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Nova Satar
Minmatar Annihilate. Shock Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:24:00 -
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Quote: "In simpler terms, social conditioning is something that homogenizes a large amount of people into a certain distinctive mold; for example, people who style/dress in nearly identical ways can be seen as products of social conditioning. Another example is this seemingly intangible expectation/pressure for people to look certain ways, buy certain things, behave certain ways in order to appeal to other people. If people believe they need to do those things in order to be adequate, it may also be considered as a certain level of social conditioning."
All you have to do is read the forums to see how massively this relates to Goonswarn as an entity.
The question is, what sort of people are so easily socially conditioned?
Is it generally more immature people, not in a haha funny way, but a more... ******ed way?
Or does it simply attract those who are most in-secure about themselves? E.G "The Internet-Hard-Man, AKA Nerd.
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James Duar
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:46:00 -
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It's funny how I read the quote and immediately assumed you were going to be talking about the Kenny posting brigade circle jerk.
People really don't remember what the forums were like 2 years ago.
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Desiderata Fabian
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:52:00 -
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You don't understand the concept of social conditioning at all do you?
This is quite sad, I am sad for you Nova Satar.
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Cosmar
Gallente The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:54:00 -
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Goons are sheeple..
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Sun Ra
Minmatar The Royal Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar It's funny how I read the quote and immediately assumed you were going to be talking about the Kenny posting brigade circle jerk.
People really don't remember what the forums were like 2 years ago.
LOL right and goons circle jerking is better? not only are you guys unfunny theres 1000x more of you unfunny men
Admit it you cry in your mothers basements everynight at the fact you just cant circle jerk each other off as well as kenny did
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Jon Lucien
Minmatar SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra LOL right and goons circle jerking is better? not only are you guys unfunny theres 1000x more of you unfunny men
Current Kenzoku membership: 2650 2650 x 1000 = 2,650,000 potential Goonswarm circle-jerk participants.
Current Goonswarm membership: 6005 2,650,000 - 6005 = 2,643,995 failures in math.
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Schplit
Minmatar Klamar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Satar
Quote: "In simpler terms, social conditioning is something that homogenizes a large amount of people into a certain distinctive mold; for example, people who style/dress in nearly identical ways can be seen as products of social conditioning. Another example is this seemingly intangible expectation/pressure for people to look certain ways, buy certain things, behave certain ways in order to appeal to other people. If people believe they need to do those things in order to be adequate, it may also be considered as a certain level of social conditioning."
All you have to do is read the forums to see how massively this relates to Goonswarn as an entity.
The question is, what sort of people are so easily socially conditioned?
Is it generally more immature people, not in a haha funny way, but a more... ******ed way?
Or does it simply attract those who are most in-secure about themselves? E.G "The Internet-Hard-Man, AKA Nerd.
Excuse me, but you've got it all wrong. As a sociologist, I can tell you that it's not about how *easily* one gets socially conditioned. No matter what, you'll be socially conditioned and there is nothing to do about it, unless you are willing to live your entire life in a shelter with noone. People usually feel good about thinking how original they are, that they are not *conformists*. But even them are so socially conditioned that they look silly to me.
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Nova Satar
Minmatar Annihilate. Shock Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:25:00 -
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Im not claiming i've got it right. Do you know what a 'QUESTION MARK' means?
The reason that made me think this, was after reading the thread of the GOTH alliance who sadly lost their CEO as he passed away.
As you go down to list of repleis and condoloncies, EVERY SINGLE post that has been "removed for innappropriate content" was made by a goonswarm member.
They must be putting aside any of their inner morals, just to keep up appearences infront of their alliance members, it's pathetic, and im trying to understand it.......
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Schplit
Minmatar Klamar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Satar Im not claiming i've got it right. Do you know what a 'QUESTION MARK' means?
The reason that made me think this, was after reading the thread of the GOTH alliance who sadly lost their CEO as he passed away.
As you go down to list of repleis and condoloncies, EVERY SINGLE post that has been "removed for innappropriate content" was made by a goonswarm member.
They must be putting aside any of their inner morals, just to keep up appearences infront of their alliance members, it's pathetic, and im trying to understand it.......
Then don't go on wiki searching for something you don't understand as a way to explain what you don't get. Some people enjoy other's pain. Bear with it.
