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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:48:00 -
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Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
:cripes: i'm not mandozer |
Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
304
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:51:00 -
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maybe he meant a mandozer
edit: yeah I'm on these forums too much bye "DIE N***ERS1 DIE!!!" - EVENEWS24's Riverini |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
108
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Posted - 2012.05.07 04:07:00 -
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Gloomy Gus wrote:maybe he meant a mandozer
edit: yeah I'm on these forums too much bye
No it was a actual persons name
Madozer, something or another, had a captain American like icon on the forums. he was of course kicked latter for shooting blues. |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK
108
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Posted - 2012.05.07 04:17:00 -
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Drew Li wrote:Black-Mark's problems were never the members in it or participation. It was sheer stupidity and corruption at the highest level.
You can read the mails to figure out part of the communication problem. BLM participation on ops would suck because even CEOs and directors would have no idea they were happening until a broadcast would go out. On top of that the alliance would always be behind the ball on getting staged for deployments. During the Branch invasion there were alliance mails going out to get all assets staged in VFK while in each fleet FCs were telling people they needed to be staged further forward so they wouldn't get picked off. CEOs were taking it upon themselves to counter alliance orders and tell their members to move forward to better staging systems. The alliance dread fleet didn't get deployed to Branch until the second week of January, a week later it was recalled home as the war was over. LJB had to sign off on any offensive use of personal capitals as well before they could be fielded.
Every attempt to get more organized was shot down in part because it would make it impossible for LJB to continue to hide things from members in the alliance. The typical deputy alliance CEO would last a month or two before leaving the alliance. Diplos were almost non existent and normally all in a single timezone. The command structure was often the CEO, deputy, maybe a diplo, and a head FC. The only comms the alliance had was the FA TS3 server and mumble. This comms situation actually worked rather well, but BLM was effectively an extension of FA since it was so easy to fleet up with them.
The alliance had a half dozen tech moons, but corps were still required to foot the bill for deathstars and jump bridges, still having to make SRP payments to the alliance, had jacked up office rental at the stations, required corps to foot the bills for POCOs and then turn over control of them. LJB had budgeted 10b/month for SRP, another 5b/month for paying leadership(most of which were in his corp that had issues staying in the top half of the alliance for kills each month), spent god knows how much building dreads that never made the fights, and who knows where the rest of it went. There was zero financial transparency and even CEOs had no idea what exactly the isk was being spent on. All the CEOs knew was how many tech moons the alliance had and what was spent on SRP each month. Everything else had to be figured out on our own.
Three days prior to BLM being removed I was still getting mails that they were trying to reset my new alliance because they let my corp in. LJB even choose to push the issue to themittani to get the issue resolved. LJB invented all sorts of stories in an attempt to keep us from joining several other CFC alliances after we choose to move elsewhere nearly 2 months ago. I went to most of the CFC alliances after member suggestions and applied, explaining our situation along with why we were moving. This was also followed by an audit of BLM finances. Ideally LJB would have been removed at that time and the alliance members would have been far better off. Sadly it didn't and the current situation came about. Apparently I was crazy to question the long-term stability of BLM a couple months ago and wanting to move my corp elsewhere.
Many of the major BLM corps were looking for greener pastures months ago, but moving can be a PITA and there was hope things would get better or a change in leadership would occur. This wasn't a case of FA or other CFC alliances carving up BLM. The CFC didn't choose to kill off a "pet" to take their corps and resources. BLM had been on a downward trend for a while. When BLM was reset there were only a handful of corps that had been in the alliance more than a couple months and even they were trying to get out. After the reset one of LJB's directors even walked off with a nyx, dozen caps, and the corp wallet from what I've heard. As for the alliance assets I would imagine LJB is pocketing everything that got out.
Interesting : o mmmmmm so what you are saying is that we had more then enough moon income for all the bills, subcap SRP and dread (capital) SRP, but we didn't utilize it fully, and coerced others for more isk.
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
603
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Posted - 2012.05.07 07:12:00 -
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Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote: Interesting : o mmmmmm so what you are saying is that we had more then enough moon income for all the bills, subcap SRP and dread (capital) SRP, but we didn't utilize it fully, and coerced others for more isk.
