join in.
Bingo. No real mystery about that.
And once the inevitable snowball occurs - one of two things will happen.
1.) Either entities will join in, and support the remaining militia members that haven't ragequit, and push for a giant comeback and make obscene profits along the way, cashing out all the LP they earn from PvP and offensive plexing once they push the multiplier into their favor (and this works even better if they can do it faster than the markets can price shift).
2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
253
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:13:00 -
[696] - Quote
Mutnin wrote:Lock out wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote: It won't be impossible for the Amarr/Caldari to fight back. Sure, it will be tough and it'll require cooperation and effort on their part, but honestly, I think it will be a good catalyst to inspire cooperation/effort on their part, an element they are sorely lacking.
It will be impossible. We decided to flip Enaluri yesterday. Caldari had their best effort that I've seen in ages, 50 guys all in one system, coming at us over and over again. We just rallied ppl, got more than 50, curbstomped them and then dreadbombed the bunker before they had the chance to run another plex to get it out of vulnerable. They are rebuilding and they can't cope with fighting against superior numbers, more experiencd pilots and better ships. So all in all they are gonna lose system after system. Not only that, but it's a lose lose situation. We win, we have no targets left in lowsec. We lose, we get locked out of stn. IF it's a balance, lots of hours of spinning around a boring button. And once in a blue moon when stars align a dessie fight in a plex. We had a meeting among the corp CEOs recently where I once again tried to push to get fleet fit ships ready and pretty much just got the same flack on the subject. I asked " what happens if Gals show up tomorrow to take Enaluri?" Ironically enough you guys attacked and captured it the next day, so I guess we now see what happens..
I wish I was a fly on the wall for that meeting. I really don't know why these guys would give you flack considering your advice is just common sense stuff. Anyone who has been in the warzone for a month can see the value in your advice.
I barely got to fight yesterday during Enaluri but alot of the GalMil guys were giving Caldari props for rallying that many people. Just imagine how much more competitive it would be if they actually had any sort of organization and fleet doctrine C'est La Eve :) Gallente Militia -áPVP Corp. Selective recruitment open. http://iamsheriff.com/eagle.html |
Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
36
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:45:00 -
[697] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: 2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again.
Hey, you did all you could possibly do before backing down.
I just re-watched a video someone did to support your candidacy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCggF0O8_o
I threw up a bit around 4:15.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
760
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:01:00 -
[698] - Quote
Dirk Smacker wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: 2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again.
Hey, you did all you could possibly do before backing down. I just re-watched a video someone did to support your candidacy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCggF0O8_oI threw up a bit around 4:15.
Im a little bothered by the fact I feel that you Hans have retreated from what got you/him elected by many people.
A lot of what you are saying now feels like the opposite of what we see in that vid starting from 4:15 Hans. And what was said on your blogs.
Remember when what i was saying on voice when they were talking about what was coming on fanfest feed and how I said it was bad then and why. You said it was prob just ideas they were kicking around and most of it was just drawing board still. Well seems i was right it was not just drawing board was it.
That crystal ball.
Welcome to Null Light. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
121
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:47:00 -
[699] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Cearain wrote: From what hans posted I think he pointed this out to ccp. However after listening to an interview from soundwave I think he wants to see faction war snowball out of control for one side and then see if any other entities will join in. Bingo. No real mystery about that. And once the inevitable snowball occurs - one of two things will happen. 1.) Either entities will join in, and support the remaining militia members that haven't ragequit, and push for a giant comeback and make obscene profits along the way, cashing out all the LP they earn from PvP and offensive plexing once they push the multiplier into their favor (and this works even better if they can do it faster than the markets can price shift).
oh ... hello Hans our FW savor ... oh no he just entered hellhole for the nullbears and his own faction
blobfest here we comes ... Hans both options u mentioned leads to total destruction of small scale warfare. Actually last few days on caldari front are pointing to the future quite exactly.
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free>>>free ****>>>????
