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ChemicalX
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Posted - 2009.04.03 16:37:00 -
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Hi,
Been struggling for a few days now to get my EVE client to run smoothly on my new box. Intel Core i7 920 CPU @ 2.67GHz on an Intel Mainboard with 6Gb DDR 3 Memory and 2 Nvidia GX260 892mb DDR 3 Screen cards. Hard drives are 2 1Tb SATA drives running raid 1 (Mirror).
My Screen cards are not in SLI mode, but rather 1 card runs my main 32" LCD Widescreen and the other runs two 19" LCD's.
My OS is Windows Vista 64 bit SP1... clean brand new install, latest DirectX, latest Screen card Drivers etc etc etc as well as all windows hotfixes. My EVE Client is also a brand new install, nothing, not even my profile from the old EVE.
My problem is that ever 5 odd seconds, the whole system will just lock up for a split second and then carry on. It's very short but very noticable. I've tried for days now to tweak the gfx settings in EVE but to no avail.
My previous system was a quadcore with 4gb ram and 2 Nvidia 9600 cards on Vista 32 Bit and every was fine. I've also installed another game just to test and it runs fine, my pc itself is also fine when not in eve.
If anyone knows of any reasons why the jerkiness occurs I'd be most appreciative since right now I don't know if it's the Machine or the OS that's not happy with my EVE. It's got to be a setting somewhere, I just don't know where somewhere is from where I'm standing
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digital0verdose
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.03 16:41:00 -
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ib4 "Vista: There's your problem"
We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.04.03 16:52:00 -
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Windows operating system do not have genuine multitasking. Especially as the IO activities basically block everything else, I would take a look at your sata controller and its drivers first...
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2009.04.03 16:58:00 -
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I had a problem like this. It turned out to be a mobo issue, and setting processor affinity to one core solved it. It's something that is really easy to try and doesn't require modifying your system.
Open task manager, right click eve process, and set affinity. /*----------------------------------------------*/ Linux pwnotron 2.6.23-gentoo-r8 #21 SMP Tue Feb 19 17:36:06 EST 2008 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux - |
Clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 17:24:00 -
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Why do you say Vista 64 + eve stuttering, you could have said Core i7 and Eve stuttering, anyway.
Here is an thought.
You mention that you have SATA running in RAID, would that be on the onboard intel SATA controller?, if so do you have a SATA dvd-rom? Is it on the same controller?
Your problem could be that your DVD-ROM drive does not support NCQ as a result of having the controllers in AHCI raid mode. Its easy to check, just disable the DVDROM drive in device manager, and see if eve still stutters.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.04.03 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: digital0verdose ib4 "Vista: There's your problem"
Vista is worthless. Why do people use it?
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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Sweaty Minge
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Posted - 2009.04.03 17:33:00 -
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I've never had a problem with Vista. To the OP: looks like you need to upgrade, some of that stuff looks dated.
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.03 17:35:00 -
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Make sure to Disable UAC, as it is know to cause problems with running multiple instances of Eve.
How to disable UAC
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.04.03 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sweaty Minge I've never had a problem with Vista. To the OP: looks like you need to upgrade, some of that stuff looks dated.
Microsoft and Intel is a marriage blessed in heaven and there is no shortage of suckers.
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Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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AncientLord
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Posted - 2009.04.03 17:36:00 -
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Delete vista and install winxp -> problem solved.
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Percy Soars
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Posted - 2009.04.03 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Sweaty Minge I've never had a problem with Vista. To the OP: looks like you need to upgrade, some of that stuff looks dated.
Microsoft and Intel is a marriage blessed in heaven and there is no shortage of suckers.
OH Internetz, you never fail
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave Make sure to Disable UAC, as it is know to cause problems with running multiple instances of Eve.
How to disable Vista's last line of defense against malware and viruses
fixed.
Seriously people, DON'T disable UAC. It is the closest Microsoft has ever gotten to separating normal user activities and super user/root/administrator activities.
The #1 reason why Windows is so insecure is because virtually every home user of Windows is either too lazy or too ignorant to properly secure their computer. And no, a (non-heuristic) virus scanner is NOT adequate protection. Virus scanners are powerless against polymorphic malware, or malware that it doesn't have a signature to look for. The main issue is that when you run a program as an administrator, you are essentially giving that program the freedom to do whatever it wants to your computer. It's like giving your house keys to a complete stranger.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin It's like giving your house keys to a complete stranger.