That changes quite a bit, if it is true.
confirmed more information in with chat with drew li 5 billion was to motivate leaders and staff to do job, that quite a bit of a bonus, and about 1/2-1/3 of the same budget for SRP was used for motivating leaders, any other alliances do that?
6-7 moons total and each moon generates under old prices about 7.2 billion a month with old prices of 100k for tech, 43 billion total at least add 2 billion per moon if stuff is reacted
Rough calculations on budget based on this information budget 43 billion -10 SRP -5 Leadership fund - 14 billion (estimate sov costs) = 14 extra billion
was the extra 14 billion used for the bonus, bonus fund? Was it given ironically named corp the 'Billionaires club' which might be LJB's alts.
Also add to that extra alliance income for using slots, and many towers were run by corps at no cost to alliance
Why didn't someone bring this up sooner. This should have been blaring with trumpets 2 weeks ago.
A corp named 'Billionaires club', its pretty obvious now what was going on.
The problem is when you have to pay leadership to do a job.
If leadership wants an alliance to work, in a MMO where you meet others to play along side with, the rewards are far greater than isk. There is only one paid director in FA.
That director manages over 100 POS's and the alliance's logistics. All he asked for was his account plexed. We plan on building him a Titan.
The morale here is, you pay on merit, not on the promise of work. The idea is "thank you for your help" instead of "let me bribe you to do the **** I don't wanna do".
It's not rocket surgery. |
knobber Jobbler
164
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Posted - 2012.05.07 09:04:00 -
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Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote: -5 Leadership fund
There is the problem.
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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:31:00 -
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As a director I only asked to be paid in Lady Scarlet nudes. :quagmire: |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures
109
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:47:00 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:As a director I only asked to be paid in Lady Scarlet nudes. :quagmire:
That is a pretty large or wide payment plan. |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
37
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:26:00 -
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I would say the fact that Black Mark alliance was given time to get its stuff out is very admirable for goons. Suprised they didnt pillage and burn them. Whats up? Are goons getting soft...... :P Ignore This.-á "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |
Metal Mini
The 12th Legion Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 00:40:00 -
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I remember my time with Black mark. i had joined right as the vfk campaing finished and was there for the move into cloud ring. i will agree that LJ had some issues and most of my corp did not like him. We left Black mark because we saw something like this happening and did not want to be part of it anymore. It kind of sucked to have to stop pvping and rat to get isk for ships and mods as well as to pay a huge amount tthe allaince just for being a part of it. We were a small but very active pvp corp but what moons we were given did not even pay for our fees. This news does not surprise me but I wish some of there members well. |
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Skex Relbore
Space Exploitation Inc Mordus Angels
163
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:46:00 -
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cBOLTSON wrote:I would say the fact that Black Mark alliance was given time to get its stuff out is very admirable for goons. Suprised they didnt pillage and burn them. Whats up? Are goons getting soft...... :P
LJB was given a hell of a lot more time than he gave us. (12hrs when he got mad that we were shopping for a new home) |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:04:00 -
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cBOLTSON wrote:I would say the fact that Black Mark alliance was given time to get its stuff out is very admirable for goons. Suprised they didnt pillage and burn them. Whats up? Are goons getting soft...... :P
We try not to punish members of corporations for the mistakes of their leaders. |
Max50
Parental Control
7
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:27:00 -
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4 pages for some alliance getting kicked from CFC. Its very simple tbh
Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
53
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Posted - 2012.05.08 19:41:00 -
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Max50 wrote:4 pages for some alliance getting kicked from CFC. Its very simple tbh
Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison
Ya. I totally get what you're saying. Makes perfects sense. |
Armeggeda iscariah
Ganja Labs Exodus.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:17:00 -
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kicking black mark was kinda dumb tbh , the new clusterfuck fails taking there space (exec) wont even fight anyone. black mark actually had the decency to undock and fight. granted they werent all that great. --------------------------------------He who dares , wins. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
51
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:08:00 -
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Confirming we are terrible |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
109
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:19:00 -
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cBOLTSON wrote:I would say the fact that Black Mark alliance was given time to get its stuff out is very admirable for goons. Suprised they didnt pillage and burn them. Whats up? Are goons getting soft...... :P
thinking about it, ironically when BLM kicked a corp (dominion of light, Drew Li), what was it 12 hours?
