EVE Search - Nocxium CRASH imminent, NOCX 300 isk pu

corestwo wrote:

Tauranon wrote:

corestwo wrote:

So yeah, nuff said. Even his "valid" numbers are questionable at best. ;) Maybe he corrected for it somehow, maybe not, but...

I agree, can't credit his consumption figures at all.

If one presumes 75% of hull trades are manufacturer to the user (and the remaining 25% are traded items), then typical daily build volumes of megathrons, ravens, drakes and myrmidons are enough to account for his estimate alone. Not even bothering with the entire rest of the manufactured database.

I'd be curious to know where you got "daily build values" for those particular hulls. I've been working to come up with more accurate numbers than even the ungimmicked numbers Yuki used but there are some holes...

lafforet wrote:

True is that there is no precise and comprehensive up-to-date info about nocx. According to a bit old data, when drone poo is removed, nearly 2/3 of nocx inflow is made from loot and a bit more than 1/3 come from mining. Therefore, it obviously is not all about mining. I cannot find source of the 97m units/day, but if I remember correctly, it was not data about nocx made from mining, but from refining.
Early post-escalation data showed that incursions are nerfed significantly. Many incursion runners are returning to missioning. Now lets guess, will that decrease or increase inflow of nocx?

The data you're thinking of was indeed refining, and it included all sources - mining, refined modules, and drone poo. This was older data, prior to the drone poo nerf, and did not give specifics about how much of each kind of source generated each mineral.

The data Yuki is referencing for mining is from the same source, but is more recent. I've looked at the same numbers and can confirm that he's actually more or less accurate on his mining stats.

