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Sintechz
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Posted - 2009.04.03 08:14:00 -
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As resent ive seen lots of players try to scam others. Some players can se the scam but some might not and that is probly a new player that do not understand what a contract is and how i can scam you. So there for they take the scamers words and get robed of what he worked for a long time (Might lead to that the player quits EVE).
As for making it against the rules i suggest that it would be illegal to Scam in public channels this way the scamers cant SPAM the channels with their lies, and less the chance he will find anyone to scam this way.
Simple make either a petition for scamers so that they can be reported if they SPAM/SCAM in a public channel. Or make it simple no waring and 1 Week Ban!
Many players might think there is no need for this, cause you don't fall for scams. Sure you don't fall for em, what about a New player that starts playing, and makes his first 100Milj and feels good about them.And then someone makes him a deal so he could get more money even, but instead of that he looses all.
Veterans for EVE dont need this rule but new players should be protected from scams.
Peace!
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 09:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 03/04/2009 09:03:32
If people can make 100 mil before they learn to read an Eve contract then it means new players make too much ISK, not that scams are overpowered.
"Send me X and I'll send 10X" scams are a joke. I cannot fathom how someone would send money to one of those except out of either irony or cautious curiosity. Sending a wallet breaking amount of ISK to one is just nuts.
IMO I think the current degree of anti-scamming mechanics are fine. They're basically limited to something or other about plex cards, and can baiting in starter systems.
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2009.04.03 10:41:00 -
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The only scams i have problems with are ones that take advantage of the inferior U/I. (like the 999 pricing games), but those should be fixed by fixing the U/I, NOT by banning the scammers...
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Metalcali
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.03 13:32:00 -
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Why not ban stupidity than, as the people who fall for the scams clearly aren't paying attention to what they are getting into. You don't go out and sign a loan without reading it first do you?
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.04.03 16:36:00 -
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Lol haha ahahhahahhahahahahh hahhahhah
See also: the other relevant thread
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Adaera
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Posted - 2009.04.03 16:52:00 -
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If you're dumb enough to fall for those scams, you deserve it. If you're ignorant about the game enough to fall for those scams - you've learned the hard way and won't do it again. ___________________
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Shassandra
Gallente Center For High Times Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.03 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Shassandra on 03/04/2009 21:10:39 Funny Sintechz, there were scams when I first started Eve. Of course, back then they were called Escrows, and the scams were harder to see than they are now.
When Contracts first came out, I fell for my first scam. Back then, you could list manually the number of items within a contract (item exchange contracts) (ended up buying 1 tritanium for 40 million isk. It actually said 20 million tritanium on the contract).
Contracts now are just about as fool-proof as they can be, but as a quote I read on a friend's signature:
Programming today is a race between software-programmers trying to create bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to create bigger and better idiots. So far the universe is winning.
CCP have always said "scams are allowed. Eve is a tough world." If you want a sandbox where you cn hardly go wrong, go play X3 series (don't get me wrong, I do love those games. Very complex ).
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.03 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shassandra Contracts now are just about as fool-proof as they can be, but as a quote I read on a friend's signature:
Programming today is a race between software-programmers trying to create bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to create bigger and better idiots. So far the universe is winning.
This! Proper use of the contract filters will ensure that you don't even see contract scams, let alone fall for them.
As for the rest the scams out there, it comes down to the old idiom: "A fool and his money are soon parted." The only way to prevent that is education: as long as the players are foolish, one way or another they will be seperated from their money.
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jinkoti boslin2
Firehawks The Church.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: jinkoti boslin2 on 03/04/2009 23:56:36 Leave scamming alone.. It's funny, and if people are THAT dumb.. well f*ck em.
Edit: I have never scammed or been scammed, but I belive in a world like Eve, it should definitely be possible, anything else just wouldn't feel right..
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Heavan
Caldari Cows with Gunz
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Posted - 2009.04.03 23:59:00 -
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If a scammer gets away with it, good for them. If a scammer gets busted they should pay/get punished.
It should work both ways.
