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Abortica Inbortaliss
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:22:00 -
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Anyone that thought it would be cool to have a station at a moon in wh space and just hang out with their buddy's and kill sleepers and work on all the logistics involved..
SORRY! Your week is over , Since the new patch release, CCP has made it so that ladar/mag/combat sites do not spawn in systems with stations in them..
Yay! after everything we have done and all those long nights anchoring and onlining, and cov op missions getting fuel thru dangerous pipelines, CCP listened to some new dev that insisted he didn't want wh space settled, so this was the resolve , hmmm..
This Forum post is for anyone experiencing this same outrage, CCP There must be different way then just taking away all the sites.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:25:00 -
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Proof or you're jumping to conclusions
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Tarkus Triskelion
Minmatar Supernault Systems
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:34:00 -
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Great more space for belts! :(
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Abortica Inbortaliss
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarkus Triskelion Great more space for belts! :(
Yep that's all that we have done for the last 2 weeks is mine the belts for something to do, to bad there in nothing exceptional about the grav sites
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Elle D
The Taco Stand
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Abortica Inbortaliss Anyone that thought it would be cool to have a station at a moon in wh space and just hang out with their buddy's and kill sleepers and work on all the logistics involved..
SORRY! Your week is over , Since the new patch release, CCP has made it so that ladar/mag/combat sites do not spawn in systems with stations in them..
Yay! after everything we have done and all those long nights anchoring and onlining, and cov op missions getting fuel thru dangerous pipelines, CCP listened to some new dev that insisted he didn't want wh space settled, so this was the resolve , hmmm..
This Forum post is for anyone experiencing this same outrage, CCP There must be different way then just taking away all the sites.
Damn you whine a lot.
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Xessej
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:54:00 -
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I know that things other than grav sites are spawning in occupied systems. However the rate is tiny. 1 mg site and 2 anomolies have spawned since we set up the station. luckily we had a large number of anomolies and a ladar and mag site in system when we set up.
Which wouldn't be so bad but we're not getting wormholes into other w space systems.
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Pwett
QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2009.04.03 19:58:00 -
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I'd like to see some proof (preferably bordered with blue lines) _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony QUANT is rebuilding, EVE-Mail me for recruitment info. Item Database |
Krishan13
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:00:00 -
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It'd probably help if you just reviewed the dev comments. They've stated clearly that this is intended. You're meant to roam W-space, not camp in it. If you do set up a POS, it's meant to be used as a staging point to raid connected w-systems, NOT to farm the one you put it up in.
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Xessej
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Xessej on 03/04/2009 20:14:19 Note my comment about not getting holes to w space. Can't do what we want to do if all we ever have is one hole to highsec and 10 grav sites.
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Crimsonjade
Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:14:00 -
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well 1st day we setup pos we had 2 ladar sites, few days later 2 radar sites. alot of gvar sites since last patch, so OP may be onto something, but needs alot more time before we can really judge the spawn time table in a wh
and YOU CAN setup a pos in a wh system and farm it. we are doing it, its not as fast as some people may like, but we arnt selling the stuff anyways
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Krishan13 It'd probably help if you just reviewed the dev comments. They've stated clearly that this is intended. You're meant to roam W-space, not camp in it. If you do set up a POS, it's meant to be used as a staging point to raid connected w-systems, NOT to farm the one you put it up in.
Meh, that's ok but now it's really beyond any concept of worth to spend so much time and money and then all you have is some mediocre belts (unless you go in level 5-6).
I mean, how do you turn having to setup and defend a POS in w-space XXX, going to w-space YYY, then it closes and you are in YYY (and full ships to empty). Only exit being now a 0.0 in the other side of the galaxy or another w-system leading to the unknown.
Sure, it's doable and all, but the simple effort / "bother with" => reward concept goes down to the drain.
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Gaius Aemilius
Wormhole-space Surveying and Exploitation
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Posted - 2009.04.03 20:30:00 -
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Well, first off, I'm in the "pics or it didn't happen" camp. We live in w-space, and we DO get ladar sites in our system, though not often.
I seriously doubt the devs didn't intend what we have now. They have said they didn't want the big 0.0 alliances dominating w-space. They never said they didn't want colonies. In fact I recall one of them mentioning it specifically, saying they wanted BOTH Santa Maria's AND Mayflowers out here.
I live in w-space, my colony lives here. We raid our neighbors. We harvest gas. We mine mins. We fight sleepers too. We also explore the hell out of our environment and roam the chains below the boundary layer trying to learn best how everything works. We even do industry and science down here. We don't need moon minerals to incentivize us, and we wouldn't care if our home system didn't spawn good sites either, there's ALWAYS another w-system next door, usually 3-5 of them if not more.
