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Alestr Calmaine
The Exploration Company Ravensgaard
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:09:00 -
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I'm posting this here because it's an industry-related topic, that and because I have no idea what I'm doing.
I just wanted to ask a question: what would be the consequences of some sort of EVE-wide miners' strike? What would happen if every mining laser, everywhere, was switched off for say, six months or longer? Would anything happen? I read somewhere that CCP injects extra minerals into the market to balance out player-distribution, but if they didn't, if minerals only came from player-mining, what would be the effects on the EVE economy and gameplay in general? I suppose people could reprocess unwanted mods to get more minerals, but I think Inferno promises that NPCs won't carry T1 loot anymore, so that might dry up pretty fast. I think anyone could guess that mineral prices would increase, but I want to know how it would affect things like ship-production, corp-wars and the huge sov-wars out in 0.0 space. I know the big alliances have their own miners, but I'm just theorising here. I'm thinking that, if the strike goes on long enough, ships and mods might become precious commodities, if they can't be replaced so easily, and the effect that has on EVE in general could be significant. I don't know, I'm sure there are dozens of gameplay-related reasons why this wouldn't work. But if for a moment, it did work, what would the consequences be if the griefers got their wish of a miner-free EVE? Would it be a better EVE?
But, that's just my idea, because miners get a lot of grief (see what I did there?!) though they are what keeps the fires of war burning. And since Hulkageddon is on I've had nothing much to do until my corp logs on. |
Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:26:00 -
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What.
I don't hold with strike action. Just price your minerals higher and higher and higher for a few months, rather than just stopping mining.
Besides, it's only recent that mining IS the major source of minerals! Rogue drones and mission loot used to give obscene amounts in comparison. |
Andy DelGardo
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.03 12:34:00 -
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Mining = entry level ISK + human greed = someone will always mine no matter what :p |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:03:00 -
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Impossible to prevent scabbers unless you become what you are trying to combat (Suiside ganker chasing miners).
Griefers are actually a benefical force to miners in the long run. Like predators to a herd of prey, they weed out the slow, inattentive and stupid ones while the smart, swift and adaptable ones live and can continue mining. The net effect is that there are fewer minerals on the market due to the dumb miners losing their ships and mining capacity...which means more ISK/hour for the intelligent miners who do survive and bring their wares to market.
I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:04:00 -
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Oh, FFS, HTFU and stop thinking of anyone who does something you don't like as a "griefer".
It's insipid. You're playing a game where the rules allow - encourage, even - other players to do things that adversely affect you.
He shot at me! He's a griefer!
That guy undercut my market orders! Griefer!
That ******* put hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place! ******* griefer!
That aside, this has to be roughly the gajillionth time someone has come up with the "miners should go on strike!" plan as a result of Hulkageddon. You're welcome to do so, but the only result will be a thorough disabusing of your delusions of importance when the economy goes on without you. |
Nevryn Takis
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:44:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:That aside, this has to be roughly the gajillionth time someone has come up with the "miners should go on strike!" plan as a result of Hulkageddon. You're welcome to do so, but the only result will be a thorough disabusing of your delusions of importance when the economy goes on without you. A lot of the sensible ones are on strike ... sorry doing something more intelligent .. as to what happens .. exactly what will happen over the course of the next 6 weeks , mineral prices and hence ship prices will continue to sky-rocket, then they'll plateau and start to come down again, util the date for next years event is announced |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:51:00 -
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Nevryn Takis wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:That aside, this has to be roughly the gajillionth time someone has come up with the "miners should go on strike!" plan as a result of Hulkageddon. You're welcome to do so, but the only result will be a thorough disabusing of your delusions of importance when the economy goes on without you. A lot of the sensible ones are on strike ... sorry doing something more intelligent .. as to what happens .. exactly what will happen over the course of the next 6 weeks , mineral prices and hence ship prices will continue to sky-rocket, then they'll plateau and start to come down again, util the date for next years event is announced
Hulkageddon has historically had next-to-no effect on mineral prices. Mineral prices right now are up based on the removal of T1 module drops, the removal of alloys, the removal of Pax Amarria and, perhaps more than anything else, speculative hoarding.
