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Johan March
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:53:00 -
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If the OP is still around, may I suggest buying a couple of plexes, selling them, buying a new hulk and then buy a destroyer. Then go take part in hulkageddon from the other side. Or if ganking isn't your thing, buy and fit a bunch of t1 frigs, head into losec and fight until you lose them all. If you end up hating pvp, then you can use what you've learned in keeping your hulks, orcas, and whatnot alive in hisec. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:02:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
Dude...it's pixels. You're no daisy...you're no daisy at all! |
Kaaeliaa
Frikt Ikke
14
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:11:00 -
[183] - Quote
So long, OP.
The rest of us miners with half a brain will carry on without you, I'm sure.
Seriously, how hard is it to fit a tank, or, GASP, do something else during Hulkageddon? I hate this event with every fiber of my being and the game mechanics that make it possible but I know better than to undock in a mining barge unless I'm 100% sure no one else is around. Sheesh. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:13:00 -
[184] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote:Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded. Dude...it's pixels.
If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
379
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:40:00 -
[185] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? |
Ketov Aktar
Grey Wolff Valhalla demolition and industrial
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:16:00 -
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This IS a sandbox Beware of the Cat Turds!! Just sayin....
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Kassandra Thiesant
Plastic Knives
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:22:00 -
[187] - Quote
I didn't know ships could be blown up in this game, what in the hell? |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:12:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss?
I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
379
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:16:00 -
[189] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:29:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite.
Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. |
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:34:00 -
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Remember kids, tanking your ships makes you safe because Hulkageddon is limited to groups of 2 Catalysts.
Total Damage Taken: 19,722 Involved parties: 9
Right?
Total Damage Taken: 55,143
If you have a lot of HP, you're totally safe and won't be ganked.
Total Damage Taken: 62,199
Nobody is going after high-HP targets because it's simply not worth the trouble.
Total Damage Taken: 59,782
So remember kids, fit those expensive T2 tank modules. You won't become a juicy killmail. I promise. Someone in GoonSwarm said so.
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Goran Konjich
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:36:00 -
[192] - Quote
what i liked in this thread dr;ntl is that someone said "pixels" <= great ...
,and what i didn't like is why no one of experienced players didn't give a reasonable and viable solution how to defend your hulk from 4-5 gankers ... i know there are couple of methods but why not hear those couple ?
thx
ETA: oh yes ... you can fly covetors and retrievers they are totally safe in hulkageddon |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:40:00 -
[193] - Quote
Goran Konjich wrote:what i liked in this thread dr;ntl is that someone said "pixels" <= great ...
,and what i didn't like is why no one of experienced player didn't give a reasonable and viable solution how to defend your hulk for 4-5 gankers ... i know there are couple of methods but why not hear those couple ?
thx
ETA: oh yes ... you can fly covetors and retrievers they are totally safe in hulkageddon
There really is no safe method to defend your hulk. You could use logistical support but they would just bring more friends to defeat it. Gankbears are very determined to grief and collect tears. People say to stay aligned and moving, well that sounds like a pita to me. I can't imagine it to be easy to mine while moving. CCP needs to counter this grief mechanic, so many options available to them and yet they do nothing but pander to botttom feeders. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
353
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:51:00 -
[194] - Quote
Those are not suicides though. So what's your point? The first one is the other not. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy African |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
39
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:59:00 -
[195] - Quote
Jeremy Firewind wrote:Hey,
I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull. Sorry, but this makes me really sad. It put me out of business for good, that was my last money. Your cool event just cost CCP a subscriber.
Yes tears are delightful, yadda, yadda, no stuff is to be had, because it all exploded.
I'll tell ya what. I will give you 300 million isk if you agree to a very graphic and dirty roleplay in private chat with me. This may include various humiliating things that not even Brazilian models with relations with other species would be inclined to perform but for me it is worth every isk.
If not well then I'm sorry you were too stupid to mine anyways. As a matter of fact actually no I've changed my mind. Humiliating you would be like humiliating Hellen Keller except she could actually groan out a proper Hulk fitting if she had to.
