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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
910
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:51:00 -
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Protip: 70% of players aren't in high sec, 70% of characters are.
I fly around high sec, and do you know what I see? Members of null sec alliances, ****** little renter corps. Hell, even the odd -10 pirate rushing through. Not to mention the army of incursion farming, mission running and trading alts. Most of which belong to, you guessed it, null sec players.
Believe it or not the largest alliances in the game do not reside in null sec because it is the least popular part of the game, it just happens to be less central than high sec. Its not like everyone in the game travels to VFK to buy and fit their ships, so of course high sec is going to be more populated character wise.
People need to learn to analyse statistics better. They are not always particularly useful, especially not when you just take them at face value.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
166
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:54:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Degren wrote:All I got out of it was "We want to be represented, but we don't want to organize to do it."
Uh huh.
No. Greetings capsuleer Degren, I believe there was a substantial push to elect candidates that resided predominantly in the high-security, CONCORD patrolled areas for the current CSM. This did not occur; because the handlers were not motivated. There were plenty of fine speeches prior to the election, campaigning and so forth. But the pilots are too fractured, too insular. They have no reason to band together because they are not bound together in camaraderie like those who risk their futures on the frontiers of New Eden. I do not see what could motivate them. Offer them free Piloting Licenses? Perhaps a hold filled with Gallentean dancing girls and a tub of jello? It would have to be something that appeals to naked self interest. Regards, Shian Yang
This pretty much. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:57:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I like how they move small person stuff to null and will be glad with the increased income I will earn from my exploration sites. Spent most of that time based in highsec, making incursions into low and null. Also while the CSM may be voted by a relative minority in the grand scheme, all their changes makes perfect sense. Making a game for people to play! Sure you cannot farm to feed a steady supply of pvp T3, guess it is time to get back to basics. Stabber fleets anybody?
To the peeps saying accounts gone if datacores leave, that means one thing.
That you have accounts that do nothing but kill the market for legit players so you can feed one more account.
Dont let the door hit you on the way out.
That being said, it will depend on how ccp fills the void. Changing mining away from straight up fixed asteroid belts, a good start. Opens for more roaming mining ops especially with more ore ships coming. T3 industrial would allow for roaming industry ops, success unknown but possible. The automation needs to go, and it does ruin parts of eve. It will revert pvp back to an older, less sp intense and in the end, probably similar cost, but I think is for the best.
Unlike the tech moon, right kip?
And while High Sec will be forced to fly junk, Null Bears will still have best.
We are about to find out if they can get away with being morons again. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:00:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:Yeah, accounts do, but take this. They lose 10 accounts to people who thing eve should autoplay. They gain 20 to people who think eve is fun, people who typically when I talk to say eve is dull, ie mining and the power imbalances happening in pvp. Business says lose the 10 to get 20.
Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.
So BUSINESS says you are wrong. |
Bane Necran
427
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:05:00 -
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I think the changes you mention have less to do with the CSM and more to do with CCP's continuing effort to please 0.0 alliances and neglect everyone else. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
910
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:09:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Yeah, accounts do, but take this. They lose 10 accounts to people who thing eve should autoplay. They gain 20 to people who think eve is fun, people who typically when I talk to say eve is dull, ie mining and the power imbalances happening in pvp. Business says lose the 10 to get 20. Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years. So BUSINESS says you are wrong. By your own admition they have been sucking up to null for years: Eve has grown steadily year after year.
/discuss
Oh, and FYI, the only depressions in Eve's subscriptions coincide with care bear releases that focussed on PvE on high sec content.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:10:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:a lot of words
Was there a request in there somewhere? Some kind of feature discussion? All I saw was "pushing back.". |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
359
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:10:00 -
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And people are actually surprised that when a Goon get's into the right position in CCP's lead that he then still is a Goon foremost?
We all knew there were people from Goons recruited. CCP knew that Goons are only up to one thing. To screw everyone else.
CCP just starts to make more clear that metagaming is THE bussiness. It isn't just who has the most API farming, forum copies etc. It's about who actually manages to get the most people at work at CCP.
Internal affairs is a farce. It's like asking the butcher if his meat is of good quality. He ain't gonna tell you he has secondrate meat. It's all fine and peachy.
And to add some tinfoil to it all:
There once was another alliance that did very well when they had someone from CCP assisting them. |
Shian Yang
39
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:11:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years.
So BUSINESS says you are wrong.
Greetings capsuleer,
TRUTH says you are wrong.