Public ch.: Basterds on vacation-á |
marketjacker
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
18
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:26:00 -
[700] - Quote
Hidden Snake wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Cearain wrote: From what hans posted I think he pointed this out to ccp. However after listening to an interview from soundwave I think he wants to see faction war snowball out of control for one side and then see if any other entities will join in. Bingo. No real mystery about that. And once the inevitable snowball occurs - one of two things will happen. 1.) Either entities will join in, and support the remaining militia members that haven't ragequit, and push for a giant comeback and make obscene profits along the way, cashing out all the LP they earn from PvP and offensive plexing once they push the multiplier into their favor (and this works even better if they can do it faster than the markets can price shift). oh ... hello Hans our FW savor ... oh no he just entered hellhole for the nullbears and his own faction blobfest here we comes ... Hans both options u mentioned leads to total destruction of small scale warfare. Actually last few days on caldari front are pointing to the future quite exactly. and yes this is just spit in our faces Hans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCggF0O8_oafter watching this .... I would tell u just step down from CSM once the patch is up ... honestly politicians in RL sometimes do this when they break their promises.
My God you and dirk (and most of IBS) are so bitter you are getting kicked from rakapas. |
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Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
37
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:51:00 -
[701] - Quote
marketjacker wrote: My God you and dirk (and most of IBS) are so bitter you are getting kicked from rakapas.
My God gets kicked from nowhere.
I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
185
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:13:00 -
[702] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again.
At that point it will be far too little much to late and will still end with the situation that one side is way stronger than the other, being the other has to rebuild from scratch. This is a lose lose situation all around if it comes to this point..
The first is one of the worst game design mentalities I've even heard of.
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Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
85
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:30:00 -
[703] - Quote
LOL at all the rage towards Hans. Just remember CSM dont make decisions, its upto CCP to actually to listen to them...
I say lets see what happens post 22nd... For now stop whining and get on with it... As there will be MANY AWESOME FIGHTS to be had over the next 7 days! Bring on this weekend!!!! It will be a blockbuster!!!!! |
Arianna Satellizer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:58:00 -
[704] - Quote
Why does always CCP project and design everything in Eve as a preparation to null sec... WHY!!!! And they said this was a sandbox game.... there goes my ENDGAME low sec experience. Tnx for ruining it. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
419
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:13:00 -
[705] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: 2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again.
Hey, you did all you could possibly do before backing down. I just re-watched a video someone did to support your candidacy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCggF0O8_oI threw up a bit around 4:15. Im a little bothered by the fact I feel that you Hans have retreated from what got you/him elected by many people. A lot of what you are saying now feels like the opposite of what we see in that vid starting from 4:15 Hans. .
Well I think its clear CCP' expansion is not at all in line with the ideas he ran on from 3:52 on. But it is not GÇ£hans's expansion.GÇ¥ In fact most of this was probably already done by the time he took office. I don't think we can blame him for this.
When he says leave all the empire building resource management blobs and political drama to null sec, well that is what we are getting.
Already you see someone saying "the problem" with amarr is we aren't "organized." We have multiple fcs running small gangs. This is supposedly the problem??? In other words we need to all get in one big blobby fleet. And indeed the side that does that will win with these mechanics.
The other answer we hear is that we should start recruiting more players. Yep we need bigger and bigger blobs if we want to have fun in this proposed mechanic. What happened to making the mechanics fun for roaming pvpers? The 2 end results are either a large null sec alliance comes and swings the battle, or it just ends in stagnation. Neither option sounds very good based on the ideas we had in mind when we voted hans in. I donGÇÖt think this is hansGÇÖs fault though. I just wish ccp would recognize what the people who voted for hans had in mind.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
98
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:08:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Bingo. No real mystery about that.. what an odd way of designing a game, basing major contentious balance decisions on wishful thinking/hope rather than applying thought/common sense. House M.D. makes for an awesome TV show, endangering the life of patients (and sometimes outright killing them) in the hope of finding a 'cure' while praying that should it go sideways it will be possible to resuscitate .. but in game design? .. Hahahahahahaha .. guess all my loathing for the flip-flopper called Soundwave is justified
1. One side collapses. Remaining pilots scratch dirt to find scrubs for sustenance. Null blob comes to the rescue, farms the crap out of it and leaves post haste (ie. like every major western hemisphere military intervention/"help" the last 40 years). Only interest is ISK/LP and nothing else. Side collapses, the remaining pilots now start scratching the dirt for scrubs on a full stomach and get to pray for the next wave of big spender "foreigners" *Yay*.
