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Ilriac LS
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Posted - 2004.12.27 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cyrus XII Wow... this is kind of neat... How about 150mm Rails in place of the blasters? This give you better range, less pg usage, greater damage multiplier, greater ROF, less energy cost, but a slower tracking. I'm interested how a good named 150mm would do in place of these light neuts. Just a thought. Someone might want to test it out.
150mm Rail & medium beam laser get quite the same range (around 1km diff with iron against radio). The true power of the 150mm rail is his power cost (1/3 of beam laser) and less powergrid used with each gun. What makes me hate 150 mm is their 40 bullets pack.... with his higher ROF.. you need to recharge after each ship (10 s lost each time) => rahhhhh The range switching with 150mm is useless too, except for iron => antimatter. With laser, i can use 3 set at least.
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Ilriac LS
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Posted - 2004.12.27 10:53:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Cyrus XII Wow... this is kind of neat... How about 150mm Rails in place of the blasters? This give you better range, less pg usage, greater damage multiplier, greater ROF, less energy cost, but a slower tracking. I'm interested how a good named 150mm would do in place of these light neuts. Just a thought. Someone might want to test it out.
150mm Rail & medium beam laser get quite the same range (around 1km diff with iron against radio). The true power of the 150mm rail is his power cost (1/3 of beam laser) and less powergrid used with each gun. What makes me hate 150 mm is their 40 bullets pack.... with his higher ROF.. you need to recharge after each ship (10 s lost each time) => rahhhhh The range switching with 150mm is useless too, except for iron => antimatter. With laser, i can use 3 set at least.
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Ilriac LS
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Posted - 2004.12.27 10:53:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Cyrus XII Wow... this is kind of neat... How about 150mm Rails in place of the blasters? This give you better range, less pg usage, greater damage multiplier, greater ROF, less energy cost, but a slower tracking. I'm interested how a good named 150mm would do in place of these light neuts. Just a thought. Someone might want to test it out.
150mm Rail & medium beam laser get quite the same range (around 1km diff with iron against radio). The true power of the 150mm rail is his power cost (1/3 of beam laser) and less powergrid used with each gun. What makes me hate 150 mm is their 40 bullets pack.... with his higher ROF.. you need to recharge after each ship (10 s lost each time) => rahhhhh The range switching with 150mm is useless too, except for iron => antimatter. With laser, i can use 3 set at least.
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:54:00 -
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I used to use the 1600 plate myself but I tend to use the hardenrs now instead. 1600 plates dont give you anything exctra in the long terms while the hardners might let you live for longerwhile doing harder lvl 3 missions etc. And i use the heavy elcetrons aswell. The tracking is good and the damage bonus rox _____________________________________________
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:54:00 -
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I used to use the 1600 plate myself but I tend to use the hardenrs now instead. 1600 plates dont give you anything exctra in the long terms while the hardners might let you live for longerwhile doing harder lvl 3 missions etc. And i use the heavy elcetrons aswell. The tracking is good and the damage bonus rox _____________________________________________
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MrRookie
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Posted - 2004.12.27 11:54:00 -
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I used to use the 1600 plate myself but I tend to use the hardenrs now instead. 1600 plates dont give you anything exctra in the long terms while the hardners might let you live for longerwhile doing harder lvl 3 missions etc. And i use the heavy elcetrons aswell. The tracking is good and the damage bonus rox _____________________________________________
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Lowa
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Posted - 2004.12.27 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Panagiot Can a blastrax hit a BS? In theory i think yes. While 99% of the BS have setup for long range if we fall (we do) under the fall off they miss like no tomorrow. But what we need to be effective? Do we have chances or better move to BS?
Ta
Yes it can. Sort of anyway. If the battle ship has longrange weapons you can take it but its not easy and you will have to pray you get lucky. Luck in this case means:
BS has no heavy NOS/Neutralizer BS has no heavy drones BS is not tanked to hell and back
If it got NOS/Neut it will eat your cap untill your dead in the water If it got Heavy Drones they will eat on you just as much as your eat on the BS and thats no fun. If the BS is tanked properly (armor or shield) you will most likely work until your cap is dry or ammo is low.
I did attack a Gankageddon the other day and got him below half armor before he sucked me dry and the drones had their way with me. (The bastard did have a scrambler on as well so it was just a waiting game )
Conclusions: Possible but not likely if you are on your own.
Regards, LOWA
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Lowa
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Posted - 2004.12.27 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Panagiot Can a blastrax hit a BS? In theory i think yes. While 99% of the BS have setup for long range if we fall (we do) under the fall off they miss like no tomorrow. But what we need to be effective? Do we have chances or better move to BS?