We are loving it.
If this isn't what the devs wanted I'd be very surprised indeed. What they built is so well suited to what Wessex does that I can't believe they didn't want us to try.
But even if they didnt, what the ****? C'mon folks. Man up and just do it. Why the hell should I care what anyone "intended". This is EVE, not your mama's playpen. If you can do it, and you want to do it, do it.
What CCP wants is so totally irrelevant to me I can not possibly laugh hard enough. They make the universe, that's their place. I set my goals, that's my place. If I try to tell them how to make their universe they would laugh at me, and rightly so. If they try to tell me my goals I'll tell them the same thing I tell anyone who tries to order me around. "Go take a really long walk, like for a few days, off a really short pier. But let me know first so I can chum the waters for you first."
If CCP is really bothered by me setting a colony up in w-space they are welcome to come down to Epsilon and tell me themselves. If my boys and gals don't shoot them out of space, and they make it to my POS, I'll listen to them and if they say "Pack it up" I'll pack it up. But it'll never happen.
Devs make the game rules. I'm just playing the game. If they don't want me down here let them change the game.
But I'll wager they'd be proud to see what Wessex has accomplished. W-space is just too cool for words, I can not believe they didn't think people would come live here.
I am sure they built w-space the way they did deliberately. And I bless them for it.
But if they didn't . .. . screw 'em. Wormholes ate my sig.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.04.03 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Aemilius C'mon folks. Man up and just do it. Why the hell should I care what anyone "intended". This is EVE, not your mama's playpen. If you can do it, and you want to do it, do it.
Right on brother!
My corp is living in w-space taking the "other" angle. We are entirely ship-based; a nomadic fleet. We've avoided setting up any sort of infrastructure, and we tend to move into a new w-space system every time a good wormhole connection opens.
Difficult? Yes. Fun? Hell yes! Do we give a damn about someone elses analysis of the "risk vs. reward"? Absolutely not. Do we ponder what the "devs intended"? Nope.. we're not exploiting so it must be intended.
Hats off to ya Gaius! There's a decent chance we'll see you out in the uncharted territories one of these days. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
Cord Cutter
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Posted - 2009.04.03 21:03:00 -
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I doubt you have spent to much time scanning your wh system, when you spend most of your time on the forums writing books, I think what AI is talking about is that since the 2nd patch there has been a NERF on all WH systems, causing null or little spawns of LADAR/MAG/RADAR/COMBAT that has made it really not as worth it as we once thought at the beginning, as if it wasn't difficult enough just keeping a POS alive in WH space, It is impossible to farm anyway from the start, so why the nerf.
AI, thanks for your help BTW
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Buster Gonads
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Posted - 2009.04.03 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cord Cutter I doubt you have spent to much time scanning your wh system, when you spend most of your time on the forums writing books, I think what AI is talking about is that since the 2nd patch there has been a NERF on all WH systems, causing null or little spawns of LADAR/MAG/RADAR/COMBAT that has made it really not as worth it as we once thought at the beginning, as if it wasn't difficult enough just keeping a POS alive in WH space, It is impossible to farm anyway from the start, so why the nerf.
AI, thanks for your help BTW
It may not even be a nerf. It's entirely plausible that there's a "quota" and that with many more people now exploring W space, that quota is used up much more quickly.
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Gaius Aemilius
Wormhole-space Surveying and Exploitation
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Posted - 2009.04.03 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cord Cutter I think what AI is talking about is that since the 2nd patch there has been a NERF on all WH systems, causing null or little spawns of LADAR/MAG/RADAR/COMBAT that has made it really not as worth it as we once thought at the beginning, as if it wasn't difficult enough just keeping a POS alive in WH space, It is impossible to farm anyway from the start, so why the nerf.
You misunderstand the target of my ire.
I do disagree w. AI, because we have seen non-grav sites spawn in our home system. But I also applaud him making it a topic of discussion. Doing so allows us to figure out the game better, and thus know better how to adapt to it. I merely claim to possess contradicting evidence.
My ire is aimed at the fairly prevalent meme that we are somehow obligated to care what the devs think. Their job is to make the game. Our job is to pay them if we want to play it. Also to play by the rules they make, but NOT to play by their stated or assumed desires.
I don't condone exploits, but if what you do in the game isn't an exploit then it isn't a dev's place to order you around. Interfering directly in the game like that is no different in the quality of the act than handing t2 BPOs to specific players and covering it up in the lottery. *VERY Pointed Look*
PS, hope you enjoyed the books, since you clearly know my style to be long and overly verbose. Sorry you seem to despise me . . . ok, that was a lie, the sorry part. Wormholes ate my sig.