Worth it as long as he opens the door for you.
UAC is annoying as ****, no amount of security it provides is worth the hassle. ---------------------------
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 03/04/2009 18:43:54
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Taedrin It's like giving your house keys to a complete stranger.
Worth it as long as he opens the door for you.
UAC is annoying as ****, no amount of security it provides is worth the hassle.
This, And also, anyone who is smart enough to get vista to work is smart enough to avoid any real viruses.
To the OP; Go to graphic settings, make sure eve is using the right display adapter for what screen it is on. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain UAC is annoying as ****, no amount of security it provides is worth the hassle.
If UAC is annoying, then it's because of the programs you run. If properly designed to work with Vista, a program will never trigger UAC (well, unless it's a tinker-with-the-OS kind of program, and even then, it should only trigger UAC once). The problem is that, over the years, most Windows developers have grown complacent with the zero-security design of XP and picked up all kinds of bad habits.
Now that they're suddenly faced with programming for a limited-mode/semi-sandboxed OS, they're completely stumped like the ignorant bastards they are… (and the real LOL part is that this goes for many of MS' own developers).
In short: if you're being hassled by UAC, don't turn it off — contact the programmers and tell them they're incompetent and hassle them to upgrade their software. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Taedrin It's like giving your house keys to a complete stranger.
Worth it as long as he opens the door for you.
Except once you give him the house keys, you can no longer dictate how he uses your house keys. He may open the door for you. Or he may open the door for you, and then come back when you are gone and steal everything while you are away.
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UAC is annoying as ****, no amount of security it provides is worth the hassle.
The hassles involved are an indicator that the software you are using has a poor design. This is my other big gripe about Windows. All the software for windows has been programmed with the assumption that it is OK to do everything as an administrator. Why does a video game require write access to system files to run? Why does a 3d modeling program need to be able to delete other programs on the computer? Why does a word processor need to be able to insert polymorphic,reproductive code into every single executable file on the file system?
Another thing is that if you properly configured file permissions on your computer, the UAC prompts would be a non-issue.
Now granted, I'm not a huge fan of UAC myself. It is too easy to ignore, and doesn't accurately describe the action that is about to happen. Right now it is so vague - it just tells you that there is some sort of file system operation about to happen. Why can't it just give me a list of the files that are about to be written to?
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain UAC is annoying as ****, no amount of security it provides is worth the hassle.
If UAC is annoying, then it's because of the programs you run. If properly designed to work with Vista, a program will never trigger UAC (well, unless it's a tinker-with-the-OS kind of program, and even then, it should only trigger UAC once). The problem is that, over the years, most Windows developers have grown complacent with the zero-security design of XP and picked up all kinds of bad habits.
Now that they're suddenly faced with programming for a limited-mode/semi-sandboxed OS, they're completely stumped like the ignorant bastards they areą (and the real LOL part is that this goes for many of MS' own developers).
In short: if you're being hassled by UAC, don't turn it off ł contact the programmers and tell them they're incompetent and hassle them to upgrade their software.
You said that so much better than I did. Why do I even bother posting, sometimes?
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ChemicalX
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:13:00 -
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Thanks for all the feedback guys, Vista doesn't suck, it never has, it just has a high price ticket. As an OS it's much better than XP. I'm a developer, so I use Vista because it supports VS2008 so much better and I went to 64 Bit as I need more memory and VS2010 will be launching later this year so I wanted to have all my own issues sorted.
I'm not 100% sure what the problem is/was and if I can reproduce it... I checked all my graphics settings between my clients and just pushed them all right to the top on all settings and then set the display adapter to each screen as the clients are to be setup. Previously I never had to set the display adapters, but looks like I need to now. Also, previously I set my two side clients to much lower gfx in order to not lag out.
I guess with everything on max so that all cards run the same it somehow fixed itself up.
Thanks again for all the offers for assistance even if more than half were silly little fanboi's who just had to get their 2 cents in
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: digital0verdose ib4 "Vista: There's your problem"
Vista is worthless. Why do people use it?
Mainly because of the support for 4+ gb ram support, 64 bit support and DX10 I think. At least I do.
I am however looking forward for obtaining Windows 7 when it arrives. If all rumours are correct it will be a huge improvement.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/04/2009 19:16:32
Originally by: ChemicalX
Thanks again for all the offers for assistance even if more than half were silly little fanboi's who just had to get their 2 cents in
I used to like Windows and Visual Studio too, until I realized I liked Python and Linux better.