Ta
Yes it can. Sort of anyway. If the battle ship has longrange weapons you can take it but its not easy and you will have to pray you get lucky. Luck in this case means:
BS has no heavy NOS/Neutralizer BS has no heavy drones BS is not tanked to hell and back
If it got NOS/Neut it will eat your cap untill your dead in the water If it got Heavy Drones they will eat on you just as much as your eat on the BS and thats no fun. If the BS is tanked properly (armor or shield) you will most likely work until your cap is dry or ammo is low.
I did attack a Gankageddon the other day and got him below half armor before he sucked me dry and the drones had their way with me. (The bastard did have a scrambler on as well so it was just a waiting game )
Conclusions: Possible but not likely if you are on your own.
Regards, LOWA
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Lowa
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Posted - 2004.12.27 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Panagiot Can a blastrax hit a BS? In theory i think yes. While 99% of the BS have setup for long range if we fall (we do) under the fall off they miss like no tomorrow. But what we need to be effective? Do we have chances or better move to BS?
Ta
Yes it can. Sort of anyway. If the battle ship has longrange weapons you can take it but its not easy and you will have to pray you get lucky. Luck in this case means:
BS has no heavy NOS/Neutralizer BS has no heavy drones BS is not tanked to hell and back
If it got NOS/Neut it will eat your cap untill your dead in the water If it got Heavy Drones they will eat on you just as much as your eat on the BS and thats no fun. If the BS is tanked properly (armor or shield) you will most likely work until your cap is dry or ammo is low.
I did attack a Gankageddon the other day and got him below half armor before he sucked me dry and the drones had their way with me. (The bastard did have a scrambler on as well so it was just a waiting game )
Conclusions: Possible but not likely if you are on your own.
Regards, LOWA
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Charlie Kane
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Posted - 2004.12.29 03:58:00 -
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Two questions.
What about ammo? With the 5 x Light Neutron Blasters do all of use antimatter charge?
Now for a pvp setup with this current setup listed below what should I take out and put in? I think just take out the Web and add in a Warp Scrambler would be good enough right?
H) 5x Light Neutron Blasters M) 1x 10MN Microwarpdrive I M) 1x Medium Capacitor Battery I M) 1x Stasis Web L) 1x Medium Armor Repairer I L) 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plating L) 1x Capacitor Power Relay I L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I L) 1x Reactor Control Unit I D) Mix of drones.
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Charlie Kane
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Posted - 2004.12.29 03:58:00 -
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Two questions.
What about ammo? With the 5 x Light Neutron Blasters do all of use antimatter charge?
Now for a pvp setup with this current setup listed below what should I take out and put in? I think just take out the Web and add in a Warp Scrambler would be good enough right?
H) 5x Light Neutron Blasters M) 1x 10MN Microwarpdrive I M) 1x Medium Capacitor Battery I M) 1x Stasis Web L) 1x Medium Armor Repairer I L) 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plating L) 1x Capacitor Power Relay I L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I L) 1x Reactor Control Unit I D) Mix of drones.
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Charlie Kane
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Posted - 2004.12.29 03:58:00 -
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Two questions.
What about ammo? With the 5 x Light Neutron Blasters do all of use antimatter charge?
Now for a pvp setup with this current setup listed below what should I take out and put in? I think just take out the Web and add in a Warp Scrambler would be good enough right?
H) 5x Light Neutron Blasters M) 1x 10MN Microwarpdrive I M) 1x Medium Capacitor Battery I M) 1x Stasis Web L) 1x Medium Armor Repairer I L) 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plating L) 1x Capacitor Power Relay I L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I L) 1x Reactor Control Unit I D) Mix of drones.
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Bazman
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Posted - 2004.12.29 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Charlie Kane Two questions.
What about ammo? With the 5 x Light Neutron Blasters do all of use antimatter charge?
Now for a pvp setup with this current setup listed below what should I take out and put in? I think just take out the Web and add in a Warp Scrambler would be good enough right?
H) 5x Light Neutron Blasters M) 1x 10MN Microwarpdrive I M) 1x Medium Capacitor Battery I M) 1x Stasis Web L) 1x Medium Armor Repairer I L) 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plating L) 1x Capacitor Power Relay I L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I L) 1x Reactor Control Unit I D) Mix of drones.
The effective range of blasters is so short that you may as well use antimatter ammo, blasters with iron? mwaha.