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Yuki Kasumi Some names are just stupid 0	Posted - 2012.05.02 23:15:00 - [1] - Quote Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math. The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day: Isogen312 004 000,00 Megacyte22 262 250,00 Mexallon1 844 773 273,27 Morphite1 965 240,00 Noxcium97 267 038,80 Pyerite4 168 273 510,21 Tritanium29 137 192 070,03 Zydrine46 011 170,00 This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter. However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day: Isogen 473 737 512 Megacyte 10 934 784 Mexallon 2 476 716 936 Nocxium 35 852 304 Pyerite 8 387 069 472 Tritanium 33 987 645 384 Zydrine 29 229 912 So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals. Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 254	Posted - 2012.05.02 23:34:00 - [2] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/DEsBs.png This is a raven blueprint. Note the approximately 4:1 ratio of isogen to nocxium. A drake is an even smaller ratio, 19,214 units of isogen to 13,600 units of nocxium. Frigates have a much larger ratio but are negligible consumption. These ratios are largely consistent across ship classes; minmatar and amarr battlecruisers use no nocxium, but even with the rather high consumption of tornadoes recently, that doesn't really explain his supposed 10:1 ratio of isogen to nocxium consumption - not even close. http://i.imgur.com/0XzMy.png This is a screenshot of some recent purchases; as you can see, they're of nocxium, several million units worth. Note the presence of the OPs name as a seller - he dumped three million units to me in one go, and 4.4 million units to another goon. The actions of someone intentionally seeking to depress the price, perhaps? I'll let the reader take these two pieces of evidence together - the very much different ratios from his claim, combined with me buying nocx and him selling - and weigh them against the OP's claim that we're currently "offloading stockpiles" and then, from there, evaluate the veracity (or lack thereof, really) of the OP's bogus numbers.
Yuki Kasumi Some names are just stupid 0	Posted - 2012.05.02 23:42:00 - [3] - Quote What would you do if you needed to offload say 150m units of nocx? You want to keep the buys high, to do so one post buy orders to keep the pressure up. As you can see from the screenshot Ive already offloaded mine, he got stuck with some of it. In the end I guess it all comes down to trust, personally I wouldnt trust a goon, your choice...
Agrippa Hurt State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.05.02 23:57:00 - [4] - Quote corestwo wrote: http://i.imgur.com/0XzMy.png This has got to be the most obviously 'shopped pic I've ever seen... And from a goon, of course...
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 254	Posted - 2012.05.02 23:59:00 - [5] - Quote Yuki Kasumi wrote: What would you do if you needed to offload say 150m units of nocx? You want to keep the buys high, to do so one post buy orders to keep the pressure up. As you can see from the screenshot Ive already offloaded mine, he got stuck with some of it. In the end I guess it all comes down to trust, personally I wouldnt trust a goon, your choice... http://i.imgur.com/V5CxR.png So "stuck" with it that I haven't even sold yet. Perish the thought. And then there's this, from ingame. Quote: [22:38:19] corestwo > panic selling, Yuki? [22:39:21] Yuki Kasumi > No panic, just need more liquid, and nocx seemed due to drop a bit :) (snip - irrelevant channel chatter) [22:40:24] corestwo > wishing I'd placed my order down closer to 800 now though. [22:52:54] Yuki Kasumi > Now core, wouldnt it be fun to make all the sheep jump too [22:53:07] Yuki Kasumi > that way we could buy more at say 650? [22:53:27] corestwo > I'd love to buy at 650 but I'm out of money. [22:53:41] Yuki Kasumi > 44m isnt yours? [22:53:48] corestwo > a friend's. [22:53:57] Yuki Kasumi > well... [22:56:46] Yuki Kasumi > Damn it would be sooo easy, if it wasnt for the 44m buy, just move the sell down, post a strategic thread with bogus numbers in md [22:56:51] Yuki Kasumi > sheep jump :) [22:57:39] corestwo > and I would come into your thread and ** all over it with very much real numbers. [22:58:18] corestwo > and/or have an associate eat your sell. [22:58:18] Yuki Kasumi > but then there would be no cheap nocx for anyone, where is the fun in that, and you would be nice to sheep, thats not very gooony of you [22:59:07] corestwo > alternatively, driftfire would come into your thread and ** all over it with very real numbers, since I know for a fact he's read the same information I have. [23:02:09] Yuki Kasumi > Party poopers [23:02:43] Thomas Hurt > If cores crashes your thread just point out that hes a goon, and obviously deliberately misleading pubbies to turn a profit [23:03:27] Thomas Hurt > you can title the thread NOCXIUM 300 [23:03:33] corestwo > in a way that would be true, however, I would be spelling out how undersupplied nocxium currently is and thus how it's a good buy. [23:04:07] Yuki Kasumi > Well, lets play core :) http://i.imgur.com/ATeo7.png Here's that conversation screenshotted from eve-live, incidentally, just so that you have to try to throw out the obvious but implausible accusation that I made them both up.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 254	Posted - 2012.05.03 00:09:00 - [6] - Quote Aaaand for the coup de grace Quote: [00:07:53] Yuki Kasumi > Damn you chribba, oh well, I suppose that ends that, well played core. Tell the this though, why would you have mined it dipping to say 660? What's it like having your credibility on the forums crushed by a goon of all people?
Liberty Eternal Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 71	Posted - 2012.05.03 00:11:00 - [7] - Quote Why have goons started posting so much in MD lately? Just asking.
Agrippa Hurt State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.05.03 00:12:00 - [8] - Quote That certainly was a convincing bit of character assassination so that Goonswarm could continue to unload their Nocxium inventory onto a teetering market... wake up, people!
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 254	Posted - 2012.05.03 00:13:00 - [9] - Quote Liberty Eternal wrote: Why have goons started posting so much in MD lately? Just asking. Weaselior likes bragging about his technetium cartel, illectroculus defined just does whatever from time to time and I've always been here. Not all that many others post here so I dunno what you're talking about.
Kara Books Deal with IT. 124	Posted - 2012.05.03 01:08:00 - [10] - Quote Havnt seen one of these for a while now The drama from both sides is priceless.