Python really has simplicity and beauty. Its available for Windows too. ---
Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
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ChemicalX
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/04/2009 19:16:32 Python really has simplicity and beauty. Its available for Windows too.
Lol, Python is a scripting language, just like PHP, Javascript, VBScript etc :)
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: EliteSlave Make sure to Disable UAC, as it is know to cause problems with running multiple instances of Eve.
How to disable Vista's last line of defense against malware and viruses
fixed.
Seriously people, DON'T disable UAC. It is the closest Microsoft has ever gotten to separating normal user activities and super user/root/administrator activities.
The #1 reason why Windows is so insecure is because virtually every home user of Windows is either too lazy or too ignorant to properly secure their computer. And no, a (non-heuristic) virus scanner is NOT adequate protection. Virus scanners are powerless against polymorphic malware, or malware that it doesn't have a signature to look for. The main issue is that when you run a program as an administrator, you are essentially giving that program the freedom to do whatever it wants to your computer. It's like giving your house keys to a complete stranger.
And guess what... 95% of all programs Throw UAC exceptions, Like Symantec End Point Protection, Steam..., Teamspeak... Ventrillo, Eve... Itunes.. Photoshop... Auto-Cad... Auto-Desk... Hulu... Firefox... IE8... IE8 in **** Mode makes it go beserk.
UAC throws an exception for ANY Change that is happening real time. UAC doesnt protect against anything, its a feature of like in a game you click "Exit to Windows" and then you get a pop-up of "Are you really sure you want to Exit the Game to Windows"
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Morberi
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: EliteSlave Make sure to Disable UAC, as it is know to cause problems with running multiple instances of Eve.
How to disable Vista's last line of defense against malware and viruses
fixed.
Seriously people, DON'T disable UAC. It is the closest Microsoft has ever gotten to separating normal user activities and super user/root/administrator activities.
The #1 reason why Windows is so insecure is because virtually every home user of Windows is either too lazy or too ignorant to properly secure their computer. And no, a (non-heuristic) virus scanner is NOT adequate protection. Virus scanners are powerless against polymorphic malware, or malware that it doesn't have a signature to look for. The main issue is that when you run a program as an administrator, you are essentially giving that program the freedom to do whatever it wants to your computer. It's like giving your house keys to a complete stranger.
And guess what... 95% of all programs Throw UAC exceptions, Like Symantec End Point Protection, Steam..., Teamspeak... Ventrillo, Eve... Itunes.. Photoshop... Auto-Cad... Auto-Desk... Hulu... Firefox... IE8... IE8 in **** Mode makes it go beserk.
UAC throws an exception for ANY Change that is happening real time. UAC doesnt protect against anything, its a feature of like in a game you click "Exit to Windows" and then you get a pop-up of "Are you really sure you want to Exit the Game to Windows"
WRONGO.
I use Vent, no need to activate UAC, I use Photoshop, doesn't need UAC, Firefox ditto, Eve Ditto, WHY THE (*^% ARE YOU USING SYMANTEC,etc.
The only programs that I ever get that require UAC is FOMM and FRAPS, or the odd time Evemon or Eve wants to update. My antivirus (Eset Nod32) updates itself without any UAC prompts what so ever.
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Kiviar
Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
I am however looking forward for obtaining Windows 7 when it arrives. If all rumours are correct it will be a huge improvement.
Unless it changes considerably from what is out now, Windows 7 is basically vista with an inferior UI.
Anyway, I run two eve clients on vista 64 with UAC on, and have zero problems. ---
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave And guess what... 95% of all programs Throw UAC exceptions, Like Symantec End Point Protection, Steam..., Teamspeak... Ventrillo, Eve... Itunes.. Photoshop... Auto-Cad... Auto-Desk... Hulu... Firefox... IE8... IE8 in **** Mode makes it go beserk.
That sounds like you're having a virus, or something else that fiddles with your programs at run-time (tbh, my first guess would be the Symantec crap since it's more or less exactly the same thing as a virus except maybe slightly less well-behaved).
My suggestion is that you get an actual anti-virus program, a Symantec-nuker and see what that does… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:07:00 -
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OK. First off, Vista 64 is fine. You just have to be intelligent and know what you're doing.