Thats not even a day, some people don't play eve like its a 9-5 job or life (wake up log into eve, play till sleep). Personally I have worked 12 hour shifts, and do two each week, that don't include the commute time to and from work. So if this goofy stuff happens when I am in a busy day, assets would be locked in space.
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
109
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Posted - 2012.05.09 01:28:00 -
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Khadmos wrote:Max50 wrote:4 pages for some alliance getting kicked from CFC. Its very simple tbh
Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison Ya. I totally get what you're saying. Makes perfects sense.
Fa power levels increased for every corp they let in.
What is it right now? |
Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:48:00 -
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Max50 wrote: Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison
What does this even mean? |
Tirestun
NOCXIUM DOGS
22
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Posted - 2012.05.09 15:08:00 -
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Max50 wrote:4 pages for some alliance getting kicked from CFC. Its very simple tbh
Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison
Can I have whatever you're on? |
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Max50
Parental Control
10
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:08:00 -
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Khadmos wrote:Max50 wrote:4 pages for some alliance getting kicked from CFC. Its very simple tbh
Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison Ya. I totally get what you're saying. Makes perfects sense.
That fatal something alliance is the one that uses gates to move jump freighters in null sec right with neutrals in local? I remember dropping 1-2 dreads at a gate for the lols but i cant remember wich pet we shitfaced that day. |
Max50
Parental Control
10
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:10:00 -
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Verte Sinkon wrote:Max50 wrote: Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison
What does this even mean?
Send some more pets on their way and you ll get my point. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.05.09 18:30:00 -
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Max50 wrote:Khadmos wrote:Max50 wrote:4 pages for some alliance getting kicked from CFC. Its very simple tbh
Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison Ya. I totally get what you're saying. Makes perfects sense. That fatal something alliance is the one that uses gates to move jump freighters in null sec right with neutrals in local? I remember dropping 1-2 dreads at a gate for the lols but i cant remember wich pet we shitfaced that day.
You're awesome!
It's not rocket surgery. |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
60
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:01:00 -
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The CFC gave BLM its space and most of it's infrastructure....
LJB told the CFC leadership to go **** itself...
BLM was removed from CFC...
questions????
Zenos GonnaGetYa wrote:I believe Zagdul brought the subject up with CFC leadership but it wasn't his decision alone.
Basically, BLM put very low numbers into fleets. In fact I rarely saw BLM guys up North. I don't know if you had an official deployment in VFK/CS- or not but I rarely saw any of you in fleet. You guys have an entire region, and presumable Tech moons, but it seems as though once you got your spoils you began getting fat and ignored the other CFC campaigns.
.......
Also, from TEST's point of view, your leadership were total dickheads.
First off, we had a HUGE presence in the Branch and Tenal campaigns. Our FC's ran a lot of fleets, and my ex-corp alone had 1000+ kills in just 1 month
Second, you're right LJB was a **** to the rest of the CFC leadership after they got BLM into the CFC My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
60
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:04:00 -
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sorry..delete My post was probably full of typos. I don;t care... |
Max50
Parental Control
10
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:49:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Max50 wrote:Khadmos wrote:Max50 wrote:4 pages for some alliance getting kicked from CFC. Its very simple tbh
Each time an alliance is getting kicked out of CFC.the level of CFC is increasing while the level of the rest EVE is decreasing.
Something like the EVE -WOW comparison Ya. I totally get what you're saying. Makes perfects sense. That fatal something alliance is the one that uses gates to move jump freighters in null sec right with neutrals in local? I remember dropping 1-2 dreads at a gate for the lols but i cant remember wich pet we shitfaced that day. You're awesome!
Not really,just better than you |
Sephiroth CloneIIV
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
109
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:12:00 -
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highonpop wrote:(I'm late to this thread I know..) The CFC gave BLM its space and most of it's infrastructure.... LJB told the CFC leadership to go **** itself... BLM was removed from CFC... questions???? Zenos GonnaGetYa wrote:I believe Zagdul brought the subject up with CFC leadership but it wasn't his decision alone.