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Nova Satar
Minmatar Annihilate. Shock Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:31:00 -
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for someone claming to be a sociologist you're awefully dumb, perhaps try a proper job.
I'm asking a question, not trying to dictate something. What you're supposed to do is answer the question, not claim the question is wrong.
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Schplit
Minmatar Klamar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Satar for someone claming to be a sociologist you're awefully dumb, perhaps try a proper job.
I'm asking a question, not trying to dictate something. What you're supposed to do is answer the question, not claim the question is wrong.
whatever makes you feel smarter. discussion ends here for me.
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Desiderata Fabian
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.10 15:02:00 -
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You do not understand the concept of social conditioning. We are all socially conditioned to accept the mores of our respective societies, you, me, everyone.
If Goons were "easily socially conditioned", a pretty odd term, we would have joined the game, accepted all of the eve communities social standards and completely blended in and not be the distinct social group you see us as today.
In conclusion goons are socially awkward sure, but what the hell is wrong with you? You are copy and pasting random bits of wiki you don't understand onto an internet space forum in the hope of insulting people. Damn if you had clicked on an different wiki page would you have called us RBMK reactors?
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Marcus Riegn
Minmatar Blue Team
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: James Duar It's funny how I read the quote and immediately assumed you were going to be talking about the Kenny posting brigade circle jerk.
People really don't remember what the forums were like 2 years ago.
LOL right and goons circle jerking is better? not only are you guys unfunny theres 1000x more of you unfunny men
Admit it you cry in your mothers basements everynight at the fact you just cant circle jerk each other off as well as kenny did
at least they're sort of amusing, bob/kenny/bob.r/kenny have always been kinda sad...
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Yourbane
Minmatar Geb's Call Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Riegn
Originally by: Sun Ra
Originally by: James Duar It's funny how I read the quote and immediately assumed you were going to be talking about the Kenny posting brigade circle jerk.
People really don't remember what the forums were like 2 years ago.
LOL right and goons circle jerking is better? not only are you guys unfunny theres 1000x more of you unfunny men
Admit it you cry in your mothers basements everynight at the fact you just cant circle jerk each other off as well as kenny did
at least they're sort of amusing, bob/kenny/bob.r/kenny have always been kinda sad...
LoL ./. Circlejerker alt spotted ... No, seriously, nobody finds goons amusing anymore, the velator fleet was nice, some of the past **** was really funny (when they were the underdog for a lil while for example) ... but the current forum situation is only entertaining for sociologists (real ones, not you) and masochists . And of course, the people not reading it, as they don't even have to regret that.
Social conditioning is the cement of any society, however there are levels of social conditioning which have different purposes : Little example here of a trivial one :
Being able to talk instead of hit/kill -> politeness, "conformist" interaction pattern enabling people to actually understand each other (a little bit)
That type of social conditioning is 100% required and valid (unless you like blood, of course), however most of the social conditioning is devoted to other goals, and is even engineered, studied and applied to reach these goals (e.g.: submission, consumerism and many other ones that do not imply any gain for the socially conditioned person.).
Also, sorry for again bringing a bit of sense to this forum, I know it's most unappreciated and that I'm trashing the fun of some but hey ...
Troll On, never stop posting, whatever ..
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penifSMASH
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:55:00 -
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As a theoretical physicist with a double PhD in Sociology and Biomechanical Engineering, you're all idiots and I crush your tiny heads with my intellect.
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Kola XXX
Caldari Lush Blue Garden
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Posted - 2009.04.10 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar It's funny how I read the quote and immediately assumed you were going to be talking about the Kenny posting brigade circle jerk.
People really don't remember what the forums were like 2 years ago.
I see this quote come from goons often. You bash bob about forum circlejerks but it's all you do here. Become what you hate much ?
Furthermore, look back to the ascn war period, you got 1 Molle post every sunday and fire 59 and a few other {dice guys} would spam forums about crap. 2 people making a few threads per week is nothing like goons today. Your attack on Molles latest post is justified as it did end up badly timed, so imagine if he had said you were all leaving to another game like pirates of the burning sea or so. You would have a million threads on that and nobody would blame you cuz it's funneh, your threads and constant attacks are not funny though, sad and bitter only. Why so bitter, you have won right, crushed the enemy and all that ?
War update: I have killed many goons and friends now going into the 4th week of war from empire to delve and LBG has yet to lose a ship to goons despite your efforts( and there has been efforts). Maybe i'm wrong and you should stick to making threads.