First. Make sure your powersupply is enough. 2 GX260's use a lot of power. Especially when you have multiple HDD's, high end CPU and so on. Go to the websites for each item, and find it's MAX power usage, total it up and make sure your powersupply is up to the challenge. And make SURE you use a good quality powersupply. Not a cheap one.
2nd. Make sure all drivers you use are the current ones, and they are for Vista64 Bit.
Remove the 2nd video card for a bit. Play eve. See if the stuttering continues. I a first gen AMD quad core, with only 4 gigs of ram, and I can run 5 accounts on one vid card fine either in windowed, or full screen.
If EVE runs fine with a single vid card, then put the 2nd back in and see if the same thing happens when one client is running.
If it does, take out both cards, and put the 2nd in the 1st slot, and reapeat.
3rd, if the vid cards make no change, then check your ram next, as it's easy to check. take all the ram out but one stick. Test again. If fine, then check each stick by it's self. If you find your stuttering happens with one stick, then it's the culprit most likely.
4th, remove your sound card. see if that is the culprit.
5th close down the widget bar. CLOSE it, don't just minimize it. Network lag can becaused by badly programed widgets.
6th Run some HDD check programs. make sure your HDD's arent' the culprit. Not normally when you're getting pauses ever 5 secs or so.
7th make sure you arn't downloading anything. PRON, Torrents, whatever. If others in the house use the same network connection, they connect directly to the ISP bypassing the router.
8th. This can be done anywhere in there. Run a burn in program to test the hardware. I do this after every upgrade to identify problems.
If after all this you are still getting the problem, my last resort is always a fresh format and reinstall of the OS. You can TRY downgradeing to a previous one, but in most cases the "OS problem" is just a driver incompatability.
Most likely caused by your sound card or video card. Most likely in your case it's a driver issue. Try contacting AMD/nVidia about your dual video card use and see if it's a common problem. Hit their forums and search for similar issues with others. Sometimes talking to other people to find similarities will help you find the problem.
If you're not technically inclined, go to your local computer repair center, and have them look into it.
DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR LOGIN INFO.
Setup a trial account under new details and let them use that to test eve.
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EliteSlave
Minmatar Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: EliteSlave And guess what... 95% of all programs Throw UAC exceptions, Like Symantec End Point Protection, Steam..., Teamspeak... Ventrillo, Eve... Itunes.. Photoshop... Auto-Cad... Auto-Desk... Hulu... Firefox... IE8... IE8 in **** Mode makes it go beserk.
That sounds like you're having a virus, or something else that fiddles with your programs at run-time (tbh, my first guess would be the Symantec crap since it's more or less exactly the same thing as a virus except maybe slightly less well-behaved).
My suggestion is that you get an actual anti-virus program, a Symantec-nuker and see what that doesą
lol SEP causes 0 problems. cept for the 3am update / scan while your in a system with 1900 people and get tackled :|
The problem is, That Vent / TS with a USB headset requires "Run as Administrator", and to get around doing this is by Disabling "UAC" what i like to call "Windows Nanny" that only double checks if you are sure you want to do something. doesnt actually protect you against anything.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Hariya on 03/04/2009 20:34:07
Originally by: ChemicalX
Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 03/04/2009 19:16:32 Python really has simplicity and beauty. Its available for Windows too.
Lol, Python is a scripting language, just like PHP, Javascript, VBScript etc :)
So? Seriously... My daily work gets billed at roughly 1300 EUR. Throwing in 50 000 eur worth more hardware is cheaper in the projects that I am involved with than having me to worry about my tools being constantly 3-5 times slower. I just know my algorithms and architectures well enough and only the sky is limit in the scalability. Python it is, if I feel like it. Or Ruby. What ever maximizes my efficiency.
Or, ksh shell scripts
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: EliteSlave lol SEP causes 0 problems.
Uh-huh… and yet it throws UAC exceptions… and you're getting exceptions on programs that are known to run just fine with Vista… and you're getting those exceptions while running a program from a company that's known for it's virus-like "security" software. Riiiiight. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2009.04.04 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cors OK. First off, Vista 64 is fine. You just have to be intelligent and know what you're doing.
Yeah, I have a 64 bit Vista laptop with a 9800M nvidia card and it's rock solid with Eve and most games in general.
Quote: 4th, remove your sound card. see if that is the culprit.
Actually turning off the sound or disabling the sound card should be the first thing you do. It's easy and sound cards can do weird things to your system. Although creative hasn't done anything new and spiffy in a while so their cards and drivers seem to have become more stable.
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