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Mr FourEyes
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:32:00 -
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Is this the dumbing down of eve can someone shed light on this. Will armor resitance automaticly increase from the type of damage hitting it?
Also anyone else thing the small and medium webs will kill the the effectivness of the Vaga |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:37:00 -
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Mr FourEyes wrote: Is this the dumbing down of eve can someone shed light on this. Will armor resitance automaticly increase from the type of damage hitting it?
Also anyone else thing the small and medium webs will kill the the effectivness of the Vaga
I actually see a potential downside in terms of defense holes regarding Adaptive Armor Hardeners. A small gang of skilled gankers will use this to their advantage.
Of course, in a 1v1 pvp fight, things will change because of this. But I don't see much usefulness of such an adaptive mod when it comes to fleet fights in which all four damage types are used. If anything, this just makes the armor to become prone to developing a weakness which will be useful for the aggressors. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 07:48:00 -
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What are you guys talking about? |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.03 07:52:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1230405#post1230405
CCP Goliath wrote:(...) GÇóResistance shifting armor hardener (Armor Adaptive Hardener)
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malaire
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:24:00 -
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Are these yet in Sisi, i.e. does anyone have actual stats of those modules and how they compare to traditional modules?
EDIT: Maybe I should've checked that link before replying. New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.03 08:45:00 -
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Mr FourEyes wrote: Is this the dumbing down of eve can someone shed light on this. Will armor resitance automaticly increase from the type of damage hitting it?
Also anyone else thing the small and medium webs will kill the the effectivness of the Vaga
This one has also been described during Fanfest (on one of the videos that exist in Youtube).
So far we have EANM, which gives a persistent bonus to all resistances. This module will give a smaller bonus (according to what the devs said during the Fanfest) than the active hardeners we have so far, but it will be able to shift the bonus given to the increase the resist on the damage type received.
Not bad (well it does look interesting on paper) and yes it does change the pvp strategies.
As for the small and medium web drones, sorry but they were sorely missed. In fact there should be drones of all sizes for every type of drone (be it ECM or combat)
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Aethlyn
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:09:00 -
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From my understanding it's far from being the perfect hardener or anything.
If you receive a kinetic hit, your kinetic resistance will be increased for future hits, but your previous resistance will drop.
If everyone is using one damage type only, i.e. everyone using the same ammo (only Fusion, only Antimatter, only Scourge, etc.), then this module will be effective and rather dynamic. However, if your fleet tries to do spread damage types a bit more, you'll actually screw the module into providing the wrong bonuses making it far worse than specialized hardeners.
It might be dumbing down mechanics, but only if you're playing the dumbed down way (by using the "perfect" setup). On the other side, these module series seems to reward using different damage types, which is something I wouldn't consider dumbing down.
So it's probably shifting the focus a bit: You can skip some micro managment defensive wise, but it adds new incentives to the offensive. Looking for more thoughts? Read my blog or follow me on Twitter. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:34:00 -
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You know, you could come up with all kinds of cool and mysterious explanations and reasoning or... you could just take the logical route and realise it's an "invulnerability field" for armor, so an active EANM with better resists. But that would ofcourse be way too logical and simple, right? |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:34:00 -
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GÇóDrone Damage module (Extrinsic Damage Amplifier) GÇóCPU Rigs (Small/Medium/Large Processor Overclocking Unit) GÇóFueled Shield booster (Small/Medium/Large Ancillary Shield Booster), using Cap Boosters as charges GÇóLight and Medium Web drones GÇóResistance shifting armor hardener (Armor Adaptive Hardener)
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Oh man I love all off this!
First I have heard of any of these type modules. Might need to actually dl the dang test client !!!!!!!
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
Spyra Gryra
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:45:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:You know, you could come up with all kinds of cool and mysterious explanations and reasoning or... you could just take the logical route and realise it's an "invulnerability field" for armor, so an active EANM with better resists. But that would ofcourse be way too logical and simple, right?
Wrong
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NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:51:00 -
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finally armor is being brought into line with shields and there invulnerability field hardeners.. About dog damn ******* time, good bye drakes. |
Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:51:00 -
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It sounds complicated but more useful to run the mission |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:52:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:finally armor is being brought into line with shields and there invulnerability field hardeners.. About dog damn ******* time, good bye drakes.
shields never had EANMs, just as an FYI. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:55:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:NickyYo wrote:finally armor is being brought into line with shields and there invulnerability field hardeners.. About dog damn ******* time, good bye drakes. shields never had EANMs, just as an FYI.