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Sir Substance
Minmatar MagiTech Alliance Inc. MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.04 12:02:00 -
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can i just say, before we go any further, i love the shakesperian style paragraphs.
also, ASDR(about scams didnt read).
scam are part of the game, always have been. the defining characteristic that sets eve apart from any other MMO out there, fantasy or sci-fi, is not its single server, nor its skill training system, nor its player driven market, but its inter-player behavoir.
there is no other MMO out there where scamming is acceptable, and they are all just that little bit more tame because of it.
no, the scamming must stay, if we lose scamming, we lose an essential part of what makes eve online the harshest mmo around.
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Nephilius
Caldari Grey Legionaires
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Posted - 2009.04.04 15:08:00 -
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Can't decide which hurts worse, my eyes or my brain.
Got a space bridge I'll sell you...cheap. I ate a Carebear once...couldn't quit farting rainbows for a month. |
Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.04 17:24:00 -
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Eve a harsh, mean world. As intended. Weak prey on poor. No change necessary.
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.04 17:26:00 -
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Eve a harsh, mean world. As intended. Weak prey on poor. No change necessary.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.04 18:01:00 -
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i am almost a year old player. Yesterday i was scammed out of a billion isk on the market.
First i have always been very careful with dealing with the market and contracts. i read the scamtracts in jita for entertainment and when i buy an item through contract i read it very carefully. More or less im paranoid.
When using the market i am as careful. I watch what im buying and how much im buying it for.
Yesterday i was in mid warp from the gate to the dock where i was going to pick up my new item. i had the one i wanted selected. i clicked it to bring up the confirm buy window. glanced at the price and it matched. i was satsified....
no i wasnt. I had just spent 1 billion isk on a 1 million isk industrial. I checked the prices and they were exactly the same except one had more 0s. My g/f who was sitting 3 feet from me and watch me complete the transaction said she seen the market window refresh just a split second before i clicked the mouse button. i never seen the window refresh, i was probably glanceing at distance left at the time as thats the only thing i remember doing in route. Since the prices matched exactly except for the extra 0s i didnt give it alot of thought.
I petetioned CCP about it. I purchased the indy i had thought i was purchasing in the first place. it was sold by the exact same person. He set up the entire scam using two indies.
After i had lost my bil isk knowing ccp was more than likely to side with the crooks than the honest player. i thought seriously about quitting( please i dont want the hear the 5 yr old can i have your stuff BS) This one transaction had wiped out 66% of my wallet. i had in the last 3-4 months lost over 500 mil because of two alliances i was in being epic fails as management. and now i lost 1 bil isk to a scammer because of a market refresh. it took me 9 months and ALOT of ratting missioning and trading to get my wallet to stablize at 1.5 bil. ive literally spent hundreds of hours in game building my wallet so i can pvp in decent ships without be broke constantly.
i dont want people to feel sorry for me. Im not looking for sympathy. i want my isk back. And i want CCP to quit allowing people to scam other in game.
Between my g/f and i we have player 5 different MM0s Some paid some free. none require the intensive money making eve does to actually pvp/pve. Yet in all these games but eve , if you try to scam another player in game or out or exploit the game in anyway they either suspend your account and then ban you for the next offense of permamently ban you fromt he game.
Eve is the only MMO i know of that allows players to scam other players. They consider it normal. Maybe thats how iceland is people scam each other and its normal but where i come from scammers go to prison. So its NOT like the real world.
I have not yet decided if im going to quit play or not. I just got where i wanted to be in eve after months of hard work. And i hate to throw it all away. But honestly I feel like everything i worked for was lost to some lazy *** lowlife that cant be bothered to actually work for his isk. And he is probably the same way in real life..screwing his way through life. probably screwed someone out of the money to pay for the account.
I thought about calling eve quits. i love the game itself, but im not going to grind for months just so some ***hat can take my isk away cause he is to lazy to work for isk.