They were up before Hulkageddon and have not gone up since it began. In fact, they have been coming down from the speculative price point in spite of Hulkageddon. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3039
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:17:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote:Nevryn Takis wrote:Haulie Berry wrote:That aside, this has to be roughly the gajillionth time someone has come up with the "miners should go on strike!" plan as a result of Hulkageddon. You're welcome to do so, but the only result will be a thorough disabusing of your delusions of importance when the economy goes on without you. A lot of the sensible ones are on strike ... sorry doing something more intelligent .. as to what happens .. exactly what will happen over the course of the next 6 weeks , mineral prices and hence ship prices will continue to sky-rocket, then they'll plateau and start to come down again, util the date for next years event is announced Hulkageddon has historically had next-to-no effect on mineral prices. Mineral prices right now are up based on the removal of T1 module drops, the removal of alloys, the removal of Pax Amarria and, perhaps more than anything else, speculative hoarding. They were up before Hulkageddon and have not gone up since it began. In fact, they have been coming down from the speculative price point in spite of Hulkageddon. they've been coming down because of burn jita fyi |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:28:00 -
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People realise that the only thing that will really rise in price because of Hulkagedon is Tech right? 80% of isk cost in hulk production is tech. Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components. |
India99
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:38:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote: Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components.
you forgot the Hulk BPO owners
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.03 18:53:00 -
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Joining the crusade to battle eco-terrorists who brutalize asteroids and litter the belts with their space junk containers is the best response. You're no daisy...you're no daisy at all! |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp.
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:35:00 -
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Good idea but people who don't mine for their primary isk/career would simply start mining once prices started to get high enough to be profitable. Remember that there are plenty of players who have alts, or have mining skills but never mine who would have no problem mining / selling minerals at the higher prices simply because the majority of career miners were on some type of strike.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
664
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Posted - 2012.05.03 20:28:00 -
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Everything good or bad that happens to you in EVE is because of your own actions, or inaction.
If you are being bothered by griefers, you are doing something, or not doing something, to allow them to grief you. |
Volar Kang
Quartz Research Strategic Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:13:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:they've been coming down because of burn jita fyi
Can you share the benefit of your wisdom and explain to us how blowing up a ton of ships and keeping people from the main trade hub have lowered prices? |
Haulie Berry
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:50:00 -
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Volar Kang wrote:Weaselior wrote:they've been coming down because of burn jita fyi Can you share the benefit of your wisdom and explain to us how blowing up a ton of ships and keeping people from the main trade hub have lowered prices?
Trade volumes were down for a day or two. Were. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:10:00 -
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Alestr Calmaine wrote:I'm posting this here because it's an industry-related topic, that and because I have no idea what I'm doing.
I just wanted to ask a question: what would be the consequences of some sort of EVE-wide miners' strike?
stopped reading right there. the consequences would be me and other people disregarding the strike and making a fortune. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:13:00 -
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Pinstar Colton wrote:IGriefers are actually a benefical force to miners in the long run. Like predators to a herd of prey, they weed out the slow, inattentive and stupid ones while the smart, swift and adaptable ones live and can continue mining. and... reproduce? |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:58:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Pinstar Colton wrote:IGriefers are actually a benefical force to miners in the long run. Like predators to a herd of prey, they weed out the slow, inattentive and stupid ones while the smart, swift and adaptable ones live and can continue mining. and... reproduce?
Well you see when a miner, heavily laden with ore, comes to market and finds a suitable buy order, they couple and produce millions of tiny ISK. It's a beautiful sight to behold. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
137
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:22:00 -
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You would have a better chance of success herding cats than organising the miners of EvE. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
273
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:41:00 -
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I mined through the first four hulkegeddons and still have the same ship. This one had been a constant concern for months now. I never get this whole fear of mining in high sec thing. Now that ive moved back to null, it's all even more silly to me.
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
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blood hauler
The Art of War
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:14:00 -
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You could all ways mine in a tier 3 bs with 8 mining lasers, not going to pull in as much but you at least have more slots to tank with. |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
17
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:15:00 -
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Alestr Calmaine wrote:I'm posting this here because it's an industry-related topic, that and because I have no idea what I'm doing.
I just wanted to ask a question: what would be the consequences of some sort of EVE-wide miners' strike? What would happen if every mining laser, everywhere, was switched off for say, six months or longer? Would anything happen? I read somewhere that CCP injects extra minerals into the market to balance out player-distribution, but if they didn't, if minerals only came from player-mining, what would be the effects on the EVE economy and gameplay in general? I suppose people could reprocess unwanted mods to get more minerals, but I think Inferno promises that NPCs won't carry T1 loot anymore, so that might dry up pretty fast. I think anyone could guess that mineral prices would increase, but I want to know how it would affect things like ship-production, corp-wars and the huge sov-wars out in 0.0 space. I know the big alliances have their own miners, but I'm just theorising here. I'm thinking that, if the strike goes on long enough, ships and mods might become precious commodities, if they can't be replaced so easily, and the effect that has on EVE in general could be significant. I don't know, I'm sure there are dozens of gameplay-related reasons why this wouldn't work. But if for a moment, it did work, what would the consequences be if the griefers got their wish of a miner-free EVE? Would it be a better EVE?