Akarawa Kugisa School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.05.03 01:18:00 - [11] - Quote Yuki Kasumi wrote: Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math. The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day: Isogen312 004 000,00 Megacyte22 262 250,00 Mexallon1 844 773 273,27 Morphite1 965 240,00 Noxcium97 267 038,80 Pyerite4 168 273 510,21 Tritanium29 137 192 070,03 Zydrine46 011 170,00 This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter. However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day: Isogen 473 737 512 Megacyte 10 934 784 Mexallon 2 476 716 936 Nocxium 35 852 304 Pyerite 8 387 069 472 Tritanium 33 987 645 384 Zydrine 29 229 912 So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals. Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria. where did u get those #?
Fish Hunter Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation 10	Posted - 2012.05.03 01:41:00 - [12] - Quote Yuki Kasumi wrote: Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math. The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day: Isogen312 004 000,00 Megacyte22 262 250,00 Mexallon1 844 773 273,27 Morphite1 965 240,00 Noxcium97 267 038,80 Pyerite4 168 273 510,21 Tritanium29 137 192 070,03 Zydrine46 011 170,00 This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter. However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day: Isogen 473 737 512 Megacyte 10 934 784 Mexallon 2 476 716 936 Nocxium 35 852 304 Pyerite 8 387 069 472 Tritanium 33 987 645 384 Zydrine 29 229 912 So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals. Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria. I don't feel like checking your consumption numbers but looking at supply ratios for ship building. looks like megacyte and zydrine were oversupplied, while pyerite was undersupplied. This is from looking at the ratios of ship building. And relook at your nocxium number it should be closer to 130 mil units.
Wukulo Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn 60	Posted - 2012.05.03 01:45:00 - [13] - Quote Yuki Kasumi wrote: Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math. The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day: Isogen312 004 000,00 Megacyte22 262 250,00 Mexallon1 844 773 273,27 Morphite1 965 240,00 Noxcium97 267 038,80 Pyerite4 168 273 510,21 Tritanium29 137 192 070,03 Zydrine46 011 170,00 This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter. However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day: Isogen 473 737 512 Megacyte 10 934 784 Mexallon 2 476 716 936 Nocxium 35 852 304 Pyerite 8 387 069 472 Tritanium 33 987 645 384 Zydrine 29 229 912 So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals. Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria. Care to link your source? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=CCP%20Diagoras I'm not seeing that info. Posted on main because I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 258	Posted - 2012.05.03 01:45:00 - [14] - Quote Fish Hunter wrote: I don't feel like checking your consumption numbers but looking at supply ratios for ship building. looks like megacyte and zydrine were oversupplied, while pyerite was undersupplied. This is from looking at the ratios of ship building. And relook at your nocxium number it should be closer to 130 mil units. And if you'd read the rest of the thread, you'd have realized that he intentionally gimmicked the nocxium number on consumption in an attempt to cause a panic. I mean, the whole consumption number is suspect to begin with because "ships of each class" is extremely general and ignores modules entirely, but that's a separate matter.
DarthNefarius Minmatar Heavy Industries 173	Posted - 2012.05.03 02:51:00 - [15] - Quote Yuki Kasumi wrote: Most of you have seen the numbers posted by CCP Diagoras, not all of you have bothered to do the math. The easy part, mining post Inferno has gone up, currently this is mined every day: Isogen312 004 000,00 Megacyte22 262 250,00 Mexallon1 844 773 273,27 Morphite1 965 240,00 Noxcium97 267 038,80 Pyerite4 168 273 510,21 Tritanium29 137 192 070,03 Zydrine46 011 170,00 This is just the refined values of the ore posted on his twitter. However looking back at previous numbers he has also posted stats for ships produced of each class, this is interesting because it gives an estimate of how much minerals is consumed each day: Isogen 473 737 512 Megacyte 10 934 784 Mexallon 2 476 716 936 Nocxium 35 852 304 Pyerite 8 387 069 472 Tritanium 33 987 645 384 Zydrine 29 229 912 So I bring your attention to Nocxium, currently there are 35.852.304 consumed a day, where as 97.267.038 mined a day. There is a HUGE surplus of Nocxium, lesser so for some of the others minerals. Now the goons and their friends with deep pockets will tell you that this is bogus, refer to previous posts in md, however they are making big isk on offloading their huge stockpiles from pre pax amarria. Excuse me but your second set of numbers is just for minerals consumed making ships? So module production has to be added on top of that for a correct number What about POS's too? Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGds
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 266	Posted - 2012.05.03 03:09:00 - [16] - Quote This "I didn't read anything but the OP" phenomena is fascinating.
Nostradamouse Riraille Eagle Strategic Command 0	Posted - 2012.05.03 04:41:00 - [17] - Quote Well played, you made me jump But at least, I jumped to sell at current market value, so eh, no loss
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 269	Posted - 2012.05.03 05:22:00 - [18] - Quote You read the thread title, dumped, and then read the rest of it? You are literally the worst.
Johnny Frecko Fruidian Logic 18	Posted - 2012.05.03 06:57:00 - [19] - Quote .. Please tell me more.
malaire 385	Posted - 2012.05.03 08:21:00 - [20] - Quote Liberty Eternal wrote: Why have goons started posting so much in MD lately? Just asking. They just found Jita, and are now interested about what that really is about? New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else