2. Full-on idiocy turns out to be ... surprise ... Idiocy. FW is effectively killed off as more than half of all active/involved corps leave for pastures green (no one likes grinds). By the time the metrics irrefutably show that the patient is indeed no longer with us and Soundwave rummages around his dirty sock drawer for the Hail Mary, null has had its third and final pass making it 'acceptable', containing less grinds, more pew and can be profitable with a bit of work. If by random chance and blind luck the Hail Mary works and FW is actually fixed (18 months!) no one joins up as that which most joined up for to get away from in the first place was fixed earlier (Null).
@Hans: Our efforts to influence the CSM/process came too late, best you can do is make sure they start the resuscitation in a timely fashion. @CCP: Making life altering decisions based on die rolls is a valid way of managing ones life, but doing so where the lives of others are involved is not. Apply your grey for Goddess sake. |
Lord Azeroth
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
25
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:20:00 -
[707] - Quote
The pro-blob advocates, be careful what you wish for, cause you may not like the result even if you are on the winning side today.............. just saying. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
421
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Posted - 2012.05.15 03:54:00 -
[708] - Quote
I don't think faction war will die. I just think it won't be kept alive from the same people. Now the people who keep it alive are people who play to have lots of interesting and quality pvp. After inferno it will be kept alive by people who like to blob and farm, blob and farm.
In other words people who like sov null sec will like these changes. there of course is nothing wrong with liking sov null sec. But why make faction war more of the same?
Veshta Yoshida wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Bingo. No real mystery about that.. what an odd way of designing a game, basing major contentious balance decisions on wishful thinking/hope rather than applying thought/common sense. House M.D. makes for an awesome TV show, endangering the life of patients (and sometimes outright killing them) in the hope of finding a 'cure' while praying that should it go sideways it will be possible to resuscitate .. but in game design? .. Hahahahahahaha .. guess all my loathing for the flip-flopper called Soundwave is justified 1. One side collapses. Remaining pilots scratch dirt to find scrubs for sustenance. Null blob comes to the rescue, farms the crap out of it and leaves post haste (ie. like every major western hemisphere military intervention/"help" the last 40 years). Only interest is ISK/LP and nothing else. Side collapses, the remaining pilots now start scratching the dirt for scrubs on a full stomach and get to pray for the next wave of big spender "foreigners" *Yay*. 2. Full-on idiocy turns out to be ... surprise ... Idiocy. FW is effectively killed off as more than half of all active/involved corps leave for pastures green (no one likes grinds). By the time the metrics irrefutably show that the patient is indeed no longer with us and Soundwave rummages around his dirty sock drawer for the Hail Mary, null has had its third and final pass making it 'acceptable', containing less grinds, more pew and can be profitable with a bit of work. If by random chance and blind luck the Hail Mary works and FW is actually fixed (18 months!) no one joins up as that which most joined up for to get away from in the first place was fixed earlier (Null). @Hans: Our efforts to influence the CSM/process came too late, best you can do is make sure they start the resuscitation in a timely fashion. @CCP: Making life altering decisions based on die rolls is a valid way of managing ones life, but doing so where the lives of others are involved is not. Apply your grey for Goddess sake.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
122
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:14:00 -
[709] - Quote
Andiedeath wrote:LOL at all the rage towards Hans. Just remember CSM dont make decisions, its upto CCP to actually to listen to them...
I say lets see what happens post 22nd... For now stop whining and get on with it... As there will be MANY AWESOME FIGHTS to be had over the next 7 days! Bring on this weekend!!!! It will be a blockbuster!!!!!
Why? to loose ships in blobery idiocy? Who runs more numbers wins?
Sorry no need to play the nobrainer. IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
1
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:46:00 -
[710] - Quote
Andiedeath wrote:For now stop whining and get on with it... As there will be MANY AWESOME FIGHTS to be had over the next 7 days! Bring on this weekend!!!! It will be a blockbuster!!!!!
No, there wont be.
Fortunately i'm all set now for future anyways and moved all my assets out from conquerable low-sec and have scouted a nice wormhole to jump into when FW becomes the real shite. |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
236
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Posted - 2012.05.15 05:59:00 -
[711] - Quote
Cearain wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: 2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again.