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Gaius Aemilius
Wormhole-space Surveying and Exploitation
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Posted - 2009.04.03 22:50:00 -
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*grrrr*
I hate making a liar of myself.
I wanted to confirm I was right with the colony. So I logged in quick to check.
I think I lied to us all. They said that we've been pulling in gas, but that it's been from neighboring systems. We range a lot, we try not to do too much work in our own system.
So I think I was misrembering what we'd seen.
I don't think it's a really big deal though. We never don't have a connection to a neighboring system and we never mass one out, except deliberately. So for us I would say this isn't a really big deal. Wormholes ate my sig.
They said it was yummy. |
jst tstng
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Posted - 2009.04.04 00:13:00 -
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Lets assume Sleeper-space exploration sites are using the same mechanic exploration sites use in known-space.
As soon as a site gets cleared another spawns somewhere else.
Where it spawns is chance based and in known-space based on sec rating and region or maybe even pirate faction(multi region).
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Abortica Inbortaliss
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Posted - 2009.04.04 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Aemilius *grrrr*
I hate making a liar of myself.
I wanted to confirm I was right with the colony. So I logged in quick to check.
I think I lied to us all. They said that we've been pulling in gas, but that it's been from neighboring systems. We range a lot, we try not to do too much work in our own system.
So I think I was misrembering what we'd seen.
I don't think it's a really big deal though. We never don't have a connection to a neighboring system and we never mass one out, except deliberately. So for us I would say this isn't a really big deal.
Ok definetly want to applaud you in comming forward and not just disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreement like so many others :) , I am asking that everyone that has been living in a wh for the past few weeks come forward and just give us a general idea of what you are finding inside the system you have settled, Also if you could explain to CCP dev's the difficulty anyone would have in farming a wh system on the fact that it actually takes real time to scan systems and yes it can be logistically difficult sometimes to get things in and out, All I want is honest accounts. Thanks to all for your reply's and concerns, I wouldn't be so concerned if I hadn't anchored so much useful tech3 production equipment.. Thanks to all, Good or Bad, agreeful or disagreeing
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.04 01:58:00 -
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The w-space system I've been living in had several gas sites and one radar site when I moved in, well before the patch. Subsequent to the POS going up, two more radar sites and maybe one gas site spawned.
Since the patch, I haven't seen any spawns except grav sites. (Anomalies do still spawn, but I'm talking about cosmic signatures.) And I have been scanning down all the signatures at least once a day. (There's a chance somebody else found and cleared interesting spawns, though, because "my" system has continuous access to high sec.)
However, it hasn't been very long since the patch, in relationship to the amount of spawning events that have happened, so probability could still explain these results.
We KNOW that, prior to the patch, there wasn't anything like a hard-coded "nerf the spawns if there's a POS in system" rule. I consider it highly unlikely that such a rule was put in place. However, I'll begin to entertain such a notion if another week or two go by without any radar, mag, or ladar spawns.
Meanwhile, there are plenty of factors about the known spawning mechanism for exploration sites that might be making it "feel" like there was a nerf. It's really too soon to jump to that conclusion in my opinion.
Moreover, as ably explained by others in this thread, it's hardly the end of the world even if it's true. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.04 01:59:00 -
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We have had nothing but Gravimetric sites in our wormhole now for the past 4-5 days. We have even mass mined about 4 of the (8 or so) and it just respawns Grav sites with low end minerals.
This is a Class 3 system and so far for those 5 days we haven't had a wormhole lead outside of empire/0.0 so we can't go deeper from here anyway.
It completely sucks ass and will guarantee T3 cruisers will always remain in the billions of isk range for as long as it stays this way. |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.04.04 03:31:00 -
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Cleared out all the anomalies and mag/radar sites in the first week. After that have had a few gas sites come and go. Was pretty barren for about 2 weeks. Then yesterday had 1 anomaly reappear and 2 mag sites.
Respawns are slow. I don't really mind that. I do most of my farming in the class 3 Frontiers I connect to.
Taxman VII: Kingdom of Vlad
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Markus Reese
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.04 04:37:00 -
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I got a simple solution that would be cool... how about npc attacking the farmers? You know, like the sleepers farming the farmers? Camping outside their pos stations. What were the devs thinking anyways. If they didn't want people to farm, then why did they allow so much pos stuff into wormholes? What did they think people were going to do with them?