lafforet Amarr Royal Trust Bank 13	Posted - 2012.05.03 10:16:00 - [21] - Quote True is that there is no precise and comprehensive up-to-date info about nocx. According to a bit old data, when drone poo is removed, nearly 2/3 of nocx inflow is made from loot and a bit more than 1/3 come from mining. Therefore, it obviously is not all about mining. I cannot find source of the 97m units/day, but if I remember correctly, it was not data about nocx made from mining, but from refining. Early post-escalation data showed that incursions are nerfed significantly. Many incursion runners are returning to missioning. Now lets guess, will that decrease or increase inflow of nocx?
Tauranon Weeesearch 58	Posted - 2012.05.03 11:57:00 - [22] - Quote corestwo wrote: So yeah, nuff said. Even his "valid" numbers are questionable at best. ;) Maybe he corrected for it somehow, maybe not, but... I agree, can't credit his consumption figures at all. If one presumes 75% of hull trades are manufacturer to the user (and the remaining 25% are traded items), then typical daily build volumes of megathrons, ravens, drakes and myrmidons are enough to account for his estimate alone. Not even bothering with the entire rest of the manufactured database.
Claire Voyant 119	Posted - 2012.05.03 12:52:00 - [23] - Quote malaire wrote: Liberty Eternal wrote: Why have goons started posting so much in MD lately? Just asking. They just found Jita, and are now interested about what that really is about? Yeah, this Jita thing is HUGE! And apparently inflammable, who knew?
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 273	Posted - 2012.05.03 14:32:00 - [24] - Quote Tauranon wrote: corestwo wrote: So yeah, nuff said. Even his "valid" numbers are questionable at best. ;) Maybe he corrected for it somehow, maybe not, but... I agree, can't credit his consumption figures at all. If one presumes 75% of hull trades are manufacturer to the user (and the remaining 25% are traded items), then typical daily build volumes of megathrons, ravens, drakes and myrmidons are enough to account for his estimate alone. Not even bothering with the entire rest of the manufactured database. I'd be curious to know where you got "daily build values" for those particular hulls. I've been working to come up with more accurate numbers than even the ungimmicked numbers Yuki used but there are some holes... lafforet wrote: True is that there is no precise and comprehensive up-to-date info about nocx. According to a bit old data, when drone poo is removed, nearly 2/3 of nocx inflow is made from loot and a bit more than 1/3 come from mining. Therefore, it obviously is not all about mining. I cannot find source of the 97m units/day, but if I remember correctly, it was not data about nocx made from mining, but from refining. Early post-escalation data showed that incursions are nerfed significantly. Many incursion runners are returning to missioning. Now lets guess, will that decrease or increase inflow of nocx? The data you're thinking of was indeed refining, and it included all sources - mining, refined modules, and drone poo. This was older data, prior to the drone poo nerf, and did not give specifics about how much of each kind of source generated each mineral. The data Yuki is referencing for mining is from the same source, but is more recent. I've looked at the same numbers and can confirm that he's actually more or less accurate on his mining stats.