I've gotten myself a thorax and its much more fun to fly than the Caldari ships after being a missle hog since i started :P I tried a variation of the above setups as well
H - 5 x Light Neutron Blasters M - 10mn MWD, Webifier and Medium Cap Booster (with 100 charge boosts atm, nothing better where I am atm) L - Polarised I-a Med Repairer, 2 x RCU I, Energised Adaptive Nano Membrane (15% resists), 1600mm Steel plates
Due to my skills atm, I can't use RCUII's, by the time I can I can remove the 2 RCU I's and fit an RCU II + whatever other modules I can think of (Perhaps a PDU, or a cap relay)
Awesome ship and awesome thread
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Bazman
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Posted - 2004.12.29 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Charlie Kane Two questions.
What about ammo? With the 5 x Light Neutron Blasters do all of use antimatter charge?
Now for a pvp setup with this current setup listed below what should I take out and put in? I think just take out the Web and add in a Warp Scrambler would be good enough right?
H) 5x Light Neutron Blasters M) 1x 10MN Microwarpdrive I M) 1x Medium Capacitor Battery I M) 1x Stasis Web L) 1x Medium Armor Repairer I L) 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plating L) 1x Capacitor Power Relay I L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I L) 1x Reactor Control Unit I D) Mix of drones.
The effective range of blasters is so short that you may as well use antimatter ammo, blasters with iron? mwaha.
I've gotten myself a thorax and its much more fun to fly than the Caldari ships after being a missle hog since i started :P I tried a variation of the above setups as well
H - 5 x Light Neutron Blasters M - 10mn MWD, Webifier and Medium Cap Booster (with 100 charge boosts atm, nothing better where I am atm) L - Polarised I-a Med Repairer, 2 x RCU I, Energised Adaptive Nano Membrane (15% resists), 1600mm Steel plates
Due to my skills atm, I can't use RCUII's, by the time I can I can remove the 2 RCU I's and fit an RCU II + whatever other modules I can think of (Perhaps a PDU, or a cap relay)
Awesome ship and awesome thread
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Bazman
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Posted - 2004.12.29 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Charlie Kane Two questions.
What about ammo? With the 5 x Light Neutron Blasters do all of use antimatter charge?
Now for a pvp setup with this current setup listed below what should I take out and put in? I think just take out the Web and add in a Warp Scrambler would be good enough right?
H) 5x Light Neutron Blasters M) 1x 10MN Microwarpdrive I M) 1x Medium Capacitor Battery I M) 1x Stasis Web L) 1x Medium Armor Repairer I L) 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plating L) 1x Capacitor Power Relay I L) 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I L) 1x Reactor Control Unit I D) Mix of drones.
The effective range of blasters is so short that you may as well use antimatter ammo, blasters with iron? mwaha.
I've gotten myself a thorax and its much more fun to fly than the Caldari ships after being a missle hog since i started :P I tried a variation of the above setups as well
H - 5 x Light Neutron Blasters M - 10mn MWD, Webifier and Medium Cap Booster (with 100 charge boosts atm, nothing better where I am atm) L - Polarised I-a Med Repairer, 2 x RCU I, Energised Adaptive Nano Membrane (15% resists), 1600mm Steel plates
Due to my skills atm, I can't use RCUII's, by the time I can I can remove the 2 RCU I's and fit an RCU II + whatever other modules I can think of (Perhaps a PDU, or a cap relay)
Awesome ship and awesome thread
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Charlie Kane
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Posted - 2004.12.29 10:14:00 -
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One other question I forgot to ask. The Special Ability for the Rax is "5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level" Yet with the setup I listed the 5x Light Neutron Blasters does are small Hybrid turrets. So in other words this bonus does nothing for me correct?
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Charlie Kane
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Posted - 2004.12.29 10:14:00 -
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One other question I forgot to ask. The Special Ability for the Rax is "5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level" Yet with the setup I listed the 5x Light Neutron Blasters does are small Hybrid turrets. So in other words this bonus does nothing for me correct?
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Charlie Kane
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Posted - 2004.12.29 10:14:00 -
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One other question I forgot to ask. The Special Ability for the Rax is "5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level" Yet with the setup I listed the 5x Light Neutron Blasters does are small Hybrid turrets. So in other words this bonus does nothing for me correct?
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Lowa
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Posted - 2004.12.29 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Charlie Kane One other question I forgot to ask. The Special Ability for the Rax is "5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level" Yet with the setup I listed the 5x Light Neutron Blasters does are small Hybrid turrets. So in other words this bonus does nothing for me correct?
Correct, the reason for the use of small guns is to be able to fit the rest of the goodies. You could go for mediums but then you can forget the 1600mm plates and such. The damage output of small t2 blasters with damage and tracking mods are enough. Trust me!