Hey, you did all you could possibly do before backing down. I just re-watched a video someone did to support your candidacy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCggF0O8_oI threw up a bit around 4:15. Im a little bothered by the fact I feel that you Hans have retreated from what got you/him elected by many people. A lot of what you are saying now feels like the opposite of what we see in that vid starting from 4:15 Hans. . Well I think its clear CCP' expansion is not at all in line with the ideas he ran on from 3:52 on. But it is not GÇ£hans's expansion.GÇ¥ In fact most of this was probably already done by the time he took office. I don't think we can blame him for this. When he says leave all the empire building resource management blobs and political drama to null sec, well that is what we are getting. Already you see someone saying "the problem" with amarr is we aren't "organized." We have multiple fcs running small gangs. This is supposedly the problem??? In other words we need to all get in one big blobby fleet. And indeed the side that does that will win with these mechanics. The other answer we hear is that we should start recruiting more players. Yep we need bigger and bigger blobs if we want to have fun in this proposed mechanic. What happened to making the mechanics fun for roaming pvpers? The 2 end results are either a large null sec alliance comes and swings the battle, or it just ends in stagnation. Neither option sounds very good based on the ideas we had in mind when we voted hans in. I donGÇÖt think this is hansGÇÖs fault though. I just wish ccp would recognize what the people who voted for hans had in mind.
Well, the problem isn't necessarily the mechanics, its the people. Currently, Minmatar and Gallente are simply bigger and more numerous. There isn't anything CCP can do to change that. I don't think its fair for CCP to limit participation from the bigger side in favor of the little guy; that isn't the way CCP has historically built EVE Online.
And if they did somehow create some restriction on how many people of each militia could be in a system or in a plex at a single time, that system would get horribly abused and be hopelessly ineffective. Regardless of whatever mechanics CCP decides to throw at us, the problem is that we are simply bigger/stronger than the Amarr and likewise for the Gallente. Nothing CCP does will change that, it is up to the Amarr and Caldari themselves to a) recruit more or b) cooperate/coordinate with the #s they have better or c) do nothing, leave the warzone, and let the Minmatar/Gallente to stagnate/atrophy with no targets until the sides are once more at an equilibrium.
That is the way the warzones have always been, Inferno isn't going to change this very fundamental aspect of the war. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Grimfang Wyrmspawn
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
2
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:18:00 -
[712] - Quote
I think our recruiting efforts certainly aren't helped by the storyline CCP gifted the faction.
"Religious zealot slavers? Who wouldn't want to join them?" |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
185
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:32:00 -
[713] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote: That is the way the warzones have always been, Inferno isn't going to change this very fundamental aspect of the war.
Not but in the past it was possible for any side to fail and then always come back over time. These new mechanics will create a situation where it becomes very improbable that the losing side we have the ability to ever come back.
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
122
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:39:00 -
[714] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Cearain wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Dirk Smacker wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: 2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again.
Hey, you did all you could possibly do before backing down. I just re-watched a video someone did to support your candidacy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPCggF0O8_oI threw up a bit around 4:15. Im a little bothered by the fact I feel that you Hans have retreated from what got you/him elected by many people. A lot of what you are saying now feels like the opposite of what we see in that vid starting from 4:15 Hans. . Well I think its clear CCP' expansion is not at all in line with the ideas he ran on from 3:52 on. But it is not GÇ£hans's expansion.GÇ¥ In fact most of this was probably already done by the time he took office. I don't think we can blame him for this. When he says leave all the empire building resource management blobs and political drama to null sec, well that is what we are getting. Already you see someone saying "the problem" with amarr is we aren't "organized." We have multiple fcs running small gangs. This is supposedly the problem??? In other words we need to all get in one big blobby fleet. And indeed the side that does that will win with these mechanics. The other answer we hear is that we should start recruiting more players. Yep we need bigger and bigger blobs if we want to have fun in this proposed mechanic. What happened to making the mechanics fun for roaming pvpers? The 2 end results are either a large null sec alliance comes and swings the battle, or it just ends in stagnation. Neither option sounds very good based on the ideas we had in mind when we voted hans in. I donGÇÖt think this is hansGÇÖs fault though. I just wish ccp would recognize what the people who voted for hans had in mind. Well, the problem isn't necessarily the mechanics, its the people. Currently, Minmatar and Gallente are simply bigger and more numerous. There isn't anything CCP can do to change that. I don't think its fair for CCP to limit participation from the bigger side in favor of the little guy; that isn't the way CCP has historically built EVE Online. And if they did somehow create some restriction on how many people of each militia could be in a system or in a plex at a single time, that system would get horribly abused and be hopelessly ineffective. Regardless of whatever mechanics CCP decides to throw at us, the problem is that we are simply bigger/stronger than the Amarr and likewise for the Gallente. Nothing CCP does will change that, it is up to the Amarr and Caldari themselves to a) recruit more or b) cooperate/coordinate with the #s they have better or c) do nothing, leave the warzone, and let the Minmatar/Gallente to stagnate/atrophy with no targets until the sides are once more at an equilibrium. That is the way the warzones have always been, Inferno isn't going to change this very fundamental aspect of the war. i am afraid this time u r not right ... Because we will get stuck with the state of blobery.