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:03:00 -
[196] - Quote
Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage.
Capsuleers need to combat eco-terrorism on all levels. There's nothing worse than warping into a belt to enjoy the beautiful serenity of space to find it littered with Giant Secure Containers named: all manner of vile and profane things. Even worse when they are named: 1122,2233,3344 because you know these rock hungry mongrels are going from belt to belt in coordinated effort to strip mine that entire region. The once majestic asteroids of that pristine pocket reduced to rubble and ashes.
We will beat our plowshares into swords and fight to the very last Tornado! You're no daisy...you're no daisy at all! |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
39
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:08:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:If it is just pixels then why do the gankbears shed so many tears at the thought of hulks getting a decent tank. Waaahhh, I don't want to pvp, I am too much a coward for that, I want to gank mining ships exploiting the fact that they cannot defend themselves and their fleetmates cannot shoot first, Waaahhhh. Cowards the lot of you. Well then, why don't you take up pvp yourself and show us who's boss? I don't mine so if you want to try to gank one of my characters, bring lots of friends. I have done alot of pvp in the past with my oldest character dating to June, 2003, but now I prefer exploration, wormholes, incursions and lvl 4 and 5s. But I am not afraid of bloated bigmouths like you. I just think people who target mining vessels are bottom feeders who lack courage. Capsuleers need to combat eco-terrorism on all levels. There's nothing worse than warping into a belt to enjoy the beautiful serenity of space to find it littered with Giant Secure Containers named: all manner of vile and profane things. Even worse when they are named: 1122,2233,3344 because you know these rock hungry mongrels are going from belt to belt in coordinated effort to strip mine that entire region. The once majestic asteroids of that pristine pocket reduced to rubble and ashes. We will beat our plowshares into swords and fight to the very last Tornado!
You know you can turn that sh&t off in your overview? Sigh....
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Cpt Roghie
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:10:00 -
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Bye! Why?
Because I can.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
111
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:29:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:Dodixie MarketSlave wrote:Seriusly, I dont want to look harsh of something like that, but everybody knows and you knew before you sing up that EVE is a hardcore game. People plays eve because they can **** other people, PvP and there is no secure area. I mean High sec is highly situational... To sum up part of the EvE sucess as a game is because of it's ruthless nature, other way people would be playing softcore mmo's like WoW and etc. Yes but hardcore does also mean in my book that a certain rewarding situation (getting a kill, getting the lewt, getting the salvage) needs to come at a risk. These "ruthless" guys you are referring to are just the 12th grader you'd expect extorting the lunch money from a third grader.... No risk, all reward. Come on, is that so hard to see. These htfu yellers are the real carebears. Nothing hardcore here.
You have it all backwards nubcake. The gankers all have risk with no promise of reward. The ship they use is guarenteed to blow up. There is no promise of loot that will drop nor tears to be collected. Plus a loss of security rating which brings travel restrictions whether they succeed or not.
The miner on the other hand is guarenteed to turn a profit if he goes mining. Where is the risk? The gankers, but only if they find him. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:34:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Those are not suicides though. So what's your point? The first one is the other not. Not empty quoting. |
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CirJohn
The Flying Tigers Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:39:00 -
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Nummers....noob tears.
I find it especially awesome that this guy thinks he had a hulk tanked. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
380
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:54:00 -
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Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. One thing I'd like to state for the record is that most gankers don't use alts to post on the forums. On top of that, many will flat-out tell you who their primary characters are. Using this knowledge, you (not specifically you, but the people who feel aggrieved by the gankers in general) should be able to strike back at your attackers. The problem is that the grand majority won't take the initiative to do so, even though going after mains should be much more harmful to the gankers than going after their dedicated gank alts. |
Sutskop
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
67
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: So I'm mining away in my Osprey and THIS happened:
2010.04.22 15:19:00 [...] Ship: Hurricane
[...] 2010.04.22 15:30:00 [...] Ship: Broadsword
You were obviously canflipped, not ganked. I hope you DID learn that from your experience back then. Agreeing with the idea tho that mining alone is a tiny fraction of what EVE is about.