The point of the story is its just not noobs that get scammed. SO many scams and scammers going on you are bound to get scammed once. Even being careful like i was and paying attention i still ended up getting scammed. Its a flaw in game mechanics and game management....CCP dont care because if CCP has to ban scammers they arent getting the cash for those accounts. but scammers are alot worse now than when i started. Almost every item in jita has a scam attached somewhere and its spreading fast to new markets.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.04.04 18:12:00 -
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Your tears, they are great.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.04 18:22:00 -
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I know some of you like having scamming as part of the game. But honestly MMOs dont allow scammers for one reason. It really hurts their rep. This game already is unappealing to most noobs cause its not noob friendly at all. the fact that to get anywhere requires months of playing for hours on end is unappealling to most people. Being scammed out of money when these people paid for accounts is another reason not to play. I mean would you pay for something to get screwed out of what you were paying for?
Scammers and being allowed to scam fuel the following: 1)more scammers( if you cant beat them join them AND if they can get insta rich off it and ccp wont punish them then im going to do it too) 2)honest players who actually make their isk legally quitting. 3) isk buying. Sure you can buy 600-650 mil isk for $35 in the form of plexs.. but isk farmers sell much cheaper( yeah i read those when im bored in jita too) 4) bad reputation for eve. I played a MMO called shadowbane before this one. Their devs allowed CN( chinese nation) to overrun every server blobing everyone but CN off the server. Massive farming parties to farm gold to sell, not even everyone else on the server against CN could take them on as their was just to many. shadowbane got a bad rep as being flooded with large groups of CN farmers and over time their player base( except the farmers) virtually disappeared. Even making the game free failed to attract new players. It only spawned more CN farmers and now the game is nothing but a chinese farming game.
CCP will get a bad rep eventually for allowing rampant scamming.. that is one of the most unappealing things you could have in a game is scamming. NO one is going to sign up to play knowing they are likely to get scammed out of their stuff and its legal. Who would?
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.04 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril Your tears, they are great.
^^ your immaturity its great. i cant wait till you get scammed. that probably wont happen cause you probably dont have anything of value.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.04.04 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 04/04/2009 18:25:56 So scamming == iskfarming ? lol
@up, actualy i got quite rich partialy on scamming.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.04 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 04/04/2009 18:40:06
Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 04/04/2009 18:25:56 So scamming == iskfarming ? lol
@up, actualy i got quite rich partialy on scamming.
that went way over your head. here ill put it in simple english. scamming + legal = bad rep for game = potentional paying customers shying away from a game that is known to allow players to scam other players.
Allowing scammers to play eve, just makes the game more unappealing. eventually allowing it to go unchecked is going to cause all the regular players to move to the competition that DOESNT allow scamming. and here is where i compared it to shadowbane, so pay close attention and read slowly....
not fixing a major issue that gives you( the devs) a bad rep will cause your player base to eventually dwindle. You will be left with only those undesirable players ( in shadowbane that was CN in eve its scammers). the game will eventually epically fail as scammers will have no one left to scam but each other. THEN CCP will try to correct it but it will be to late as they already acquired a bad rep for allowing scamming to take place in their game anyway.
Did you follow it that time or do i need to use 2nd grade english comprehension?
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Metalcali
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.04.04 19:31:00 -
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I ask you this, in a game where you can make up your own contracts and someone wants to charge a price for something and you have to click yes about two or three times before you get your desired item, you're saying they should punish those people when you were the one to give your isk to them? When someone over charges in the market, ccp needs to punish them for selling their item potentially to someone else because they are asking way to much?
In both situations it is the buyers fault for not understanding what they are getting into and they pretty much deserve the loss if anything as a warning to pay more attention. You pay 15 bucks a month to play this game and work hard to make all that money and want the makers to slap someone else because you were foolish in spending it, doesn't add up, the buyer should be slapped
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.04.04 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 04/04/2009 19:48:57
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 04/04/2009 18:40:06
Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 04/04/2009 18:25:56 So scamming == iskfarming ? lol
@up, actualy i got quite rich partialy on scamming.
that went way over your head. here ill put it in simple english. scamming + legal = bad rep for game = potentional paying customers shying away from a game that is known to allow players to scam other players.
