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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:18:00 -
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If youre putting up a POS in high sec do you put guns on it? IVE always heard its just stupid not to put weapons on them/ He's saying
Quote: i fly around too look at them i havent seen ONE in highsec with defences of any kind i mean if you want just pic random moons and go around and get ideas POSs dont cost much unless your makeing a large with all the SOV stuff it cost more to buy and fit a hulk if you dont put defenses on a low/nullsec pos then yea your asking for it to get blown up nobody can shoot a highsec pos unless were at war then they would have to know we have one and then they would have to find it have MANY combat players that are very very patient hell i can probably offline moduals and warp them to a station before they kill the tower i might do that when we get wardeced... offline moduals and warp them out put it back together when wars over
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Dark Calling
Royal Order of Security Specialists
35
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:22:00 -
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Yes you do need guns and other defences on a POS even if its in highsec..
If you get war decced your POS will be at risk and they will be able to attack it
Also if someone sees your POS with no defense they may war dec you just to attack it without any kind of resistance from the POS itself and take it down easily
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Lady Spank
In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:24:00 -
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If you play frequently enough to notice a wardec as soon as it goes in you have time to pull down or load your tower up with guns as required. If the tower is worth saving but you are not on so often and can't muster up a defence gang then get it armed.
If it is important to you and you wish to discourage people from bothering then set up a dickstar. Get Out, Nasty Face |
Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:24:00 -
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Dark Calling wrote:Yes you do need guns and other defences on a POS even if its in highsec..
If you get war decced your POS will be at risk and they will be able to attack it
Also if someone sees your POS with no defense they may war dec you just to attack it without any kind of resistance from the POS itself and take it down easily
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QFT ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:24:00 -
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You want to see a high sec POS with defences? Go look at E-Uni's POS in Alderat.
There are players in small corps who go to a moon, see if the POS looks well defended, then see if the owning corp looks capable of defending it, and if the answer to both is "no" will dec the corp just to pop the POS. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:39:00 -
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His latest point:
Quote:"Without power grid it cannot fit the weapons systems necessary to defend itself,"
Quote:From a wiki: his is only compounded by the fact that missile batteries stop firing once a tower is reinforced, making the tower's bonuses all but useless in large fleet situations
I was curious about that too? missiles stop firing but guns dont? Or do they both stop? They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
stoicfaux
233
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:44:00 -
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You don't need guns. I remember seeing a high sec POS "armed" with nothing but a spam load of ECM batteries.
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Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.14 21:51:00 -
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To OP
You dont need guns on any ship or pos in the game
They are optional. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.09.14 22:07:00 -
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Trolls Troll wrote:To OP
You dont need guns on any ship or pos in the game
They are optional.
lol yah optional if you wanna keep the POS if youre in low or 0.0... They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.09.14 22:26:00 -
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So pretty much just spamming ECM and defensive stuff not so much guns? The hypothetical POS would be used for research. Labs pretty much the only extra stuff added They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2011.09.14 22:45:00 -
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I always had defenses on my high sec POS when I had one in case of war decs, but I had them offline when they weren't needed so they wouldn't take up precious CPU and PG. Not sure if the defenses take up the resources when offline these days since I haven't messed with POSes in years. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2011.09.14 22:50:00 -
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Suggestion Ive seen
like that? They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.09.14 23:06:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:So pretty much just spamming ECM and defensive stuff not so much guns?
ECM's ineffective against drone boats. Sure, there will be a reduction in dps, but ultimately it's a minor inconvenience.
There really shouldn't be any argument. Folks put up guns as a deterrent measure, also to save a bit of time, just in case you're caught with a wardec at an inopportune time. That usually means the POS is set up for long-term, as the time invested in anchoring/de-achoring the guns is fairly painful.
Now, the biggest advantage to a highsec POS with no guns is that you can pull it up at a moment's notice. If you've got it set up in out of the way solar systems with plenty of free moons, I don't think you'd need to bother about setting up any guns or defenses. However, if you've got it set up in busy places that happens to be indy favourites due to a variety of factors, then it's prudent to have some sort of passive deterrent. Remember, potential predators will almost always go for the easy ones first.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.14 23:28:00 -
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Unless things have changed.
Pos guns cycle and are ineffective without gunners. Makes me wonder.
If you have 10 guns and 10 ships attack do they each fire at a different one an then switch. Or do only 4 or 5 fire at the same time ?
At any rate the point is. If you put guns on it make sure you can use them.
Of course there is always the bluff factor.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.09.14 23:50:00 -
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Defences are primarily to discourage attack, and secondarily to defend from an actual attack.
My hisec POS (post #264). It is primarily setup as a EWAR-star. It has guns, but only for use by gunners or when the POS is reinforced. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.09.15 00:04:00 -
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It depends on the situation. If your just running a research tower doing pretty much anything other then cap/super research its generally easier/safer to tear down the tower once you see the dec. Since most towers that are used in highsec are Caldari or Guristas due to the higher CPU. Because of this they generally can't field that great of a defense, add to the fact that the bonus and weapon choices aren't the best. Not many people will dec you just because of a tower, and if they do the chances are slim they will actually go through the effort of shooting a tower in sub caps unless its a small.
If anything just throw a couple hardners on and that should scare away most griefers due to the amount of effort it takes to shoot down a hardened tower. Now if you are doing cap/super research then I would put defenses on it.
edit: also if you don't have a gunner or don't know how then having defenses is really pointless, and just serves as a deterant. Due to the limited defenses you would be able to put on it and the fact that POSs cycle targets frequently. |
Xearal
SOL Industries Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.15 00:18:00 -
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Just anchor and load a truckload of guns around it. Our pos has about 5 times the guns on it that it can handle, along with a truckload of hardners, ECM up the wazoo, neuts, Webs, Disruptors, the whole shebang.
When we are in peacetime, all these toys are just anchored and not online, as soon as we get wardecced, everything we can shut down inside is shut down, and we turn the thing into a lovely deathstar. Times before, when we didn't have this, when our alliance was decced, our pos was always the one ganked. Nowadays, nobody dares get close to our POS. Considering that half the corp has POS gunnery skills to boot, with out-of-corp alts with more pos gunnery skills ready to jump in at any time should the need arise, I'd feel very very sorry for the idiots that would even try. A deathstar on it's own in high sec is painfull, a deathstar with 5 pos gunners in it is lethal.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2011.09.15 00:30:00 -
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you can anchor guns without them online, when u see a wardec come in online teh guns. |
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