Basically, BLM put very low numbers into fleets. In fact I rarely saw BLM guys up North. I don't know if you had an official deployment in VFK/CS- or not but I rarely saw any of you in fleet. You guys have an entire region, and presumable Tech moons, but it seems as though once you got your spoils you began getting fat and ignored the other CFC campaigns.
.......
Also, from TEST's point of view, your leadership were total dickheads. First off, we had a HUGE presence in the Branch and Tenal campaigns. Our FC's ran a lot of fleets, and my ex-corp alone had 1000+ kills in just 1 month. WE had an month-long deployment to CS- and BKG. I was out of CR for almost 4 straight weeks. In fact, we had to go back to CR because there was no one there and reds were running CR while we were gone. Second, you're right LJB was a **** to the rest of the CFC leadership after they got BLM into the CFC
If it was the case that the reset or evac truly came out of the blue for no reason, LJB would be in the right in telling the CFC to F--off if they backstabed BLM for the sake of poaching corps, and or him and they were in the wrong. That was my initial reaction, not having other information.
Though if he was a all-round **** in discussions with other CFC people long before reset, then that would give weight to it needing to be done and the right thing. I don't have voice or chat logs, releasing those would help for curious people who want to see some leadership chat ****. Unlikely but a person can dream.
Also with the likely hoarding of moongold (he told in a meeting that he had plenty isk to 'rebuild'), and large amounts used for nonessential functions, and at same time saping isk from alliance members (corps) for all sorts of stuff (upgrades and fueling pos's). That would be a betrayal to members of the alliance fighting so he could make more isk, which lasted how many months.
Without context of who is telling who to f-off, you can't really know who is in the right.
On another note I wish the corps who went separate ways well, and EXE. May EXE remember what was going on wrong in BLM and not do the same ever, no alliance leadership funds. No mystery funds, have a cap fleet fund for cap ships that are used if you have enough income which may be likely (no mystery unseen dread fleet). If funds are spent, everyone should know where it is going, everything, from the most lowly member to other alliances. Leadership should be based out of the best of multiple corps and not all out of one.
And cloud ring is still one of the worst regions in the game, and loads of hostiles will roam it forever, and they will have to grind for sov. EXE will build lots of character and experience.
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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
369
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:39:00 -
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To be fair BLM was goddamn ******** about sov management and logistics so it would take arguably as long to peacefully transfer the **** than it would be to just blitzkrieg the region. |
Dank Man
87
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:10:00 -
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highonpop wrote:(I'm late to this thread I know..) The CFC gave BLM its space and most of it's infrastructure.... LJB told the CFC leadership to go **** itself... BLM was removed from CFC... questions???? Zenos GonnaGetYa wrote:I believe Zagdul brought the subject up with CFC leadership but it wasn't his decision alone.
Basically, BLM put very low numbers into fleets. In fact I rarely saw BLM guys up North. I don't know if you had an official deployment in VFK/CS- or not but I rarely saw any of you in fleet. You guys have an entire region, and presumable Tech moons, but it seems as though once you got your spoils you began getting fat and ignored the other CFC campaigns.
.......
Also, from TEST's point of view, your leadership were total dickheads. First off, we had a HUGE presence in the Branch and Tenal campaigns. Our FC's ran a lot of fleets, and my ex-corp alone had 1000+ kills in just 1 month. WE had an month-long deployment to CS- and BKG. I was out of CR for almost 4 straight weeks. In fact, we had to go back to CR because there was no one there and reds were running CR while we were gone. Second, you're right LJB was a **** to the rest of the CFC leadership after they got BLM into the CFC
You realize the CFC gave all of your alliances your space, you are all just as terrible as black mark was, they just probably realized how miserable and boring flying with you morons was. Good luck being independent, because as soon as your overlords call on you and you don't show up you may anger the boss and he will take you space, don't worry you will have 10 days to evac...
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Verte Sinkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:47:00 -
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Dank Man wrote: Good luck being independent, because as soon as your overlords call on you and you don't show up you may anger the boss and he will take you space, don't worry you will have 10 days to evac...
I only wish we had the same sort of power over your posting. |
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