Allowing scammers to play eve, just makes the game more unappealing. eventually allowing it to go unchecked is going to cause all the regular players to move to the competition that DOESNT allow scamming. and here is where i compared it to shadowbane, so pay close attention and read slowly....
not fixing a major issue that gives you( the devs) a bad rep will cause your player base to eventually dwindle. You will be left with only those undesirable players ( in shadowbane that was CN in eve its scammers). the game will eventually epically fail as scammers will have no one left to scam but each other. THEN CCP will try to correct it but it will be to late as they already acquired a bad rep for allowing scamming to take place in their game anyway.
Did you follow it that time or do i need to use 2nd grade english comprehension?
One more time, also what is that comprehension you are talking about ? Definitly you should take class of "reading what i've wrote" because you've wrote that scamming allows isk buying.
As for ppl leaving eve because of scamming, thats definitly true. Just look at amount of subscribers since 2004 - we are definitly loosing players, you are right - eve is falling apart. We must ban scammers at once. Right after that we must ban griefers, can flippers, suicide gankers and highsec pierats. That or eve will die.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.04 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Metalcali I ask you this, in a game where you can make up your own contracts and someone wants to charge a price for something and you have to click yes about two or three times before you get your desired item, you're saying they should punish those people when you were the one to give your isk to them? When someone over charges in the market, ccp needs to punish them for selling their item potentially to someone else because they are asking way to much?
In both situations it is the buyers fault for not understanding what they are getting into and they pretty much deserve the loss if anything as a warning to pay more attention. You pay 15 bucks a month to play this game and work hard to make all that money and want the makers to slap someone else because you were foolish in spending it, doesn't add up, the buyer should be slapped
1) it takes a while to understand how the market and game contracts work. If i scam you in a real life contract i shouldnt be punished either because, according to your theory, it is your fault you let me scam you. However i can create loopholes in a real contract that would let me scam you legally. if scamming wasnt illegal in itself. Eve contracts are the same. their are loopholes in contracts that unless you know exactly what to check for you can be scammed. For someone not experienced at using eve contracts this allows them to be scammed.
2) market scamming is done buy putting a similar looking price for your item but adding more digits. your intent is to decieve people and that is what part should be punished. take item A the lowest price is 289,999.98 with 20 units for sell. take item A2 with 2 units for sell at 289,999,999.98. this item is obviously trying to exploit the market window. ( since the window default width only allows for so many digits and then begins to center the number in the box). Most people dont adjust this window and many probably dont even think about adjusting it. Thus the numbers are offset to each other in the market window. If you expand this price window so its rather wide you can easily tell the difference between amount of digits. I normally dont keep mine really wide but wide enough to display the full numbers plus the word isk. It helps prevent the scams but many dont know about the scams or if you do this you can increase your chances avoiding them greatly.
IN both cases game mechanics, or another players lack of knowledge about game mechanics rather is exploited for financial gain. So people should be punished for not instantly knowing eve game mechanics while others can exploit this and prey on them?
3) My case is a bit unique. I saw the scammers market order. their were several orders. their was the one i wanted for 1,200,000. the scammers for 1,021,000,000 and several others with other digits in them 3s 4s 5s etc. My normal habit is to check the market buy order confirm window with the price i intended to buy at. in this case i was attempting to select the first order of 1,200,000 and the window updated/jumped. When it brought up the confirm buy window all the digits were the same. except their were more 0s. Glancing at this and remembering other similar orders had different digits i hit confirm. as i looked at the price again as the window disappeared i instantly panicked.. their were more 0s in my my confirm box than i had counted when i click the box in the market window. my g/f says that the window jumped a split second before i clicked. I never noticed the slight jump.
So in my case i am being punished for someone else exploiting the game mechanics. Even though i was careful the last 9 months of my eve play time not to get scammed i fell victim because the window decided to jump as i clicked and the scammer set it up so they looked exactly alike and unless you count numbers/commas every time you buy something the same exact thing can happen to anyone new or old player.