Would you use one if they existed?
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:56:00 -
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capless omni resist? oh **** yes. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.05.03 09:58:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:capless omni resist? oh **** yes.
So for pvp you'll happily bring a drake with 2 "shield EANM" instead of 2 invuls?
Ok. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:06:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:capless omni resist? oh **** yes. So for pvp you'll happily bring a drake with 2 "shield EANM" instead of 2 invuls? Ok.
up against anything that could possibly have a neut?
absolutely.
on a frigate or cruiser?
absolutely.
on any ship that is cap-heavy on its guns?
absolutely.
its a lot trickier to fit a cap booster onto a shield tanking pvp ship to cover these scenarios. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.03 10:17:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:finally armor is being brought into line with shields and there invulnerability field hardeners.. About dog damn ******* time, good bye drakes. Mmm no.
First of all you miss the point that this new module will NOT offer a constant resistance bonus to all damage types, but will shift the resistance type (where the bonus is applied) according to the type of damage received.
Furthermore it won't be as good as the already present active hardeners. It will provide a lesser bonus that will have the advantage that is able to be applied according to the type of damage received.
Please note that if a ship is receiving damage that spans across all damage types (or some), I doubt it will work as an EANM. Well from what the devs said it won't work as an EANM. |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:48:00 -
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not really happy about that...which race has the most armor tank ships?
<---Amarr
and which race can't change damage type with their lazors?
<---Amarr
we will see what will happen :) maybe no one will use them :) Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:02:00 -
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Lharanai wrote:not really happy about that...which race has the most armor tank ships?
<---Amarr
and which race can't change damage type with their lazors?
<---Amarr
we will see what will happen :) maybe no one will use them :)
Actually, it's a disguised Minnie buff. CCP is simply not capable of not buffing minmatar.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:09:00 -
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It's an optics buff. 60% of dps is base. Even if your Omni resist is 100% you will take .6 damage from base shield and armor weapons.
If they made adaptive hull mods, that would be a hell of a buffer because most weapons reduce to 40% max. It's what makes hull tank geddons so hard to kill. |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:21:00 -
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Sounds like this is a slight Minmatar (and to some extent Caldari) nerf for solo PvP. Reduces their ability to change damage type to suit targets. Probably a good thing. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:23:00 -
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Lharanai wrote:not really happy about that...which race has the most armor tank ships?
<---Amarr
and which race can't change damage type with their lazors?
<---Amarr Yes? What does the first point have to do with anything? This will help any armour-tanked ship that comes up against anything that does uniform damage.
The second point just means that an all-Amarr fleet might run into issues when it comes up against an armour fleet, but so will the Caldari and Gallente with their hybrid guns. It's not like the Amarr has a patent on not being able to switch damage types. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:24:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Sounds like this is a slight Minmatar (and to some extent Caldari) nerf for solo PvP. Reduces their ability to change damage type to suit targets. Probably a good thing.
To the contrary, while my amarr tank is armor, my lazors are shield based. It does I suppose make an Arti Proh or arti Baddon that much meaner.
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Janet Patton
Brony Express
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:01:00 -
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I see this as being a mod designed for doing PvE missions, so you don't have to keep switching out specific hardeners each time you run a new mission. It makes your fit less specialized and more universally adaptive. |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:54:00 -
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Having tested it on SiSi, it's safe to say that it's essentially useless for PvP. And really for PvE if you know what you're doing. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:22:00 -
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First the projectiles/rail/blaster/lasers fire EM rounds... then the missile boats hit with Kinetic right after. Ouch. Hey CCP, there is still drone poop in the loot soup! |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:56:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:First the projectiles/rail/blaster/lasers fire EM rounds... then the missile boats hit with Kinetic right after. Ouch.
The resistances change very slowly. Slow enough that the gap between damage types shouldn't matter very much. |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:03:00 -
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damn Tippia why do you force me to use a sarcasm sign.....I know I am bad at sarcasm....but do I really need a sign?
Edit:
I just like to complain about amarr ships beneath the BS level :) Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:04:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Having tested it on SiSi, it's safe to say that it's essentially useless for PvP. And really for PvE if you know what you're doing.
im sorry to be the one to break this to you, but 'having tested this on sisi' does not mean you can "safely say" anything aside from 'i have seen what they look like' and even then... |
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