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
17
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:45:00 -
[715] - Quote
As Bob Marley sang: Everythings gonna be alright.
So stop crying wimminz and wait see how it all plays out. Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:46:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:c) do nothing, leave the warzone, and let the Minmatar/Gallente to stagnate/atrophy with no targets until the sides are once more at an equilibrium.
Because people leave enviroment where they get four times as much LP for same effort as opposition for more challenging enviroment because ultimately people want pvp and not isk farming --- CCP's train of thought.
If you believe that, I might have several decent bridges to sell...
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Sui'Djin
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:02:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Cearain wrote: From what hans posted I think he pointed this out to ccp. However after listening to an interview from soundwave I think he wants to see faction war snowball out of control for one side and then see if any other entities will join in. Bingo. No real mystery about that. And once the inevitable snowball occurs - one of two things will happen. 1.) Either entities will join in, and support the remaining militia members that haven't ragequit, and push for a giant comeback and make obscene profits along the way, cashing out all the LP they earn from PvP and offensive plexing once they push the multiplier into their favor (and this works even better if they can do it faster than the markets can price shift). 2.) The doomsday predictions will come true, and the war will stagnate, fights will decrease, and I will have demonstrated to CCP that they should have listened to me and pared back the multiplier and not gone with full station docking. Necessary adjustments would than be made to get the fights rolling again.
Sad story, but this is not your fault Hans. All those ignorants starting flame wars to you did obviously not listen to you from the very beginning. I imagine this design decision must be VERY frustrating for you, to say the least.
I don't want to be CCP Soundwave's guinea pig. I want to have the lowsec fightclub. I don't mind fighting against the odds, as long as there is a fair chance. But there obviously isn't. |
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:38:00 -
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It will draw new FW players, it already does, sadly old FW players are leaving.
my self included, these changes make FW a full time job, untill now I ran a couple of PI stations did some anomalies and then joined up with a fleet to run plexes.
I considered the different disaplines a fun mix, current changes make that all but impossible.
I'll probably be back after I'f trained an alt on this account so I can keep my income.
Sure changes give you LP, though most of that need a s^&t load of tags and Plexes are almost never salvaged, new system will make that even harder.So jack casual still needs a side income, which will be very hard after the patch, unless you want to run FW missions.
Untill later FW Friends and Enemies |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:40:00 -
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Mike Whiite wrote:It will draw new FW players, it already does, sadly old FW players are leaving.
my self included, these changes make FW a full time job, untill now I ran a couple of PI stations did some anomalies and then joined up with a fleet to run plexes.
I considered the different disaplines a fun mix, current changes make that all but impossible.
I'll probably be back after I'f trained an alt on this account so I can keep my income.
Sure changes give you LP, though most of that need a s^&t load of tags and Plexes are almost never salvaged, new system will make that even harder.So jack casual still needs a side income, which will be very hard after the patch, unless you want to run FW missions.
Untill later FW Friends and Enemies
I am afraid new people are not comming ... only attention of some "roll over them for lulz" alliance.
IBS recruiting >>> http://ingloriousbs.wordpress.com -á>>> questionable ethics >>> tears >>> happy snakes>>>frog cocktails free?>>>????-áPublic ch.: Basterds on vacation Hans resign from CSM! |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:59:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:c) do nothing, leave the warzone, and let the Minmatar/Gallente to stagnate/atrophy with no targets until the sides are once more at an equilibrium. Because people leave enviroment where they get four times as much LP for same effort as opposition for more challenging enviroment because ultimately people want pvp and not isk farming --- CCP's train of thought. If you believe that, I might have several decent bridges to sell...
Hmm, you have a point. I don't think the state of the warzone (which side is winning or not) should affect the ISK/LP ratio. Makes it about the ISK, not about the action. Hopefully CCP changes this down the road. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
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