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Abortica Inbortaliss
The United Snakes
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Posted - 2009.04.04 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Abortica Inbortaliss on 04/04/2009 04:44:00
This is what my solarsystem map looks like for a long time now
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Elite Qin
Caldari APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2009.04.04 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cord Cutter I doubt you have spent to much time scanning your wh system, when you spend most of your time on the forums writing books, I think what AI is talking about is that since the 2nd patch there has been a NERF on all WH systems, causing null or little spawns of LADAR/MAG/RADAR/COMBAT that has made it really not as worth it as we once thought at the beginning, as if it wasn't difficult enough just keeping a POS alive in WH space, It is impossible to farm anyway from the start, so why the nerf.
AI, thanks for your help BTW
HAHAHA! I actually lol'd
We don't spend that much time scanning? We prolly put about 4 or 5 man hours a day scanning our system and the systems around us. I know for a fact that about 20 minutes ago we just cleared a mag site in our main system... the one with 3 or 4 POSs in it.
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.04 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Abortica Inbortaliss Since the new patch release, CCP has made it so that ladar/mag/combat sites do not spawn in systems with stations in them.
OK, I have now confirmed that this is NOT true. A Ladar site spawned in a POS system I'm watching, sometime in the last couple of hours. ------------------ Ironfleet.com |
Gallopez
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Posted - 2009.04.04 07:08:00 -
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CCP was lazy and used the exact same exploration mechanic as K-space. As time goes on sites tend to build up in W-space systems that are not being visited.
I do not feel that CCP has nerfed W-space systems to keep us from building POS's out here. They had an exploration spawn-despawn mechanic already so they just used it in W-space.
I have had a POS up since March 12. When I first moved in there was 25 sigs, 5 ladar, 2 radar, 1 mag and 8 anomalies. Within 3 days I had it all cleared. Since then I get a ladar once every 3 days or so.
I havent got any more mag or radar since. Then today I log on and start my daily scan to see what has spawned and despawned and I find 3 ladar and 2 mag. Jackpot, this is just the nature of the beast that is W-space POS ownership.
Each W-space system has its own rules for wormholes that spawn in it. Everyday my system has one WH that leads to high sec and one that leads to a class 4 system. And I mean everyday. The WH's are always the same number. The class 4 WH is always a 16 hour and 2,000,000,000 mass cap, 300,000,000 max one jump mass hole. The high sec one is the same except it lasts for 24 hours instead of 16.
I state this because you need to put up a POS in a system that has the correct daily WH's to allow you to venture one system over to find your anomalies, ladar, mag and radar sites. You will not be able to farm your own system without dying from boredom. If you set up shop in the wrong system you are going to have to move.
My daily joined class 4 is almost always plugged with stuff to do. I even had one with 3 mags and 4 radar once. about 10 percent of the time my adjoining class 4 has very little in it, this is because someone was already in that system in the last week or so.
There is no great mystery to the spawn cycle, there is no POS nerf, it is just the current exploration mechanic that can be a PITA if you dont know how to work it or you were unlucky and put up your POS in the wrong system.
By the way, the more people living in WH's the better the spawn rate will seem, but the less your sleeper loot will be worth. You decide which you like better.
I could be proven wrong about what I have stated, But I believe with all my heart and mind that I am right.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2009.04.04 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Abortica Inbortaliss CCP Nerfed WH Exploration
Originally by: Abortica Inbortaliss Since the new patch release, CCP has made it so that ladar/mag/combat sites do not spawn in systems with stations in them..
Yet another one who has no idea of what he is talking about. Besides how is "exploration" related to "systems with POS" (edited for correctness)? There is lot of money to be done by WH POS. You are just not smart enough to make it.
A decent troll, yet below average. 4/10.
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Abortica Inbortaliss
The United Snakes
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Posted - 2009.04.04 07:41:00 -
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Maybe I should edit the post to My Wh System, if you all claim you live in wh space and have cleared more than the original mag/ladar sites and more respawn then I must be just unlucky, spent last 2 weeks scanning, all I found was grav sites, This post wasn't intended to be a whine or a troll, the only way to get response is to lay claim and hope you are proved wrong.
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The Truckdriver
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.04 08:28:00 -
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I talk for a corp that lives in a class 6 WH, in that entire week we haven't run a single site in the system itself. Just cleared some belts that had 2 sleepers bs guarding it. The ore is great, big rocks with arkonor, bistot, crockite and even the dreaded morphite rocks. We refine those a pos and ship minerals to empire, a great bussines on its own.
We have also had some pvp opportunities, where people where doing encounters in connected neighbour wh's. We also did encounters in lowerclass connected wh's.
The route to empire itself can sometimes be a pain in the back, sometimes u need to scan out 3 or more wh's before find a viable way to high sec.
People saying WH's suck or they are getting to many gravimetric spawns aren't taking it seriously. You need to have a pos set up, look whats mineble and not only run the sites itself u gotta mine them, hack the sites and you will see your profits rise. And take every opportunity and most of all be dedicated.
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