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Cindy McCain
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmar Goons are sheeple..
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Webb Mordock
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:58:00 -
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this thread is pretty deep let me guess intro psych?
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:06:00 -
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goonswarm think they are funny/zany/whatever
they're not
they lack intelligence, wit, originality, and tend to use copy-paste memes - the fact they have a collective e-identity based around a forum you pay money to post on is just hilarious... its like a really bad joke gone wrong, and an example of the collective stupidity of the human race, all rolled into one tragic package
anyway pretty much the entire playerbase including most of their blues are utterly sick of them, they shouldnt get too comfortable in delve
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Desiderata Fabian
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog goonswarm... its like a really bad joke gone wrong, and an example of the collective stupidity of the human race, all rolled into one tragic package
That's my boys. :patriot:
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Microsoft Sam
Caldari The Nexus Project
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Posted - 2009.04.11 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar People really don't remember what the forums were like 2 years ago.
They were readable, and you could read a thread and not see 400 people being muted by ISD for ******ation.
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Shardrael
Caldari Titan Industries Technology Team Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.04.11 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog goonswarm think they are funny/zany/whatever
they're not
they lack intelligence, wit, originality, and tend to use copy-paste memes - the fact they have a collective e-identity based around a forum you pay money to post on is just hilarious... its like a really bad joke gone wrong, and an example of the collective stupidity of the human race, all rolled into one tragic package
anyway pretty much the entire playerbase including most of their blues are utterly sick of them, they shouldnt get too comfortable in delve
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Identity Hidden
Amarr Advanced Logistics Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 06:37:00 -
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In society we do it to survive In video games we do it because we are weak minded
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.11 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog the fact they have a collective e-identity based around a forum you pay money to post on is just hilarious
Our enemies also have a collective e-identity based around a forum they pay to post on. We call this EVE-O. Our identity only cost us a one time fee of $10, while our vicious space foes have to cough up $15+ a month to maintain their sense of unity (or they lose it).
Quote: its like a really bad joke gone wrong, and an example of the collective stupidity of the human race, all rolled into one tragic package
Sure, paint us with a broad stroke based upon actions in a video game and video game forum. Just because this is a game with a monthly fee doesn't make it more serious, or reflective on our offline behavior, then shooting the hell out of people in Quake, Unreal Tournament or TF2.
It's a game, and the amount of rage you direct at our antics is equally amusing and saddening.
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.11 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Identity Hidden In video games we do it because we are weak minded
This is a statement only someone who has never topped a leaderboard would make.
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Two Knives
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.11 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: Identity Hidden In video games we do it because we are weak minded
This is a statement only someone who has never topped a leaderboard would make.
i may be terrible at eve but at least i have my honor!
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Emrod
Amarr Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.11 09:29:00 -
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Wikipedia is the main reason why the public school system all around north america is falling appart.
Ok....and because our government prefer us more dumb too.
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Neyem Praetorius
Amarr Phalanx Security Service Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 09:34:00 -
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If goons were abnormally prone to social conditioning (read: extra-conformist), they would fit in with other alliances.
Instead, they are possibly the best known alliance in the game because they have a reputation for being psychopaths whose goal is to make everybody hate them.
So, first things first, your assertion that the quote pertains to goonswarm is incorrect.
As for the actual question, I highly doubt that anybody has done a study of this; consequently, you will never get a reliable answer.
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Warrio
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.04.11 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Warrio on 11/04/2009 11:24:21 I too can copy paste things straight from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conditioning
LOOK!! I'm an expert in "The HerschelûBulkley fluid", whatever that is.
Quote: "The HerschelûBulkley fluid is a generalized model of a Non-Newtonian fluid, in which the stress experienced by the fluid is related to the strain in a complicated, non-linear way. Three parameters characterize this relationship: the consistency k, the flow index n, and the yield shear stress τ0."
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Nova Satar
Minmatar Annihilate. Shock Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.11 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Warrio Edited by: Warrio on 11/04/2009 11:24:21 I too can copy paste things straight from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conditioning
LOOK!! I'm an expert in "The HerschelûBulkley fluid", whatever that is.
Get a brain you ****. Nobody is claiming to be an expert, whjere does it say that? I amde it quite clear it was a QUOTE hence the tags saying QUOTE
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