EXPLOIT IMO
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.04 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 04/04/2009 20:25:59
Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 04/04/2009 19:48:57
Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 04/04/2009 18:40:06
Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 04/04/2009 18:25:56 So scamming == iskfarming ? lol
@up, actualy i got quite rich partialy on scamming.
that went way over your head. here ill put it in simple english. scamming + legal = bad rep for game = potentional paying customers shying away from a game that is known to allow players to scam other players.
Allowing scammers to play eve, just makes the game more unappealing. eventually allowing it to go unchecked is going to cause all the regular players to move to the competition that DOESNT allow scamming. and here is where i compared it to shadowbane, so pay close attention and read slowly....
not fixing a major issue that gives you( the devs) a bad rep will cause your player base to eventually dwindle. You will be left with only those undesirable players ( in shadowbane that was CN in eve its scammers). the game will eventually epically fail as scammers will have no one left to scam but each other. THEN CCP will try to correct it but it will be to late as they already acquired a bad rep for allowing scamming to take place in their game anyway.
Did you follow it that time or do i need to use 2nd grade english comprehension?
One more time, also what is that comprehension you are talking about ? Definitly you should take class of "reading what i've wrote" because you've wrote that scamming allows isk buying.
As for ppl leaving eve because of scamming, thats definitly true. Just look at amount of subscribers since 2004 - we are definitly loosing players, you are right - eve is falling apart. We must ban scammers at once. Right after that we must ban griefers, can flippers, suicide gankers and highsec pierats. That or eve will die.
i wrote scamming ENCOURAGES isk buying. and you wrote "scamming = iskfarming? lol" isk farming isnt the same as isk buying. one can be a product of the other but they are not the same thing... so yeah hows your comprehension again? maybe you should stick to scamming and not debating.
And for your other remark. when i started playing last year jita had few scammers( comapared to now). most people in local were legit contracts. Now 95% of the contracts spammed are indeed scams. Scamming takes place in the market and even in investing. Scams are running rampant in the game and scamming is becoming the new profession. People flock to scamming as a fast way to make money. and it cost nothing out of pocket ( real life). you dont have to buy isk or plexs with real life cash. you just exploit the game to get people to give you large chunks of money. Scamming is so bad now people constantly complain about it in local jita. scammers are a hot topic. its getting way out of hand.
And it is true the amount of people playing has increased. Some of these people are coming back from being inactive for years( i recently recruited a few like this)and some new players are coming from other games like wow or just happen to find this game advertised. eve is also in stores now which is causing a huge surge in players. But the ability to get players and the ability to keep players is two different things.
shadowbane basically thought the same thing when CN begin flooding their servers they thought more $$$. eventually they let it get to the point where it destroyed servers. people just quit playing.
IM not saying this is happening right now but it will happen if eve continues to allow scamming.The scamming right now is only the beginning. it will get out of control. and when they ok enough this is turning into one big scamfest. they are going to have to do massive bans to get people to stop scamming which means massive $ lost. or they are going to have to let it continue which still means massive $ just a bit slower
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.04.04 20:42:00 -
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And did you ever wonder why there are more and more scammers ? They don't come out of the hole but they see that there is hella idiots that WILL fall for the scam so they go for it. You've seen 1 year of eve and you claim that there are more scams than ever ? Then i suggest researching this topic because years ago in escrow times it was a LOT worse. but hey, you've played whole 9 months.
And scamming does not get out of control, and does not need ccp sanctioning to get wiped out, simply requires a miracle - ppl must begin to pay attention and be smart (don't wanna get scammed liek you did [yes it is your fault, not ccps mechanic] then don't turn off buy confirmations - simple as that). If ppl will continue to give up theyr isk because they fail to pay attention, its not my problem.
Also you should research stable player base from year 2004 to current date, before you say soething in that matter.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.04 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril And did you ever wonder why there are more and more scammers ? They don't come out of the hole but they see that there is hella idiots that WILL fall for the scam so they go for it. You've seen 1 year of eve and you claim that there are more scams than ever ? Then i suggest researching this topic because years ago in escrow times it was a LOT worse. but hey, you've played whole 9 months.