Quote:As of May 6, 2009, Eve Online claimed to have more than 300,000 active subscriptions and 45,000 active trial accounts.[37][38][39][40][41] The total active subscription count at end of 2010 was 357,000 accounts.[42] Refer here.
Quote:In March 2012, Eve Online reached over 400,000 subscribers. Refer here.
It does not have the same growth rate as common fare, but then why would you expect a niche product to grow at the same rate as something marketed at the common masses?
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:16:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Yeah, accounts do, but take this. They lose 10 accounts to people who thing eve should autoplay. They gain 20 to people who think eve is fun, people who typically when I talk to say eve is dull, ie mining and the power imbalances happening in pvp. Business says lose the 10 to get 20. Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years. So BUSINESS says you are wrong. By your own admition they have been sucking up to null for years: Eve has grown steadily year after year. /discuss Oh, and FYI, the only depressions in Eve's subscriptions coincide with care bear releases that focussed on PvE on high sec content.
You have a very generous definition of "growth". |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
910
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:20:00 -
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Yes Jessie, consistent subscriber growth over an entire decade is terrible for an MMO.
CCP must be crying themselves to sleep at night knowing that they could have catered to care bears, cashed in on a single population boom, and then watched their game die within a year.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Bane Necran
428
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:22:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:It does not have the same growth rate as common fare, but then why would you expect a niche product to grow at the same rate as something marketed at the common masses?
EVE gains people at a terribly slow rate, even for a niche game. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:24:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Yes Jessie, consistent subscriber growth over an entire decade is terrible for an MMO.
CCP must be crying themselves to sleep at night knowing that they could have catered to care bears, cashed in on a single population boom, and then watched their game die within a year.
Growth has been effectively zero since the beginning of 2009. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
634
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:30:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:But who am I kidding. It won't happen. High sec players will just quit once all the changes coming down the pipe are implemented. Heck, I will likely have packed it in myself, rather than waste my time fighting lost battles in and out of game.
High sec players, consider this a warning for you: Organize now. The next CSM may be your last chance to save high sec in some playable format.
What are these changes that will cause people to unsub?
You make a very angry post, but fail to give any sort of clue for your anger. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Shian Yang
40
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:31:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Growth has been effectively zero since the beginning of 2009.
Greetings capsuleer,
This is a lie.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
634
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:32:00 -
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Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Yes Jessie, consistent subscriber growth over an entire decade is terrible for an MMO.
CCP must be crying themselves to sleep at night knowing that they could have catered to care bears, cashed in on a single population boom, and then watched their game die within a year. Growth has been effectively zero since the beginning of 2009.
No, it hasn't. But you are one of the guys who doesn't really care about facts, aren't you. ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:37:00 -
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CSM is a scam, should not exist and it is a means for devs to cheat with their friends.
Ever seen good response about the CSM process? ever? Nope, because it never was and never will and that is why you wont see this bullshit put in place by serious video-game companies and businesses. |
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:38:00 -
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I think NullSec Alliances better prepare for Hi-seccers pitching tents in their space protesting them. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6358
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:49:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:CCP acknowledges through their own numbers that slightly over 70% of all players in game are high sec. No. CCP acknowledges that 70% of all characters are in highsec. They also acknowledge that, on average, people have 2 characters per account. This means that as few as 40% of the accounts are highsec-based, and if we look at the actual players, it may even be much lower than thatGǪ
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Well they've been sucking up to Null Bears since the game started and EvE hasn't grown in years. GǪaside from having grown every year, even 2011 when they lost nearly 10% of their subscribers due to the Incarna fuckup.
Fannie Maes wrote:Ever seen good response about the CSM process? Yes. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1780
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:52:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:CSM is a scam, should not exist and it is a means for devs to cheat with their friends.
Ever seen good response about the CSM process? ever? Nope, because it never was and never will and that is why you wont see this bullshit put in place by serious video-game companies and businesses.
I see favorable changes promoted by the CSM all the time, as do most of the players, and they let that be known on these very forums.
You know, you used to make some good observations, but here lately you've gone a bit off the deep end.
In other news, a roughly 25% growth in subscriptions since 2009... in the final third of a 9 year span when most MMO's are in serious decline... is considered to be VERY healthy in the gaming industry. Remarkably so in fact. Which rather explains why some of the bigger names in the industry want to be so cozy with CCP.
I think most of us realize that there needs to be more division in where resources are available in EVE, which means some things will remain in high sec and some may be limited... just as they will be in the other area's of EVE.