OP: That's why it is possible to create a noob character (or three) and totally wreck your shiny Hulk. Some people mine, some people shoot. I won't even say "HTFU". Just learn from it. Why did it happen, and how can you avoid it. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:21:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Bunnie Hop wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:I didn't say I want to gank one of your characters. I just said that you should go and kill the people you perceive are doing wrong, especially since they're cowards, and you're not. Otherwise, claiming that they don't want to pvp because they're cowards just makes you a hypocrite. Ok, well sorry if I inferred something you didn't imply. Well the problem with gankers is that you can't pvp them. You can't do anything to them in advance, thats why they are cowards. They attack only ships who can't do anything but die. If they became killable to your fleet for target locking a member, that would be at least something. They do not want to pvp, they want to grief. Even if they got a week cooldown aggro time in empire space for ganking to make them killable by anyone so we could hunt them, I would enjoy that immensely. One thing I'd like to state for the record is that most gankers don't use alts to post on the forums. On top of that, many will flat-out tell you who their primary characters are. Using this knowledge, you (not specifically you, but the people who feel aggrieved by the gankers in general) should be able to strike back at your attackers. The problem is that the grand majority won't take the initiative to do so, even though going after mains should be much more harmful to the gankers than going after their dedicated gank alts.
Well I have never been ganked in high sec, I post because I think what happens to miners is unacceptable. But even knowing who the gankers are, there is not much you can do about it with current mechanics. You can't kill them as they are about to gank, if you fire first you get dusted by concord, if you hunt them after their aggression timer is gone, you get dusted by concord. They hide behind mechanics to grief, not to pvp. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
380
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:31:00 -
[205] - Quote
Okay, but like I said in my previous post, why not go after their mains? You can wardec them, hire mercenaries, or even gank them yourself. |
Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
76
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:40:00 -
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Jeremy Firewind wrote:I find it totally untolarable, that 3 1 mill Isk ships can easily gank my tanked 300mill hull..
The real crime here is that it took 3 destroyers to gank you.
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Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:45:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Okay, but like I said in my previous post, why not go after their mains? You can wardec them, hire mercenaries, or even gank them yourself.
I haven't been in that situation so will not argue that point. I can only argue in the abstract as I think the mechanics are one sided and the psuedo pvp gankbears are pathetic. If I did fly a hulk and got ganked, you can bet there would be retribution,(but honestly I would feel naked in a mining barge). But we have alot of accounts and alot of friends, which alot of miners don't, so war decs are not something I think most could undertake. Mercs would be the only viable option for most miners I guess. But that just adds more cost to the needless loss. |
Jack Ironfist
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:47:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Okay, but like I said in my previous post, why not go after their mains? You can wardec them, hire mercenaries, or even gank them yourself.
With hulkageddon I'm torn between the culling of the stupid and laughing at the false space bravado on display.
In respect to those losing hulks, looking at the vast majority of the fits. Its little wonder that people have been losing hulks, in some cases they actually deserve to lose them. It honestly isn't very hard to take precautions and if you're set on taking the risk and mining somewhere without protection then you should be fitting to reflect that. Not throwing caution to the wind and going for max yield.
But for the gankers, while it is culling the stupid let's not pretend that it is very carebearish to attack targets that you can't be preemptively prevented from killing in a pvp sense.
I agree with culling the stupid but let's not pretend that the hulk ganking is the pinnacle of skill and PVP awesomeness. Its hitting targets that can't hit back before or after an attack while relying on concord for protection to gank .
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Wuxi Wuxilla
Wuxi Corporation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:52:00 -
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Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.
Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.
An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:53:00 -
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Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:Woah, someone ganked an untanked Orca with so many Tornados that it isn't even remotely cost-effective.
Add a DCII and it jumps from 80k EHP to 180k EHP.
An Orca without a DCII is like a Tengu with 4 BCUs and 6 Target Painters - Just begging to die
Yeah I agree with that, the Orca can at least fit enough tank to survive all but the most determined gank squad. Shame the Hulk can't say the same. |
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