And scamming does not get out of control, and does not need ccp sanctioning to get wiped out, simply requires a miracle - ppl must begin to pay attention and be smart (don't wanna get scammed liek you did [yes it is your fault, not ccps mechanic] then don't turn off buy confirmations - simple as that). If ppl will continue to give up theyr isk because they fail to pay attention, its not my problem.
Also you should research stable player base from year 2004 to current date, before you say soething in that matter.
Buy comfirmations werent off they were in fact on. And i was paying attention. everything appeared right on a second check.
And it was in fact due to the game mechanics the exploiting of game mechanics. its easy to get scammed in this game. You have to double and triple check everything and even then you may still fall into being scammed.
What needs to be done is you should be allow so many minutes to reverse a transaction or contract. like a 5 minute timer, in which you are allowed to return that exact item in that exact quanity and get the full price you paid back. you could use the item immediately. but the isk the seller got would be put in "escrow" for 5 minutes until it clears. This would take care of 95% of the scams. if the item is returned everythign is reversed( its added back to the sell order as it was before purchased) or the contract is reinstated as it was).
This would keep people from exploiting game mechanics to take advantage of more noobish people that dont understand game mechanics as well yet.. and glichs like mine. and people like Valandril would be forced to actually do something thats considered work for all their isk. Thats why your defending scamming isnt it valandril? afraid you cant afford those wtfpwnfits anymore if you cant scam people? might have to downgrade to t2 like normal players, lol.
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Valandril
Caldari Ex-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.04.04 21:07:00 -
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I'm rich already, rich enought to not have to work for any isk in eve. So yea, i'm definitly "defending my income source" (all i do is occasional daytrading but even for that i'm too lazy) and i don't protect "scammers", i protect smart ppl so they won't get nerfed by idiots. If it takes you 3-4 times to avoid beeing scammed - do it and you will be safe, simple.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2009.04.04 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Koyama Ise on 04/04/2009 22:03:10 Against the rules? Then you'd have CCP having to say this is this much isk otherwise then is it scamming or someone thought it is worth this much.
Scamming should be legit as long as there's no continues spam involved which floods the channel like a post As Fast As Possible and it's not breaking game mechanics.
What I would like though is the ability to ignore more that 80 contracters, because I don't want to feed the scammers in their non-scam contracts. --- O.P. is made of fail c/d.
Originally by: rValdez5987 I dont like your sig. It fills me with rage.
I want it removed. Reported.
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.05 01:08:00 -
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As in life, so in EVE: BUYER BEWARE.
So you bought a 1M item for 1B? Sucks to be you, but you have all the necessary skills (that is, a brain) to prevent these things from happening.
People can charge whatever they want. And they can misrepresent things however they want. If you don't like it, please quit the game and go play something else, because we really will be better off without you.
Protip: Next time, set the contract as YOU want it, if they have one outstanding. Send the other player a reverse contract, where you agree to give 1M ISK and you expect (insert item here) in return. If the player is legit, it will make no difference to them and they'll accept.
If not, you missed being scammed.
BRAINS, YOU HAS, PLZ 2 USE.
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.05 01:19:00 -
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What needs to be done is you should be allow so many minutes to reverse a transaction or contract. like a 5 minute timer, in which you are allowed to return that exact item in that exact quanity and get the full price you paid back. you could use the item immediately. but the isk the seller got would be put in "escrow" for 5 minutes until it clears.
This would only work if the item itself was also in escrow, and neither would become available until after the 5 minute window. Otherwise, what would happen if the item is resold/reprocessed/fitted/destroyed in space ?
I think this is a weak solution to a problem - the problem is lazy people - but it has some merit. However, it would also significantly slow down market trading, or people wanting to get modules to fit out ships quickly. It also adds additional server load (gotta track the timer of those transactions) which is rarely a good thing.
Most of the OP's comments seem to be "no wait, I really am smart and paid attention, and I still got scammed! Scamming must be evil!"
In reality, it just means you were not a smart or paying as much attention as the next guy, who didn't fall for that scam. If you think the "page might refresh" (sounds BS to me), then -wait longer- or -send a reverse contract-.
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