It might also interest you to know that the Data Cores will not only be available through FW in Low Sec (and if there was ever an area of the game that needed it's own thing, it's both FW and Low Sec). Data Cores will still be available through your research agents, but the amount will be reduced to compensate for their availability via FW. Yes you and I will both lose a little effortless income, but T2 industry (data cores in particular) are not being taken away from high sec as everyone is so fond of falsely claiming.
So far, with some notable (and welcomed) exceptions, the only thing this thread has put forth that is worth while is to suggest that if High Sec wants better representation they need to get off their butts and vote. Not that the CSM tells CCP what to do, despite the ignorant suggestions in this thread, but they do help represent the interests of the EVE community in all it's diversity by reminding CCP what our preferences (and in come cases, needs) are.
There are plenty of (mostly trivial) things to ***** about in EVE, but at least make some effort to separate fact from fiction before you make an ass out of yourself.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:03:00 -
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What has CSM done to improve the game since... 2000... 2007?
Hmm, a lot has changed since then? Did CSM improve a lot and get CCP to fix stuff?
What happened last year? Did CSM want that ****? Was CSM responsible for getting CCP to that failuer and then later to understand "we should focus on space ships in eve" or was that common sense and thousands of voice speaking out????
You tell me, if you really think the CSM has done a single good thing for EVE that is ok.
You are wrong but so are people believing in Scientology and I have to respect their belief. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6359
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:13:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:You tell me, if you really think the CSM has done a single good thing for EVE that is ok.
You are wrong So you think the skill queue is a thing of evil then. That's pretty odd, since most people seem to like it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:You tell me, if you really think the CSM has done a single good thing for EVE that is ok.
You are wrong So you think the skill queue is a thing of evil then. That's pretty odd, since most people seem to like it.
Skill queue REALLY? we asked for that **** back when the game releazed
guess what? it still sucks compared to what everyone wanted and I would eat my left sock if I believed that the CSM forced CCP to implement that.
I would eat my right sock if they did force CCP to do it and not the thousands of threads, polls on the matter and people telling the devs to their face on fanfest for years since launch, even in beta.
That would prove that CCP never listened to the community, only their friends.
Try better, your argument for CSM is the worst I have ever seen! |
FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:25:00 -
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Son IamaDerp wrote:I think NullSec Alliances better prepare for Hi-seccers pitching tents in their space protesting them. Always ready bro, come any day |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6359
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:27:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:Skill queue REALLY? we asked for that **** back when the game releazed GǪand yet, it didn't happen until the CSM came along to really nag CCP in person about the need for it.
Quote:I would eat my right sock if they did force CCP to do it and not the thousands of threads, polls on the matter and people telling the devs to their face on fanfest for years since launch, even in beta. The fact that thousands of threads, polls and people telling the devs to their faces had no effect would suggest that you'd better start heating up your sock-cooker by now. CCP didn't want it because they thought it would let people play offline more than they were comfortable with. As long as the devs held that view, the skill queue was as trivially easy for them to dismiss as any of the myriad other things that player made thousands of threads and polls about.
Skill queue being a result of the CSM convincing the CCP devs is pretty much an established fact. You can choose to ignore this fact, but that just makes you ignorant. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3615
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:27:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Given that the silent majority of the game...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_silence
In short, you assume that those who do not speak must agree with you. Yet you have provided no evidence other than their silence. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
167
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:32:00 -
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The Government and Lawyers/Court systems do this all the time; why should anyone else be any different?
Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
201
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:36:00 -
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a third of the eve population voted for CSM, I didn't including many others. How big portion of people playing eve are members in an alliance? Not me either!
Who visits fanfest and talk to devs and gm's daily?
whatever!
CCP needs to ask themselves if they are selling a game and service with equal product value or if full value only comes by kissing their rear ends.
I never hear about Blizzard having their nob polished and handing out free legendary gear as a result. It has happened in EVE twice, they even admitted to it. But I guess now it stopped happening? |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
201
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:40:00 -
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I did not make myself clear enough, you are a sucker, CSM did not and never has forced CCP to do anything, at best they humoring them. Or more like it, the CSM are humoring you |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6359
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Posted - 2012.05.03 06:43:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:I did not make myself clear enough Yes you did. You are ignorant and you are arguing against facts. It doesn't get any more clear than that.
You asked for something that the CSM brought to the game GÇö the skill queue is one such thing. Without their input, we'd still have CCP telling us that they want us to log in to change skills.
Just because you made up your mind what the answer must be doesn't change the fact that the answer isn't what you want it to be. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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