I havent fought a Rax with Medium blasters using my setup but I believe that I would win. Hmm...must try that.
Regards, LOWA
Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby! |
Lowa
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Posted - 2004.12.29 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Charlie Kane One other question I forgot to ask. The Special Ability for the Rax is "5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level" Yet with the setup I listed the 5x Light Neutron Blasters does are small Hybrid turrets. So in other words this bonus does nothing for me correct?
Correct, the reason for the use of small guns is to be able to fit the rest of the goodies. You could go for mediums but then you can forget the 1600mm plates and such. The damage output of small t2 blasters with damage and tracking mods are enough. Trust me!
I havent fought a Rax with Medium blasters using my setup but I believe that I would win. Hmm...must try that.
Regards, LOWA
Oh! Yeah! Huh! MC - Going funky all over your clone baby! |
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Lowa
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Posted - 2004.12.29 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Charlie Kane One other question I forgot to ask. The Special Ability for the Rax is "5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level" Yet with the setup I listed the 5x Light Neutron Blasters does are small Hybrid turrets. So in other words this bonus does nothing for me correct?
Correct, the reason for the use of small guns is to be able to fit the rest of the goodies. You could go for mediums but then you can forget the 1600mm plates and such. The damage output of small t2 blasters with damage and tracking mods are enough. Trust me!
I havent fought a Rax with Medium blasters using my setup but I believe that I would win. Hmm...must try that.
Regards, LOWA
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GuruJ
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Posted - 2005.11.19 12:15:00 -
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My bretheren, nullfirst-(if you don't have your 8 hvy drones yet, stop whatever your training and get them!)
This may **** you off and challenge your notion of right & wrong. So to start, blasters are only good in tech 2 and even then are not as good as tech 2 rails. (you will read on for supporting details)
Next, The blaster rax is good but unbalanced. All offense, good for killing newbs and lvl 2 low lvl 3 missions. My "Shiva Rax" setup could easily take any of these blaster set ups in quick time. You see, I can fit everything needed to tank an NPC Battleship and allow my 5 rails & 8 drones to wear it down. Never going below .5 Armor!
Follow the middle path - Find Balance.
Missions first:
highs: 5x 150mm Tech 2 rails w/ Antimatter S mids: 1x F-b10 or tech 2 cap recharger. (Barton's are cheap and almost as good) 1x Langour Web Stasis (any will do)(can switch out for cap recharger) 1x Tech 2 10mn AB lows: 1x 1600mm Tungsten plate 2x Armor Hardener (specialized toward whatever damage the bad guy is doing, if they do all types the fit explosive & thermal) 1x Tech 2 Med Armor Rpr (gotta get tech 2 on this just gotta!) 1x this is your choice, I suggest a Flux damage\ROF mod or a Power Diagnostic Tech 2.
With this setup I can tank a BS for minutes and keep all 5 guns shooting, AB on, hardeners and rpr, ALL ON! The rails at 8-12 k do some great damage. I average about 80 damage per shot, times 5 guns- 400 in one volley. 3 volleys every 10 secs= 1200 damage in 10 seconds (low estimate, every couple of volleys you hit for 140-180)not including the 8 WASP drones that you must have!. I kill lvl 3 frigs with 1 volley. Small Rails are rumored to not have the damage of blasters, but my ROF is 2.8 and damage modifier is 5.2 with 1 damage mod (use more mods to get more damage). Thats better then a blaster for less energy. I got jumped and killed 2 Harpys (and 1 pod the other got away) with this set up in 0.0. (the 8 wasps are key!)
The second set up is a NosRax for PVP. The idea is you get close to them turn on the nos and let your drones do the work. The other ship will try to fight for a minute then realize he has nothing online. That is enough time to kill him before he can warp out.
highs: 5x small Nos (named is always better) mids: 1x Y-S80 MWD (gotta have this or tech 2 to fit it, cheaper wont) 2x best cap you can get (Tech 2 is best then F-b10 or Bartons) Lows: 1x 1600mm Tungsten 2x Armor Hardener (specialized toward whatever damage the bad guy is doing, if they do all types the fit explosive & thermal) 1x Med tech 2 rpr 2x PDS II
The idea is to MWD up to him turn it of...fast, lock him,& release drones, and when locked, nos and set drones to atack. you shouldn't need your MWD again. If you plan it right you can have a stealth ship or scout allow you to warp in on top of them. With this you can still tank and your drones will make quick work!
Blessings, GuruJ Gravitech Shipyard
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.11.19 12:23:00 -
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Just because I've always wanted to say this...
...Necromancy is bad, mmkay? -Wrayeth
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