But, that's just my idea, because miners get a lot of grief (see what I did there?!) though they are what keeps the fires of war burning. And since Hulkageddon is on I've had nothing much to do until my corp logs on.
And while you're waiting, do a few missions. Sure, it doesn't make you as much, but at least you're gaining loyalty points and such.
As for the strike, hell, not so much not mining, more like not selling them and causing a shortage of minerals in general. The issue is getting enough people on board to go along with the plan. Some folks are going to want to still make money and will bypass the strike.
In order for any strike to work, you'd need, at rough guess, approximately 60% to 70% to participate (please note I pulled these numbers completely out my arse, but it's just my guess). |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
17
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:34:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Joining the crusade to battle eco-terrorists who brutalize asteroids and litter the belts with their space junk containers is the best response.
Really? I'm an eco-terroist? Cool! Better that than a hemp smoking, smelly old hippy I suppose. |
Boomhaur
38
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Posted - 2012.05.06 02:23:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:No More Heroes wrote:Joining the crusade to battle eco-terrorists who brutalize asteroids and litter the belts with their space junk containers is the best response. Really? I'm an eco-terroist? Cool! Better that than a hemp smoking, smelly old hippy I suppose.
Really most eco-terrorists in eve fly a hulk who never leave their pod so I bet you smell worse than an smelly old hippy. At least those pirates have the decency to get a fresh clone every now and than. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:41:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:People realise that the only thing that will really rise in price because of Hulkagedon is Tech right? 80% of isk cost in hulk production is tech. Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components.
Must be why GoonSwarm is sponsoring it huh?
I think miners should just cut out the middleman (the gankers) and just hand their ISK straight over to GSF. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
594
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Posted - 2012.05.06 07:33:00 -
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Jacob Staffuer wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:People realise that the only thing that will really rise in price because of Hulkagedon is Tech right? 80% of isk cost in hulk production is tech. Hulkagedons isk losers are roid/ice miners and gankers in high sec. The winners are tech moon goo miners, hulk and destroyer builders and their components. Must be why GoonSwarm is sponsoring it huh? I think miners should just cut out the middleman (the gankers) and just hand their ISK straight over to GSF. Technically I think the middlemen are your good friends, the industrialists that buy tech from the cartel and sell you hulks at high prices.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Janet Hope
Circus Of Flying Lion
1
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Posted - 2012.05.06 08:16:00 -
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Personally it would be interesting to see all miners go for strike in responde to hulkkageddon terrorism. Would certainly make headlines for eve again. " Miners on strike in responce to concords failure to protect them from terrorist attacks"...
Most funny thing about suicide gankers is, they blame the victim, just like real terrorist blames their victims.
Personally i would like see goverments(amarr, caldari, etc...) and concord in eve to beef up their activities to protect miners. Atleast they should issue warnings when mining ship gets blown up by act of terrorism. If not harsher punishments for those that are quilty. |
Flump
Renegade Traders
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:13:00 -
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what would be better if every miner put in to pay some corp to spend their time taking out the griefers, strike would be good but as someone said not enough people would do it and problem with my idea is that to many areas uless everyone went to couple areas, i know for one if i was going to bother i would rather pay some corp who took them out than pay some muppet whose doing it in first place not to when you would have no guarantee they didnt do it anyway.
the police side of eve is joke, they cruise around gates but do squat in any other area most of the time its why lamers do things like hulkageddon they lose few cheap ships and thats all that happens, if the ratings went down(on all chars on the account) by more for people attacking ships not part of corp war it might not be so bad |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:06:00 -
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You guys should try this strike, it'd be pretty interesting.
I mean, you won't, but it would be amusing if it happened. |
MKB Industries
Mercenaries 4 Hire
6
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Posted - 2012.05.07 05:50:00 -
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Haulie Berry wrote: That ******* put hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place! ******* griefer! .
lol +1 and WTF when did we play Monopoly together? Faction stuff store Researched BPO store |
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