Nostradamouse Riraille Eagle Strategic Command 0	Posted - 2012.05.03 17:54:00 - [25] - Quote corestwo wrote: You read the thread title, dumped, and then read the rest of it? I, uh... My mama used to tell me I'm special... Nah seriously, I jumped as soon as I saw the thread, which was even before you replied. I realised the fake after, when you posted. But eh, still sold the damn stuff for 930 isk/unit in Dodixie in less than 10 minutes, so... no real lost. Plus, that impromptu stop in dodixie made me buy a cheap exequror that I sold for double the price in Amarr. (go figure, apparently 9 million isks is an OK price for exequrors in Amarr)
qDoctor Strangelove Beware of the Red Fox 15	Posted - 2012.05.03 19:30:00 - [26] - Quote corestwo wrote: Tauranon wrote: corestwo wrote: So yeah, nuff said. Even his "valid" numbers are questionable at best. ;) Maybe he corrected for it somehow, maybe not, but... I agree, can't credit his consumption figures at all. If one presumes 75% of hull trades are manufacturer to the user (and the remaining 25% are traded items), then typical daily build volumes of megathrons, ravens, drakes and myrmidons are enough to account for his estimate alone. Not even bothering with the entire rest of the manufactured database. I'd be curious to know where you got "daily build values" for those particular hulls. I've been working to come up with more accurate numbers than even the ungimmicked numbers Yuki used but there are some holes... lafforet wrote: True is that there is no precise and comprehensive up-to-date info about nocx. According to a bit old data, when drone poo is removed, nearly 2/3 of nocx inflow is made from loot and a bit more than 1/3 come from mining. Therefore, it obviously is not all about mining. I cannot find source of the 97m units/day, but if I remember correctly, it was not data about nocx made from mining, but from refining. Early post-escalation data showed that incursions are nerfed significantly. Many incursion runners are returning to missioning. Now lets guess, will that decrease or increase inflow of nocx? The data you're thinking of was indeed refining, and it included all sources - mining, refined modules, and drone poo. This was older data, prior to the drone poo nerf, and did not give specifics about how much of each kind of source generated each mineral. The data Yuki is referencing for mining is from the same source, but is more recent. I've looked at the same numbers and can confirm that he's actually more or less accurate on his mining stats. Why didn't you just play along so we could get some cheap Nocx from the traders Darwin forgot?
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 274	Posted - 2012.05.03 19:44:00 - [27] - Quote Because I was out of cash, among other reasons.
Debiru Flashpoint Industries Imperial Hull Tankers 7	Posted - 2012.05.03 20:00:00 - [28] - Quote Never trust Goons. Trust marketeers claiming price drops/spikes even less. My take on this thread. o7 Corestwo.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking 274	Posted - 2012.05.03 21:17:00 - [29] - Quote Debiru wrote: Never trust Goons. Trust marketeers claiming price drops/spikes even less. My take on this thread. o7 Corestwo. Weaselior & I were proclaiming loudly for quite awhile a few weeks ago that morphite was going to crash and burn. No one trusted us then, either.
Eddie Laydon Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 58	Posted - 2012.05.03 23:52:00 - [30] - Quote Some of you seem to think we are all morons who mindlessly follow random predictions. Idk about other people, but whenever I see something like this the first thing I do is look at who posted it. If its some random nobody I just ignore it, otherwise I do my own research. I assume many of the traders looked at this thread, loled, wondered for a while if the OP was a r-tard and then just moved on.


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